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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on September 21, 2008, 07:57:35 PM
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AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks
Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.
Among white Democrats, one third cited a negative adjective and, of those, 58 percent said they planned to back Obama.
The poll sought to measure latent prejudices among whites by asking about factors contributing to the state of black America. One finding: More than a quarter of white Democrats agree that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites."
Those who agreed with that statement were much less likely to back Obama than those who didn't.
The survey broke ground by incorporating images of black and white faces to measure implicit racial attitudes, or prejudices that are so deeply rooted that people may not realize they have them. That test suggested the incidence of racial prejudice is even higher, with more than half of whites revealing more negative feelings toward blacks than whites.
Researchers used mathematical modeling to sort out the relative impact of a huge swath of variables that might have an impact on people's votes — including race, ideology, party identification, the hunger for change and the sentiments of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers.
Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton's white backers plan to vote for McCain.
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race;_ylt=As.Okc_OqLD5TNUrjaUWqPrCw5R4 (http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race;_ylt=As.Okc_OqLD5TNUrjaUWqPrCw5R4)
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I am not dissapointed to find that Democrats outscore Republicans on this one.
Still no matter how carefully a poll is conducted , I am suspicious that a lot of people lie to pollsters.
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I am not dissapointed to find that Democrats outscore Republicans on this one.
Still no matter how carefully a poll is conducted , I am suspicious that a lot of people lie to pollsters.
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Democrats might outnumber you guys because they are more honest about it. Repubs lie about everything anymore. No doubt comes from your laders.
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I am not dissapointed to find that Democrats outscore Republicans on this one.
Still no matter how carefully a poll is conducted , I am suspicious that a lot of people lie to pollsters.
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Democrats might outnumber you guys because they are more honest about it. Repubs lie about everything anymore. No doubt comes from your laders.
What indicates that there arn't lots of Democrats hideing just as much racism?
The hidden part is anyones guess mine no better than yours , so is there any use in conducting polls?
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I am not the biggest fan of polls in the first place, but they are particularly suspect when they are confronted with such an old & ingrained prejudice.
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I am not the biggest fan of polls in the first place, but they are particularly suspect when they are confronted with such an old & ingrained prejudice.
We are in perfect agreement.
I am in a state of total chagrin.
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I am not dissapointed to find that Democrats outscore Republicans on this one.
Still no matter how carefully a poll is conducted , I am suspicious that a lot of people lie to pollsters.
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At no point did this claim that Democrats outscored Republicans. There was no mention at all of a Republican score.
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I am not disappointed to find that Democrats outscore Republicans on this one.
Still no matter how carefully a poll is conducted , I am suspicious that a lot of people lie to pollsters.
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At no point did this claim that Democrats outscored Republicans. There was no mention at all of a Republican score.
Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race.
(http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/nws/elections/ap_poll_race_obama.jpg)
Whoops , I misread the chart , Republicans do show a greater negative feelings rate than Democrats , but they were not going to vote for any Dem anyway , the BHO problem is the ones that would have voted for him if not for this , the Racially class conscious Democrats.
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Poll: McCain's backers less fired up than Obama's
The passion and interest shown by blocs of voters are important because they affect who will be motivated to vote. For now, the numbers favor Obama: 38 percent of his supporters say the election is exciting compared to 9 percent of McCain's. Sixty-five percent of Obama's backers say they are hopeful about the campaign, double McCain's, and the Democrat's supporters are three times likelier to express pride.
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-excited-voters;_ylt=Al9e_OBQN7jUhTgkPAtSr4l2KY54 (http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-excited-voters;_ylt=Al9e_OBQN7jUhTgkPAtSr4l2KY54)
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This is McCains worst problem, he really isn't Bush , but he really isn't what many people think of as their favoriate either. I have always liked McCain , but can I say I am excited at the possibility of his presidency?
Not all that much.
The best thing for McCain is Obama blunders or lots of rain on election day , nether of these can McCain make happen.
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Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race.
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Being a racist is not something people are so willing to admit, not evben to themselves, so they will most likely mention some other motive.
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Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race.
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Being a racist is not something people are so willing to admit, not Eben to themselves, so they will most likely mention some other motive.
Not pertanent , even a very virtuous Republican is unlikely to vote for BHO , a racist Republican is no diffrence in the math for BHO. Liberals tho, who might vote for a liberal , but who do not for the sake of Racism are harm to his campaign.
I am surprised at the 6% estimate , if true this is a very high hurdle , it is a lot more than I would have expected.
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Can we say that if Obama gets under 45% of the vote and loses, then it is due to racism and not his actual qualifications?
If Obama were White, and all other things were equal, then Obama would defeat McCain 51% to 48%. with 1% for Bob Barr and other minority party contenders. But he's Black (or seen as Black, since he is half White), so because of racism he gets 45% and McCain gets 52%, 6% more because racists prefer him because of his Whititude.
For the election to have been lost on the issues, Obama will have to get less than 45%. Otherwise, it will have been lost due to racism.
Does that sound about right?
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Whoops , I misread the chart , Republicans do show a greater negative feelings rate than Democrats
You certainly did!
I'm really astonished at the poll in general (no matter the political persuasion).
People are really f***ing pathetic.
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Can we say that if Obama gets under 45% of the vote and loses, then it is due to racism and not his actual qualifications?
If Obama were White, and all other things were equal, then Obama would defeat McCain 51% to 48%. with 1% for Bob Barr and other minority party contenders. But he's Black (or seen as Black, since he is half White), so because of racism he gets 45% and McCain gets 52%, 6% more because racists prefer him because of his Whititude.
For the election to have been lost on the issues, Obama will have to get less than 45%. Otherwise, it will have been lost due to racism.
Does that sound about right?
Yes , if you are admitting that the problem is with Democrats .
A White guy with Baraks voteing record would get no votes from Republicans , but perhaps some of the liberal racists are persuedeable.
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look at the list
uhm
friendly,determined,law-abiding ,etc.
nobody will score a 100% on that list
smart at everyday list?
somedays I`d be lucky to tie my shoe right
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look at the list
uhm
friendly,determined,law-abiding ,etc.
nobody will score a 100% on that list
smart at everyday list?
somedays I`d be lucky to tie my shoe right
Wait right here while I google that.
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Kimba is right.
According to my exhaustive ten minute Google search the only opinion that Polls 100% is a fictitious one.
http://www.humorgazette.com/hg/2008/01/poll_100_of_bums_want_change.html (http://www.humorgazette.com/hg/2008/01/poll_100_of_bums_want_change.html)
I found a lot of wild stuff relating to polls tho , there seems to be a constant polling on everything imagineable.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SNbZEJs4WEI/AAAAAAAAAFE/hSzlTAe2nD8/S1600-R/0921_mainchart.png)
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/todays-polls-95.html (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/todays-polls-95.html)
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=255 (http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=255)
http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=775 (http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=775)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0DE123EF93BA35752C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0DE123EF93BA35752C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all)
http://www.latinalista.net/palabrafinal/2008/06/new_poll_searching_for_racial_bias_in_am.html (http://www.latinalista.net/palabrafinal/2008/06/new_poll_searching_for_racial_bias_in_am.html)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E1D8113DF935A35751C1A961958260&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E1D8113DF935A35751C1A961958260&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
http://www.marinaplasticsurgery.com/plastic-surgery-news/news-nipple-release.cfm (http://www.marinaplasticsurgery.com/plastic-surgery-news/news-nipple-release.cfm)
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000044.html (http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000044.html)
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Yes , if you are admitting that the problem is with Democrats .
A White guy with Baraks voteing record would get no votes from Republicans , but perhaps some of the liberal racists are persuedeable.
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I am sure that some people who consider themselves to be very conservative will vote for Obama, just as some people who consider themselves as Liberal will vote for McCain.
There will be people who vote agaist McCain because they cannot stand his wife, or his shoes, or they heard he hates cats.
No one ever gets 100% of everyone.
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"I am sure that some people who consider themselves to be very conservative will vote for Obama, ..."
I don't know why , on Gun Controll , right to life and most other concerns of conservatives BHO has a perfect record of intolerance.