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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on September 17, 2008, 01:13:46 AM
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...I mean, just one of the regular (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbh.htm) folk
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No one needs the stupid Drudge report.
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Someone does:
VISITS TO DRUDGE 9/17/08
027,535,773 IN PAST 24 HOURS
736,555,556 IN PAST 31 DAYS
6,467,203,120 IN PAST YEAR
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I said "needs".
Dumb cartoons of Barbra Streisand are never needed by anyone.
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Drudge is not a cartoonist.
He is an aggregator.
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The way the Obama campaign handled this fund-raiser was dumb and opened them to attacks that could probably have been avoided.
But every campaign has its ups and downs. My own take on this is that if anyone thinks the Barbra Streisands and Hollywood represent the Big Money in the U.S.A., they must be morons, but there are a lot of morons in the U.S. and they all can vote.
If the voters choose to make this election into a referendum on the so-called culture wars, Cheez-Wiz and mayo are probably gonna beat out Brie and Camembert. That's a given.
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There are rich people in Hollywood, but very few of then, if any, are members of the Oligarchy.
Some people have $20 million and enjoy it, and the stuff it can buy.
Members of the Oligarchy consider it a pittance, and will not feel secure until they have $200 million, and enjoy it mostly because it gives them control of so many others.
Carnegie started out as the latter, but in his later years realized that it wasn't all that much fun and gave neraly all of it away. Don't expect this sort of behavior of today's oligarchy.
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There are rich people in Hollywood, but very few of then, if any, are members of the Oligarchy.
Because......obviously.....Xo has a list of names of who's a member and who's not, and ..... wow, they all happen to be Republicans. We'll all look forward to when this list is published, so we can all have the proper program to use and track these dastardly folks
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I wonder if all the committed socialists out there realize that Barry got rich while George W. Bush was president?
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So what?
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I mean.....what does a fella, supposedly representative of the regular folk, get for dinner at the tune of $28,500? Big Mac under glass? Chocolate Shake in a Waterford Crystal goblet?
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So what ... Bush is evil ... Bush detroyed the economy ... people suffered under Bush ... not Barry and Michelle.
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I'm guessing dry chicken, steamed green beans, boiled red potatos.
And all the vodka they could swill.
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I'm guessing dry chicken, steamed green beans, boiled red potatos.
And all the vodka they could swill.
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I'm guessing that this would be wrong. They would serve wine with the meal, not vodka.
If cocktails were served, it would be at an open bar.
I have been to college fundraisers where the food was vastly better than the swill you mention. Hollywood people are far more likely to be gourmets than to enjoy the wretched menu you suggest.
I think the Smith Center, Kansas, Cattle Auctioneer Annual Benefit Banquet would serve better food than that.
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Jealousy is such an ugly thing. So are Rush Limbaugh's talking points that sirs loves to use.
But you didn't mention how McCain is a "people person" when he racked up $5M just two nights agone... ;)
McCain Rings Up $5M At Chicago Fundraiser
Amount Averages To $1 Million Per Hour Spent Here
CHICAGO (CBS) ? Republican John McCain raised about $5 million in Chicago Monday night, or about $1 million for each hour he spent in Democrat Barack Obama's home town.
http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/mccain.chicago.fundraiser.2.812952.html (http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/mccain.chicago.fundraiser.2.812952.html)
Is it the total amount or who he got it from that makes him more of a "people person" than Obama? Are the Hollywood Elite not Americans allowed to use money as "free speech"? Why do you hate freedom when someone else takes advantage of it?
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All this money being thrown around and we're verging on depression.
Go figure.
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If you are going to raise money, you will be most effective doing it by asking people that have money to spare. Very wealthy people are the best ones to hit up, because they are least likely to get ticked off at you.
It is my observation that if I donate any amount of money (I suppose below the maximum allowed) my donation will be followed by a very brief thank you and another invitation to donate still more money.
My name will be sent to other candidates, and each and every one will call me and ask for even more money. Eventually, every dinner will be interrupted with clowns asking me for money, and that is when I just make one donation.
This is I think, a problem Barbra Streisand does not have, She donates the maximum, and she has "people" who answer her phone. If Barbra tells some solicitor not to call, they will tell the rest to stop calling.
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All this money being thrown around and we're verging on depression.
Go figure.
That's what you get when you let a "Third Way" president work with a ideologically fervent congress to sign in the largest de-regulation in American history and then a completely amoral, ideologically fervent "president" comes in and looks the other way while his rich cronies steal as much money as they can stuff in their pockets.
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>>That's what you get [snip] ... rich cronies steal as much money as they can stuff in their pockets.<<
Are you referring to Charley Rangel?
Brass, seriously, why do you still live in this country? As evil as you believe it to be why not join Johnny Depp in France? I'm not being flippant Brass. Why not move to Canada or something? As much as you hate this country why are you raising a child here?
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The governmental system is but a small part of life in the US.
It would be difficult to find similar employment in a country where one did not speak the language or have any contacts.
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If you are going to raise money, you will be most effective doing it by asking people that have money to spare. Very wealthy people are the best ones to hit up, because they are least likely to get ticked off at you. It is my observation that if I donate any amount of money (I suppose below the maximum allowed) my donation will be followed by a very brief thank you and another invitation to donate still more money.
Yet when the GOP pulls in large sums....something's wrong....something needs to get fixed....we need public financing.
Go figure
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>>That's what you get [snip] ... rich cronies steal as much money as they can stuff in their pockets.<<
Are you referring to Charley Rangel?
Brass, seriously, why do you still live in this country? As evil as you believe it to be why not join Johnny Depp in France? I'm not being flippant Brass. Why not move to Canada or something? As much as you hate this country why are you raising a child here?
I daresay I would miss my family for one reason. Also, money would be an issue.
Lastly, I feel the same way about moving from the US as I do about moving from my inner city neighborhood. If I leave, I would feel like a failure. If I don't stay and try to stem the tide of craziness, who will? If I leave, the craziness will spread. The best way to deal with it is to stay and fight.
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If you are going to raise money, you will be most effective doing it by asking people that have money to spare. Very wealthy people are the best ones to hit up, because they are least likely to get ticked off at you. It is my observation that if I donate any amount of money (I suppose below the maximum allowed) my donation will be followed by a very brief thank you and another invitation to donate still more money.
Yet when the GOP pulls in large sums....something's wrong....something needs to get fixed....we need public financing.
Go figure
I know what you are attempting to do but you'll find that those of us who deem public financing as reprehensible find it so no matter who is raking in millions.
Obama lost points with me when he opted out. I don't like it but I understand it.
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If you are going to raise money, you will be most effective doing it by asking people that have money to spare. Very wealthy people are the best ones to hit up, because they are least likely to get ticked off at you. It is my observation that if I donate any amount of money (I suppose below the maximum allowed) my donation will be followed by a very brief thank you and another invitation to donate still more money.
Yet when the GOP pulls in large sums....something's wrong....something needs to get fixed....we need public financing. Go figure
I know what you are attempting to do but you'll find that those of us who deem public financing as reprehensible find it so no matter who is raking in millions.
I see, that's why the utter contempt & condemnation I currently see coming from you and the left, regarding his opting out, and the recent $28,500 a pop-plate shin dig. Oh wait, that's not what I see....I see rationalizations & even justifications for it.
Go figure
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<<I wonder if all the committed socialists out there realize that Barry got rich while George W. Bush was president?>>
Uh, no, he didn't "get rich" during George W. Bush's presidency. You should pay closer attention to the words of your over-the-hill dunce of a leader. McCain doesn't think anyone is "rich" till they are making $5 million per year in annual income.
Not that John Insane is out of touch or anything, but he considers $4,999,000 in annual income to be chump change for paupers, doesn't have a clue when asked how many fucking houses he owns ("I'll have my staff get back to you on that,") pays a quarter-million a year from his own salary for domestic help and thinks "the fundamentals of the economy are strong."
And yet in the far-out reaches of crypto-fascist lunacy, OBAMA is the out-of-touch elitist for attending a Hollywood fund-raiser given by Barbra Streisand and friends. Can't he just stand on a street-corner with a Dixie cup and a sign?
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If you are going to raise money, you will be most effective doing it by asking people that have money to spare. Very wealthy people are the best ones to hit up, because they are least likely to get ticked off at you. It is my observation that if I donate any amount of money (I suppose below the maximum allowed) my donation will be followed by a very brief thank you and another invitation to donate still more money.
Yet when the GOP pulls in large sums....something's wrong....something needs to get fixed....we need public financing. Go figure
I know what you are attempting to do but you'll find that those of us who deem public financing as reprehensible find it so no matter who is raking in millions.
I see, that's why the utter contempt & condemnation I currently see coming from you and the left, regarding his opting out, and the recent $28,500 a pop-plate shin dig. Oh wait, that's not what I see....I see rationalizations & even justifications for it.
Go figure
With all the craziness going on in this election, why are spending so much time hammering on us for our apparent hypocrisies rather than touting the good qualities (few as they are) of McCain?
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We would be best off to have public financing of a very shoret campaign period of two or three weeks, with free TV ads on the over-the air stations (they are supposed to serve the public interest, after all). I also like the Costa Rican law that prohibits the current party from campaigning and the ban on two consecutive terms.
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With all the craziness going on in this election, why are spending so much time hammering on us for our apparent hypocrisies rather than touting the good qualities (few as they are) of McCain?
Interesting deflection effort. Let's stop looking at Obama's & the left's hypocrisies, let's instead focus on how bad McCain is
But to touch on your query....there aren't that many. Simply more good qualities than bad, and exponentially more good qualities than Obama's, as it relates to running this country as President and CnC. But I'll concede, Obama can give a dynamite speech in front of a teleprompter. He wins that contest, hand's down. Better than all the other 3 candidates combined, IMHO
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>>If I leave, the craziness will spread.<<
That's true.
:D
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With all the craziness going on in this election, why are spending so much time hammering on us for our apparent hypocrisies rather than touting the good qualities (few as they are) of McCain?
Interesting deflection effort. Let's stop looking at Obama's & the left's hypocrisies, let's instead focus on how bad McCain is
But to touch on your query....there aren't that many. Simply more good qualities than bad, and exponentially more good qualities than Obama's, as it relates to running this country as President and CnC. But I'll concede, Obama can give a dynamite speech in front of a teleprompter. He wins that contest, hand's down. Better than all the other 3 candidates combined, IMHO
Kind of like how Palin gave a great speech in front a teleprompter, right? Or are you still going with that discredited lie that she "winged it" at the convention?
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Kind of like how Palin gave a great speech in front a teleprompter, right? Or are you still going with that discredited lie that she "winged it" at the convention?
Well, since the speech she gave didn't jive with the published one (which is what was on her teleprompter) it seems likely.
Where is your source that "discredits" it?
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With all the craziness going on in this election, why are spending so much time hammering on us for our apparent hypocrisies rather than touting the good qualities (few as they are) of McCain?
Interesting deflection effort. Let's stop looking at Obama's & the left's hypocrisies, let's instead focus on how bad McCain is
But to touch on your query....there aren't that many. Simply more good qualities than bad, and exponentially more good qualities than Obama's, as it relates to running this country as President and CnC. But I'll concede, Obama can give a dynamite speech in front of a teleprompter. He wins that contest, hand's down. Better than all the other 3 candidates combined, IMHO
Kind of like how Palin gave a great speech in front a teleprompter, right? Or are you still going with that discredited lie that she "winged it" at the convention?
What?? Where'd you pull this from? Who said she gave a great speech minus a teleprompter? And whether she did or didn't, What does that have to do with ANYTHING about Obama's hypocrisies and the left's rationalizations of them??
This is now going beyond deflection from the rabid amount of political contributions that come in from Hollywood, to the fella that supposedly represents us common folk. And before the next deflection, no one has claimed McCain is running on some common-man type of platform. Obama sure the hell is however.
And 1 last thing, I could care less how much money Obama or any other politician brings in, as far as campaign contributions. I'm on record as advocating giving any amount you want AS LONG AS ITS MADE CLEAR WHERE THE $$$$ ARE COMING FROM --> FULL DISCLOSURE. What I get a kick out of is the left trying so hard to make Obama as some "normal guy", playing basketball with the little people, being "connected" to the little people, who opts out of his pledged public financing, and taking in $28,000+ a plate dinners....all the while, leftists like you tripping over yourselves in justifying it all, when you'd be condemning to high heaven any Republican that did the same
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palin-overcame-teleprompter-problems-missing-hard-copies/ (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palin-overcame-teleprompter-problems-missing-hard-copies/)
Sarah Palin electrified the Republican convention Wednesday, all the while reading off a faulty teleprompter and an outdated draft, John McCain officials told FOX News on Thursday.
The Alaska governor overcame several glitches and technical problems to deliver her speech without getting flustered, impressing McCain and his staff and allowing them to breathe a sigh of relief.
Foremost of the obstacles, Palin’s teleprompter was not working properly. When she took the podium, the machine rolled so quickly, it often skipped the first line or two of every paragraph on screen. The operator said he had new equipment and wasn’t sure how it would work.
However, Palin also went on stage with a slightly outdated hard copy of her speech. For various unexplained reasons, she and her closest advisers had an old draft on hand, and even had a hard time furnishing one of those for her to use. Several of the drafts were scribbled on, so one aide gave Palin a wrinkled, folded copy out of his pocket.
Officials said Palin responded in mom-like fashion, concluding, “Well, I suppose I could put a book on it and smooth it out a little. “
During one part of her speech, she couldn’t see the teleprompter because signs were blocking it. That was when she ad-libbed a line about the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull — “lipstick.”
The line was a hit with the audience. It is something she had jokingly said to staff during the speech prep process.
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Doesn't look like it "discredits" it at all.
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*snicker*.....and still waiting to hear what this has to do with the tea in China
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No FAUX NEWS would never discredit their own "news".
As for what it has to do with anything. All we know of Sarah Palin, firsthand, is that she gave a snarky and overly-sarcastic speech at the convention then lied that she did it "off the cup" and electrified desperate and disgusting republicans who will stop at nothing to keep the White House and sanity being restored to this nation.
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No FAUX NEWS would never discredit their own "news".
So, where's the source that discredits it?
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The "pitbull with lipstick' line was obviously one she had heard dozens of times before.
One would expect a governor to be moderately good at public speaking, anyway. This is being touted as some sort of Miraculous Event, attributable only to the Great God Awmighty.
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The "pitbull with lipstick' line was obviously one she had heard dozens of times before....This is being touted as some sort of Miraculous Event, attributable only to the Great God Awmighty.
By WHOM??
Or is this falsely right up there with she's being touted as a perfect mother?, that McCain is being touted as presidentially qualified because he was a POW?
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No FAUX NEWS would never discredit their own "news".
So, where's the source that discredits it?
The teleprompter did not break
Sarah Palin delivered a powerful speech last night, but she did not "wing it."
Which is what Erick Erickson, citing sources close to McCain, has written on his blog, RedState.
Erickson writes that "the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks. As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Gov. Palin was in the speech."
This claim has been picked up on Drudge and could quickly enter into the insta-mythmaking about a speech that need not be embroidered.
Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. But I was sitting in the press section next to the stage, within easy eyeshot of the teleprompter. I frequently looked up at the machine, and there was no serious malfunction. A top convention planner confirms this morning that there were no major problems.
Erickson writes that the same malfunction happened during Rudy Giuliani's speech earlier in the night. Again, I watched the teleprompter during this speech, and it worked without problem. Giuliani, as is his wont, simply decided to go off-script and add some new lines, such as one attacking Obama for his "bitter" comments.
These extemporaneous comments, many of which drew huge applause, made the former New York mayor's speech run much longer than planned. So much so that a convention planner confirms that they had to scrap a planned video ahead of Palin's speech.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html)
I've heard several people on the TeeVee saying it's all horseshit as well.
They lie when they don't have to.