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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on August 31, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
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When he refuse the anthem my first thought was did he get stopped by the police and dang it he was.
People say if that happen accept it and never complain . Hes one of the most visible players around and quite boring personality wise. Is it any wonder he hit his limit.
Will smith, levar burton gets stopped. Levar even gives safety tips on how not to get shot. Lets just say it really doesnt look equally safer for moniors.
I dont much agree with BLM but these police stops are giving them strength. They just sit back and wait for the police to keep doing what they do
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This is actually pretty simple for me....he has EVERY right to critique or condemn this country, in any way he choses, so long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. That said, he has no right not to be the target of all manner of rhetorical repercussions, be it burning his jersey, or even losing endorsements
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Not saying he should not lose his financial future but pointing out what hes willing to lose . I think hes might be relieved. He never gave the impression he had a easy career. Every action he took was highly critisized. His commercials pointed that out unlike other player he's likely saved his money and can stop completely anyway
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Endorsements aren't the same as his job.
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Very doubtful he doesnt know that. He was never a likeable person before this so he's probly not gonna get much more flak from this.
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I have to doubt that......his latest attempt to defend his stance, in claiming that beuticians & hardressers go thru longer, more extensive training in carring a curling iron, than the police do in carrying a gun. You can't get much more ignorant than that. Good freind of mine, who spent 2 tours in the military, and now has a helicopter license, attempted to go thru the police academy, to become a police officer. While he breezed thru the massive amount of studying and paper testing, as well as firearms proficiency, the physical portion was brutal. So much so, he couldn't pass. I could bet my house that no hairdresser would have been able to pass thru the police academy
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I agree that he has an absolute right to remain seated.
However, this is a useless way to protest.
If he were protesting a specific action, such as turning someone he thinks was improperly arrested feed, or improved medical care for concussion victims, it might make sense. But to protest something as vague as racism through the ages will produce no results.
It is juvenile, like threatening to hold his breath until no White folks ever called a Black man "boy", well, that is just dumb.
He has a constitutional right to protest. The 49ers are not constitutionally obliged to keep him on the payroll. He is a mere entertainer. not the Defender of Truth, Justice and the American Way as it should be.
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I wouldn't go so far as losing his job for exercising his 1st amendment right, but the rest is pretty much spot on
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I did not say that I would fire him, but again, he is an entertainer, and if the owners think that he is hurting their very profitable business, they have every right to fire him. I am not an owner of the 49'ers, nor would I ever waste my time watching any NFL game.
His protest is not directed in any way that could result in less racism.
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I beautician and police maybe a apple and orange thing. I think i would have a easier chance as a police officer than beautician. I think thiers a massive failure rate for beauticians
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I did not say that I would fire him, but again, he is an entertainer, and if the owners think that he is hurting their very profitable business, they have every right to fire him.
Are you saying that anyone exercising their 1st amendment right, that happens to be hurting profits, can be fired? Really?
I am not an owner of the 49'ers, nor would I ever waste my time watching any NFL game.
Completely irrelevent
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I beautician and police maybe a apple and orange thing. I think i would have a easier chance as a police officer than beautician.
Point being, Colin is blurring the 2, as if one is trained harder & longer, than the other
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Wow
Beautician 1500hr training
Police 916 hr training
St louis
Colin would get fire for multiple reasons other than his protest. Nfl has serious issue with out of control players and has a very bad rep of not being able to fite its player and this incident needs to be addressed greatly to show really whose in charge. The anthemn is way too out of line for then
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I seriously have to redirect the notion as to the type of training, and the quality of that training
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Actually the beautician field has huge failure rate. Scarey huge . Police shortage is more political than talent shortage.
Again a apple orange issue very rare we get crossover in these fields . I doubt we get many undercover officers being hair dressers. That go south fast
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Again, I have to disagree....citing my friend, who was MORE than qualified, not to mention the proper skin color, but that should be irrelevent, he simply didn't have enough physical "talent" (if you want to call it that) to get thru the Police Academy
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Im just pointing out these are very different disaplines and not be thought of as levels of difficulty
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And I'm just pointing out its Colin trying to blurr the 2 as if they are largely the same thing, sith similar "challenges" & difficulties
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Are you saying that anyone exercising their 1st amendment right, that happens to be hurting profits, can be fired? Really?
Well, Hell yes!
Of course they can. Remember Jimmy the Greek? He was fired for stuff he said. Earl Butz was a Secretary of Agriculture that cracked some mean joke about Blacks and he was outta there like a flash.
The First Amendment protects people from being punished by the government for expressing themselves. It does not protect them from being fired. There is no constitutional right to a job.
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Are you saying that anyone exercising their 1st amendment right, that happens to be hurting profits, can be fired? Really?
Well, Hell yes!
Well, good to know. Thanks for the honesty
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I have never fired anyone for anything. But it is true that a person can be fired at any time for any reason or for no reason at all.
Capitalism allows this and always has.
It is not a matter of my honesty. I did not make the policy.
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Capitalism has squat to do with this. This is simply highlighting that you apparently have no problem with someone being fired for exercising their 1st amendment rights. And my response to that was good to know....thanks for your honesty. Nice, albeit weak, attempt to try and deflect that position onto some supposed capitalism boogeyman
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Colin K. is more specifically protesting cops needlessly shooting Black people, There is an article in The Nation magazine that sums up his protest eloquently.
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Are you saying that anyone exercising their 1st amendment right, that happens to be hurting profits, can be fired? Really?
Well, Hell yes!
Well, good to know. Thanks for the honesty
I think he is mostly right.
When a firing is for obviously prejudicial reasons there may be a court case to make of it, but this isn't often easy to prove as real reasons are often offered along with red herrings.
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I don't doubt folks are fired for spouting off. The issue is can one be fired simply by exercising their 1st amendment right to protest. Xo believes that's an acceptable action. That's really all that's going on here. I don't believe I claimed he was wrong. I was just amazed he supported the action
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I did not at any moment say ti was acceptable, I said it was LEGAL, In fact, I think it should be illegal. You cannot fire people because they are women, because they are old, or because if their race if the person can prove it. The reality is that when a person is fired he STAYS fired. If he wins a case, as a rule, the company pays some sort of compensation, which is almost always confidential.
They can certainly fire this football player for his refusal to stand. But I don't think they will. It would make the owners look like dicks (which they would be) and many fans would stay home.
As I said, there is an article in the Nation about his position, which clarifies it a lot.
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Sure you did. Because this was a football player, you were almost giddy that it might happen
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i'd find a way to get rid of his sorry ass!
NFL executives blast 49ers' Colin Kaepernick, don't believe he'll play in league again
http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/09/colin_kaepernick_nfl_executives.html
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As i said before he was never a likeable player so its doubtful he had a strong contract to protect him from this . We had actual felonies in the nfl and they get protections because their much more popular.
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Colin Kaepernick Wears Socks Depicting Cops As Pigs....
The Dallas Cowboys were prohibited from wearing a decal on their helmets supporting the police.
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The 49ers quarterback will be in San Diego this week, where he's expected to continue his protest during
a celebration where the Chargers will be honoring 240 military members before the national anthem.
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The logic is tortured. They are telling Colin that he should stand up top honor those who fought for his right to sit down and protest.
The fact is that no war since WWII could have resulted in any enemy rescinding the US Constitution.
The soldiers fought because they were told to fight, and were paid to do so.
At no point did even one of them hear that they were fighting for the right of an NFL player to remain seated during the National Anthem.