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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: syrmark59 on November 05, 2006, 11:46:07 AM
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Today was a disaster for the GOP on Meet the Press.
It wasn't bad enough that Tom Reynolds squirmed, danced and embarassed himself when put on the spot for the highly deceptive ads funded by the RNCC which he chairs.
Liddy Dole's comments that the Democratic Party was willing to "accept defeat in Iraq" were absolutely shameful.
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Liddy Dole's comments that the Democratic Party was willing to "accept defeat in Iraq" were absolutely shameful.
I agree .
She should have qualified that statement by saying some members of the Democrat Party are willing to accept defeat.
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Liddy Dole's comments that the Democratic Party was willing to "accept defeat in Iraq" were absolutely shameful.
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Can you find for us a Democratic canadate who is saying that we should not accept defeat in Iraq?
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It is absolutely essential, in a comprehensive review of policy regarding the conflict with violent, radical Islam, to consider whether a "win" in the overall struggle necessarily entails a "win" in Iraq as the president envisions. It's extremely complex. Deft minds must bear on the problem. It is NOT just a matter of "fight to the bitter end" ... for a Pyrrhic victory, if it could even be called that.
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I'm willing to accept defeat, if it means saving our troops. We seem not to be aware that it could be very, very much worse. That all our troops there are at risk, that there is no plan for removing them if things got very bad very quickly. We need those troops to fight again another day.
Survival is more important than a stupid and stubborn avowal that we'll stay the course.
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A convinceing win might well make further fighting less necessacery.
Osama has been preaching for years that America has no paitence and can therefore be beaten by a persistant enemy.
We can leave Iraq , we can give Osama 95% of what he wants , and for the sake of the rest they would continue to attack.
This seems like a situation in which retreat not only makes you live to fight another day , it forces you to fight another day .
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Then start up the draft. Pay war taxes. Anything less is unacceptable. If you really think this war MUST be won, what are you doing here at home? What on earth could be more important than your country? There are people over 50 years of age, being called back to serve. This is crazy.
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Is it lost on the GOPers that this was a country that not even Saddam was entirely in control of?
A "convincing win" at this point would equate a total occupation of Iraq. And a story recently released indicates that even with a force of 400K, we could have what we have today;
nothing short of chaos.
Please stop and think about that- even with a brutal dictatorship, Saddam could not even control all of Iraq.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15570330/
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Is it lost on the GOPers that this was a country that not even Saddam was entirely in control of?
100% election result return for Saddam to remain Commander and Dictator of Iraq, and he didn't have control of nearly all of Iraq? Oh wait, you're right, there was this 10 square acre of desert in the Kurdish north, that he didn't have entire control of. My mistate
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Is it lost on the GOPers that this was a country that not even Saddam was entirely in control of?
Accepting defeat is one thing. Lanya was honest in admitting she would prefer that.
Controlling the entire country is quite another and is not synomynous with victory.
There are parts of this country not entrirely under government control, though they could take it, if necesary, i suppose.
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Then start up the draft. Pay war taxes. Anything less is unacceptable. If you really think this war MUST be won, what are you doing here at home? What on earth could be more important than your country? There are people over 50 years of age, being called back to serve. This is crazy.
My Job is war essential.
I have had war related jobs almost all of my career.
Your welcome.
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Is it lost on the GOPers that this was a country that not even Saddam was entirely in control of?
100% election result return for Saddam to remain Commander and Dictator of Iraq, and he didn't have control of nearly all of Iraq? Oh wait, you're right, there was this 10 square acre of desert in the Kurdish north, that he didn't have entire control of. My mistate
So then you admit that Iraq was better off with Saddam in control?
I agree, it was. I don't remember EVER hearing about any of our soldiers being killed there daily let alone 600,000 Iraqis in 3 years.
True, Saddam did kill about 300,000 to 400,000 people in his reign but it took him nearly 30 YEARS to do it! (Let me spin it for you. The USA IS NUMBER ONE! WE CAN KILL FASTER THAN SADDAM!)
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My Job is war essential.
I have had war related jobs almost all of my career.
Your welcome.
So, what you're saying is that you MADE A LIVING off wars. Not that you've fought in any or paid war taxes or anything? I'm just asking.
Why does Lanya owe you thanks for you're having turned a dollar from wars?
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True, Saddam did kill about 300,000 to 400,000 people in his reign but it took him nearly 30 YEARS to do it! (Let me spin it for you. The USA IS NUMBER ONE! WE CAN KILL FASTER THAN SADDAM!)
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Where did you get that figure?
I would have expected one or two million.
300k would not even be the cost of his first year of war with Iran.
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My Job is war essential.
I have had war related jobs almost all of my career.
Your welcome.
So, what you're saying is that you MADE A LIVING off wars. Not that you've fought in any or paid war taxes or anything? I'm just asking.
Why does Lanya owe you thanks for you're having turned a dollar from wars?
What I do must be done.
Would you like to replace me?
No ?
Your welcome.
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Then start up the draft. Pay war taxes. Anything less is unacceptable. If you really think this war MUST be won, what are you doing here at home? What on earth could be more important than your country? There are people over 50 years of age, being called back to serve. This is crazy.
My Job is war essential.
I have had war related jobs almost all of my career.
Your welcome.
I'm sorry, Plane. I deserved that.
My dad was quite a bit older than other dads of my friends, and he didn't fight in WW2. I asked why one time. During the war I believe he was a printing press operator, or that's what I remember being told. I guess that was a protected job.
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But you did get paid right?
Are you in the military?
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But you did get paid right?
Are you in the military?
My job does not directly kill anyone , never has been that.
But I have made certain that F-15s would fire their missles.
I have made certain that Paratroopers could jump from C-141s
I have ensured that the Fuel would flow in an AC-130.
Back when I was in the military my job was to keep my ship afloat and in good condition to bombard a beach with 5" shells weighing seventy five pounds each.
None of these are good career choices for a Mennonite , good thing I am Babtist (mostly).
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But for what is it that Lanya owes you her gratitude?
When you use the term "job", I'm assuming that you are NOT in the military NOW but work for some kind of military contractor. Is this a correct assumption? Because you would have been profiting from the military and not really making any sacrifice as Lanya had said you might consider if you support the war so much. Paying war taxes (as opposed to supporting tax breaks) and joining the military (to actually fight and be "over there") is sacrifice.
Working for a military contractor which makes a profit from our tax dollars and actually BENEFITS from more wars and more military action is NOT sacrifice, is NOT moral support for the troops or involvement in the struggle and conflict that out military faces daily due to your liar of a "president".
The military industrial complex (not you in particular, I'm sure) actually HOPES for wars because they see their stocks rise. Which to me is about as abhorrent as child rape. Without even getting into the whole aspect of their needing the wars that they push for to be seen as "moral" or "righteous" or "in the interests of the US" in order to keep The People from not stringing them up for pushing for wars.
So, I'm just asking you if you are in the military or if you just work for a company that contracts with the military because if you work for a military contractor who supplies the troops or whatever, there is no reason in the whole universe that Lanya or anyone for that matter owes you a debt of gratitude on top of your check.
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I am a blue collar employee of the US government .
A WG of the DOD
My chain of Command includes Secretary Rumsfeild and a coupple of ignoramuses you would not beleive without seeing them , see my other thread about where I work.
I was enlisted for a little while and got to tour the Persian Gulf twice , I don't reccomend it while so much fighting is going on , but if peace ever comes to the region the SCUBA diveing there will be excellent.
If your point is that I am well paid , then you are right , but I love my job above my pay for two reasons , I love Aircraft , I like the idea of my country being strong.
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So then you admit that Iraq was better off with Saddam in control?
Better for Saddam, absolutely. For the citizens living in an overt oppressive dictatorship?, Government sponsored rape rooms?, mandatory youth military Baath enrollment or jail?, being shot or dismembered for daring to criticize the President? Does that even require an answer?
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My job does not directly kill anyone , never has been that.
But I have made certain that F-15s would fire their missles.
I have made certain that Paratroopers could jump from C-141s
I have ensured that the Fuel would flow in an AC-130.
Back when I was in the military my job was to keep my ship afloat and in good condition to bombard a beach with 5" shells weighing seventy five pounds each.
None of these are good career choices for a Mennonite , good thing I am Babtist (mostly).
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In your dreams, what you do must be done.
It makes no difference where that beach was, it just needed shelling. The people living there deserved to die. It is a good thing that you were there to kill them, otherwise, they might have.....
done what, exactly?
Not been targets? Sneaked into the US and taken American Jobs?
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How would that have affected any of us in the least? (Other than us having to pay through the noise for the F-15's and the bombs and all that wasted fuel), I mean)
Even if you did not work for the current Fascist War Machine, you would have found a job somewhere. The folks at the local Wall*Mart would still have their jobs.
I think you should either choose to be a mennonite (you can spell Mennonite) or learn how to spell Baptist.
It is always best never to be anything you cannot spell.
War is a business. A huge, whacking, destructive stupid business that always has a negative balance sheet.
Had there been no US intervention in Afghanistan, the USSR would have still lost, it would have still collapsed. There would have been no Al Qaeda, and bin Laden would be behind a desk somewhere, ordering Pakis about.
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It is always best never to be anything you cannot spell.
Still continuing to criticize spelling errors, while making them yourself?
And the new software even has a spelling checker built in. It's a wonder that you continue to make spelling errors.
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Is it true that a weak America would still be a free America?
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Is it true that a weak America would still be a free America?
See my Reagan quote a the bottom, for that answer 8)
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I am a blue collar employee of the US government .
Ok, that's cool. So you're like a support person for the military. That's not nearly as horrible as being a military contractor.
However, I don't see how you make that out to be something that we thank you for on top of paying you.
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I am a blue collar employee of the US government .
Ok, that's cool. So you're like a support person for the military. That's not nearly as horrible as being a military contractor.
However, I don't see how you make that out to be something that we thank you for on top of paying you.
"...So, I'm just asking you if you are in the military or if you just work for a company that contracts with the military because if you work for a military contractor who supplies the troops or whatever, there is no reason in the whole universe that Lanya or anyone for that matter owes you a debt of gratitude on top of your check."
Well since you put it that way .
Thank You
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De nada, mi amigo. De nada.
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XO, for someone who is obviously bright and apparently at one time a college professor, your attitudes are sometimes both erroneous and negligent. And your language is unseemly. If you used that type of language in the classroom, I wonder about the classroom environment. My mother always said that if you consistently use swear words, what does THAT say about your vocabulary?
As far as spelling, so what? I tell students all the time that I am more concerned about the CONTENT of their work than the formatting. Content is their future; they can always brush up on formatting. Plane misspells some; but he frequently posts thought-provoking comments.
Without being strong, a nation cannot stand. Think you would be speaking anything but German if we weren't strong 80 years ago...50 years ago et al? Sprechen Sie Deutsch?