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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on August 03, 2015, 06:00:16 PM

Title: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 03, 2015, 06:00:16 PM
Patrick Stewart.

Stewart's politics are rooted in his belief in fairness and equality.[8] He considers himself a socialist and is a member of the Labour Party.[70][71][18] He stated, "My father was a very strong trade unionist and those fundamental issues of Labour were ingrained into me."[70] He has been critical of the Iraq War and UK government legislation in the area of civil liberties, in particular its plans to extend detention without charge to 42 days. He signed an open letter of objection to this proposal in March 2008.[72] Stewart is a distinguished supporter of the British Humanist Association.[73] He also identifies himself as a feminist,[74] and has been a part of campaigns against domestic violence. [75] Additionally, he has publicly advocated the right to assisted suicide.[76] In January 2011, Stewart became a patron for Dignity in Dying and campaigns for an assisted dying law in the UK.[77] In August 2014, Stewart was one of 200 public figures who were signatories to a letter to The Guardian opposing Scottish independence in the run-up to September's referendum on that issue.[78]
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: hnumpah on August 03, 2015, 06:17:06 PM
Does he believe the bobbies conspire to murder and cover up the deaths of darker-skinned people in police custody?
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 03, 2015, 06:38:14 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 03, 2015, 07:52:14 PM
I would like to know why he was opposed to Scottish independence.

Stewart?
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 03, 2015, 08:36:28 PM
Stewart, not Stuart. Stewart is the original spelling, but Mary Queen of Scots changed it to Stuart because that is the French spelling and she was allied with the French.

Over half of the Scots voted against independence. Patrick Stewart is a Shakespearean actor.

Britain has different racial attitudes and different racial minorities. Each country in the world is unique in its way of dealing with different ethnic groups.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 03, 2015, 09:03:10 PM
http://www.gradesaver.com/macbeth/study-guide/summary

   So he might be familiar with Macbeth?

     
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 03, 2015, 09:14:59 PM
He has played MacBeth many times, according to an interview I recall. Also Hamlet and Lear.
He is a very talented actor.

Some of my ancestors were Stuarts. If I were a Scot, I don't know whether I would vote for independence or not.
UK politics  and economics is a complicated affair that I would need to study more. I do know that the Scottish Parliament has more authority than it used to have.

In England, Bank of England , Bank of  Scotland and Bank of Ireland  5, 10, 20 1nd 50 pound notes circulate randomly. One pound is a coin, not a note. 
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 03, 2015, 09:40:57 PM
  Hey a lot of my ancestors were Maxwell.
  The guardians of Caerlaverock.

    These guys would  have voted for an independent Scotland or against it in alternate generations, sort of swing voters but voting with arrows and pikes.

     But I don't know how the issues of that time carry into current politics .

      Probably, they mostly do not.
(http://www.clanwardlaw.com/resources/WardlawOnFlag.jpg)
(http://www.caerlaverockestate.co.uk/images/caerlaverock-castle-images/castle.jpg)
http://www.caerlaverockestate.co.uk/caerlaverock-castle.php
http://www.clanwardlaw.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Maxwell
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 04, 2015, 10:17:17 AM
The British system of divide and conquer worked very well to co-opt a few clans to fight the more unruly ones. The same system was also used in Ireland and later in India. Britain managed to control India with a very small bunch of soldiers and bureaucrats.

This is what Republican'ts dream of doing with Hispanics, but they suck at it, since they fool almost no one except a few diehard Cubans. Now the diehard Cubans are dying off. Most of Miami's Cubans like the new relations with Cuba. Rubio is not very popular, and Cruz is irrelevant.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 04, 2015, 10:22:59 AM
More of that art of projection, I see
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 04, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
You are now a self-appointed art critic.

You have revealed one more thing to suck at, sirs, congratulations.

Just note how many or few votes Rubio and Cruz get in the FL primaries.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 04, 2015, 10:43:54 AM
And like clockwork, wrong again, as my comments have nothing to do with art, although no one is required to be some official critic to critique they want.  No, the art of projection is a mental tactic.  The left uses it adnausuem, when trying to criticize something on the right.  They'll frequently condemn something that they themselves have made into an art form.  Liberal Democrats live off of pitting groups against each other, in the manner of trying to divide & conquer.  And they're actually very good at it
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 04, 2015, 12:26:27 PM
You continue to be stuffed full of crap, sirs.

YOU are the one who used the word "art", though you would be ill pressed to distinguish between Art, Fart, Tarts and Lawn Darts.

I am not "Liberals".

 I am just me.

Captain Picard is with me. I bet the Force is with me as well.

Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 04, 2015, 12:38:00 PM
It's still amazing how a "language" professor continue to demonstrate an utter inability to grasp context.  Art has many uses, as in "the art of *inset task here*"  And you are indeed a hard core liberal, representiatve of so many other narrow minded, ideological blinded, automotons
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 04, 2015, 01:00:27 PM
You use words without understanding thr meaning of words.

The ignorant are to ignorant to understand that they are ignorant.
The insane are too crazy to understand that they are bayshit crazy.

They drive down a one-way street going the wrong way, and say "all these people are crazy idiots! They are going the WRONG WAY!"

Such is the affliction of the right wing loon.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 04, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
I use words in context.  You will frequently then pull out the literal card, in order to argue a point, NO ONE IS MAKING.  Yes, art can be the literal definition, as a noun.  But in the CONTEXT I was using it, was in describing an act

Words can have multiple meanings, depending on the context of how they're used.  You would think a language professor can grasp such a concept.  However, my guess is that you do, but your art of deflection takes priority, which requires you to argue issues no one is making

And the sad thing is, everyone else sees it as well
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 04, 2015, 03:59:48 PM
Deflect yourself, sirs.   Make a video and put it on YouTube. Maybe you could make it pay for you.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 04, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
Dr Deflection, strikes again
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 04, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
No matter. Captain Picard is still on my side.
I bet Data and Spock are too.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 04, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
That's ok, I have Master Yoda and the rest of the Jedi council on my side     ::)
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 04, 2015, 10:18:39 PM
No, you don't. I doubt that even a scumbag like Senator Palpatine would have anything to do with you. I am thinking you might be able to forge a deal with a Hutt.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: sirs on August 05, 2015, 12:53:09 AM
Not even close.  If you can claim Starfleet, I can claim not only all the Jedis, but the light side of the Force as well.  Too bad for you.       8)
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 05, 2015, 01:26:18 AM
The British system of divide and conquer worked very well to co-opt a few clans to fight the more unruly ones. The same system was also used in Ireland and later in India. Britain managed to control India with a very small bunch of soldiers and bureaucrats.

This is what Republican'ts dream of doing with Hispanics, but they suck at it, since they fool almost no one except a few diehard Cubans. Now the diehard Cubans are dying off. Most of Miami's Cubans like the new relations with Cuba. Rubio is not very popular, and Cruz is irrelevant.

Wow nice segue.

Could it be that Republicans suck at doing something that they are not attempting to do?
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 05, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
Of course they are trying to divide and conquer the Hispanic vote. But they suck at it.

It is obvious what they are doing to anyone who lives here in Miami.

Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 05, 2015, 08:00:37 PM
  No , that division is there already.

   The Cubans you are pointing to are not tricked by Republicans , they have a low esteem for socialism because of their Cuban experience.

    Mexicans and other Southern Latins have different experience and don't think of socialism as such a negative, well they will learn.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 05, 2015, 10:17:15 PM
Why do you assume that Mexicans do not know just as much or more than you do about Socialism?

There are no entirely Capitalist nations and no entirely Communist ones, either.

Neither system works in its "pure" form.

Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 05, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
  The Cubans know all the negatives of socialism.

Point being that they know this without the Republicans doing anything to divide them.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 06, 2015, 09:13:53 AM
Cubans can come to the US rather easily, all they have to do is set a dry foot on the beach.

There are one million HERE and ten million THERE. I suggest this proves that vastly more of them prefer to be THERE than HERE.

The ones that originally left were those who were allied with the previous dictatorship and who ran things rendered useless by the Revolution: real estate salesmen and developers, car dealers, loan sharks, croupiers and other gambling industry people, compradores- the rich guys who bought stuff here and imported and sold it at a large profit there, administrators of US companies.

Many of those who came afterwards were swindlers and fixers, who are now swindling and fixing here in the US.

The immigration statistics prove exactly the OPPOSITE of what you claim.

If the US declared the same policy toward Hondurans, over half the country would apply, because Honduras is a vastly harder place to live in than Cuba is or ever was.


A majority of Cubans in the US favor the end to the embargo. They are bright enough to see that it serves only the purpose of making a few local Cubans (who manage telephone calls,  travel to Cuba, charter flights, etc.) very rich th the expense of all the other Cuban Americans.

When you have lived in Miami and lived with a Cuban for four bloody years, then you can tell me all about what a fucking genius you are about Cuba. All you are doing here is regurgitating CANF propaganda from the days of yore.

Sure, Castro runs a somewhat oppressive and inefficient government. On the other hand, people in Cuba are not starving and THOUSANDS who have come to Miami have returned, not because they love Fidel, but because the live better there with less stress than here. Payoing rent in Miami eats up half or more of an unskilled persons' salary. Rent in Cuba is minimal.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 06, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
  So you retract the idea that the Republican party is trying to split the Latinos?

   You seem to be agreeing with me that the split there is pre-existing.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 06, 2015, 08:53:16 PM
What I said was that previously most Latinos tend to be Democrats, but Cubans were the exception, and voted Republican. As the old whiskerandos die off, their children and grandchildren are increasingly voting for Democrats, and in the last presidential election, Obama got more votes among Cubans than Romney. The republicans would LIKE TO split off a larger percentage of Cubans to vote Republican't, but most Cubans favor the end of the Embargo, and morons like Trump accusing the Mexican government of deliberately sending rapists to the US, and crowing that he plans to force the Mexicans to build a huge wall to keep themselves in their place makes this increasingly less likely.

Pope Francis is far more popular than the Pole and the German that came before him, but Rubio, Cruz, and Bush have suggested that the first Hispanic Pope ever is batty. This does not help, either.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 06, 2015, 10:34:49 PM
  So you don't need to say that there is an effort on the Republican party's part to divide Latinos.

    What will divide them is prosperity and education.

   As more of them become prosperous and well educated , more of them will become Republicans .

   This makes it imperative to the Democrats to prevent STEM education and the resulting prosperity that at least some of them might get.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 07, 2015, 05:54:03 PM
Hispanics do not tend to think like most Americans. When they become educated, they tend to think more like Pope Francis than like Paul Ryan.
Business bazillionaires are not respected, they are feared. No one worships Carlos Slim in Mexico as some worship Jobs or Gates. Nor does a guy like Slim spend a forytune trying to wipe out malaria. There is a different mentality: more collectivist and less individualist.

Jews in the US are richer and better educated than most Americans. But there has not been even ONE Republican president that has managed to get a majority of the Jewish vote, not even Goldwater, whose father was born Jewish and had a Jewish surname. The Republicans are not good at separating Jews from one another, but they have been pretty good at separating some very rich Jews from their money, like Adelson and Moskowitz.  This is done by shamelessly teaming up with the wily Netanyahu.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Plane on August 08, 2015, 06:49:34 PM
Hispanics do not tend to think like most Americans. When they become educated, they tend to think more like Pope Francis than like Paul Ryan.

     Excellent , Planned Parenthood's days of evil are numbered.
Title: Re: I knew it, Captain Picard is on my side.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on August 08, 2015, 07:53:37 PM
I really, really doubt that.
 You will note that Pope Francis does not get very involved at all in the abortion debate.
Not at all like the two previous popes.