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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on March 25, 2016, 02:05:55 PM
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do people in america know isis attack mainly muslims?
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The usual gist is that Isis is a sworn enemy of the US and hates us because it hates our freedoms or something. But Isis is really more of a combination of mafiosos and religious lunatics, and is mostly not interested in conquest of the United States. The restoration of the ancient Muslim Caliphate does not involve anything in the Western hemisphere. It would be easy to simply make a deal with them for the US and Isis to ignore each other. EXCEPT that Syria has a border with Israel. We are in reality fighting so that Israel will have nicer neighbors. And, of course, even though the US may not need the oil, US companies need oil to sell, and the more the better.
Americans can normally get along with strange, oppressive and disgusting things going on abroad so long as the media does not make a big deal of it.
Female circumcision has been going on since the Fall of the Roman Empire or even farther back, and no one in the West even was aware of it. The same is true with Koreans eating puppydogs, the French eating horsemeat, and Haitians eating kittycats. But the press did not focus on any weird foreign practices until the television era.
Describing Koreans eating Fido on the radio is not much of a story, bu showing doggies in the market in cages on the day before they become lunch, well, that makes for the sort of television story that people cannot resist.
When I was in elementary school, the only countries that were mentioned were England, France and Germany. Occasionally you would hear something about the Philippines, Japan or Korea. China did not exist, since we did not recognize it. The Russians (they never called them Soviets) were important only because they were the reason we had to duck and cover in case they nuked the Chevrolet Plant in Kansas City, Kansas. It was well known that the Russians did not like Chevrolets.
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Are far simpler than that. ISIS believes in the notion that you either convert to Islam, are to be subjugated by it, or die. And Muslims that don't take up that calling are far more at risk than foreigners or the dreaded "west"
That said, ANYONE & EVERYONE who isn't abiding by the 1st 2 tenets, is at risk for the 3rd option
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Their most idealistic goal is to restore the Caliphate. They have no plans to convert the five billion non Muslims.
But mostly they are a small group of fanatics that have recruited a much larger bunch of ignorant of thugs to serve as cannon fodder.
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Never claimed their intention was to convert everyone. ISIS and all its radical islamic cousins are in the business of bringing about 3 things....have people convert to THEIR version of Islam...be subjegated by it....or die
And its their religious comittment that makes them dangerous to ALL...especially Muslims who have not embraced their mutated version of Islam
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do people in america know isis attack mainly muslims?
that is mainly a product of proximity
other muslims are easy targets for isis
isis is mostly thousands & thousands of miles away from whom they'd rather kill
Israel is closer but a more difficult target
so for now isis kills more muslims
but i wouldn't take to much solace in that fact because they'd rather kill you
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Just pointing out that we here may have a mistaken idea who the enemy is and note I'll go even further and say some here even attack non Muslims because of this
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The Christians and the Pagans that live in Isis controlled territory are being wiped out.
Our Secretary of state John Kerry calls this Genocide.
I suppose the Jews of that area have been driven out already.
The Caliphate will never have a firm border , it is a religious concept more than a nation, and its stated goal is constant expansion, as the Koran directs.
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Don't forget muslims are getting killed also
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Indeed.....anyone and everyone who has not converted or willing to be subjugated, is a target to be killed
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The greatest schism in Islam is between the Shia and the Sunni.
http://www.ibtimes.com/shia-sunni-deadly-ancient-schism-islamic-world-213671
There are other sorts of Islam like the Sufi, but the big two are Sunni like the Saudi Arabians and the Shia like the Iranians.
They disagree a bit over who the true heir of Mohammed is and the proper manner of prayer etc. stuff that is really insider concerns and we are not going to understand well.
These factions have been in bloody battle since shortly after the death of the Prophet himself.
So that is not the new part.
Nor is it really good news to us, it means there is practically no way to make friends with all of them, making friends on one side will antagonize the others.
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Nearly everyone killed bu Isis has been a Muslim, the majority being Shites. I don't think the leaders take the restoration of the Caliphate seriously Their main enemies are other Muslims. The US is an enemy mostly because it is attempting to exterminate Isis.
Just as Reagan created Mara Salvatrucha, Juniorbush created Isis. Blowback from stupid wars have caused the main problems of the US ever since WWII. Republicans have been the worst offenders and therefore need to be deprived of of office if we are to have peace.
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Nearly everyone killed bu Isis has been a Muslim,...
Error.
They are showing no mercy to Christians and Pagans. It does not look like big numbers because the majority of all is Muslim, but they are killing the whole community of Christians and whole towns of Pagans.
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...so much so, this Administration has even gone so far as to publical label the effort genocide. Not to mention that following 911 and our having removed Saddam from power, Iraq was stable, was progressing to a democratic nation, AlQeada had been limited to only local attacks, and ISIS was a mere blip
And what changed?......
Obama & Clinton took over. And the rest, as they say, is history
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Bush left Iraq in a horriblel mess. Your memory is faulty.
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My memory is perfectly fine, thank you very much. Your attempt at revisionist history, on the other hand. ....
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It is the real history, not your Ann Coulter history, Juniorbush left two wars and a busted economy. Everyone knows this. And thanks to Obama, few Americans are getting killed, the auto companies have been rescued, and many more people have adequate healthcare.
Republican'ts have proven that they suck and are unfit to run even a nylon stocking.
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Still more revisionist history I see. While it's true Iraq was far from rock stable, and the initial transition was less than stellar, Iraq was stable and progressing towards a true democratic rule. Then stepped in Obama & Clinton, and the rest, as they say, is history
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Bush left Iraq in a horriblel mess. Your memory is faulty.
No .
I have not forgotten that about three years ago our president declared the whole thing a success and removed the main part of the US expedition as it was redundant.
Have you forgotten that?
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/10/21/remarks-president-ending-war-iraq
And finally, I would note that the end of war in Iraq reflects a larger transition. The tide of war is receding. The drawdown in Iraq allowed us to refocus our fight against al Qaeda and achieve major victories against its leadership -- including Osama bin Laden. Now, even as we remove our last troops from Iraq, we’re beginning to bring our troops home from Afghanistan, where we’ve begun a transition to Afghan security and leadership. When I took office, roughly 180,000 troops were deployed in both these wars. And by the end of this year that number will be cut in half, and make no mistake: It will continue to go down.
So to sum up, the United States is moving forward from a position of strength. The long war in Iraq will come to an end by the end of this year. The transition in Afghanistan is moving forward, and our troops are finally coming home. As they do, fewer deployments and more time training will help keep our military the very best in the world. And as we welcome home our newest veterans, we’ll never stop working to give them and their families the care, the benefits and the opportunities that they have earned.
As it turns out , this was a bit premature.
There was a force of Al Queda left to rebuild and there was an nascent Isis waiting its turn to fill the power vacuum.
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Bingo!
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They are showing no mercy to Christians and Pagans.
"Christians Are Being Eradicated from the Middle East"
http://www.breitbart.com/jihad/2016/03/27/tera-dahl-christians-are-being-eradicated-from-the-middle-east/
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This whole uprising can be traced to Zibniew Brzezinski allying with the Saudis to send missionaries to Afghanistan to mess with the Russians.
Saudi Arabia was the force that started Muslim fundamentalism.
America's problems are often due to blowback from CIA meddling,
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They are showing no mercy to Christians and Pagans.
The death toll for the Easter-Day massacre in central Pakistan has risen to 72 victims,
mostly women and children, along with at least 320 injured.
"suicide bomber blew himself up Sunday evening in an attack on Christians in a large park in Lahore, where hundreds of families had gathered to celebrate the feast of Easter. Among the victims are more than 30 small children, who at the time of the blast were playing sports and outdoor games in the Gulshan-e-Iqbal Park. In Vatican City, Pope Francis issued a condemnation of the carnage as well as promising prayers for the victims and their families. "The horrible massacre of dozens of innocent people in Lahore Park casts a pall of sadness and anguish on the Easter holiday. Once again, the cowardly, murderous hatred rages against the most defenseless", said the Pope's message, as communicated by the papal spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi. The Pope also declared his closeness to the members of Pakistan's Christian minority who "once again have been struck by fanatical violence. The survivors said they saw bodies dismembered by the blast sprawled in pools of blood. Police confirmed the use of metal balls which sprayed in every direction to increase the lethal effect of the bomb".
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I think the koran mention something about not attacking children. These attacks tend to go against the texts.
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This whole uprising can be traced to Zibniew Brzezinski
And what party is Zbigniew Brzezinski and didn't Jimmy Carter appoint this weasel National Security Advisor?
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I think the koran mention something about not attacking children. These attacks tend to go against the texts.
Most of their attacks and killings go against the texts. However, they're obviously operating out of a mutated version of the Koran, where killing of anyone is justified, if they do not covert or are willing to be subjugated by their mutated version
And because its a faith based foundation, there is no "compromise" to be had, with Radical Islam. There is no "play nice" and they'll realize we're not their enemy. There is no treaty that can be signed, that would be adhered to, since the Koran supercedes any and all man made parchment.
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I don't think that Brzezinski's party affiliation is anywhere as his horrible mistakes.
He wanted revenge on the Soviets for the murder of the Polish officer corps in Katyn Woods by Stalin, There were fewer than 300 killed, most of them members if the nobility to which Brzezinski belonged. Over a million people have died as a result of his revenge plan.
Carter was tricked into this, probably by Kissinger.