DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on October 03, 2012, 02:22:24 PM
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In the face of Romney having publically cited the need to remove subsidies to the likes of PBS, when the question of fiscal responsibility and steps his government should be taking in reigning in spending, was posed, can the host of a PBS show, who's already had a left leaning bias in previous moderations be even remotely fair, this go around?
And have you noticed how the left is doing the polar opposite to Bush/Gore? Back then, most of the left thought Gore would wipe Bush off the floor in the debates. Laughingly not so. Now, they're putting the bar so low that Obama could fall over it, and be proclaimed a winner in these debates, citing how this extrememly smart man & "professor" has had little time to prepare, while Romney has supposedly been eating, sleeping, drinking debate prep....since '97
Looking forward to this evening's main event
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SIRS....what I wanna know is why the hell did Romney agree to all the debates being moderated by people from a left point of view? Why do they always get to stack the deck? Are they that insecure about their positions?
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EXCELLENT question. When's the last time we saw someone like Brit Hume or even Chris Wallace moderate a presidential debate?
Here's a general question.....who amomg the "MSM" would be considered balanced & fair? Not from their ability, but by their very nature
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Lehrer has done an excellent job in the past, and will do a good job tonight, I am sure.
PBS and NPR do a far, far better job of presenting the news in more detail than any of the commercial stations. The BBC is the only alternative that even comes close.
PBS and NPR are closest of all to being fair and unbiased, and they also give the news in far more detail.
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Lehrer has done an excellent job in the past, and will do a good job tonight, I am sure.
so that's the Left's idea of "fair"
one "fair"....the rest left leaning
yeah boss dats it
btw: Jim Lehrer works for PBS which Romney wants to cut.
I am sure Lehrer will throw some love on the guy wanting to cut his network
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Lehrer has done an excellent job in the past, and will do a good job tonight, I am sure.
Yea...sure
Back in 2000, Lehrer moderated all three presidential debates. In the third one, a town hall debate, Lehrer approved mostly liberal questions from the “uncommitted” audience. Eight questions came from the left, only two could be counted as conservative, and five were requests for information without an ideological tone.
One questioner asked: “Would you be open to the ideal of a national health care plan for everybody?” Another poked George W. Bush: “You seemed to overly enjoy, as a matter of fact proud that Texas...led the nation in execution of prisoners. Sir, did I misread your response, and are you really, really proud of the fact that Texas is number one in executions?”
Even Saturday Night Live satirized the bias of the “uncommitted” questioners in 2000. But they were selected by Lehrer. The responsibility for balance was his.
In 2004, Lehrer moderated the first George Bush-John Kerry debate, devoted to foreign policy matters. He pressed Bush: “President Putin and Russia. Did you misjudge him?...Do you feel that what he is doing in the name of anti-terrorism by changing some democratic processes is okay?” He asked Bush to get personal: “Are there also underlying character issues that you believe, that you believe are serious enough to deny Senator Kerry the job as commander in chief of the United States?” Bush protested: “That's a loaded question.”
Lehrer didn’t ask Kerry about his mixed votes and messages on Iraq (which Bush harped on), or about the Swift Boat veteran charges, or about his claiming before the Senate in 1971 that U.S. soldiers slaughtered and tortured Vietnamese civilians and their cows and dog
Yea, that's "fair and unbiased".........to the lunatic left
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Valid questions all. Each and every one of them.
Leherer RULES!
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LOL....priceless. Thanks for reinforcing my point, xo
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SIRS.....did you notice Jim Lehrer seemed like several times was seemingly trying to help Obama explain himself.
Is that the job of a debate moderator? Help one candidate explain his points?
Obama off-teleprompter is not the same person....not even close.
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SIRS.....did you notice Jim Lehrer seemed like several times was seemingly trying to help Obama explain himself.
LOL.....yep. Because, of course that's what a moderator is supposed to do...help one of the candidates "clarify" himself.
And it was pretty apparent that Romney didn't need any help from Lehrer
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Post Debate Comments:
Democrat Jim Carville: "It's obvious the President didn't bring his A-game tonight"
CNN Anderson Cooper: "Don't ya think President Obama looked listless out there tonight"
Liberal Chris Matthews: "I don't know what he was doing out there. He had his head down,
he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it. Romney, on the other hand, came in with a campaign."
Liberal Michael Moore: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry as your debate coach"
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Jim Lehrer just barely had controll of this ride.
Both canadates spoke over him.
I think Romney wins on points and presented as more confident , more in command of the facts, seemed to be the one that understood the questions.
I may be a bit biased , but I really thought the President got left behind by Romney , the Presidents best efforts seemed like spin.
Did anyone elese catch the President admitting that he made major cuts to Medicare? As he put it , the government is making sure that there will be no overcharges. Doesn't this just mean that the providers are handed smaller payment, like it or lump it?
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Did anyone elese catch the President admitting that he made major cuts to Medicare? As he put it , the government is making sure that there will be no overcharges. Doesn't this just mean that the providers are handed smaller payment, like it or lump it?
Precisely.......and Romney not only repeatedly beat Obama over the head with it, but Obama had absolutely no rebuttal
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Romney chattered on and on, throwing in meaningless figures from time to time. yammering about how somehow Obama was misinterpreting his nonexistent plans. He was nervous as hell and annoying to boot.
Leherer made more sense than either Romney or Obama.
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Romney chattered on and on, throwing in meaningless figures from time to time. yammering about how somehow Obama was misinterpreting his nonexistent plans.
Apparently made so little sense, he was the hands down winner, as proclaimed by even by the likes of those at MSNBHeeHaa. Boy your coolaide must be REALLY tasty
He was nervous as hell and annoying to boot.
You noticed that in Obama as well. Wow, impressive. He sure looked like he wanted to be any place else, but there fighting to remain President. Maybe he was imagining his last round of golf on Hawaii
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Romney chattered on and on, throwing in meaningless figures from time to time. yammering about how somehow Obama was misinterpreting his nonexistent plans. He was nervous as hell and annoying to boot.
Leherer made more sense than either Romney or Obama.
All figures are meaningless unless you understand them.
I am struck at how minutely the event is being examined, someone with a stopwatch actually discovered that President Obama spent more time speaking than Govenor Romney did.
The talking heads are wondering why BHO did not bring up Romneys latest gaffe, or in any other way demonstrated that he had done his homework.
Did you hear of Al Gores explanation?
The barometric pressure favored Romney .
I am heartily in agreement with the barometric pressure.
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Romney refused to say what deductions and loopholes he was going to remove. He did not mention a single one.
All he did was prattle on and on about how President Obama did not understand his "plans". He sounded just like some little kid trying to explain how he managed to set the house on fire, wrecked the car and killed the cat in a couple of hours: that was the tone he spoke with: agitated, illogical and entirely unconvincing.
The Ryan/Romney plan will NOT solve the deficit problem, will make people less healthy, is quite unlikely to create any jobs.
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Romney refused to say what deductions and loopholes he was going to remove. He did not mention a single one.
All he did was prattle on and on about how President Obama did not understand his "plans". He sounded just like some little kid trying to explain how he managed to set the house on fire, wrecked the car and killed the cat in a couple of hours: that was the tone he spoke with: agitated, illogical and entirely unconvincing.
The Ryan/Romney plan will NOT solve the deficit problem, will make people less healthy, is quite unlikely to create any jobs.
We don't know which loopholes Obama plans to keep either.
That was the very thing I liked so much about (9-9-9) , the answer to that question was comprehensible.
Romney started out a few months ago being far too specific, his fifty seven point plan was impossible to make a bumper sticker of. Recently Romney condensed his plan to five more general points, shortly afterwards President Obama issued his five point plan. I note that the first four points in each of these are the same.
Have you ever heard the one about the Kids who got diffrent grades for the same answers on a test?
The teacher had to explain it to them.
"Well Billy" says the teacher" I think you coppyed Sams answers ."
"Nya uh" says Billy"How come you think that?"
"Well Billy"said the teacher," Here on question eight where Sam wrote "I don't know " Your answer was "I don't know either".
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He sounded just like some little kid trying to explain how he managed to set the house on fire, wrecked the car and killed the cat in a couple of hours: that was the tone he spoke with: agitated, illogical and entirely unconvincing.
Yep, that sums up Obama's performance, quite nicely, as he sets the country on economic fire, in a manner of just a few years. Then again, its kinda hard to defend a record that's pretty much indefensible
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What is this sirs, the "I know what you are but what am I" defense, straight from PeeWee Herman's playbook?
You are a pathetic imbecile.
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PBS has done more for education in this country than any other single government program, from Sesame Street and Dinosaur Train to the Ken Burns documentaries.
All for less than the cost of one Blue Angels plane and its maintenance. It was monumentally stupid for the Mittwitt to take on Big Bird.
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What is this sirs, the "I know what you are but what am I" defense, straight from PeeWee Herman's playbook?
You are a pathetic imbecile.
Xo and his status quo "debate". Ignore the issue, refuse to support any asanine claim/accusation made, throw mud, & pray something sticks.....which never does
Hope it made you feel better though
And here's a news flash...Romney wasn't up on stage trying to fire 1% Big Bird. He merely said its time the Bird stop living off the taxpayer's dime. That's not the Government's function
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it would not surprise me if Obama was on something
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Looks like the problem has been resolved. CU, my yahoo email has a 2 after my name. sorry it took so long to get back to you.
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He merely said its time the Bird stop living off the taxpayer's dime. That's not the Government's function
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Teaching millions of children how to read is infinitely more important to this country than a whizbang aerobatics team. And we have TWO of them: the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels.
Romney is full of CRAP on this, and so, of course, are you.
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He merely said its time the Bird stop living off the taxpayer's dime. That's not the Government's function
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Teaching millions of children how to read is infinitely more important to this country
sure....at the STATE level
...than a whizbang aerobatics team. And we have TWO of them: the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels.
Which helps improve military efficiency, performance, PR, and recruiting, and consitutionally DOES fit the pervue of the FEDERAL Government
Romney is full of CRAP on this, and so, of course, are you.
Oooo, that was intelligent. So, based on the fact of how wrong you are, nearly every time your throw out such ludicrous opinions, I guess its safe to assume pretty much the opposite.
Or, we can apply Xo's "debating ability"......Obama is full of AMBE on this, and so, of course, are you.
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RNC Web Ad: "Smirk" (Official Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMUHcgsbag#ws)
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Looks like the problem has been resolved. CU, my yahoo email has a 2 after my name. sorry it took so long to get back to you.
Thanks BT.
I was still having some problems this morning even after I posted the YouTube and you made the above comment.
It's odd because it would allow me to post "Test" but nothing else and I saw others posting just fine.
It seems better now....we'll see.
And I will update your yahoo e-mail address.
Thanks again.
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Unlike the presidential nominees, Bt is nearly always on his game 8)
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He merely said its time the Bird stop living off the taxpayer's dime. That's not the Government's function
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Teaching millions of children how to read is infinitely more important to this country than a whizbang aerobatics team. And we have TWO of them: the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels.
Romney is full of CRAP on this, and so, of course, are you.
So ....
Did a blue angel kick you in the shin or something?
They are not very expensive at all, if you consider that the equipment and personell are already on our payroll, and the small extra expense they do represent is entirely worth it for the encouragement of excellence.
Big Bird can probly pull his own weight , Seseme Street is execlent enough to make its own budget, and so why should it not? Then Big
Bird can pay taxes like any other millionaire.
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He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.
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He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.
He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.
He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pre-tended Offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.
He is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized Nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.
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Nor have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
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WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature?s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.
He has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.
He has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.
He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.
He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pre-tended Offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.
He is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized Nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.
Nor have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our fortunes, and our sacred Honor.