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Franken hones absentee case ahead of Minn. recount
AP News
Monday, November 17, 2008
http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2008/11/17/franken_hones_absentee_case_ahead_of_minn_recount (http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2008/11/17/franken_hones_absentee_case_ahead_of_minn_recount)
Democrat Al Franken's Senate campaign, trailing slightly just before a statewide recount, argued Monday that a key Minnesota election board should examine rejected absentee ballots before certifying the race results.
Those ballots are at the heart of legal and procedural disputes that have emerged as the near-deadlocked election moves into this week's manual recount of more than 2.9 million ballots.
Republican Sen. Norm Coleman leads by 206 votes _ a lead so slim that it triggered the automatic recount.
Franken's legal team contends that eligible voters shouldn't have ballots excluded on "mere technicalities" and requests that the state canvassing Board examine rejected absentee ballots. The team is bolstering its argument with four sworn affidavits from people who believe their absentee ballots were improperly set aside.
The canvassing board is made up of the secretary of state, two Supreme Court justices and two district judges.
Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, a Democrat, said Franken's request will be considered along with any others the campaigns bring forward.
Last week, Franken filed a lawsuit attempting to force counties to release rosters of voters whose absentee ballots were invalidated. His campaign says it would use the information to investigate whether the rejections were proper. A hearing on that case is set for 9:30 a.m. Wednesday _ 90 minutes after some counties start the recount.
Franken's advisers say they know of hundreds of voided absentee ballots based on their surveys of Minnesota counties that voluntarily supplied information, but they wouldn't give a precise number.
Coleman's campaign has argued that such disclosures would violate voter privacy, a position shared by the county attorneys refusing to release it.
One of the affidavits is from James Langland of Thief River Falls, who voted absentee in person because he was traveling on Election Day. Langland said he was told his ballot was invalidated because it lacked proper documentation. He said he learned nine days after the election that a county official failed to sign the envelope.
Langland said in the document that he voted for Franken, as did the other three voters who submitted sworn statements.
Minnesota law says that absentee ballots can be rejected if they include an address inconsistent with the application; if there are questions about a signature by the voter or witness; if the voter isn't eligible to vote in that precinct; or if the person had completed another ballot.
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Lott: How Franken Is Stealing MN Election
From the great John Lott, via Fox News:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/lott-on-how-franken-is-stealing-mn-election (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/lott-on-how-franken-is-stealing-mn-election)
Minnesota Ripe for Election Fraud
Monday, November 10, 2008
By John R. Lott Jr.
Minnesota is becoming to 2008 politics what Florida was in 2000 or Washington State in 2006 — a real mess. The outcome will determine whether Democrats get 58 members of the U.S. Senate, giving them an effective filibuster-proof vote on many issues.
When voters woke up on Wednesday morning after the election, Senator Norm Coleman led Al Franken by what seemed like a relatively comfortable 725 votes. By Wednesday night, that lead had shrunk to 477. By Thursday night, it was down to 336. By Friday, it was 239. Late Sunday night, the difference had gone down to just 221 — a total change over 4 days of 504 votes.
Amazingly, this all has occurred even though there hasn’t even yet been a recount. Just local election officials correcting claimed typos in how the numbers were reported. Counties will certify their results today, and their final results will be sent to the secretary of state by Friday. The actual recount won’t even start until November 19.
Correcting these typos was claimed to add 435 votes to Franken and take 69 votes from Coleman. Corrections were posted in other races, but they were only a fraction of those for the Senate. The Senate gains for Franken were 2.5 times the gain for Obama in the presidential race count, 2.9 times the total gain that Democrats got across all Minnesota congressional races, and 5 times the net loss that Democrats suffered for all state House races.
Virtually all of Franken’s new votes came from just three out of 4130 precincts, and almost half the gain (246 votes) occurred in one precinct — Two Harbors, a small town north of Duluth along Lake Superior — a heavily Democratic precinct where Obama received 64 percent of the vote. None of the other races had any changes in their vote totals in that precinct.
To put this change in perspective, that single precinct’s corrections accounted for a significantly larger net swing in votes between the parties than occurred for all the precincts in the entire state for the presidential, congressional, or state house races.
The two other precincts (Mountain Iron in St. Louis county and Partridge Township in Pine county) accounted for another 100 votes each. The change in each precinct was half as large as the pickup for Obama from the corrections for the entire state.
The Minneapolis Star Tribune attributed these types of mistakes to “exhausted county officials,” and that indeed might be true, but the sizes of the errors in these three precincts are surprisingly large.
Indeed, the 504 total new votes for Franken from all the precincts is greater than adding together all the changes for all the precincts in the entire state for the presidential, congressional, and state house races combined (a sum of 482). It was also true that precincts that gave Obama a larger percentage of the vote were statistically more likely to make a correction that helped Franken…
Dems Are Stealing Election For Franken
Coleman loses attempt to block 32 votes from count
From a delighted Associated Press:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/dems-are-stealing-mn-election-for-franken (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/dems-are-stealing-mn-election-for-franken)
Nov 8 2008
ST. Paul, Minn. (AP) Sen. Norm Coleman has failed in an attempt to block 32 absentee ballots from Hennepin County from being counted in his close race with Democrat Al Franken.
Coleman’s campaign asked Ramsey County Chief Judge Kathleen Gearin to issue a temporary restraining order in regard to counting of the ballots.
Gearin says she denied the request Saturday for lack of jurisdiction.
Coleman’s campaign says it made the request after new ballots “suddenly appeared” in a heavily Democratic precinct. It says the ballots had not been secured and counting them would violate state rules.
Franken’s campaign responded that Coleman’s request was nothing more than an attempt to disenfranchise voters.
The Minnesota secretary of state’s office most recent tally had Coleman 221 votes ahead of Franken.
Miraculously with every recount Mr. Franken gets more votes.
Sure this is typical. But it does not make it any less outrageous.
Eventually a line must be drawn in the sand. We can not have election after election stolen by the Democrats through “recounts.”
After all, why should any count be more accurate than any other?
Please update this thread with the latest news on this violation of our very system of government.
Also try to tell your friends about what is happening in Minnesota, since it this story is being studiously ignored by our one party media.
(This AP story is only showing up on local news outlets in the Mid and Far West.)
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Also try to tell your friends about what is happening in Minnesota, since it this story is being studiously ignored by our one party media.
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Where is Faux News? Aren't they supposed to be the champions of the Right?
Isn't Minnesota news more important to Iowans than to New Hampshiremen?
Wouldn't Al Franken be more greatly favored by East Coast people, anyway?
On can only speculate on the miserable turnout Limbaugh might get in any senatorial race: I bet he couldn;t be elected in Utah, even.
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Also try to tell your friends about what is happening in Minnesota, since it this story is being studiously ignored by our one party media.
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Where is Faux News? Aren't they supposed to be the champions of the Right?
Isn't Minnesota news more important to Iowans than to New Hampshiremen?
Wouldn't Al Franken be more greatly favored by East Coast people, anyway?
On can only speculate on the miserable turnout Limbaugh might get in any senatorial race: I bet he couldn;t be elected in Utah, even.
Lucky for you , Limbaugh doesn't want the pay cut , or the loss of power.
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Lucky for him, there is a Limbaugh.
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Lucky for you , Limbaugh doesn't want the pay cut , or the loss of power.
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Limbaugh could not be elected dogcatcher. You are probably right about the money, though. He is a bit of a greedhead.
He is a disgrace to Missourians everywhere.
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Oh, I think Rush could be elected to the house or the Senate. Of course he wouldn't attempt it in any of those welfare/socialist blue states. He'd have to go were people have some sense.
But if he did get elected it would cause a big problem. Soon afterwards he's find Sean Hannity following him around repeating everything he says.
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Rush will never run for any public office, but he would lose bigtime if he did.
He has made a career of being annoying. Something I am sure you understand.
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No, Rush would win bigtime. He has common sense. Something democrats sorely lack. Oh, and he loves America. Something liberals also lack.
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Rush has common sense? Would that be Rush, the mega-oxycontin user?
Rush, who went out of his way to get Clarence Thomas to marry him for extra sticking together power? How long did that last?
Rush knows who pays him, and what they pay him for. He understands that there ia a certain type of angry White guy that needs a better outlet for his anger than just callin' them "sp*cs and n*ggers", and he teaches them how to hate in a more legal, but just as annoying manner.
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Rush has common sense? Would that be Rush, the mega-oxycontin user?
We seem to be getting more forgiveing of people who have drug use in their past.
The President elect for example.
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We seem to be getting more forgiveing of people who have drug use in their past.
The thing abut Rush and drugs was that he was most unforgiving of drug users in his comments on his show, and then it turned out that he had an addiction in which he used equine portions of oxycontin.
Obama was never addicted to any drugs, nor has he been so damning of others.
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We seem to be getting more forgiveing of people who have drug use in their past.
The thing abut Rush and drugs was that he was most unforgiving of drug users in his comments on his show, and then it turned out that he had an addiction in which he used equine portions of oxycontin.
Obama was never addicted to any drugs, nor has he been so damning of others.
If you had asked me five years ago whether Rush had a problem of this sort I would not have known the real answer.
Do you know that BHO is not addicted to anything?
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>>Obama was never addicted to any drugs, nor has he been so damning of others.<<
As for Rush damning others, you're full of shit. You can't point one instance were he had done so. You're simply being a good little lemming and repeating the hate speech you've heard from your masters.
As for Barry, you have no idea if Barry is still on the pipe or not. How could you know it? You know virtually nothing about the man. So try and keep to subjects you know. Let me know when you find one.
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I have heard recordings of Rush condeming others who are addicted to drugs, so I believe this to be true. Rush is a lying hypocrite.
If Obama were still using drugs, I am sure that some ratbastard like Rove would have been all over him like stink on a monkey.
If you do not like what I say, stop reading it. I am not going to obey any crap you demand, for you have shown yourself to be a clown with a room temperature IQ and the credibility of a thirteen year old glue-sniffing geek.
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>>I have heard recordings of Rush condeming others ...<<
Sure you have. I notice you left out ... others "who are addicted to drugs".
You're a liar. But that's a given, you're a leftist. It's what you do.
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I have heard recordings of Rush condeming others who are addicted to drugs, so I believe this to be true. Rush is a lying hypocrite.
If Obama were still using drugs, I am sure that some ratbastard like Rove would have been all over him like stink on a monkey.
If you do not like what I say, stop reading it. I am not going to obey any crap you demand, for you have shown yourself to be a clown with a room temperature IQ and the credibility of a thirteen year old glue-sniffing geek.
BHO will soon be the cheif executive.
And the law is still against the drugs he experimented with.
The new president willhave to walk a fine line to avoid becomeing a Hypocrit.
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The new president willhave to walk a fine line to avoid becomeing a Hypocrit.
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I would imagine that all he has to do is not use drugs.
The statute of limitations on any he has used, if he did use them in the US has long ago run out.
I imagine he could prevent the FBI and DEA from shutting down legal medical pot depositories in California and other places where the voters have rejected harsh bans on cannibis.