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Title: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: The_Professor on October 30, 2006, 05:59:36 PM
13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
By Mona Charen
Friday, October 27, 2006

I can understand why Democrats are jazzed about November's election. The polls combined with the fawning media ("Oh, please, Sen. Obama, let us kiss the hem of your garment!") are giving them goose bumps such as they have not experienced since "An Inconvenient Truth" debuted in theaters.

What I don't understand is the seeming tepidness of so many Republicans. Yes, the war in Iraq is a long, hard slog. The world is not Topeka, Kansas (would that it were). A journalist pointed out to President Bush at his most recent press conference that the Iraq war has now been going on as long as World War II did for the United States. Well, yes, but we lost 407,316 men in World War II. On Iwo Jima alone, we lost 6,800. This is not to say that the deaths of our people in Iraq should be trivialized. But comparisons with World War II -- in terms of sacrifice and terrible price paid -- are ridiculous.

Republicans have abundant reasons to reserve a spot at their polling places on Election Day:

1) The economy. More than 6.6 million new jobs have been created since August 2003. Our 4.1 annual growth rate is superior to all other major industrialized nations. The Dow has set record highs multiple times in the past several weeks. Productivity is up, and the deficit is down. Real, after-tax income has grown by 15 percent since 2001. Inflation has remained low. As Vice President Cheney summed it up at a recent meeting with journalists, "What more do you want?" The tax cuts proposed by President Bush and passed by a Republican Congress can take a bow.

2) The Patriot Act. Democrats and liberals mourn this law as a gross infringement upon civil liberties. Yet the much-discussed abuses simply haven't materialized. The law has, on the other hand, permitted the CIA and FBI to cooperate and share information about terrorist threats -- at least so long as The New York Times isn't publishing the details of our counterterrorism efforts on the front page.

3) The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, to which liberals clung with passionate intensity, has been cancelled, permitting us to work on missile defense. In the age of Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is anyone (except Nancy Pelosi) sorry?

4) Immigration. Republicans in Congress insisted upon and got the first serious immigration restriction in decades. On Oct. 26, the president signed a law that will build a 700-mile fence along our southern border and, what is more important, does not offer amnesty.

5) There has not been another terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. Who would have predicted that on 9/12?

6) Libya has surrendered its nuclear program.

7) A.Q. Khan's nuclear smuggling network has been rolled up.

8) John Roberts and Samuel Alito sit on the U.S. Supreme Court.

9) Those Democrats who do not want to close Guantanamo Bay altogether want to give all of its inmates the full panoply of rights Americans enjoy in criminal procedures.

10) Democrats believe in immediate withdrawal from Iraq. If they succeed in forcing us to leave under these circumstances, the United States will suffer a stinging defeat in the war on terror. The terrorists already believe that they drove the Russians from Afghanistan and Israel from Lebanon and Gaza. They are convinced they chased us out of Lebanon in 1983 and from Somalia in 1993. According to Osama bin Laden and those who share his views, we are militarily strong but psychologically and spiritually weak. Like it or not -- and no one likes it -- we cannot leave Iraq now without utterly and decisively validating this analysis. We might as well run a white flag up the flagpole at the Capitol.

11) Democrats would like to eliminate the terrorist surveillance program.

12) If Democrats achieve a majority in the House, Barney Frank will chair the Financial Services Committee, Henry Waxman will head the Government Reform Committee, and Alcee Hastings will chair the Intelligence Committee.

13) Democrats believe that the proper response to Kim Jong Il's nuclear test is "face to face talks." That's what the Clinton administration did for years.

It worked out well, didn't it?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2006/10/27/13_reasons_to_vote_republican_on_nov_7
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 31, 2006, 08:58:54 AM
Thirteen piles of horsesh*t.

Watch them crash and burn.

As a Fundie Jesusfreak, you should know that Rove thinks you are a pathetic dupe.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: The_Professor on October 31, 2006, 10:17:03 AM
Well, it IS disappointing how the old guard of the Republican Party treats us, but, then again, it doesn't surprise me either. That being said, gimme something better....
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Plane on October 31, 2006, 07:51:29 PM
How should Fundie Jesus Freaks be represented in Government at all?


Should there be in government a representative of each such minority in proportion to its size in the electoriate?
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: The_Professor on November 02, 2006, 11:07:55 PM
No, ouch! Smells of quotas...
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Plane on November 03, 2006, 02:41:31 AM
     I don't think that Quotas would be needed , if everyone votes in his own best intrest , and voteing districts are not too badly drawn , there should very naturally be a selection of every significant minority as Congressional representivites.


    I am trying to get somebody to say that Fundamentalists should be avoiding government or forbidden to run for office.

    No luck yet , but I will keep fishing.

Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 03, 2006, 02:57:22 AM
13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
By Mona Charen
Friday, October 27, 2006

I can understand why Democrats are jazzed about November's election. The polls combined with the fawning media ("Oh, please, Sen. Obama, let us kiss the hem of your garment!") are giving them goose bumps such as they have not experienced since "An Inconvenient Truth" debuted in theaters.

What I don't understand is the seeming tepidness of so many Republicans. Yes, the war in Iraq is a long, hard slog. The world is not Topeka, Kansas (would that it were). A journalist pointed out to President Bush at his most recent press conference that the Iraq war has now been going on as long as World War II did for the United States. Well, yes, but we lost 407,316 men in World War II. On Iwo Jima alone, we lost 6,800. This is not to say that the deaths of our people in Iraq should be trivialized. But comparisons with World War II -- in terms of sacrifice and terrible price paid -- are ridiculous.

Republicans have abundant reasons to reserve a spot at their polling places on Election Day:

1) The economy. More than 6.6 million new jobs have been created since August 2003. Our 4.1 annual growth rate is superior to all other major industrialized nations. The Dow has set record highs multiple times in the past several weeks. Productivity is up, and the deficit is down. Real, after-tax income has grown by 15 percent since 2001. Inflation has remained low. As Vice President Cheney summed it up at a recent meeting with journalists, "What more do you want?" The tax cuts proposed by President Bush and passed by a Republican Congress can take a bow.

2) The Patriot Act. Democrats and liberals mourn this law as a gross infringement upon civil liberties. Yet the much-discussed abuses simply haven't materialized. The law has, on the other hand, permitted the CIA and FBI to cooperate and share information about terrorist threats -- at least so long as The New York Times isn't publishing the details of our counterterrorism efforts on the front page.

3) The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, to which liberals clung with passionate intensity, has been cancelled, permitting us to work on missile defense. In the age of Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is anyone (except Nancy Pelosi) sorry?

4) Immigration. Republicans in Congress insisted upon and got the first serious immigration restriction in decades. On Oct. 26, the president signed a law that will build a 700-mile fence along our southern border and, what is more important, does not offer amnesty.

5) There has not been another terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. Who would have predicted that on 9/12?

6) Libya has surrendered its nuclear program.

7) A.Q. Khan's nuclear smuggling network has been rolled up.

8) John Roberts and Samuel Alito sit on the U.S. Supreme Court.

9) Those Democrats who do not want to close Guantanamo Bay altogether want to give all of its inmates the full panoply of rights Americans enjoy in criminal procedures.

10) Democrats believe in immediate withdrawal from Iraq. If they succeed in forcing us to leave under these circumstances, the United States will suffer a stinging defeat in the war on terror. The terrorists already believe that they drove the Russians from Afghanistan and Israel from Lebanon and Gaza. They are convinced they chased us out of Lebanon in 1983 and from Somalia in 1993. According to Osama bin Laden and those who share his views, we are militarily strong but psychologically and spiritually weak. Like it or not -- and no one likes it -- we cannot leave Iraq now without utterly and decisively validating this analysis. We might as well run a white flag up the flagpole at the Capitol.

11) Democrats would like to eliminate the terrorist surveillance program.

12) If Democrats achieve a majority in the House, Barney Frank will chair the Financial Services Committee, Henry Waxman will head the Government Reform Committee, and Alcee Hastings will chair the Intelligence Committee.

13) Democrats believe that the proper response to Kim Jong Il's nuclear test is "face to face talks." That's what the Clinton administration did for years.

It worked out well, didn't it?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2006/10/27/13_reasons_to_vote_republican_on_nov_7

This is all doodoo...6 million jobs...when the Decidr lost three right off the bat...and we have been averages 150,000 a month, and it takes at least 250,000 just to keep up with those wanting to coming into  the work force.

Clinton had 22 million without cooking the books.

And do soe research other then the Faux News...the North Koreans did not make anout Nuke until 2003... The talks worked. Dumb ass Bush stands up and lists those he wants to put the screws tpo and  we should be surprised they take offence. Why are repubs so blasted simple minded?

And a 700 mile fence...yes I can see where that would make you all feel like you have accomplished something...and do you know the definition of Amnesty? I wish those  bozop's in ciongress would buy a dictionary.
And why are dems stoked? Lets see...there is a contest going...nameing all the repubs indicted with one breath.

HI!
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Plane on November 03, 2006, 03:22:37 AM
Good to see you Terra.


I hope you are as healthy as you are wrong.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: The_Professor on November 03, 2006, 10:45:49 AM
Unemployment rate lowest in nearly 5-1/2 years
Fri Nov 3, 2006 9:23 AM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. unemployment rate dropped to its lowest in nearly 5-1/2 years during October as 92,000 more jobs were added and hiring in each of the two prior months was revised up, a government report on Friday showed.

The October new-jobs figure was below Wall Street economists' expectations for 125,000 but the Labor Department said a total 139,000 more jobs were created in August and September than it had previously thought. It revised up September's job-creation total to 148,000, or nearly three times the 51,000 it reported a month ago, and said there were 230,000 new jobs in August instead of 188,000.

The unemployment rate fell in October to 4.4 percent from 4.6 percent in September. It was the lowest unemployment rate since 4.3 percent in May 2001 and was likely to fan concerns that labor markets are growing tight and could contribute to inflation pressures.

Average hourly earnings rose 0.4 percent to $16.91 - higher than the 0.3 percent that analysts had anticipated - while the average work week edged up to 33.9 hours from 33.8. Over the year, average hourly earnings have risen by 3.9 percent, the department said.

Most of the new hiring in October was in service industries, where 152,000 new jobs were created, while goods-producing industries shed 60,000 jobs.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 03, 2006, 04:28:19 PM
Good to see you Terra.


I hope you are as healthy as you are wrong.

I am right as rain and more right then you.   

I am doing volunteer work for MoveOn... :-*

How have you been?

Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: _JS on November 03, 2006, 04:38:37 PM
ABMT is #3?

Wow. No wonder the GOP is struggling.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 03, 2006, 04:42:25 PM
Unemployment rate lowest in nearly 5-1/2 years
Fri Nov 3, 2006 9:23 AM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. unemployment rate dropped to its lowest in nearly 5-1/2 years during October as 92,000 more jobs were added and hiring in each of the two prior months was revised up, a government report on Friday showed.

The October new-jobs figure was below Wall Street economists' expectations for 125,000 but the Labor Department said a total 139,000 more jobs were created in August and September than it had previously thought. It revised up September's job-creation total to 148,000, or nearly three times the 51,000 it reported a month ago, and said there were 230,000 new jobs in August instead of 188,000.

The unemployment rate fell in October to 4.4 percent from 4.6 percent in September. It was the lowest unemployment rate since 4.3 percent in May 2001 and was likely to fan concerns that labor markets are growing tight and could contribute to inflation pressures.

Average hourly earnings rose 0.4 percent to $16.91 - higher than the 0.3 percent that analysts had anticipated - while the average work week edged up to 33.9 hours from 33.8. Over the year, average hourly earnings have risen by 3.9 percent, the department said.

Most of the new hiring in October was in service industries, where 152,000 new jobs were created, while goods-producing industries shed 60,000 jobs.


That is only  92,000 jobs...you have to have at least 250,000 to keep up with those entering into the job market.We have had thousands of jobs going south...tell me with the Houseing market falling, what do you think is going to happen. I mean Walmart can only hire so many Greeters.
Service jobs pay squat. Good jobs are flying away while more jobs are opening on cleaning toilets and waiting tables.

This must really kill you, after all the Party of the grownups turned into the party of  Felons. I was told that it would be easier for the republican party to have their meetings at the prison. They won't have to worry about transportation.

How ya been?                     
terra
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: The_Professor on November 03, 2006, 05:42:44 PM
Hi Terra. Welcome back.

Yes, the Republicans have disappointed me in many ways lately.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 04, 2006, 04:43:56 PM
Hi Terra. Welcome back.

Yes, the Republicans have disappointed me in many ways lately.

I know it's a bitter pil to swallow. I don't know how the election will go... there seems to be districts where the word republican is dirty. But still those places where democrat is also...The GOP's fear mongering is dong it's job. Those folks are afaid of gays and them getting married. Boo...be afraid...Steve and Brad are getting married. You don't know them  as being gay, though they are your doctor or lawyer...or they live in the next town...but you need to be afraid that they  don't have to just shack up.

I just think that is totally stupid.

It's a stupid reason that anyone votes for a do nothing criminal congress.
terra
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Amianthus on November 04, 2006, 04:53:35 PM
there seems to be districts where the word republican is dirty.

You forgot to add "the Dem's fear mongering is doing it's job," with this section.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 04, 2006, 05:13:53 PM
there seems to be districts where the word republican is dirty.

You forgot to add "the Dem's fear mongering is doing it's job," with this section.

        Fear! Run for your lives! The Democrats are coming!!!
I did say they were repubs. Bush with his.../if you vote for democrats you will get taxed and killed in your bed.Now you know that is playing to the fears of people raised in fear.  All the dems have to do is tell the truth.

terra
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Amianthus on November 04, 2006, 05:14:47 PM
All the dems have to do is tell the truth.

Then one wonders why so many of them lie.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: sirs on November 04, 2006, 05:41:24 PM
Fear! Run for your lives! The Democrats are coming!!!  I did say they were repubs. Bush with his.../if you vote for democrats you will get taxed and killed in your bed.Now you know that is playing to the fears of people raised in fear.  All the dems have to do is tell the truth.

terra

Then one wonders why they lie when they say stuff like if you vote for democrats you will get taxed and killed in your bed.  Taxed, absolutely.  Haven't met a liberal Dem yet that didn't salivate over raising taxes.  Killed in your bed??  What Republican says, or even implies that?
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Plane on November 04, 2006, 07:39:34 PM
Good to see you Terra.


I hope you are as healthy as you are wrong.

I am right as rain and more right then you.   

I am doing volunteer work for MoveOn... :-*

How have you been?




I am doing well,  glad to hear that you are too.

I think you may drag Moove on to the left.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: larry on November 04, 2006, 08:47:41 PM
I did say they were repubs. Bush with his.../if you vote for democrats you will get taxed and killed in your bed.Now you know that is playing to the fears of people raised in fear.  All the dems have to do is tell the truth.


Hi Terra. Do you think Bush arranged for the Saddam verdict to be announced just two day before the election? I do. The trial went on for more than a year. Three of Saddam's attorneys were murdered and in spite of all of that, the verdict came right on time for a Nov. surprise.

Glad to see you back in action Terra.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: BT on November 04, 2006, 09:52:40 PM
Quote
Bush with his.../if you vote for democrats you will get taxed and killed in your bed.

Larry is that a direct quote from Bush?
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Lanya on November 05, 2006, 01:33:40 AM
Good to see you Terra.


I hope you are as healthy as you are wrong.

I am right as rain and more right then you.   

I am doing volunteer work for MoveOn... :-*

How have you been?



Yay Terra! Good to see you! 
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 05, 2006, 02:24:15 AM
I did say they were repubs. Bush with his.../if you vote for democrats you will get taxed and killed in your bed.Now you know that is playing to the fears of people raised in fear.  All the dems have to do is tell the truth.


Hi Terra. Do you think Bush arranged for the Saddam verdict to be announced just two day before the election? I do. The trial went on for more than a year. Three of Saddam's attorneys were murdered and in spite of all of that, the verdict came right on time for a Nov. surprise.

Glad to see you back in action Terra.
thanks Larry,
I have been missing all of you. That and I expect to be able to say...nnner nanner nanner... to our GOP friends. I know they have been more picky lately...they cn not help it. Theyt are going down down down and that is hard to swallow when they have been so arrogant.

Personally there has been alot of things happening and repubs going down, the only reason we would not take over the house and senate is that all of the GOP are hypocrites. Its ok for repubs to screw around on their wives, be a closeted gay, run after pages, sale power and be obnoxious cheating liers...BUT damn don't get a Blow job while democrat.

And it was VERY planned when  that virdict will be announced.
I have always been in action..I joined a forum- Street Prophets. It is a liberal political/religious forum. Rather nice.  They have some wonderful diarists...and enough Pagans to make me happy. Its a place where Jewish Rabis get along beautifully with atheists and Pagans.
But it is too polte and I need some Debate gate...lol
Hugs hope you have been well.

terra
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 05, 2006, 02:30:53 AM
Good to see you Terra.


I hope you are as healthy as you are wrong.

I am right as rain and more right then you.   

I am doing volunteer work for MoveOn... :-*

How have you been?



Yay Terra! Good to see you! 

Wonderful to see you!
I have been meaning to call you..I did once  but your phone was busy. How have you been?
Tuesday is right around the corner, have you been as antsy as I have been?

Hugs,
terra
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: The_Professor on November 05, 2006, 12:25:51 PM
Saw "The Wicker Man" the other day and thoguht of you, Terra. Seen it yet? Nicolas Cage did an excellent job as did others in the movie.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: terra on November 05, 2006, 02:56:51 PM
Saw "The Wicker Man" the other day and thoguht of you, Terra. Seen it yet? Nicolas Cage did an excellent job as did others in the movie.

Prof,
If you want to see the Wicker Man see the old one. I don't know of a Pagan that has seen the old one that would spend the money ofto see this new one.. It changed too much. They kowtowed to the religuous right. The Cage character was a prig...I mean by the end you wanted that sucker to flame. But there was so much more to it... they changed too much.
Get the one with Christopher Lee. He was super...so was the bits of real paganism that was in it.

glad you thought of me, but they really made Pagans the bad guys...so I don't know if I am flattered.lol
terra
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Plane on November 05, 2006, 07:47:57 PM
"Its ok for repubs to screw around on their wives, be a closeted gay, run after pages, sale power and be obnoxious cheating liers...BUT damn don't get a Blow job while democrat."


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Name for us two scandals .

One in which a Republican was caught with his pants down and gets away with it.

And one in which a Democrat is caught so , and must go?
Title: Wicker man movies
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on November 05, 2006, 08:06:39 PM
The original Wicker Man was as perfect a film as I have ever seen. They were wrong to remake it, and any changes they may have made it I am sure were for the worse.

In the original, it is a clash between societies: the British society of the inspector played by Lee and the society of the Island, which was pagan and no less logical.

I haven't seen the new version, and I don't know if I really want to.

I am pretty sure that I wouldn't want to se a remake of Little Big Man or Groundhog Day or Easy Rider, either.
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Plane on November 05, 2006, 08:15:05 PM
"Litte Big Man" is one of my favoriate Books , not a bad movie either.

Would you want to see a sequal based on the second "Little Big  Man" book?
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: sirs on November 05, 2006, 08:18:22 PM
Name for us two scandals .

One in which a Republican was caught with his pants down and gets away with it.

And one in which a Democrat is caught so , and must go?


This should be interesting
Title: Re: 13 Reasons to vote Republican on Nov. 7
Post by: Plane on November 05, 2006, 09:01:05 PM
Name for us two scandals .

One in which a Republican was caught with his pants down and gets away with it.

And one in which a Democrat is caught so , and must go?


This should be interesting


I actually know that this can be done because I have two in mind.

But I am wondering how many such pairs can be made?