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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 11:23:26 AM

Title: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 11:23:26 AM: April 21 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke introduced the latest remake of the $100 bill, featuring advanced security designs and a larger portrait of founding father Benjamin Franklin.

The bills, viewable at http://www.newmoney.gov/, (http://www.newmoney.gov/,) will go into circulation in February 2011.

The new look, aimed at thwarting counterfeiters, has several new security features, including a ?3-D Security Ribbon? and an image of a bell on the front of the note that, when tilted, changes in color from copper to green. The reverse side of the bill includes a new vignette of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

?As with previous U.S. currency redesigns, this note incorporates the best technology available to ensure we?re staying ahead of counterfeiters,? said Geithner, whose signature appears on the bills.

The bills also retain from the previous version a portrait watermark of Franklin, who signed the Declaration of Independence, as well as a security thread and a ?color- shifting? numeral 100, officials announced at the unveiling ceremony at the Treasury in Washington.

?When the new design $100 note is issued on Feb. 10, 2011, the approximately 6.5 billion older design $100s already in circulation will remain legal tender,? Bernanke said. ?U.S. currency users should know they will not have to trade in their older design $100 notes when the new ones begin circulating.?

The $100 bill is the largest denomination note printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, a division of the Treasury. Larger denominations of $500, $1,000 and more are no longer issued but remain in circulation, especially among collectors.

Article (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=aoLIQa4G1s9g&pid=20601087)

(http://blog.vanityfair.com/online/daily/banknote.jpg)

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz042110dAPR20100420113625.jpg)
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Religious Dick on April 22, 2010, 12:58:56 PM: To bad that can't print our currency so it spends like a Euro....
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: kimba1 on April 22, 2010, 01:16:48 PM: I remember the last time they changed the franklin ,some bank robber thought the bank switched them with fakes so he dumped them in the gutter.
the bank was able to recover all the money.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 22, 2010, 02:14:01 PM: The US Embassy in Teheran in 1977 had a press for printing US bills. At the time of the hostage crises, these were confiscated by the Revolutionary Guards and ended up in the Bekaa Velley of Lebanon, where they printed millions of dollars of US bills from legitimate plates.

This explains why they are spending so much effort in redesigning the money. I fail to see anything wrong with the new $100 bills at all: it seems like a good idea.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 02:38:57 PM: Why make it look like the Euro, if the goal is simply "redesigning"?
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: kimba1 on April 22, 2010, 02:54:49 PM: it just the next step in security

the more colors the more costly it is to copy.

looking like the euro shouldn`t be a deterent if it works.

the real question should be ,is the euro easy or harder to copy?
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 04:19:39 PM: Quote from: kimba1 on April 22, 2010, 02:54:49 PM
looking like the euro shouldn`t be a deterent if it works.

The inferrence is far more transparent, I'm afraid, Kimba. Why can't it be made to work, without looking like the socialist Europe, that most realists can perceive this President wants us to become
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Universe Prince on April 22, 2010, 04:41:01 PM: Quote from: sirs on April 22, 2010, 02:38:57 PM

Why make it look like the Euro, if the goal is simply "redesigning"?

Maybe I haven't seen the most recent version of a euro bill. The new $100 bill design does not look like a copy of a euro bill to me.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 04:52:04 PM: Perhaps we're having a semanatic misuderstanding. I never claimed copy, as in identical. I've been referencing, looks like, as in similar.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Universe Prince on April 22, 2010, 05:05:08 PM: It doesn't look all that similar to me either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New100front.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New100front.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EUR_100_obverse_%282002_issue%29.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EUR_100_obverse_%282002_issue%29.jpg)

Tell me why I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 05:14:05 PM: You're wrong in that the prior $100 bill had no similarity what-so-ever to the Euro. Now, as "I" can tell, there's much more geometry in the new bill, similar to the Euro, with both bills appearing to be segmented.

Given the prior to after views the American $100, it distinctly looks far more similar to the Euro now

I guess we're perceiving things differently, and why I never claimed a copy
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: kimba1 on April 22, 2010, 06:06:58 PM: after looking at the euro I see the problem

more accurately it doesn`t look like the euro ,it looks like most currency in the world finally.
meaning it`s multi-color.
seriously I`ve often heard the U.S. has the most boring looking money around.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Universe Prince on April 22, 2010, 06:07:50 PM: Quote from: sirs on April 22, 2010, 05:14:05 PM

You're wrong in that the prior $100 bill had no similarity what-so-ever to the Euro. Now, as "I" can tell, there's much more geometry in the new bill, similar to the Euro, with both bills appearing to be segmented.

I have no idea what you mean by that.

Quote from: sirs on April 22, 2010, 05:14:05 PM

Given the prior to after views the American $100, it distinctly looks far more similar to the Euro now

Looking at both of them, I still don't see any real similarity. Both are rectangular and have a large sans-serif 100 on them (the 100 euro bill on the obverse and the 100 dollar bill on the reverse). Other than that, and that isn't much, they don't seem similar in aesthetic design at all.

Quote from: sirs on April 22, 2010, 05:14:05 PM

I guess we're perceiving things differently, and why I never claimed a copy

Forget about "copy". Just let it go.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 06:36:18 PM: Quote from: Universe Prince on April 22, 2010, 06:07:50 PM
Quote from: sirs on April 22, 2010, 05:14:05 PM

You're wrong in that the prior $100 bill had no similarity what-so-ever to the Euro. Now, as "I" can tell, there's much more geometry in the new bill, similar to the Euro, with both bills appearing to be segmented.

I have no idea what you mean by that.

As I said, you're obviously perceiving things differently. LOOK at the new dollar & euro, and you'll see precisely what I mean. I've specifically referenced how they're now similar, compared to when they weren't. Maybe it'll help if you lay all 3 bills for visual inspection

(http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/bill.jpg)

(http://www.dreamstime.com/100-euro-one-hundred-thumb4044644.jpg)

(http://blog.vanityfair.com/online/daily/banknote.jpg)

Notice how the blue strip segments the U.S. $100 now, similar in that the Euro is segmented?? Notice all the cool colors the U.S. $100 has now, similar to the Euro? Notice how it's much close in appearance to the Euro now, than the prior??

If you don't wish to accept these new similarities, no biggie. I've made my point
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Amianthus on April 22, 2010, 06:40:33 PM: That "blue strip" probably won't be visible, IIRC. I think that's the embedded Mylar strip, enhanced to show it's location in the sample.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 22, 2010, 07:09:09 PM: Since I don't have access to any hundreds (left my other wallet in the Porsche), all I have to go by is the pictures presented. Blue strip or not, it still provides a kind-of-a demarcation in the bill, similar to how the Euro has been segmented.

And one last time, since this is all personal perceptions with no right or wrong answer really, using both the prior U.S. bill with the "new fangled" one, the newer one demonstrates a (dare I say it) obvious reach towards looking more like the Euro than not
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: kimba1 on April 22, 2010, 07:23:32 PM: not that I do this
but the best would be the $20 not the $100
most cashiers will only use the pen for the $20 ,the $100 has too many problem to be able to pass as easy.

and the pen is easy to trick with a fine spray of aquanet.

and the thread can be made by creating a faint image with a high grade printer with a good graphics program.

remember it doesn`t have to be exact to trick a cashier.

but I`m only guessing-I have knowledge of american counterfitting
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Universe Prince on April 22, 2010, 10:37:27 PM: Quote from: Amianthus on April 22, 2010, 06:40:33 PM

That "blue strip" probably won't be visible, IIRC. I think that's the embedded Mylar strip, enhanced to show it's location in the sample.

Actually, I think it will be visible. Look here: http://www.newmoney.gov/newmoney/Default.aspx (http://www.newmoney.gov/newmoney/Default.aspx)
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2010, 12:14:27 PM: I fail to see what is wrong with US currency slightly resembling the Euro, or what is wrong with making it harder to counterfeit, which is what the changes clearly do. The Euro is rather attractive, as money goes, and the denominations are marked with huge letters and different colors and sizes, which make it easier for the blind or nearsighted to deal with.

I see no advantage in having money that is easily counterfeited by Shiites in the Bekaa Valley. Does anyone?
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 23, 2010, 12:20:29 PM: <----------------------- <point . >------------------------

Xo's head ------> O
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2010, 08:45:26 PM: The complaint is that the $100 bill resembles the Euro, which it does only slightly.
I fail to see why the new bill is not an improvement on the ones it replaced in every way.

Sirs is clearly a moron, so I wasn't expecting any validation from him on anything.
Title: Re: Even our new currency is made to look like the Euro
Post by: sirs on April 23, 2010, 10:48:44 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2010, 08:45:26 PM
The complaint is that the $100 bill resembles the Euro, which it does only slightly.

Thank you for finally conceding the point, though transparent minimizing effort is duely noted

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2010, 08:45:26 PM
I fail to see why the new bill is not an improvement on the ones it replaced in every way.

The point was never on the improvement, as it could have been improved without being made to look similar to the Euro

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 23, 2010, 08:45:26 PM
Sirs is clearly a moron, so I wasn't expecting any validation from him on anything.

Way to facilitate that dialog you so often complain is missing. Give Xo a hand. Especially considering that no one, including sirs, was asking for any kind of validation, to anything