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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: hnumpah on August 19, 2008, 10:04:27 AM
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Now THAT is hilarious.
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And that's the trick....make McCain out to be Bush III. With the overt help of the MSM, it should be a piece of cake
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<<And that's the trick....make McCain out to be Bush III.>>
Nah - - not even Bush I or II could be lampooned with that definition of marriage - - " the union of a man and a billionaire beer distributor who doesn't talk much" - - now that is uniquely McCain.
It's only the other 95 % of McCain that is Bush III material.
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Don't think Cindy McCain is a billionaire. Kerry's wife Teresa is much closer to that figure. Say didn't Kerry get divorced too? And wasn't he a Catholic?
What's up with that?
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<<Say didn't Kerry get divorced too? And wasn't he a Catholic?
<<What's up with that?>>
Kerry wasn't angling for the conservative Christian vote. And didn't get it either.
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<<Say didn't Kerry get divorced too? And wasn't he a Catholic?
<<What's up with that?>>
Kerry wasn't angling for the conservative Christian vote. And didn't get it either.
There is a good question .
What vote was Kerry expecting to get?
Other than the anti Bush , which anyone could get.
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<<What vote was Kerry expecting to get?
<<Other than the anti Bush , which anyone could get.>>
The anti-war vote?
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<<What vote was Kerry expecting to get?
<<Other than the anti Bush , which anyone could get.>>
The anti-war vote?
Part of the anti -Bush parcel these two sets overlap so much that the set of those that are not both is very small.
So all of these voters he was expecting to get were people wo were determined to vote against Bush before the Dem canadate was ever named?
This strikes me as a problem.
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Thus the current perpetual campaign dead horse......"vote for me, I'm not Bush"
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Thus the current perpetual campaign dead horse......"vote for me, I'm not Bush"
It looks like the number one appeal , but has it lost any freshness since Kerry?
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With the overt help of the MSM, it should be a oiece of cake
'Twas a cake McCain baked himself.
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"The anti-war vote?"
Boy that sure worked out well didn't it?
Make the 2004 election about Iraq and what happened?
President Bush received the most votes of any US Presidential candidate in history.
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<<So all of these voters he was expecting to get were people wo were determined to vote against Bush before the Dem canadate was ever named?
<<This strikes me as a problem.>>
What's the problem? That voters will vote on principle rather than personality?
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<<Boy that [angling for the anti-war vote] sure worked out well didn't it?
<<Make the 2004 election about Iraq and what happened?>>
I know what happened. Republicans stole the election. Again.
<<President Bush received the most votes of any US Presidential candidate in history.>>
So what? that's only because of a big turnout. His margin wasn't the biggest margin of any US Presidential candidate in history. Besides a lot of the Democratic votes were sabotaged. Bush was NOT a legitimate winner.
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LOL
sad really
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Truly
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BT: <<sad, really>>
Little sir echo: <<truly>>
The hankies are out in force. The charges of election theft are . . . (hello, Crypto-Fascist Central? Election theft charges? . . . Thank you.) . . . sad, really. Truly.
It's only a matter of time before the truly creative and independent-minded add their own individual embellishments:
<<Pathetic actually.>>
<<Yes, truly . . . pathetic.>>
You guys are funnier than a lot of the professional comics I see on TV. You should get yourselves an agent.
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You guys are funnier than a lot of the professional comics I see on TV. You should get yourselves an agent.
And you have a talent for writing fiction.
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Besides a lot of the Democratic votes were sabotaged.
Show me one.
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<<Show me one.>>
I'll show ya lots. The black guys who were stopped in their vehicles on Election Day by Florida State Troopers who "chose" that day out of all 366 in the year to conduct a "random" felony check on (mostly black) drivers. The thousands who were "erroneously" purged as felons from the voters' rolls by the private, Republican-owned corporation "hired" by the State of Florida to purge the rolls of felons. By some huge coincidence, most of the "errors" in purging happened to blacks but not to Hispanics. Strange, huh? The "defective" voting machines which showed up in the poorest (blackest) areas of the state.
Well, of course that doesn't HAVE to add up to sabotage of the black vote. It could just be coincidence piled on coincidence piled on coincidence. Yeah. THAT'S what it must be. Coincidence.
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<<Show me one.>>
I'll show ya lots. The black guys who were stopped in their vehicles on Election Day by Florida State Troopers who "chose" that day out of all 366 in the year to conduct a "random" felony check on (mostly black) drivers. The thousands who were "erroneously" purged as felons from the voters' rolls by the private, Republican-owned corporation "hired" by the State of Florida to purge the rolls of felons. By some huge coincidence, most of the "errors" in purging happened to blacks but not to Hispanics. Strange, huh? The "defective" voting machines which showed up in the poorest (blackest) areas of the state.
Well, of course that doesn't HAVE to add up to sabotage of the black vote. It could just be coincidence piled on coincidence piled on coincidence. Yeah. THAT'S what it must be. Coincidence.
No coincidence involved at all , the districts of Florida with the greatest consentratons of Balck voters uniformly have Democratic election comissions , all of the districts in which complaints were found have Democratic Sheriffs and Democrats determining what the ballot will look like , Democrats decideing even what balloting machjine should be bought , no complaints of this nature originate in districts run by Republican election comissions.
No co-incidence ,uniformly better competance in Republican run districts , that is all.
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In other words Plane, what you're implying is that whatever coincidence is present, has a decidely Democratic theme?? :o Say it ain't so
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<<No coincidence involved at all , the districts of Florida with the greatest consentratons of Balck voters uniformly have Democratic election comissions , all of the districts in which complaints were found have Democratic Sheriffs and Democrats determining what the ballot will look like , Democrats decideing even what balloting machjine should be bought , no complaints of this nature originate in districts run by Republican election comissions.>>
Now I get it. So the Democratic election commissions had the power to order the Florida State Police to conduct "random" spot-checks of drivers on Election Day of all days. Coincidentally of course. Jeb Bush must have delegated his power to them for the day. And of course, the Republican firm hired to purge the voter rolls of "felons" or suspected felons or possible felons or anyone who might look like a felon and be black, that firm was hired, not by the Republican state administration of Jeb Bush, but by a conglomerate of Democratic county commissioners. Interesting. Very few people realize that key fact. You should publish your findings. The "defective" Diebold election machines I don't know the real scoop on, but it's just too cute and too pat to say that the county commissioners of Democratic counties knowingly ordered these machines that wouldn't count their supporters' votes - - something is amiss here, stinks like a barrel of rotted fish, in fact, but needs a little more work to expose the actual mechanisms used.
Bottom line: the Republicans stole the fucking election and the lame excuses made to deny that fact are believable only to the truly committed Republicans who don't give a shit what the facts are, they will manufacture new facts as needed for as long as needed to try to wriggle off the hook. But they can't.
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Jeb Bush must have delegated his power to them for the day. And of course, the Republican firm hired to purge the voter rolls of "felons" or suspected felons or possible felons or anyone who might look like a felon and be black, that firm was hired, not by the Republican state administration of Jeb Bush, but by a conglomerate of Democratic county commissioners. Interesting. Very few people realize that key fact.
I don't know why few people realize that fact. But if memory serves the purge of voter registration and the contract were ordered by legislative act which at the time was controlled by the dems. I don't think Jeb was governor when the bill passed.
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<<I don't know why few people realize that fact. But if memory serves the purge of voter registration and the contract were ordered by legislative act which at the time was controlled by the dems. I don't think Jeb was governor when the bill passed.>>
Really, and I suppose Jeb was bound by the legislation to select a Republican firm to do the purging, one which would ensure that plenty of "mistakes" would be made and that almost every one of the "mistakes" would wrongfully exclude a voter who would just happen to be a person of colour. Coincidentally of course.
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Really, and I suppose Jeb was bound by the legislation to select a Republican firm to do the purging, one which would ensure that plenty of "mistakes" would be made and that almost every one of the "mistakes" would wrongfully exclude a voter who would just happen to be a person of colour. Coincidentally of course.
Apparently the contract was given out in 1998. True Jeb was elected in 98 but didn't take office until 99 and neither did Catherine Harris. I believe Lawton Chiles (D) was Governor at the time.
The state signed in 1998 a $4 million contract with DBT Online, since merged into ChoicePoint, of Atlanta. The creation of the scrub list, called the central voter file, was mandated by a 1998 state voter fraud law, which followed a tumultuous year that saw Miami's mayor removed after voter fraud in the election, with dead people discovered to have cast ballots. The voter fraud law required all 67 counties to purge voter registries of duplicate registrations, deceased voters and felons, many of whom, but not all, are barred from voting in Florida.
This from Greg Palast.
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In case you are wondering, DBTOnline was founded by Hank Asher.
This Hank Asher:
Asher has made considerable donations to US political parties and candidates amounting to US$735,000 from 1999 to 2004 including US$505,000 to the Democrats. [9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Asher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Asher)
So while you try to misrepresent the roles of Bush and Harris with the voter purge a glance through the looking glass shows that in fact the dems were up to their eyeballs in the affair.
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D'OH........stop with the facts Bt. Remember? Liberals?, Facts?, Kriptonite?
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<<No coincidence involved at all , the districts of Florida with the greatest consentratons of Balck voters uniformly have Democratic election comissions , all of the districts in which complaints were found have Democratic Sheriffs and Democrats determining what the ballot will look like , Democrats decideing even what balloting machjine should be bought , no complaints of this nature originate in districts run by Republican election comissions.>>
Now I get it. So the Democratic election commissions had the power to order the Florida State Police to conduct "random" spot-checks of drivers on Election Day of all days. Coincidentally of course. Jeb Bush must have delegated his power to them for the day. And of course, the Republican firm hired to purge the voter rolls of "felons" or suspected felons or possible felons or anyone who might look like a felon and be black, that firm was hired, not by the Republican state administration of Jeb Bush, but by a conglomerate of Democratic county commissioners. Interesting. Very few people realize that key fact. You should publish your findings. The "defective" Diebold election machines I don't know the real scoop on, but it's just too cute and too pat to say that the county commissioners of Democratic counties knowingly ordered these machines that wouldn't count their supporters' votes - - something is amiss here, stinks like a barrel of rotted fish, in fact, but needs a little more work to expose the actual mechanisms used.
Bottom line: the Republicans stole the fucking election and the lame excuses made to deny that fact are believable only to the truly committed Republicans who don't give a shit what the facts are, they will manufacture new facts as needed for as long as needed to try to wriggle off the hook. But they can't.
Fine , find me one of these complaints that did not happen in a Democraticly controlled district , as far as I know not even one of these various complaints originated in a Republican controlled district , and this is not a co-incidence at all.
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OUCH, ......on that last toon