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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on March 24, 2010, 02:06:40 PM
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This upside down world we live in right now is crazy. Liberals use hate talk in dealing with people that have differing opinions all the while accusing people that have differing opinions of hate speech simply for having differing views. I believe our society (including outside our country) is on a path leading towards a major collision. Liberals seem to be gravitating towards violence, even though they hold the power. It's as if they smell blood in the water and are in a frenzy to consume, like killer sharks, any dissent. The more power they acquire the less nice they treat others. Liberals act as if this is the best time, the only time, that they will ever be in a position of power like what they currently have with the presidency, the Congress and the Senate. And with that power they are pushing all the way to the finish line, blitzing us like the German Panzers did during WWII. Conservatives had better begin to realize that we are in serious real danger. As the deranged left continues their spiraling meltdown in sealing their power they seem to be moving in a direction , God forbid, could lead to another holocaust. I see Christians and Conservatives as targets of their evil hate. Folks look out - we are headed for some big trouble and we had better be prepared.
http://www.canada.com/Coulter+speech+Ottawa+cancelled/2718231/story.html (http://www.canada.com/Coulter+speech+Ottawa+cancelled/2718231/story.html)
OTTAWA — After protesters at the University of Ottawa prevented Ann Coulter from giving a speech Tuesday night, the American conservative writer said it proved the point she came to make — free speech in Canada leaves much to be desired.
Then she said what she really thought of the student protesters who surrounded Marion Hall, making it to unsafe, in the view of her bodyguard, for the pundit to attempt entry.
“The University of Ottawa is really easy to get into, isn’t it?” she said in an interview after the cancelled event. “I never get any trouble at the Ivy League schools. It’s always the bush league schools.”
Coulter said she has been speaking regularly at university campuses for a decade. While she has certainly been heckled, she said this is the first time an engagement has been cancelled because of protesters.
“This has never, ever, ever happened before — even at the stupidest American university,” she said.
Coulter remarked on the reception she has had since entering the country.
“Since I’ve arrived in Canada, I’ve been denounced on the floor of Parliament — which, by the way, is on my bucket list — my posters have been banned, I’ve been accused of committing a crime in a speech that I have not yet given, I was banned by the student council, so welcome to Canada!”
The “accusation” of which Coulter speaks is a reference to an e-mail she received from University of Ottawa vice-president and provost Francois Houle on Friday, warning her that freedom of speech is defined differently in Canada than in the U.S. and that she should take care not to step over the line.
Coulter said that letter set the tone for and encouraged the protesters. She said it’s well known on the campus speaking circuit that conservatives need to travel with security staff, as she did.
“I’m pretty sure little Francois A-Houle does not need to travel with a bodyguard,” she said. “I would like to know when this sort of violence, this sort of protest, has been inflicted upon a Muslim — who appear to be, from what I’ve read of the human rights complaints, the only protected group in Canada. I think I’ll give my speech tomorrow night in a burka. That will protect me.”
Canadian conservative political commentator Ezra Levant, the other speaker travelling with Coulter on the three-city tour, presented by the International Free Press Society of Canada, told the half-filled hall that no more people would be able to enter and that Coulter had been advised it would not be safe for her to appear.
Coulter’s bodyguard ultimately made the judgment, after conferring with security staff on site.
In a short speech, Levant said Tuesday was “an embarrassing day for the University of Ottawa and their student body, who could not debate Ann Coulter . . . who chose to silence her through threats and intimidation, just like their vice-president did.”
Levant laid the blame squarely on Houle.
“A fish rots from the head down,” he said. “Francois Houle got his wish. He telegraphed to the community that the University of Ottawa is not a place for free debate.”
Houle could not be reached for comment Tuesday night.
Levant said the spectacle showed “just how eroded our Canadian values of free speech have become” — especially on university campuses.
“I think this has turned into a teaching moment for the entire country, a reminder that freedom of speech is a Canadian value,” he said.
Rita Valeriano was one of several protesters inside the hall who, with chants of “Coulter go home!” shouted down the International Free Press Society of Canada organizer who was addressing the crowd.
Valeriano, a 19-year-old sociology and women’s studies student, said later that she was happy Coulter was unable to speak the “hatred” she had planned to.
“On campus, we promise our students a safe and positive space,” she said. “And that’s not what (Coulter) brings.”
Outside the hall, Sameena Topan, 26, a conflict studies and human rights major at the U of O, spoke to the Citizen on behalf of a group of protesters.
“We have a large group of students that can very clearly outline the difference between discourse and discrimination,” Topan said of the protest. “We wanted to mobilize and make sure that’s clear on campus, that there’s a line between controversy and discrimination, and Ann Coulter has crossed it. Numerous times.”
“We had concerns about (the event) at the beginning, but especially after we saw what happened at the University of Western Ontario, when she called out a Muslim girl there and was saying she needs to take a camel because Muslim people shouldn’t fly. That kind of stuff just reaffirmed everything that we were afraid of and that’s when . . . we really got worried.”
Topan was pleased to hear the students behind her shout, “Hate speech cancelled!” in unison.
“I think that’s great. I think we accomplished what we were here to do, to ensure that we don’t have her discriminatory rhetoric on our campus,” she said.
Jonathan Reid, 18, a Carleton political science student and a fan of Coulter, brought a book to be signed.
During the protest outside after the event was cancelled, Reid and a group of other students shouted a counter-chant, “No more commies on our campus!,” while pumping their fists. The Coulter protesters moved forward to face them, and TV crew lights lit angry faces.
“It’s a shame,” Reid said of the cancellation. “They claim we’re the intolerant ones, yet they’re the ones who refuse to allow a Conservative speaker to come to campus. That is the definition of intolerance.”
U of O political science student Faris Lehn, 23, said he doesn’t support Coulter’s message, but had hoped for a debate.
“It’s too bad she didn’t get to speak because I think she would have made herself look more ridiculous than anyone here could have made her look,” Lehn said.
“The problem with Ann Coulter . . . is that the arguments that she uses don’t necessarily promote good debate, they promote this,” he said, glancing at the chanting crowd.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100323/coulter_canada_100323/20100323?hub=BritishColumbiaHome (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100323/coulter_canada_100323/20100323?hub=BritishColumbiaHome)
Coulter speech cancelled over fears of violence
CTV.ca News Staff
Updated: Tue. Mar. 23 2010 9:03 PM ET
The University of Ottawa cancelled a speech by U.S. firebrand conservative Ann Coulter late Tuesday, just moments before its scheduled start, because organizers feared protesters would turn violent.
As people were still making their way into the venue, the building had to be evacuated when a fire alarm was triggered.
The incident followed a Monday night lecture at the University of Western Ontario, where Coulter told a Muslim student to "take a camel" as an alternative to flying.
Coulter made the comment as she responded to a question from student Fatima Al-Dhaher, who asked about previous comments in which Coulter said Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes and should take "flying carpets" instead. Al-Dhaher noted she did not own a flying carpet and asked what she should take as an alternative transportation.
Coulter did not deny making the flying carpet comment and replied to the university student, "What mode of transportation? Take a camel," to jeers and cheers. It was a decidedly pro-Coulter audience. One man, who identified himself as a U.S. citizen, described U.S. President Barack Obama as a "Marxist."
Some students, including Al-Dhaher, walked out after the camel comment.
Coulter said Tuesday that her comment about taking flying carpets was a joke that was made during an interview with The Guardian newspaper about racial profiling, and had been taken out of context.
"I can say it a lot quicker with a joke, and by the way, they wouldn't be bringing me in here for a speech if I never told a joke, if I never used satire," Coulter told CTV's Power Play Tuesday. "It's not so much a joke, it's satire because there's a political point behind my saying that they can take flying carpets."
Coulter did not elaborate on what her political point actually was.
She is well-known for her vehement views against Muslims. In a post-September 11 column, she wrote that the U.S. should invade Muslim countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
Al-Dhaher said she attended the lecture "with an open mind" and had not planned to ask a question. However, when Coulter began making remarks about homosexuals, African-Americans and Muslims, she felt the need to speak up, she said.
"I just thought that it was despicable and I thought that I should speak up against it," Al-Dhaher told CTV News Channel Tuesday afternoon. "So, I wrote on my phone because I was afraid I'd get nervous up there and forget my question."
Al-Dhaher said Coulter is entitled to her opinions but said the university could have chosen a right-wing speaker who is less inflammatory.
"I think that if the intention of the university is to bring two different speakers from two different political spectrums, I think that there are better choices from that camp that they could have chosen rather than Ann Coulter, because she is a bit vocal and she is a bit outrageous in some of the things that she says."
Coulter spoke in front of a packed audience of about 800 at the university.
Coulter to file human rights complaint
The cancellation of Coulter's lecture at the University of Ottawa came after she received an email about the limits of free speech in Canada from the school's provost.
The private email, which was leaked to conservative news organizations, noted that Canada's Charter of Rights meant that "promoting hatred against any identifiable group would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges."
Francois Houle, vice-president academic and University of Ottawa provost, invited Coulter to educate herself on Canadian free speech laws.
"We, of course, are always delighted to welcome speakers on our campus and hope that they will contribute positively to the meaningful exchange of ideas that is the hallmark of a great university campus," wrote Houle.
The letter only added fuel to the fire of Coulter's speaking tour, which is titled, "Political Correctness, Media Bias and Freedom of Speech."
Coulter told Power Play that because she is from an identifiable group ("I'm a Christian, I'm a conservative, I'm a female"), she is the victim of a hate crime and will file a complaint with Canada's Human Rights Commission.
Wrong approach by U of Ottawa: MPs
Coulter, who often comments on Fox News, once said Canada is "lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent" after the Canadian government did not join the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Her tour was organized by International Free Press Society, a group whose website sets up Islam as the preeminent threat to democracy in the Western world.
"This jihad, like all jihads before it, will continue until a sharia-based caliphate rules the world, or until it is defeated," the society's policy statement says.
The group also sells one of the infamous Danish Mohammad cartoons, signed by cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, for $250. They are currently sold out.
Among the group's board of advisers are Canadian conservative bloggers Ezra Levant and Kathy Shaidle, author Mark Steyn and far-right Dutch political leader Geert Wilders.
Coulter reportedly commands a $10,000 speaking fee. Her fee is being covered in part by the Claire Boothe Luce Policy Institute, an American group that calls itself the "home of conservative women leaders."
Some critics say trying to quiet Coulter is the wrong approach to discrediting her views.
"In terms of putting limits on what she ... should say or shouldn't say, I'm not sure that helps," New Democrat MP Paul Dewar, told The Canadian Press. "It might add fuel to the fire that she will be probably starting tomorrow."
Liberal MP Scott Brison made a similar comment.
"If you don't agree with what she has to say, then ignore her," he said.
Coulter's Canadian tour wraps up at the University of Calgary on Thursday.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3id51767e5e16b09797270e439dedbbcd6 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3id51767e5e16b09797270e439dedbbcd6)
James Cameron trashes Glenn Beck
'Avatar' director wants to debate Fox News host
By Alex Ben Block
March 24, 2010, 12:36 AM ET
"Avatar" director James Cameron lashed out at Glenn Beck at a press conference Tuesday, offering to debate the Fox News personality on environmental and political issues.
Asked what he thought about Beck during a junket appearance in support of the "Avatar" home-video release, Cameron said: "Glenn Beck is a fucking asshole. I've met him. He called me the anti-Christ and not about 'Avatar.' He hadn't even seen 'Avatar' yet. I don't know if he has seen it."
Cameron was apparently referring to Beck's reaction to his 2007 documentary, "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," which casts doubt on the resurrection of Jesus Christ and makes the case that the ancient "Tomb of the Ten Ossuaries" belonged to Jesus' family.
After blasting Beck, Cameron, surrounded by journalists inside a West Hollywood hillside mansion, seemed to reconsider: "I think, you know what, he may or may not be an asshole, but he certainly is dangerous, and I'd love to have a dialogue with him."
What makes Beck dangerous, THR asked Cameron at the junket.
"He's dangerous because his ideas are poisonous," Cameron answered. "I couldn't believe when he was on CNN. I thought, what happened to CNN? Who is this guy? Who is this madman? And then of course he wound up on Fox News, which is where he belongs, I guess."
Asked by THR if he felt the right wing's attacks against him were continuing, Cameron replied: "They're not attacks. They're just people ranting away, lost in their little bubbles of reality, steeped in their own hatred, their own fear and hatred. That's where it all comes from. Let's just call it out. Let's have a public discussion. That's what movies are supposed to do, you know, you can have a mindless entertainment film that doesn't affect anybody. I wasn't interested in that."
The "Avatar" director was equally unsparing in his comments about those who don't accept global warming as fact.
"That's right," Cameron said. "I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads."
Turning more serious, he added: "Anybody that is a global-warming denier at this point in time has got their head so deeply up their ass I'm not sure they could hear me."
By making the environment the theme of his home video release plan, Cameron is sending a message.
"Look, at this point I'm less interested in making money for the movie and more interested in saving the world that my children are going to inhabit. How about that? I mean look, I didn't make this movie with these strong environmental anti-war themes in it to make friends on the right, you know.
"They're not on my Christmas card list," Cameron added. "It's not going to change my lifestyle at all if they don't talk to me. But you know they've got to live in this world too. And their children do as well, so they're going to have to be answerable to this at some point."
Fox had gathered almost 100 journalists from around the world for a press junket that included screening of four vivid video clips from the movie to show the quality of the conversion.
Cameron and "Avatar" producer Jon Landau opened the program by pledging an environmental theme to the release of "Avatar" into the home video market. The home video release of "Avatar" is now set for April 22, which is not insignificantly Earth Day, as Beck is likely to notice.
While still working for CNN, Beck teed up an on-air interview with Cameron regarding "Tomb" with the following comment, according to a CNN transcript: "Many people believe James Cameron officially has tossed his hat in the ring today and is officially running for anti-Christ."
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I don't get that Coulter was driven off the campus. As I understand it, it was her choice not to attend and police protection would have been available had she attended. She's probably scared of vigorous opposition from a dedicated, knowledgeable and highly intelligent student audience.
For the record, I am not opposed to letting right-wing idiots like her or Glenn Beck speak anywhere in Canada where they can be confronted by an intelligent and articulate opposition. They're so full of shit that it becomes kind of pathetic when their lame-ass "ideas" are irrevocably exposed by relentless intelligent critiquing.
Coulter obviously knows that and took the coward's way out.
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I don't get that Coulter was driven off the campus. As I understand it, it was her choice not to attend and police protection would have been available had she attended. She's probably scared of vigorous opposition from a dedicated, knowledgeable and highly intelligent student audience.
For the record, I am not opposed to letting right-wing idiots like her or Glenn Beck speak anywhere in Canada where they can be confronted by an intelligent and articulate opposition. They're so full of shit that it becomes kind of pathetic when their lame-ass "ideas" are irrevocably exposed by relentless intelligent critiquing.
Coulter obviously knows that and took the coward's way out.
You live in a very scary world, considering how you are able to justify (in your mind) all sorts of despicable behavior towards other human beings ranging from racism, sexism, communism and liberalism. Clearly this board time and again have been able to prove that you are guilty of all those ISMS. Including the one you claim to hold so near and dear to your heart, racism. The way you speak or shall I say write about Conservative women is without a doubt the most extreme sexist hate talk I have ever read. You calling for mass murder of enemies of the socialist/communist state and defending Stalin is over the top. Your double standard for liberal racism is glaring to any open-minded non-partisan person. You can't even see that people surrounding a building to confront Ann Coulter is violence and you condone it as some form of debate by highly intelligent students. I'm sure back in 1964 when black students were surrounded by angry whites, mostly Democrats by the way, they felt like the mob was just there for a highly intelligent debate about the issues. How do you sleep at night?
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<<You live in a very scary world, considering how you are able to justify (in your mind) all sorts of despicable behavior towards other human beings ranging from racism, sexism, communism and liberalism. >>
You're nuts. I'm not racist or sexist and I don't justify racist or sexist behaviour towards others. Communism and liberalism are clearly designed to amelioriate the human condition, to resolve terrible abuses, and to end the exploitation of man over man; liberalism maybe not as radically as communism, but at least some small steps in the right direction.
<<Clearly this board time and again have been able to prove that you are guilty of all those ISMS. >>
Clearly that's nonsense.
<<Including the one you claim to hold so near and dear to your heart, racism. The way you speak or shall I say write about Conservative women is without a doubt the most extreme sexist hate talk I have ever read. >>
Geeze, I didn't realize. What did I say about that racist bitch that makes this "the most extreme sexist hate talk" you have ever read? (You must live a very sheltered life.)
<<You calling for mass murder of enemies of the socialist/communist state and defending Stalin is over the top. >>
That's also nuts. Since when is the liquidation of the enemies of the people the equivalent of "mass murder?" Stalin is a great guy - - he saved the world from Hitler while the Red Army killed more Germans than all the other Allied armies together.
<<Your double standard for liberal racism is glaring to any open-minded non-partisan person. >>
Liberal racism? WTF is that, is it like capitalist communism? There is no such thing as liberal racism, liberals are uniformly AGAINST racism. Sounds like you're really losing it.
<<You can't even see that people surrounding a building to confront Ann Coulter is violence and you condone it as some form of debate by highly intelligent students.>>
LMFAO. If that's violence, then the Tea Party people must be mass murderers.
<<I'm sure back in 1964 when black students were surrounded by angry whites, mostly Democrats by the way, they felt like the mob was just there for a highly intelligent debate about the issues. >>
Sorry to say this, but you really don't seem to know very much about the recent history of your own country. Especially if you don't see the difference - - the REAL violence - - in the mobs that surrounded the civil rights volunteers in the Sixties and the Ottawa University students protesting Ann Coulter. When I talk about the divorce from reality of American conservatives, this is a perfect example. Don't you know those white mobs beat, kicked and killed some of those students? Fractures and fractured skulls were common while the police just stood by and watched, cheered on the white racists or participated themselves in the violence. John Lewis, the Congressman recently subjected to howls of "Nigger" from a Tea Party mob, was almost killed by white racist rioters during the Sixties. And THIS is what you are comparing the Ottawa students to?
<<How do you sleep at night?>>
A lot better than anyone who has to justify Abu Ghraib, the invasions of Viet Nam and Iraq, the torture of prisoners and the subsidizing of the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. Better than anyone who has to live with a history of racism and genocide. Better than anyone who goes to bed with HIS insurance needs satisfied and 47 million of his fellow citizens unable to get insurance and 42,000 of them dying preventable deaths every year thanks to his government's persistent inaction.
Actually, I sleep pretty damn good at night. How about you?
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She just needs to be liquidated......right Tee
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<<You live in a very scary world, considering how you are able to justify (in your mind) all sorts of despicable behavior towards other human beings ranging from racism, sexism, communism and liberalism. >>
You're nuts. I'm not racist or sexist and I don't justify racist or sexist behaviour towards others. Communism and liberalism are clearly designed to amelioriate the human condition, to resolve terrible abuses, and to end the exploitation of man over man; liberalism maybe not as radically as communism, but at least some small steps in the right direction.
<<Clearly this board time and again have been able to prove that you are guilty of all those ISMS. >>
Clearly that's nonsense.
<<Including the one you claim to hold so near and dear to your heart, racism. The way you speak or shall I say write about Conservative women is without a doubt the most extreme sexist hate talk I have ever read. >>
Geeze, I didn't realize. What did I say about that racist bitch that makes this "the most extreme sexist hate talk" you have ever read? (You must live a very sheltered life.)
<<You calling for mass murder of enemies of the socialist/communist state and defending Stalin is over the top. >>
That's also nuts. Since when is the liquidation of the enemies of the people the equivalent of "mass murder?" Stalin is a great guy - - he saved the world from Hitler while the Red Army killed more Germans than all the other Allied armies together.
<<Your double standard for liberal racism is glaring to any open-minded non-partisan person. >>
Liberal racism? WTF is that, is it like capitalist communism? There is no such thing as liberal racism, liberals are uniformly AGAINST racism. Sounds like you're really losing it.
<<You can't even see that people surrounding a building to confront Ann Coulter is violence and you condone it as some form of debate by highly intelligent students.>>
LMFAO. If that's violence, then the Tea Party people must be mass murderers.
<<I'm sure back in 1964 when black students were surrounded by angry whites, mostly Democrats by the way, they felt like the mob was just there for a highly intelligent debate about the issues. >>
Sorry to say this, but you really don't seem to know very much about the recent history of your own country. Especially if you don't see the difference - - the REAL violence - - in the mobs that surrounded the civil rights volunteers in the Sixties and the Ottawa University students protesting Ann Coulter. When I talk about the divorce from reality of American conservatives, this is a perfect example. Don't you know those white mobs beat, kicked and killed some of those students? Fractures and fractured skulls were common while the police just stood by and watched, cheered on the white racists or participated themselves in the violence. John Lewis, the Congressman recently subjected to howls of "Nigger" from a Tea Party mob, was almost killed by white racist rioters during the Sixties. And THIS is what you are comparing the Ottawa students to?
<<How do you sleep at night?>>
A lot better than anyone who has to justify Abu Ghraib, the invasions of Viet Nam and Iraq, the torture of prisoners and the subsidizing of the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. Better than anyone who has to live with a history of racism and genocide. Better than anyone who goes to bed with HIS insurance needs satisfied and 47 million of his fellow citizens unable to get insurance and 42,000 of them dying preventable deaths every year thanks to his government's persistent inaction.
Actually, I sleep pretty damn good at night. How about you?
Mike I stand by everything I said and I won't spend any time defending it. If someone comes forth on your behalf and says the contrary I'll be all ears but I've read your numerous sexist slanders to Sarah Palin and other conservative women or women that you don't agree with. You know exactly what I mean by liberal racism -- and to prove that I'd like for someone other than XO to come on-board and tell me that they don't know what I'm speaking about. Anyway, your country Canada does not allow free speech or free thinking. Your country is oppressive to it's people. You live in a place of intolerance and one-sided thought. Your country is closed minded and racist. You and you fellow citizens believe that minorities are too stupid to take care of themselves and need the government to run every aspect of their lives. Your country is a nanny state and same goes for Europe. The US is following right behind you all. Europe's economy is crashing due to years of Socialism. Now that the US economy is in bad shape our support for Europe is diminishing. We can't militarily defend Europe any longer so they will have to shift monies from social programs to defense, which is almost impossible to do. Fat and lazy socialists have drained all the worlds resources. There isn't any money left. There isn't enough money to pay for health care in the US, Canada or Europe. Soon the left (in the USA) will call for a VAT Tax to pay for health care and other social programs. Liberalism is cancer. Obama, Pelosi & Reid are cancer too.
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<<You live in a very scary world, considering how you are able to justify (in your mind) all sorts of despicable behavior towards other human beings ranging from racism, sexism, communism and liberalism. >>
I'm not racist or sexist and I don't justify racist or sexist behaviour towards others.
You do it all the damn time. Your most recent efforts (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=9328.0) are clear for all to see
Communism and liberalism are clearly designed to amelioriate the human condition, to resolve terrible abuses, and to end the exploitation of man over man; liberalism maybe not as radically as communism, but at least some small steps in the right direction.
Translated: both are designed to control others, and how they are to live their lives, as deemed "appropriate" by those who simply know better. Freedom be damned, when there's so many "abuses" to deal with. In other words, communism is JUST as evil as naziism. Those that disagree and can not be re-educated, ought be liquidated or gased.
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<<Mike I stand by everything I said and I won't spend any time defending it.>>
Of course you won't, Kramer, since I took it all apart line-by-line and showed what a ridiculous load of crap it all was. You have no real answer to anything I said about it.
<<If someone comes forth on your behalf and says the contrary I'll be all ears but I've read your numerous sexist slanders to Sarah Palin . . . >>
Sarah Palin is a fucking moron and has proven it out of her own mouth too many times to count. I've given the examples as they occurred (and there were plenty of them, too) and if you think that because she's a woman, that makes her immune to criticism of her pea-brained utterances, think again.
<< . . . and other conservative women or women that you don't agree with. >>
The only ones I can think of are Michelle Bachmann and Coulter, and I actually praised Bachmann's good looks. That she happens to be a heartless bitch is too bad, but again she won't get a free pass just because she happens to be a good-looking babe. THAT would really be sexist.
<<You know exactly what I mean by liberal racism -- >>
Sure I do, it's a fake concept, a figment of rightwing propaganda. By definition a liberal is open to non-traditional ideas and accepting of otherness, therefore can't possibly be a racist. You have confused the pervasiveness of American racism, and its stubbornness in persisting even among liberals as evidence that liberals are also racist. Liberals are the ones who fight against racism tirelessly and persistently and the fact that it is hard to extirpate even among their own ranks is not evidence of their racism but of their inability to drive that final nail into its coffin.
<< . . . and to prove that I'd like for someone other than XO to come on-board and tell me that they don't know what I'm speaking about. >>
In this group? Lotsa luck!
<<Anyway, your country Canada does not allow free speech or free thinking. >>
I've always admitted we (and the rest of the world) are way behind America in its protection of free speech. I never claimed our country had more freedom of expression than yours, quite the contrary in fact. The Coulter episode however was proof of our devotion to free speech - - the students demonstrated noisily, even rowdily, but in no way in a violent or threatening manner. Coulter chickened out of speaking in front of them from fear that her absurdities would be relentlessly and incontrovertibly exposed by those students and chose to chicken out, blaming a fear of violence. Shame on her.
<<Your country is oppressive to it's people. >>
Huh? Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. We are probably about 98% as free as you are. Of course we can't measure it that precisely, but what I mean is that in some ways (freedom of expression) you have the advantage. In many ways, after your Supreme Court showed the way (as in Miranda warnings) our laws followed. We live in one of the least oppressive societies in the world.
<<You live in a place of intolerance and one-sided thought.>>
We are a country of immigrants from all over the world. Every fucking colour, every fucking race, every fucking nationality and religion. You are just making stuff up out of your head and spewing it out as fast as your fingers can type it. You're talking out of your ass.
<< Your country is closed minded and racist. >>
Right. From the land of the lynch mob. From the land that gouged out 14-year-old Emmett Till's eyes, beat his face to an unrecognizable pulp and then murdered him. For whistling at a white woman. AND got away with it. From the country where a black man is tied to the back of a pickup and dragged down country roads till his head comes off. But it's MY country that is "close minded and racist. Sure, Kramer. Go figure. From this point, I'm reading just to see how much more outrageous this can get.
<<"You and you fellow citizens believe that minorities are too stupid to take care of themselves and need the government to run every aspect of their lives. Your country is a nanny state and same goes for Europe. >>
The nanny seems to be taking better care of us, Kramer, than the capitalist system takes of you. We live longer. 2 and 1/2 years longer in Canada, probably even longer in Europe. Less street crime. LOTS less. WAY less people in prison than The Land of the Free, too. Everyone insured. I don't have to go through the whole litany, do I? Your country is fucked, fucked, fucked. FUCKED. You did it all to yourselves, too. EIGHT YEARS of war and fascism under Bush and the Republicans. War costs money, Kramer, when you want to do it all from a distance and don't have the balls to send in your men mano-a-mano against a force with not even one one-hundredth of your expensive and high-tech weaponry.
<<The US is following right behind you all.>>
Canada's economy is OK, as it happens. We were going up as you were going down, but now Obama is here to rescue you from 8 years of GOP fuck-ups, and instead of gratitude, I sense some unhappiness on your part.
<<Europe's economy is crashing due to years of Socialism.>>
News to me, Kramer. They're going to leave you in the dust. Already have, as it happens. They hit a bump in the road and you think their sky is falling. Bullshit. They're a hell of a lot better able to pull out of their pot-holes than you were to pull out of yours, although now that you seem to have turfed out the GOP, I'd say your chances are a helluva lot better now than they were in 08.
<<Now that the US economy is in bad shape our support for Europe is diminishing. We can't militarily defend Europe any longer so they will have to shift monies from social programs to defense, which is almost impossible to do. >>
They're not doing it. Since they don't have to support Israeli ethnic cleansing on the West Bank, they don't make Arab and Muslim enemies as fast as you do. The more they detach themselves from you, the less enemies they'll have. They realized something you don't - - security doesn't come from having the largest military force on the planet, it comes from not having enemies. They make deals. They compromise. They don't dictate to others. They act in their own national interest, not Israel's.
<<Fat and lazy socialists have drained all the worlds resources. There isn't any money left. There isn't enough money to pay for health care in the US, Canada or Europe. Soon the left (in the USA) will call for a VAT Tax to pay for health care and other social programs. >>
They'll tax the rich, THAT'S for God-damn sure. The days of the free ride are over. Time those bastards paid what they have to pay.
<<Liberalism is cancer. Obama, Pelosi & Reid are cancer too.>>
I got a feeling your fellow citizens are slowly coming around to the perception that capitalism is the cancer, that fascism, racism and militarism come with a huge price tag that the American people can not afford, and that making friends is better than trying to kill every dumb fucking Arab on the planet just to keep The Lobby happy. The U.S. people are going to start demanding leaders who share commonsense values, not the pack of lies and bullshit that the GOP and the Lobby have been feeding them until now.
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Is calling someone a "bitch" any worse or better than calling someone a "nigger"?
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Is calling someone a "bitch" any worse or better than calling someone a "nigger"?
Mike made my case for me
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Calling a woman a bitch is sexist? What's calling a guy a bastard? Also sexist?
You guys are unreal.
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News to me, Kramer. They're going to leave you in the dust. Already have, as it happens. They hit a bump in the road and you think their sky is falling. Bullshit. They're a hell of a lot better able to pull out of their pot-holes than you were to pull out of yours, although now that you seem to have turfed out the GOP, I'd say your chances are a helluva lot better now than they were in 08.
All of these problems have driven the euro down from its November peak of around $1.50 to about $1.37. With the U.S. economy recovering at a more rapid rate than Europe's, and with the Federal Reserve likely to raise interest rates sooner than the European Central Bank, experts are expecting the euro to continue to weaken against the dollar. On the one hand, this is good news. Europe's exporters now find their goods more competitive in world markets, even against those made in China, which pegs its yuan to the strengthening dollar.
On the other hand, a weaker euro raises the price of imports, especially those, like oil, that are denominated in dollars. That increases the possibility that when the EU economies do start to recover, inflationary pressures will force the European Central Bank to tighten sooner than it might otherwise want to do. On the one hand, that is good news: It would contain inflation. On the other hand, it's bad news: It would slow the recovery.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704534904575132061301158560.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704534904575132061301158560.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel)
This is just a continuation of a trend that started with the credit crisis in 2008. Between that year and 2009, the biggest jumps in unemployment by region took place in the European Union and developed economies, where the overall jobless rate increased by 2.3 percentage points, according to the International Labor Organization.
While things leveled off in America and Japan, the outlook remains grim for Europe. Economic sentiment in the region has been improving in the last 10 months, according to the European Commission, but that rebound has already lost some of its momentum. "The E.U. economy is still facing headwinds, and the outlook for the labor market remains unfavorable for 2010," the commission said in its latest monthly report on the region's employment situation.
This shouldn't be surprising considering that the American economy contracted by 2.7% in 2009, while the European Union's contracted by more than 4.1% last year, according to the International Monetary Fund. The sharpest declines took place in the emerging-market nations of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, none of which are members of the OECD.
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Ireland's GDP plunged by 7.5% in 2009 and is expected to fall by another 1% this year, according to the country's Investment and Development Agency. The national economy is also heavily dependent on trade--with exports representing 90% of GDP--so the slow recovery in world trade is exacerbating the country's problems.
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Yet Denmark was the first country in Europe to dip into recession, thanks to a domestic property bust. And Nevlia Konika, an economist with IHS Global Insight, points out that the Danish labor market is actually weakening as wages in the country grow, making its exports and services less competitive.
This could be a growing problem. While emerging nations like China and Brazil make a speedy recovery from their recessions and traditional powerhouses Switzerland and Japan get back on their feet, some of Europe's largest economies are struggling to get their labor markets on track.
Even Germany may see its hefty government spending result in a bigger deficit that hits the job market down the line. Economists at Deutsche Bank expect the jobless rate in Germany to rise to 9.5% in 2011.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/23/worst-countries-jobs-lifestyle-unemployment-rate-rising.html (http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/23/worst-countries-jobs-lifestyle-unemployment-rate-rising.html)
At the same time, market sentiment towards the euro has clearly soured. John Taylor, chairman and chief executive of FX Concepts LLC, the world?s largest currency hedge fund told Bloomberg television that the euro would likely drop to $1.20 by August, compared to about $1.33 at present. The euro was trading at $1.50 last December. ?There?s nothing really good happening in the euro at all. The economy?s weak and you have the southern European countries falling apart,? he said.
Tensions over sovereign debt were stirred further by an announcement from the rating agency, Fitch, that it had cut Portugal?s credit rating for long-term debt from AA to AA minus, citing the high debt levels in the economy, its weak export performance and the likelihood the country?s economic growth remaining weak.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Europe-names-its-next-casualty-pd20100325-3URHV?OpenDocument&src=sph (http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Europe-names-its-next-casualty-pd20100325-3URHV?OpenDocument&src=sph)
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There you have it -- Amianthus agrees with me that SOCIALISM is not only a bankrupt belief system, it's bankrupting Europe, with North America soon to follow unless Obama is stopped. Cleaning up Congress this fall will go a long way in stopping the hemorrhage.
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Calling a woman a bitch is sexist? What's calling a guy a bastard? Also sexist?
You guys are unreal.
Is that an answer to what I asked?
Is calling someone a "bitch" any worse or better than calling someone a "nigger"?
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Calling a woman a bitch is sexist? What's calling a guy a bastard? Also sexist?
You guys are unreal.
Is that an answer to what I asked?
Is calling someone a "bitch" any worse or better than calling someone a "nigger"?
I guess that would depend on whether you were speaking to Pelosi or Obama. ha ha aha hahaahahahahaha now that was funny
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They realized something you don't - - security doesn't come from having the largest military force on the planet, it comes from not having enemies.
Do you belive this in the Stalin vs Hitler disagreement?
Or are there certain times when you do not blame the victim?
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<<Do you belive this in the Stalin vs Hitler disagreement?
<<Or are there certain times when you do not blame the victim?>>
Unless I state otherwise, my comments on policy are meant to apply to the present, not to seventy years in the past.
BTW, Kramer, I have to admit that last crack of yours did make me laugh.
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Yes , people have changed their nature so much in the last seventy years.
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<<Yes , people have changed their nature so much in the last seventy years.>>
The world changed, plane, believe it or not. Seventy years ago it would have been inconceivable that a gang of 20 religious fanatics could bring down the two biggest buildings in New York and kill almost 3,000 people doing it The oceans shrank. The U.S. was immune to foreign attacks on its soil, now, not immune.
plane if the world hasn't changed since 1939, it hasn't changed since 1869. But I don't buy that. It changed a lot, plane, whether you want to admit it or not.
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<<Yes , people have changed their nature so much in the last seventy years.>>
The world changed, plane, believe it or not. Seventy years ago it would have been inconceivable that a gang of 20 religious fanatics could bring down the two biggest buildings in New York and kill almost 3,000 people doing it The oceans shrank. The U.S. was immune to foreign attacks on its soil, now, not immune.
plane if the world hasn't changed since 1939, it hasn't changed since 1869. But I don't buy that. It changed a lot, plane, whether you want to admit it or not.
Hard to beleive that I am talking to the same guy who can't beleive that the American South is not just as racist now as it was in 1865.
The basics of human nature have not changed, Stalin looked weak to Hitler , as it turned out Hitler ws not any stronger himself .
But you might want to tell me that if Stalin was nicer to Hitler or Chaing Ki Sheck was nicer to Tojo, or Hali Selassie was nicer to Mousolini they might never have needed to fight.
Like many other things ,I note ,you understand this backwards.
The weak and thrashing fish leaking blood draw the shark, the limping gazelle attract the lion , the rube attract the conman and the weaker do attract the predacious even when we are talking nations.
Your being nicer idea is interesting , but how is it supposed to work in the days of Jahiad?
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<<Hard to beleive that I am talking to the same guy who can't beleive that the American South is not just as racist now as it was in 1865.>>
Well, I don't know who you're talking to but I'm not that guy. The South is still plenty racist but not nearly as it was when I was a kid. I never said it was just as racist now as then..
<<But you might want to tell me that if Stalin was nicer to Hitler or Chaing Ki Sheck was nicer to Tojo, or Hali Selassie was nicer to Mousolini they might never have needed to fight.>>
No, but I might want to tell you that Iran is not Nazi Germany, Iraq was not Imperial Japan and Afghanistan is not Fascist Italy.
<<Like many other things ,I note ,you understand this backwards.>>
I'll be more polite - - I won't note how YOU understand this.
<<The weak and thrashing fish leaking blood draw the shark, the limping gazelle attract the lion , the rube attract the conman and the weaker do attract the predacious even when we are talking nations.>>
Uh, nice try, but we're not really talking animal instinct here - - I'll assume you were speaking metaphorically.
<<Your being nicer idea is interesting , but how is it supposed to work in the days of Jahiad?>>
You stop enabling those who torture and murder Muslims, steal their land one or two acres at a time and expel them from their homes, because this is what is infuriating young Muslim men and driving them to take up jihad. Not really all that complicated, is it? Get the fuck out of Iraq so the Iraqis can settle their own destiny. How tough is that?