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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on November 05, 2006, 07:52:18 PM
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We have recently had a change of Bosses.
Yesterday an e-mail between them was rather disrespectfull of our first line supervisors and also disrespectfull of our rank and file .
They mention that 29.5 percent of us were off one evening , that is 1 in 5.
They say that it the inmates shouldn't run the prison.
I am wearing my employee number on the frount and back of my shirt today .
Tomorrow I am wearing a striped shirt.
The EEO has already been here.
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?? Sounds like there's a picture attached to the post. But I didn't see a picture.
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?? Sounds like there's a picture attached to the post. But I didn't see a picture.
I have never inflicted my visage on the membership .
Crocat or the Professor could tell you what I look like , but mercy ought to spare you such a harrowing ordeal .
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I coulda sworn the first time I read that post that there was something about what your workplace looked like, as if an attachment were showing it. That's my mistake.
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http://www.afgelocal987.org/
http://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=Robins+AFB+Georgia&t=k&om=1&z=17&ll
(http://www.afmc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/060630-F-2383G-041.JPG)
http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123022808
(http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/images/robbins_afb_adm_bldg)
http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Robins_AFB.htm
(http://www.defenselink.mil/transformation/images/photos/2006-06/Hi-Res/060629-F-0001S-003.jpg)
http://www.echo9er.net/blog/?m=200606
(http://www2.hurlburt.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/web_030303-F-0000G-004.jpg)
Robins C-130 team reaching accelerated goals
Gunshp Upgrades
HURLBURT FIELD, Fla. -- Tech. Sgt. Paul McAllister marshals an AC-130U gunship Sept. 13. The plane was evacuating because of Hurricane Ivan. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Kimberly Gilligan) Download Full Image | E-mail a friend
The AC-130H Spectre gunship's primary missions are close air support, air interdiction and armed reconnaissance. Other missions include perimeter and point defense, escort, landing, drop and extraction zone support, forward air control, limited command and control, and combat search and rescue. These heavily armed aircraft incorporate side-firing weapons integrated with sophisticated sensor, navigation and fire control systems to provide surgical firepower or area saturation during extended periods, at night and in adverse weather. The sensor suite consists of a low-light-level television sensor and an infrared sensor. Radar and electronic sensors also give the gunship a method of positively identifying friendly ground forces as well as effective ordnance delivery during adverse weather conditions. Navigational devices include an inertial navigation system and global positioning system. Download Full Image | E-mail a friend
ROBINS AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. -- The C-130 production branch at Robins Air Force Base, Ga., was asked by Air Force Special Operations Command officials to accelerate work on four aircraft and get them back to the warfighter. The four aircraft include one AC-130H gunship and three MC-130 Combat Talon IIs. (U.S. Air Force photo by Sue Sapp) Download Full Image | E-mail a friend
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http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/states/georgia/counties/houston_peach/16071207.htm
E-mails at RAFB draw fire
Union official calls for action after messages about Hispanics
By Gene Rector
TELEGRAPH STAFF WRITER
ROBINS AIR FORCE BASE - An official from American Federation of Government Employees Local 987 is calling for removal of one Robins Air Force Base supervisor and suspension of another after the two exchanged e-mails containing derogatory comments about Hispanic workers.
The Local 987 publication, The Union Advocate, said last week that James Yasechko, a C-130 Production Division supervisor, referred to a Hispanic worker as "one of the immigrant child labor folks we hired last month" in an e-mail to David Mann, the C-130 Squadron leader.
Mann, responding to the comment and apparently to a large number of people on leave or vacation, replied, "We cannot continue to let the inmates run the prison." The union paper said the e-mails were eventually shared with AFGE and hundreds of employees. Local 987 is the bargaining unit for most civilian employees at Robins.
Tom Scott, union president, said Yasechko's comments should be a removable offense, and Mann deserves a suspension. Neither Yasechko nor Mann could be reached for comment.
"Mann didn't correct Yasechko on his e-mail," Scott said Tuesday. "He just followed with more derogatory comments. He never said the comments were inappropriate. That's how he should have responded."
Doug Keene, vice director of the 402nd Maintenance Wing, confirmed the e-mail exchange. He said the language was "regrettable" and "does not represent the way our employees feel about each other or the way management feels about the employees."
Keene added that base officials were not at odds with the union on the incident. "We completely agree that the verbiage used is unacceptable," he said.
Keene would not comment on actions the base might take against the two supervisors. "They have a right to their privacy," he said, "but I can say that we have a zero tolerance for any issues like this. The appropriate action will be taken, but it's not something we can comment on."
He said the two managers made an immediate apology to individuals and groups of workers in the C-130 production area.
"We also had a wingman day last Thursday and they publicly apologized," Keene said.
The aircraft maintenance director said he hoped that something positive can come from the incident.
"At Robins we have put our heart, soul, money and commitment into putting people first and mission always," Keene emphasized. "We believe if we invest the right things in our people and treat them right, they'll accomplish the mission."
Scott said production and morale in the C-130 area had taken a "tremendous drop" because of increased workload and the management style.
"They (supervisors) may not say it openly, but the e-mails capture their whole intent," the union leader said. "Employees just don't have support from management in that area."
Scott said the union would work with base officials to "begin a healing process" and correct other problems in C-130 production.
"We need to have a Lean event to improve the process, get production up, get morale up and build team unity down there," he said. "The union doesn't condone these kind of comments, and we put the article out to make sure action would be taken against those managers."
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To contact Gene Rector, call 923-3109, extension 239, or e-mail grector@macontel.com.
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I went to work wearing stripes and my employee number over my pocket and on my back.
One of our Hispanic guys wore a big .5 on his back.
Hehehehehe
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plane, sure looks as if you, unlike the undersigned, are a bona fide dues-paying member of the working class who oughta be beating the drums for workers' revolution instead of defending the multi-billionaire coupon-clippers who live off your labour. WTF happened to ya? to the whole working class? (Don't answer, the questions are semi-rhetorical and semi-humourous . . . my little joke.)
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BTW, Plane, I'm planning on visiting the air museum there in the spring. I'll let you know closer to the time I'll be driving down, maybe we can get together for dinner or something...
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plane, sure looks as if you, unlike the undersigned, are a bona fide dues-paying member of the working class who oughta be beating the drums for workers' revolution instead of defending the multi-billionaire coupon-clippers who live off your labour. WTF happened to ya? to the whole working class? (Don't answer, the questions are semi-rhetorical and semi-humourous . . . my little joke.)
Take care when makeing assumptions reguarding the mindset of the blue collar , I have actually witnessed a game of chess played between two mechanics.
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?? Sounds like there's a picture attached to the post. But I didn't see a picture.
I have never inflicted my visage on the membership .
Crocat or the Professor could tell you what I look like , but mercy ought to spare you such a harrowing ordeal .
and as I recall, you are quite a visage of beauty (in a manly way of course).
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<<Take care when makeing assumptions reguarding the mindset of the blue collar , I have actually witnessed a game of chess played between two mechanics.>>
Hey. Play fair. I'd never say the working class couldn't or didn't play chess, even in a joke. I was satirizing their political interests or lack thereof, not their intelligence.
BTW, I don't believe I thanked you for those posts. They were interesting. Thanks.
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They mention that 29.5 percent of us were off one evening , that is 1 in 5.
They say that it the inmates shouldn't run the prison.
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Actually that is really almost 3 out of 10, or 1.5 of 5
I think I would be rather pissed to hear myself referred to as a prisoner at any place where I worked.
The people who do most of the work usually know a lot more than their supervisors. I know that professors know more about students than most administrators.
The president of my university insists on teaching a freshman class every semester, and that is a good thing. But he is a very rare exception.
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I like the .5, lol.
And what a cool plane! When I was little, all I wanted to do was build or fly planes. I hammered boards together and painted dials on them. Then I turned 3 and had to go to ballet lessons, what a damn waste of money.
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They mention that 29.5 percent of us were off one evening , that is 1 in 5.
They say that it the inmates shouldn't run the prison.
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Actually that is really almost 3 out of 10, or 1.5 of 5
>> I know, this situation is full of delightfull details.<<
I think I would be rather pissed to hear myself referred to as a prisoner at any place where I worked.
>>You shoul have heard the comments of the Mechanics who have actually done time <<
The people who do most of the work usually know a lot more than their supervisors. I know that professors know more about students than most administrators.
>> so true , this is a generally applicable principal , but in practice the new Boss likes to show up kicking but and makeing a diffrence , no matter how successfull the previous year was.<<
The president of my university insists on teaching a freshman class every semester, and that is a good thing. But he is a very rare exception.
>> Once a Colonel showed up on my Aircraft and I invited him to help install a cable , he really did help ,he really got exausted and I didn't see him again.<<
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I like the .5, lol.
And what a cool plane! When I was little, all I wanted to do was build or fly planes. I hammered boards together and painted dials on them. Then I turned 3 and had to go to ballet lessons, what a damn waste of money.
The C-130 is one of the best of all the general purpose aircraft in the world , it was designed before I was born and it is very ordinary for me to be working on a Plane origionally built when I was four.
The C-130 has been used to spray mousquito poison and to drop bombs and to put out fires and to fire on enemy on the ground to refuel helicopters and to snag men right off the ground , no other aircraft has been so amenible to modifacation to specialised roles and few have been used so much for cargo carrying.
(http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/c130_043.jpg)(http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/ac130_54.jpg)
(http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/c130_062.jpg)(http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/ac130_01.jpg)
(http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/c130_227.jpg)(http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/mc130_47.jpg)
http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/
Background
Four decades have elapsed since the Air Force issued its original design specification, yet the remarkable C-130 remains in production. The initial production model was the C-130A, with four Allison T56-A-11 or -9 turboprops. A total of 219 were ordered and deliveries began in December 1956. The C-130B introduced Allison T56-A-7 turboprops and the first of 134 entered Air Force service in May 1959.
Introduced in August of 1962, the 389 C-130E's that were ordered used the same Allison T56-A-7 engine, but added two 1,290 gallon external fuel tanks and an increased maximum takeoff weight capability. June 1974 introduced the first of 308 C-130H's with the more powerful Allison T56-A-15 turboprop engine. Nearly identical to the C-130E externally, the new engine brought major performance improvements to the aircraft.
Maximum Normal Payload:
C-130E, 36,500 pounds (16,590 kilograms)
C-130H, 36,500 pounds (16,590 kilograms)
C-130J, 34,000 pounds (15,422 kilograms)
C-130J-30, 36,000 pounds (16,329 kilograms)
Range at Maximum Normal Payload:
C-130E, 1,150 miles (1,000 nautical miles)
C-130H, 1,208 miles (1,050 nautical miles)
C-130J, 2,071 miles (1,800 nautical miles)
C-130J-30, 1,956 miles (1,700 nautical miles)
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=92
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?? Sounds like there's a picture attached to the post. But I didn't see a picture.
I have never inflicted my visage on the membership .
Crocat or the Professor could tell you what I look like , but mercy ought to spare you such a harrowing ordeal .
and as I recall, you are quite a visage of beauty (in a manly way of course).
An eight year old lives here .
Yesterday morning he gleefully produced a history book and showed me a picture of Grover Cleveland .
I didn't understand his enthusiasm until he said , "He looks like you Mr. Mike!"
(http://www.mackinac.org/media/images/2005/povertygrover.jpg)
(http://tfp.killbots.com/fanart/bofr/051_grover-cleveland.png)
Gotta start trimming that moustashe.
(http://www.classicbuffalo.com/images/history/GroverCleveland.jpg)
And the weight.
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I have the short video of the flares being let off. I love it.
here is Hercules and of course something fast an snazzy
I think that Grover ain't a bad looking guy
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Well, if I ever get really incredibly rich, I want a C-130.
Yum.
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http://www.spar.ca/downloads/SparBrochure_english.pdf
The Non government competition , willing to flat out lie.
"SPAR is the only authorized Lockheed Hercules Service Centre
in North America, other than Lockheed itself."
Phooey!
Slick website tho , these projects are also happening at Robbins AFB but i notice Robbins isn't mentioned.
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Well, if I ever get really incredibly rich, I want a C-130.
Yum.
Unit Cost $22.9 million (1992 dollars).
Useed ones are sold at auction.
"Beginning in FY 1996, the Air Force started procuring C-130Js as replacements for the older C-130Es and Hs. Priority for replacement will be combat delivery aircraft. C-130J will ensure total force structure numbers are maintained, while reducing costs of ownership. The current program procures 12 C-130Js, i.e., two per year from FY96 to FY01. This program could be expanded in FY02 to procure 12 C-130Js a year to replace the active duty and ARC C-130Es which are nearing the end of their useable service life. "
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130.htm
Buyer beware , the used ones are very rough in spots.
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Oh dear, that much?
I want to ride in one, then. It can drop me off in France while it's at it. (As long as I'm wishing...)
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remember my husband worked on the wingbox tool for the c-130 along time ago....
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&sid=cp109MX0Er&refer=&r_n=hr504.109&db_id=109&item=&sel=TOC_162507&
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remember my husband worked on the wingbox tool for the c-130 along time ago....
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&sid=cp109MX0Er&refer=&r_n=hr504.109&db_id=109&item=&sel=TOC_162507&
The C-130 is due for another big wingbox change would he like to consult with the jig builders at Robbins?
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The C-130 is due for another big wingbox change would he like to consult with the jig builders at Robbins?
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That is what that url is about... $$$$
but that was a different time and a different life, Mike. Now we are living in Florida and he does renovations. Much better for his mind and body.