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Title: non-college educated women
Post by: BT on September 06, 2008, 11:28:31 PM
 To counter Palin, Obama to dispatch female surrogates
By Patrick Healy and Jeff Zeleny
Friday, September 5, 2008

ST. PAUL: Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Governor Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and creating a rapid-response team to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said on Thursday.

Clinton's campaign event in Florida, her first for Obama since the Democratic convention last month, will include a forceful response to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Palin injected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday night, Obama aides said.

With the McCain-Palin team courting undecided female voters, including some who backed Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Obama aides say they are counting on not only Clinton but also Democratic female governors to criticize their Alaskan counterpart, Palin — and, by extension, McCain — including Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

Still, within the Obama campaign and among Democratic officials nationwide, talks are well under way about how the party should treat Palin in the final two months of the campaign — and what Obama and his running mate, Senator Joseph Biden Jr. of Delaware, need to do to regain the offensive after the Republican convention.

Some Democrats were urging Obama's campaign not to underestimate the potential power of Palin's electrifying speech to the Republican convention on Wednesday night even among voters not aligned with either party: On liberal talk-radio shows and on left-leaning blogs on Thursday, some Democrats fretted that the Obama campaign should fight back hard to avoid being caricatured as Senator John Kerry was four years ago. And some party strategists warned that Palin's personal narrative, as a "hockey mom" with a special-needs child, would appeal to some undecided women voters.

"What McCain has done with Governor Palin's nomination is aim right at a demographic that Obama needs to address quickly  non-college educated women," said Mike McCurry, a former spokesman in the Clinton White House. "They need to maximize Biden's ability to reach out to them, but at the end of the day it is Obama who has to get that very, very critical group."

Senior advisers to Obama predicted that the initial buzz over Palin would fade and the race would quickly turn back into a contest between Senators McCain and Obama, despite the McCain campaign's efforts to compare Obama's experience unfavorably to Palin's while promoting her presence on the ticket. At the same time, even as Democratic researchers continue poring over Palin's record in Alaska, the rapid response team is being formed in Chicago to dispatch women surrogates around the country.

David Axelrod, the campaign's chief political strategist, said Obama would not raise questions about Palin's experience. Instead, the campaign would work to impress upon voters the seriousness of the race and continue its attempt to link the McCain-Palin team to President George W. Bush.

While Obama did not aggressively challenge Palin in the wake of her withering attack on Wednesday night, his advisers opened a new line of criticism on Thursday to brand her as part of the Republican establishment.

"For someone who makes the point that she's not from Washington, she looked very much like she'd fit in very well there when you see how she brings the attacks," Axelrod said. "They all felt very familiar to Americans who are used to this kind of thing from Washington."

Advisers to Clinton, who has been on vacation this week, said that she stands ready to help the Obama-Biden ticket, but they urged not to overestimate the effect she could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall, like campaigning and raising money for Senate candidates.

Still, Mo Elleithee, a spokesman for Clinton, said she could make a difference with some voters who feel lost in the current economy and who want to see a federal role enacting universal health insurance.

"Anyone who was inclined to support Hillary Clinton typically did so because of her focus on middle-class, bread-and-butter issues," he said. "Her message for Barack Obama on those issues could certainly help the Democratic ticket at the ballot box."

The Obama camp also plans to keep Biden campaigning steadily in such battleground states as Pennsylvania and Ohio. Obama advisers said that one advantage they already have is that Biden, as a six-term senator and former presidential candidate, is well-prepared for his debate with Palin in October, and that she will have to stay off the trail for more time to train for it.

With both conventions seen largely as successes for their tickets, the importance of the three presidential debates  the first of which is on Sept. 26  and the one vice-presidential debate become even more crucial for either side to gain a political advantage, Democratic strategists and elected officials said.

Obama, speaking to reporters on Thursday during a campaign stop in York, Pennsylvania, brushed aside any worry he might have about Palin's criticism of his biography and political record.

"I've been called worse on the basketball court, so it's not that big of a deal," he said.

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Title: Re: non-college educated women
Post by: Michael Tee on September 07, 2008, 09:39:40 AM
<<Obama, speaking to reporters on Thursday during a campaign stop in York, Pennsylvania, brushed aside any worry he might have about Palin's criticism of his biography and political record.

<<"I've been called worse on the basketball court, so it's not that big of a deal," he said.>>

In general, that's the correct response for Obama.  If he reacts sharply to Palin's criticism, it's according her an importance that he wouldn't want to concede.  It has to be up to his surrogates, especially women, to really trash her.  And different surrogates for different attacks.  One for the low road - - she's a lousy mother, can't even perform a job which millions of women can do admirably, yet wants to run the country?  Another for the higher road (joke!) the Troopergate scandal, her promise of full cooperation and her attempts to derail the investigation (Liar!) as well as the fact that she's a true Republican alright - - not even through her first term as Governor and already up to her neck in scandal and investigations.  Real promising start.  And yet another for the highest road - - her total inexperience for the job, compared to McCain's (hypocritical?) critiques of the "inexperienced" Obama.

Given the results of eight years of Republican misrule (during all of which, McCain was fully present and accounted for in Washington) it's inconceivable to me that Republicans can win another term, but they're way too close for comfort.  Obama has to fight this one on all fronts - -continue energizing the first-time voters, the people who are really anxious for "change" - - REAL change, not phony McCain "change" - - and keep emphasizing the message, real change is Obama, status quo is McCain.  Attack McCain and Palin 24/7. 

I think someone has to kick off the charges that McCain's torture story is faked.  Doesn't have to be above-ground, but a major "whisper campaign" has to start, aimed at the very people who are the most impressed by the phony claims in the first place.  This guy has been treated as an untouchable from the get-go, Obama himself had to pay tribute to his "sacrifices" and his "heroism" a foolish move which effectively put the guy on a pedestal from which it proves very hard to dislodge him.  Questioning his torture story at least knocks him off the pedestal.  If Obama or someone on his side doesn't start to hit out hard at McCain, then he does not deserve to win.
Title: Re: non-college educated women
Post by: fatman on September 07, 2008, 01:59:55 PM
I hope that they don't try and get Washington Gov. Christine "Call me Chris" Gregoire for their campaign.  Slimy, sleazy, and pandering attention grabber that she is, I'm sure that she'll be on the horn to the Obama campaign.

Yecchhh.

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Title: Re: non-college educated women
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 07, 2008, 02:08:59 PM

they've got be worried

several democrat-leaning types at my office have asked me for a
McCain/Palin bumper sticker which they know I readily hand out

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Title: Re: non-college educated women
Post by: Religious Dick on September 07, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
Amy Holmes | Bio
CNN Political Analyst

McCain has a strong woman? Well, the Obama campaign wants voters to know they?ve got one, too, and they?re going to deploy her to crush the moose hunting hockey mom from Alaska. In a strange twist of logic, the Obama campaign is touting the woman they passed over as the woman they need to beat the woman the other guy picked.

The New York Times reports that ?Mrs. Clinton?s campaign event in Florida, her first for Mr. Obama since the Democratic convention, will serve as a counterpoint to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Ms. Palin injected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday, Obama aides said.?

So, let?s get this straight. They didn?t choose her and her 18 million voters to put on the ticket. They gave the VP spot to Joe Biden. But now that Sarah Palin has arrived on the political scene, they?re promoting Hillary as the female answer to the Republican VP nominee. Awkward, to say the least.

And as one female democratic strategist tells me, don?t think that Hillary hasn?t noticed.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/girl-fight/ (http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/girl-fight/)
Title: Re: non-college educated women
Post by: Plane on September 07, 2008, 09:10:45 PM
Amy Holmes | Bio
CNN Political Analyst

In a strange twist of logic, the Obama campaign is touting the woman they passed over as the woman they need to beat the woman the other guy picked.



Hahahahahahahahahaha!


Well said!
Title: Re: non-college educated women
Post by: Plane on September 07, 2008, 09:12:45 PM
<<Obama, speaking to reporters on Thursday during a campaign stop in York, Pennsylvania, brushed aside any worry he might have about Palin's criticism of his biography and political record.

<<"I've been called worse on the basketball court, so it's not that big of a deal," he said.>>

In general, that's the correct response for Obama.  If he reacts sharply to Palin's criticism, it's according her an importance that he wouldn't want to concede. 


Yes , but how does he avoid the same effect as his surrogates do what he wants done?

I think this is the correct response from Obama and makes him look mature , it is up to his surrogates to undo what good Obama can do for himself.