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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on March 19, 2010, 05:25:44 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100319/wl_nm/us_dutch_military_gays;_ylt=Ag4Jr7VJ5m7BsbDMpuGHjiGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNxbmlodHBnBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTAwMzE5L3VzX2R1dGNoX21pbGl0YXJ5X2dheXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwMxBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDZHV0Y2hmdXJpb3Vz (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100319/wl_nm/us_dutch_military_gays;_ylt=Ag4Jr7VJ5m7BsbDMpuGHjiGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNxbmlodHBnBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTAwMzE5L3VzX2R1dGNoX21pbGl0YXJ5X2dheXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwMxBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDZHV0Y2hmdXJpb3Vz)
Oh Well, the truth hurts sometimes
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i oppose gay boy scout leaders and oppose gays in the military
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A Dutch friend posted this earlier today:
Dear Mr Sheehan, do you know why the Dutch allow gays to join their army? "Because we've always been protected by dikes and are ruled by a queen."
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i oppose gay boy scout leaders and oppose gays in the military
My feeling is with gays their primary focus is sex. Why put a bunch of 18-25 year old queers in with the candy store? Young men desiring sex with other men in the prime of their sex drive age. Not to mention guys that like to dress up dolls, decorate homes, arrange flowers, cut hair, and do other girlie things don't belong in a war zone. They should be in clubs or steam rooms with other like-minded men.
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A Dutch friend posted this earlier today:
Dear Mr Sheehan, do you know why the Dutch allow gays to join their army? "Because we've always been protected by dikes and are ruled by a queen."
they do have a sense of humor or was he serious?
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they do have a sense of humor or was he serious?
Yes.
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My feeling is with gays their primary focus is sex.
Why? Is YOUR primary focus sex?
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i oppose gay boy scout leaders and oppose gays in the military
This is what happens when homos get with young boys. this is why fags should not be allowed to be in the scouts. In San Diego the Boy Scouts lost their location from the city due to their discrimination against homos. damned if they do and damned if they don't.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100319/D9EHLRE00.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100319/D9EHLRE00.html)
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My feeling is with gays their primary focus is sex.
Why? Is YOUR primary focus sex?
Isn't most men's ;)
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This is what happens when homos get with young boys.
That's what happens when pedophiles get with young boys. Being homosexual does not mean you are a pedophile.
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My feeling is with gays their primary focus is sex.
Why? Is YOUR primary focus sex?
I guess gays have conditioned me to focus on sex because of their disgusting parades and other sex related stuff they seem focused on. If my primary focus is sex it would be a major problem for both me and girls if I was in the girls locker room. Believe me when I say that if I were in the locker room and showers with a bunch of 18-25 year old women I'd be very turned on. If a man gets turned on by other men then how could it not be a problem for both gay men and the hetro men naked together. Now let's take this a little further; say I'm a gay 45 year old CO and I have my PFC in my office and felt compelled to touch his genitalia what's this poor kid going to do punch me out? The poor PFC might be in a real bad position under those circumstances.
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Believe me when I say that if I were in the locker room and showers with a bunch of 18-25 year old women I'd be very turned on.
So, you have no self control and if you were in that situation, you would be raping all the girls?
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This is what happens when homos get with young boys.
That's what happens when pedophiles get with young boys. Being homosexual does not mean you are a pedophile.
We are talking about the Boy Scouts not Cub Scouts. It's still a homosexual sex act when the same sex have sex with each other whether they are adults or children. So let's see here you got a 26 year old gay Scout leader and a 16 year old boy. Yeah right the 26 year old fag doesn't get turned on by the 16 year old young man, especially if the young man happens to look pretty to the fag. Or how about a 16 year old homo that suspects the 26 year old man is a gay and so he makes a play for the young man scout leader. Same goes for the military. I'm from the old school -- I wasn't brain-washed and don't buy into all this liberal inclusiveness. Some things just make sense and others don't. Let the fags & atheists form their own Boy Scouts and have a military division set up for fags and everything will be just fine.
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Believe me when I say that if I were in the locker room and showers with a bunch of 18-25 year old women I'd be very turned on.
So, you have no self control and if you were in that situation, you would be raping all the girls?
no but the girls might want to rape me and that could be a problem.
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Here's is another silly thing (from the article) about SOCIAL ENGINEERING ----
Military unions were equally angry. Dutch news agency ANP quoted the head of the military union AFMP as saying Sheehan's comments were "out of the realm of fiction", while the head of the gay soldiers' group SHK called his comments "the ridiculous convulsion of a loner".
UNIONS IN THE MILITARY -- now that is crazy!!!!
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So let's see here you got a 26 year old gay Scout leader and a 16 year old boy.
That is still pedophilia under legal definitions, which include all legal minors.
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So let's see here you got a 26 year old gay Scout leader and a 16 year old boy.
That is still pedophilia under legal definitions, which include all legal minors.
the laws mean so much to liberals these days now doesn't it?
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Believe me when I say that if I were in the locker room and showers with a bunch of 18-25 year old women I'd be very turned on.
So, you have no self control and if you were in that situation, you would be raping all the girls?
Not me or you perhaps , but this problem shows up more often in situations of greater availibility.
Some people do not resist temptation in very ordinary circumstances , a greater number fail to resist when the temptations are more frequent and when the likelyhood of being caught is less.
The margins being moved , those who fail anyway still fail and in addition some more fail who would have not failed with less temptation and a new group becomes marginal.
When I left the Navy Women serving on active duty ships was experimental , the experiment was failing , severely. No commander was willing to say that the experiment was failing in his own command , a "can do" attitude is required for advancement .
Now Women are crewing almost all warships and the cost in disipline , crew harmony ,safety and health is signifigant ,but who can say so? Any commander tired of being a commander can say so .
This is an enormous case of the emporer haveing no clothes , but no one (almost) being willing to observe it so.
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Believe me when I say that if I were in the locker room and showers with a bunch of 18-25 year old women I'd be very turned on.
So, you have no self control and if you were in that situation, you would be raping all the girls?
Not me or you perhaps , but this problem shows up more often in situations of greater availibility.
Some people do not resist temptation in very ordinary circumstances , a greater number fail to resist when the temptations are more frequent and when the likelyhood of being caught is less.
The margins being moved , those who fail anyway still fail and in addition some more fail who would have not failed with less temptation and a new group becomes marginal.
When I left the Navy Women serving on active duty ships was experimental , the experiment was failing , severely. No commander was willing to say that the experiment was failing in his own command , a "can do" attitude is required for advancement .
Now Women are crewing almost all warships and the cost in disipline , crew harmony ,safety and health is signifigant ,but who can say so? Any commander tired of being a commander can say so .
This is an enormous case of the emporer haveing no clothes , but no one (almost) being willing to observe it so.
yup just one more case of liberalism and PC attitudes colliding into bad policy.
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on the matter of gays in the military
the subject that gays will loss control is only thoery and has never been proven fact.
actually the only information that is fact is gays make excellent soldiers.
only policy makes them unqualified in the military.
here abit of irony why gays has hurt the military.
when they get out and are discharged the most common situation is they are officiers or becoming officiers.
meaning greater resources were appliied on them compared to regular soldier.
meaning gays are more driven to excell and that trait is harmful to the military.
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the subject that gays will loss control is only thoery and has never been proven fact.
As a matter of fact, there is evidence for the opposite; there are many military forces that allow gays in the world. I know of none of them that have had any major problems.
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the subject that gays will loss control is only thoery and has never been proven fact.
As a matter of fact, there is evidence for the opposite; there are many military forces that allow gays in the world. I know of none of them that have had any major problems.
You know of none of them that have admitted to any major problems.
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You know of none of them that have admitted to any major problems.
an interesting scenerio,since it bring a point that a absense of complaint does not prove a positive
i say this because my point is very similiar.
the lack of a complaint in the ability of a gay soldier is proof in ability.
I would counter it by the fact the U.S. military has been very public in it`s opposition of gays in thier ranks and I never once hear the military ever say gays make bad soldiers.
all discharges are dome by policy never on a performance base situation.
I have serious doubt the military was ever hampered in bring up such a subject as ability
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"...my point is very similiar.
the lack of a complaint in the ability of a gay soldier is proof in ability.
....I never once hear the military ever say gays make bad soldiers.
all discharges are dome by policy never on a performance base situation.
I have serious doubt the military was ever hampered in bring up such a subject as ability
Who ever said that a lack of ability was the problem?
We already do have disapline and disharmony problems , recruiting problems and retention problems , there has to be a limit to how much we allow these to grow worse.
There may be many Gays willing to remain secret in the military , their discretion is a balm on these problems , if retention and recruiting fall off a lot I doubt that there are enough Gays that are indeed good soldiers to make up the diffrence. It would not take many NCO's or Officers recruiting sex from recruits to turn very many recruits away.
Hold a referendum if you please , there are very many Americans who are veterans , the experience of sleeping thirty to eighty to a room makes the situation easy to understand.
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the subject that gays will loss control is only thoery and has never been proven fact.
As a matter of fact, there is evidence for the opposite; there are many military forces that allow gays in the world. I know of none of them that have had any major problems.
Well I for one find homo suicide rates, being high, proof that 1. we don't need that level of mental problems mucking up our military 2. The cost to replace highly trained people isn't worth it. Not only replacing them but paying for their training to then have them commit suicide. It's not cost effective. Not to mention the cost of installing bath houses for all them fruits.
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I tried very hard to not ask this question here,but you pushed me kramer.
please provide link about the high suicide rate.
I`m not saying it`s false but I just don`t recall it.
p.s. about gays wearing dresses.
totally different group of people who only partially overlap with gays.
most are actually straight.
even the trans-grender are mostly straight.
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on the matter about retention.
I don`t recall if the complaint was ever about gays.
don`t ask don`t tell means they are in the military but just quite about it.
the people I know still serving ,pretty all say it`s lack of confidence.
thiers a question asked and a soldier is only allowed one answer.
do you expect to live through this.
no soldier is ever allowed to say no or face psych evaluation for saying it.
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I tried very hard to not ask this question here,but you pushed me kramer.
please provide link about the high suicide rate.
I`m not saying it`s false but I just don`t recall it.
p.s. about gays wearing dresses.
totally different group of people who only partially overlap with gays.
most are actually straight.
even the trans-grender are mostly straight.
(http://img.medscape.com/pi/emed/ckb/psychiatry/285911-1335299-288598-1620183.jpg)
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/288598-overview (http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/288598-overview)
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on the matter of gays in the military
the subject that gays will loss control is only thoery and has never been proven fact.
actually the only information that is fact is gays make excellent soldiers.
Carl Levin, chairman of the U.S. Senate's Armed Services Committee, asked: "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it was because there were gay soldiers there?"
"Yes, they did. They included that as part of the problem," Sheehan said, according to a webcast on the website of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"That there were gay soldiers?" Levin then asked.
"That the combination was the liberalization of the military, a net effect was basically social engineering."
Where would one see a report of a failing social engineering experiment in the military?
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goldengate bridge is simply a suicide attraction stop .
I`ve never heard of the demographic being gay.
remember marin is also attached to it.
but you link does put a interesting point about gay suicide.
the very reason gays kill themselve is because thier men.
men are better at killing themslves them women.
it goes to show gays are more manly than people think they are.
even the subject of pedophilia is proof thier real men.
that behavior to be with someone younger is overwelmingly a male trait.
better hope the MILF trend grows or us men got alot to answer for.
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goldengate bridge is simply a suicide attraction stop .
I`ve never heard of the demographic being gay.
remember marin is also attached to it.
but you link does put a interesting point about gay suicide.
the very reason gays kill themselve is because thier men.
men are better at killing themslves them women.
it goes to show gays are more manly than people think they are.
even the subject of pedophilia is proof thier real men.
that behavior to be with someone younger is overwelmingly a male trait.
better hope the MILF trend grows or us men got alot to answer for.
I noticed people lacking a sense of humor tent to commit suicide. liberals in general seem so unhappy and have a hard time laughing, especially at themselves. They tend to abuse drugs more often too. Gays tend to heavily favor the Democrat Party.
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Gays tend to heavily favor the Democrat Party.
uhm
guess you never heard of the log cabin party.
gays tend to be more on the conservative side,but will not vote for issues that will hurt them.
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Gays tend to heavily favor the Democrat Party.
uhm
guess you never heard of the log cabin party.
gays tend to be more on the conservative side,but will not vote for issues that will hurt them.
I would have to disagree and I have heard of the log cabin party. what goes on in those log cabins?
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Kimba,........ gays aren't women?
I don't get your point.
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guilty
on the topics of homosexuals I split the the two groups.
I treat the lesbians as a separate group.
men get the overall attention on this subject.
to be fair the two are totally treated differently.
in fact lesbians are not even treated as lesbians ,but as girls with a bisexual twist.
true I`m doing an injustice, but I just can`t lump the two together.
they`re just too different.
so when i say gays , I mean the men only