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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on June 25, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
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Only "Texas Elected Political Class" Stands in Way of Independence,
Says Texas Nationalist Leader
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by LANA SHADWICK
25 Jun 2016
The hashtag #Texit was trending on Twitter the morning after the Brits voted to leave the European Union but secession and the Texas Nationalist Movement is nothing new. The president of one group says the only thing standing in the way is the Texas elected political class. He added, "They believe that the decision solely rests in their hands."
Texans may not have the opportunity to vote on leaving the union any time in the near future, but the thought appears to many to be even more captivating now. As reported by Breitbart Texas, the morning after the Brexit vote, #Texit was trending on Twitter.
"Much like the Trump insurgency that has tapped into a populism that the establishment has been ignoring, the TNM insurgency is tapping into a nationalism that party leaders have been ignoring until recently. And much like the national Republican response to Trump, the reaction of the political class in Texas has been one of disdain and disbelief," says Daniel Miller, the president of the Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM).
Breitbart Texas spoke with Miller on Friday. He said, "The message of the TNM that the best people to make decisions for Texas are Texans' seems to be resonating with voters that increasingly see the federal government as the problem. And that sentiment is what has transformed a historical and political curiosity into an insurgency and from an insurgency into a full-blown political revolution."
When discussing the difference between secession and the nationalist movement in Texas, Miller calls secession "a process." He compares the Nationalist Movement as a goal that is not process-oriented.
Miller told Breitbart Texas, "we want Texas to be a self-governing, independent Republic."
He adds that the Republican Party is in the midst of a full-blown uprising against the political class. On the national-level it's the "Trump insurgency." In Texas, it's a revolution over something entirely different, a vote on Texas leaving the union.
The Texas Nationalist Movement is one of the largest secession organizations in the world, Miller says. He has been steadily working for a vote on leaving the union. "Our point of attack over the past year has been surprising and effective, the operational apparatus of the Republican Party of Texas," Miller said.
Miller says that whether it has been on purpose or by accident, the electoral system firmly establishes the political parties as a wholly ingrained part of the political process in the state. "If you want to achieve political and economic goals, you ignore the role of political parties at your own peril."
He says that polls taken since 2009 have shown that a majority of Republicans believe that Texas would be better off leaving the union. He adds that the numbers have grown with each poll taken. He sites in particular to Research 2000 and Reuters/IPSOS polls.
Miller thinks the Republican response began to soften a bit after TNM launced a 23-city tour last summer. The organization has been gathering signatures across the state in order to get a non-binding resolution on the issue to the voters.
TNM has over 200,000 supporters on their rolls and are rapidly adding new ones. Miller says the TNM currently has more Facebook fans than the Republican Party of Texas, the Texas Democratic Party and the Libertarian Party of Texas combined.
As reported by Breitbart Texas, a resolution for secession passed a platform committee at the Texas GOP Convention in mid-May, and it was expected to go to a vote before all of the Lone Star State delegates. Officials from the Republican Party of Texas deterred their efforts however, and prevented it from going to a vote.
Before the secession measure was successfully squashed by Republican officials, Miller told Breitbart Texas that supporters of Texas Independence "scored a major victory." He said members of the movement who are delegates have been working to get the support. He said, "We are farther than we have ever been before."
Now the leader of the Texas Nationalist Movement says, "The majority of Republicans who want independence are being suppressed by the Republican gatekeepers. It's time to storm the gates."
The native Texan says, "The challenge now for the Republican Party of Texas is whether or not to embrace the pro-Texas enthusiasm that already exists in the party. Until they decide this question, the TNM revolution will gain strength until the RPT no longer has a choice."
Daniel Miller is a sixth generation Texan and author of the book "Line in the Sand," now in its tenth printing. The TNM president has been personally involved in Texas independence advocacy since 1996. You can follow him on Twitter @TheTexianDM.
Lana Shadwick is a writer and legal analyst for Breitbart Texas. She has served as a prosecutor and associate judge in Texas. Follow her on Twitter @LanaShadwick2.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/25/texas-elected-political-class-stands-way-independence-says-texas-nationalist-leader/
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Ludicrous nonsense.
Never gonna happen.
All Texans have to do is look at California,
There is NO CHANCE that CA would ever elect anyone like Ronald Reagan,
Texas is controlled by some very rich old White farts. Your Texican independence movement is also led by less rich old White farts.
But the writing is already on the wall: White folks will be a minority within a generation.
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but what are the advantage for businesses to stay in texas? will this backfire economicly
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There are no real advantages to Texas seceding.
Texas does not have the right to secede, The Civil War settled that issue long ago.
It doesn't matter, because it will never happen,
The demographics are against it. Every year, the percentage of White Texas declines.
Secession is a constitutional issue in the US.
It wasn't in the UK, because the UK has no constitution.
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There are no real advantages to Texas seceding.
Texas does not have the right to secede, The Civil War settled that issue long ago.
It doesn't matter, because it will never happen,
The demographics are against it. Every year, the percentage of White Texas declines.
Secession is a constitutional issue in the US.
It wasn't in the UK, because the UK has no constitution.
Does loosing a fight with a Robber mean that the robber has a right to keep your wallet and watch?
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I don't think that the Secession of the Southern states was in the best interests of the people who lived in the South.
It did not benefit the slaves much. Although there were probably some slaves that missed the regular meals and predictability of plantation life.
It did not benefit the majority of Whites, who were poor and uneducated: they ended up doing nearly all of the fighting and even more of the dying.
The Plantation owners rarely benefited. I know my ancestor bought land for very cheap in North Texas in the early 1850's and migrated there without losing middle class status.
I do not think that a majority of Texans want Texas to secede now, and the percentage of White folks is declining as the percentage of Latinos and Blacks rises, this will not result in a majority of Texans favoring it in the future.
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Oh no!
I am as happy as anyone that the War of Southern Secession wound up as it did , we are better off for loosing it and slavery was a seriously bad idea since centuries earlier. All the alternative endings of that war seem worse.
But Lincoln broke the rules to keep the country together, and violated the constitution to preserve its greater effect. The cost in blood and treasure is the most extreme of any of our wars.
Why is it actually a good idea that the USA be eternal?
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Lincoln had no alternative to what he did to preserve the Union.
He violated fewer laws than he could have.
The Plantation South was not any sort of democracy: it was a putrid elitist oligarchy.
This country is surely no more eternal than any other, but it is also entirely true that Texas cannot secede now, because the sup[port does not exist for it, and every year, there are fewer old White guys, and they are its major supporters.
Alaska's oil is no longer as plentiful or as important, so Alaskan secession is also unllkely now and will be more so in the future.
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There are no real advantages to Texas seceding.
There are HUGE advantages to Texas seceding.
The border would be under control within months, not years.
Texas would cease being over-run by illegal invaders.
Why anyone (except the globalists) would cheer at watching their own culture
and country being over-run by poor, uneducated, illegal invaders is beyond me.
The Texas economy would boom even more than it already does
by escaping Washington DC control freak regulations, international meddling/expenditures, and welfare state nanny-ism.
In 2012, Texas grossed more than $264.7 billion a year in exports, more than exports of California ($161.9 billion) and New York ($81.4 billion) combined. As a sovereign country (2014), Texas would be the 12th largest economy in the world by GDP (ahead of South Korea and Australia).
Texas has the natural resources to do quite well on it's own.....and it will one day.
Texas does not have the right to secede, The Civil War settled that issue long ago.
Yes that's like saying that Israel was decided a long time, because of a war.
Like everyone should just realize Israel won and it's a settled issue....lol
Do you not understand that time marches on?
Every civil war around the world right now....was at one time "settled long ago".
Times change....and they will continue to change.
Texas will be independent...and why shouldn't it be if that's what the people of Texas want?
If California wants out....I say "don't let the door hit ya in the ass"....let people be who they want to be.
Why the need to control?
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Texas will not secede because a majority of Texans oppose it now and with every passing year, the percentage who will oppose it will increase.
There will be MORE Blacks and Chicanos every year, because they have more children. And they will not want to be ruled by some crackpot White fools.
Texas gets more money from the Feds than Texans pay out in taxes.
Texas had its chance, and went broke trying. That is why it joined the US.
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Texas will secede....or a significant part of it.
You are clueless if you think successful hardworking native Texans are
going to sit back and just transition to living in "Guatemala Light".
And like you say...it may take being voted into obscurity and then
money/brains will take the necessary actions.
Texas some years gets more fiat printed money from DC
and some years it doesn't. But of course it does when DC
is allowing open border chaos flooding Texas with illegal
poor uneducated invaders....once Texas secedes the
invasion stops and they won't need the money, and
they wont need the DC money to enforce all thee nutty
control freak laws from Washington....it is a fact that
Texas would do quite well economically on it's own.
Texas has better qualities for business and natural
resources than most countries on earth...it's ridiculous
to argue somehow Texas couldn't make it on it's own.
Ha Ha...Texas had it's chance....what a stupid ass statement
as if nothing has changed since 1836....
"yeah boss ever-things got to stay da way it was back in 1836"....lol
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but what about corporate money. all those businesses lured from california and other places. is it still advantageous to stay . would this complicate things since this means texas is now outside of the U.S. . it`s not the cost thats the issue but legality.
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Texas will not secede because a majority of Texans oppose it now and with every passing year, the percentage who will oppose it will increase.
Right now I suppose, but after a few years of HRC as president and there might be a lot of very sore Texans.
Rules made in g Washington DC are better for Texans than rules they could make themselves? I just bet that there are a lot of Washington DC residents who are just as sure this is true , and quite a few Texans who are not convinced.
but what about corporate money. all those businesses lured from california and other places. is it still advantageous to stay . would this complicate things since this means texas is now outside of the U.S. . it`s not the cost thats the issue but legality.
If the taxes of Texas are mild , why wouldn't business owners flock across the border?
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Its not about the money its about businesses being done out of the united states. These are not texas based businesses .
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If the taxes of Texas are mild , why wouldn't business owners flock across the border?
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Because Texas elects morons like Dolph Briscoe and Ted Cruz.
Texas will NEVER secede. Every year the percentage of White guys like CU4 decreases. There are not enough of them NOW to secede, and next year there will be comparatively fewer. With every passing year, there are fewer White Texans and more Brown and Black ones.
Go to any schoolyard in any major Texas town and look at the kids: that is the next generation.
Secession would not have a chance if it were allowed.
AND it is not allowed.
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I was just told this is a tactic to finally get the border secure like Arizona. Succession means Texas will guard its own border. That will get the feds to finally act
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Go to any schoolyard in any major Texas town and look at the kids: that is the next generation.
Texas or a part of Texas will secede....there is no doubt about it.
As stated earlier...brains and money are not going to stand by and suddenly agree to live in a "Honduras Starter Kit".
And Texas does have the right to split into at least 4 separate states, and thus could do that if needed no matter how
many "Si Senor" illegals the Left has waved across the border. Once divided into 4-5 states it could take place that way.
So one way or the other it will happen...because millions and millions and millions of non-foreign born Texans
are not going to accept living in Mexico Lite.
People all over the world are fighting right now...today...about basically the same type of issues
To pretend it will be any different here is utterly naive.
Re-read the title of this thread...."long slow process".
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LONG SLOW PROCESS.
That will not work, then, as the birthrate for non White Texans far exceeds the birthrate for White ones, and they are the ones that most want to secede, and probably not even half of them. Every year there will be FEWER Texans that want to secede. And there are not enough to vote to do this now.
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Yeah keep on living in fantasy land that somehow all the brains/money will
just readily accept eventually living in a "Honduras Lite"....as stated previously
that is exactly what triggers independence movements all over the globe and
if you think Texans and/or native Americans wont be good at it and won't do it
and just "surrender" you are crazy as hell. There is no doubt it will happen here.
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LONG SLOW PROCESS.
That will not work, then, as the birthrate for non White Texans far exceeds the birthrate for White ones, and they are the ones that most want to secede, and probably not even half of them. Every year there will be FEWER Texans that want to secede. And there are not enough to vote to do this now.
Would you advise white people to spend more time and effort on reproduction?
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Would you advise white people to spend more time and effort on reproduction?
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What would be the point to that?
I have no influence on that at all.
It is simply a fact that Chicanos and Black Texans marry earlier and use less birth control, and therefore have more children.
Texas will not divide into more states, NHo part of Texas will secede, ever. NOT gonna happen. CU4 is in a tiny minority,
He thinks that smaller government is somehow tied to Christianity. He does not inhabit reality.
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Texas could cede and go back where it came from, as a part of Mexico Texas would be influential in Mexican politics more than it is in US politics. Texas would also subtract enough military powers from the US and add them to Mexico to make Mexico a player in international military terms.
What I really want to know is why you think Texans more blessed with pigment will be better Texans.
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Texas could cede and go back where it came from, as a part of Mexico Texas would be influential in Mexican politics more than it is in US politics. Texas would also subtract enough military powers from the US and add them to Mexico to make Mexico a player in international military terms.
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It could in some fantasy. There is no way it could actually happen in reality.
Texas will not secede, nor will any part of it, during the lifetime of anyone in this forum.Nor will join Mexico, which would be even more unlikely than secession as an independent republic.
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Texas could cede and go back where it came from
and who would Mexico cede back to?
after-all almost every county/society on earth "ran somebody else off the land they currently control"
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list of current ACTIVE separatist movements in the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_active_separatist_movements
the US itself is the product of a separatist movement
yeah sure...it could never happen here
you'd have never made it in business
we had tons of people tell us
"that wont work"
"you'll never make it"
"somebody already tried that and it didn't work"
LOL....yeah ok sure
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There will be a Kurdistan long before there will be an independent Texas.
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People throughout history...and they will continue to do so!
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Texas could cede and go back where it came from, as a part of Mexico Texas would be influential in Mexican politics more than it is in US politics. Texas would also subtract enough military powers from the US and add them to Mexico to make Mexico a player in international military terms.
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It could in some fantasy. There is no way it could actually happen in reality.
Texas will not secede, nor will any part of it, during the lifetime of anyone in this forum.Nor will join Mexico, which would be even more unlikely than secession as an independent republic.
Didn't you just tell me that Texas is getting more Spanish speaking and browner skinned?
So what makes such an idea unattractive?
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The Mexicans that came to Texas are positive about being Mexican (the culture, the food, the music, the art, the history, the traditions) but they are not at all positive about being ruled by the PRI, the PAN or any other Mexican political party. My ex wife was born in Mexico, I brought her here. She loves Mexico and everything about Mexico except the government. Her family that lives in Mexico City agrees with her, but they do not want to come to the US. Texas Chicanos do not want to live in Mexico, but they also do not want to be ruled by racist White Good Ol' Boys like the dolts behind this doomed Texas independence crap. These are the guys who purchased the loser and prominent Hispanic token Ted Cruz
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An independent Texas would have neither a Mexican nor a US government.
How hard would it be to surpass both of those standards?
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Perhaps very hard.
The problems would be different ones, anyway.
But this will, I repeat, never happen.
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I don't think it the most likely thing .
But the thing that makes it most seem possible is the furthest parts from Texas smugly taking the state for granted .
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States cannot secede: Texas tried this already.It did not work out.