DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on November 09, 2014, 10:32:16 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/two-midterm-elections-have-hollowed-out-the-democratic-party/2014/11/08/0366c60a-66c9-11e4-9fdc-d43b053ecb4d_story.html
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Largely silly.
The Democrats will not have a bloodbath in the primaries, since Hillary is a capable and well-like candidate.
The Republicans will have another parade of clown, each one trying harder than the next to convince the hardcore baggers and neokluxers that have infested the GOP, and the more wishy washy types like Jebbie supported by the Kochs and the National Chamber of Commerce.
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The Democrats will not have a bloodbath in the primaries, since Hillary is a capable and well-like candidate.
I disagree with two points there.
As Secretary of State Hillary was a placemarker , demonstrated no particular ability .
As first Lady she was treacherous to the staff, preferring to ruin with lies persons she had a right to just fire and replace.
As the instigator of a Health Care Plan she could not overcome the resistance of a Democratically controlled House nor Democratically controlled Senate.
Interviews catch her in silly lies as often as they don't , and in recent speeches she displays a woeful misunderstanding of very basic economics.
Given a choice between a president Obama and a President Hillary Clinton, I would definitely choose President Obama.
Given a choice between a president Satan and a President Hillary Clinton, I would definitely be very conflicted.
But I need to stop now , before I need a pill.
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At present I would give Hillary an 8 to 1 chance of being our next President.
I can conceive of NO Republican I would prefer over here.
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LOL...as if you'd prefer any ;D
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Why should I?
I detest what the GOP has come to stand for.
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Why should I?
I detest what the GOP has come to stand for.
Because the Democratic party planners know about your attitude, and being sure that it is safe to take you for granted , they don't need to do anything for you.
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Why should I?
Never said you should. Except its you that will frequently reference that someone like myself would never vote for a specific Democrat, when someone like myself is simply criticizing them. I detest what the Dems have mutated into, and worse, what they're trying to do to this country, with this ends justifying the means crap, exemplified by Mr Gruber
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Why should I?
I detest what the GOP has come to stand for.
If what has often been claimed about it were true no one would like the GOP.
Fortunately the GOP is not even half so bad as it is painted , perhaps it is even a shade less dirty than the painters.
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The "Democratic Planners" do not know anything about me, other than I am a registered Democrat.
They also know that I can vote for their candidates, vote for someone else or stay home.
You logic is silly. I bet that the Republican Party knows very well that Archer Daniels Midland is against labeling GMO food and favors Republicans and that this has a huge influence on how Republican congresspeople vote.
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No more than Soros, Steiner, Bloomberg, and most of Hollywood command leftist congresscritters to jump at their beck & call & vote
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The difference is that Soros et al is not trying to prevent people from getting healthcare or the corporations to own the government and run the country like their own plantations.
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The difference is Koch's et all, aren't trying to mandate everyone's fricken behavior and health habits, using other people's money to do it
And news flash....NO ONE IS PREVENTING ANYONE FROM OBTAINING HEALTHCARE. The issue was always about those with pre-existing conditions. But instead of focusing only on that, the Dems LIED THRU THEIR TEETH, to sell us Obamacare on fraud after fraud after fraudulant promise, completely screwing a healthcare system that an overwhelming majoirty of the population liked, and wanted to keep
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Saying no one is preventingAmericans from getting health care is like saying that no one is preventing them from driving Ferraris.
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Heathcare isn't a Ferrari. It's a car, in your anaolgy. No one is preventing anyone from driving a car
The issue was always about those with pre-existing conditions. But instead of focusing only on that, the Dems LIED THRU THEIR TEETH, to sell us Obamacare with fraud after fraud after fraudulant promise, completely screwing a healthcare system that an overwhelming majority of the population liked, and wanted to keep
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Saying no one is preventingAmericans from getting health care is like saying that no one is preventing them from driving Ferraris.
So President Obama got re-elected because he kept on promising that Ferrari to everyone.
Might as well be literal, what he promised is as likely to be given to everyone as a Ferrari.
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The price of health care was formerly determined by the insurance companies,and many could not afford it, and many were unable to buy it at any price because of preexisting conditions. Everyone does not drive Ferraris because they cost too much. The same was true of health insurance. Medicine is not a product in which the price is driven by the market. Some hospitals charge four or five times as much for the same procedure. The patient cannot negotiate the price of such things and this must be done by the insurance companies.
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The forces of market are universal, they are not absent even when there is a lot of complexity hanging on and government manipulation.
The cost of health care is not reduced by shifting the cost , and the availability of healthcare is not increased by the Affordable health care act.
It is merely another Robin hood idea for robbing Peter to pay Paul getting Paul's support and Peters ire.
If the government makes hospitals less profitable and becoming a Doctor less remunerative the market force will grind down the availability as fewer Hospitals get built and fewer bright young become physicians .
There may be a time lag, but I don't expect a long one.
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No one liked the idea that you could be denied insurance for previous conditions. No one liked the prospect of losing everything and being bankrupted for trying to stay alive.
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That said, you don't destroy a system that worked for the vast majority of the country, and that they liked, to help a mere fraction. You focus on that problem alone........IF THAT WAS THE GOAL. Which it never was of course
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No one liked the idea that you could be denied insurance for previous conditions. No one liked the prospect of losing everything and being bankrupted for trying to stay alive.
This is two good points.
The denial of coverage for previously existing conditions is a good thing to change , and the change it needs could be written on a single sheet of paper and passed into law.
I don't like the idea that we will all be bankrupted because some of us are trying to stay alive.
Insurance coverage could be improved , but the needed changes are not nearly so complex as the AHCA.
Each of the features that people like about Obamacare could be passed as stand alone bills of great , laudable simplicity.
Leaving about 850 useless pages unsullied.
And the parts that people do not like , perhaps they do not like for good reason.
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No one liked the idea that you could be denied insurance for previous conditions. No one liked the prospect of losing everything and being bankrupted for trying to stay alive.
The denial of coverage for previously existing conditions is a good thing to change , and the change it needs could be written on a single sheet of paper and passed into law.
EXACTLY!! Not 2000, not 200, maybe 2 pages
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No, all that would have done would have resulted in hundreds of lawsuits by the insurance companies.
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Oh yes, like making it very complex helps keep it from the courts.
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No, all that would have done would have resulted in hundreds of lawsuits by the insurance companies.
That makes no sense. The clearer and more concise the language, the harder anyone could sue anyone. The more elaborate and "tortuous" the language, the harder it is for the people to sue anyone, since the defendant can claim anything they want, not to mention how much easier it is to fool not just the people, but Federal agencies like the CBO. 2 pages is all that was needed as it relates to the supposed premise of Obamacare