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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on June 02, 2010, 09:53:23 AM
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Turkey, Israel near clash after terror cell exposed on flotilla.
Israel flies embassy families out
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
June 2, 2010, 7:21 AM (GMT+02:00)
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Early Wednesday, June 2, US president Barack Obama stepped into the fast-deteriorating flotilla crisis to stop it from spinning out of control. In secret phone calls, he asked Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu to release all the remaining passengers without delay as well as the six ships. He then tried to reason with the incandescent Turkish prime minister Recep Erdogan, who had just branded the Israeli raid a "bloody massacre."
Offering deep condolences for the loss of life aboard the flotilla, the US president said better ways must be found to bring humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza without undermining Israel's security. He supported the UN Security Council's call for "a credible, impartial and transparent investigation" of the event, but refused to condemn Israel or take the inquiry out of its hands. debkafile reports from Ankara that Erdogan declined to be talked round, declaring that if America did not punish Israel for insolently "trampling on human honor", Turkey would.
Overnight, Israel began evacuating diplomats' families from Turkey. Diplomatic and consular staff were left in place in Ankara and Istanbul and told along with security firms to stand by for departure.
Netanyahu called the second security cabinet meeting in two days after the first on Tuesday approved the continued blockade of Gaza against all attempts to break it.
Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad again threatened Israel with destruction for any action it may take anywhere and its Western supporters with international trial as war criminals.
Israel is preparing for Ankara's next steps that would defy President Obama's bid to find a way out of the crisis between the two former allies. In Jerusalem, Erdogan's accusations were deemed an unfounded and unjustified assault considering the evidence that he had consorted with terrorists, including an al Qaeda offshoot, to bring Israel under pressure in support of the Palestinian extremist Hamas.
This evidence released by the IDF Monday night, June 1, described how the Turkish Marmara, the flotilla's lead vessel, had been commandeered by terrorists indirectly supported by the Ankara government's subsidy to the Turkish Insani Yardim Vakfi - IHH, which is listed by the American CIA as an al Qaeda-linked Islamist terrorist organization with bases in Turkey, Bosnia and Bulgaria.
Those passengers attested to more than a hundred members of terrorist organizations aboard acting like a quasi-military group with a command hierarchy, whose leader forced the other four or five hundred passengers to fall into line behind them. The group was split into sub-sections, each in charge of a section of the ship before and after it set sail from Istanbul. Its members were all armed with an assortment of chains, iron bars and knives as well as night goggles and gas masks.
Although they appeared to hail from different terrorist organizations from various countries, they were all ordered to say they belonged to the IHH. The group kept the ship to a strict military regiment, including round-the-clock guards in the different sections of the Marmara.
When the ship was brought to Ashdod port and the passengers removed early Tuesday, the IHH members were found without identification papers of any kind. Either the Turkish authorities at Istanbul were instructed to let them embark aboard the Marmara without documents or they threw them overboard before the ship docked at Ashdod. Each had an envelope stuffed with thousands of dollars.
debkafile's intelligence sources disclose that, when first brought in, the Turkish terror activists refused to answer questions. By Tuesday nightfall, a few began talking and admitted to being members of IHH and its ties with al Qaeda's Balkan outfit. Throughout the interrogations, Israel intelligence was in contact with colleagues in Western services for help to identify them by means of fingerprints and other physical features.
Our counter-terror sources report that Israel must now decide whether to prosecute some of the activists, including Israeli Arabs, on board the Marmara, on charges of collaborating with an international terrorist organization.
During Tuesday, Israel began deporting the 679 passengers - including 128 for Arab and Muslim countries through Jordan. The rest will be flown out within 48 hours. Three Turkish jets were due to collect them Wednesday. Eight Israel trucks brought assistance products from the ships to Gaza Tuesday; another 10 will make deliveries Wednesday.
Israel intelligence agencies too have questions to answer - principally, how they missed spotting the terrorist presence aboard the putative aid-for-Gaza convoy and let a naval force undertake the mission to divert the ships to Ashdod, without preparing them for a violent confrontation with a determined, well-organized group of violent men.
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Bullshit.
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Debkafiles is pure propaganda. Also, as we have seen over and over again, they are wrong far more often than they are right.
There were no weapons on the boats. The only thing that Debkafiles is bitching about are the opinions of several of the people on the boat.
People on a boat bringing aid to the imprisoned people of Gaza oppose those who have imprisoned the people of Gaza, invaded Gaza and destroyed homes and infrastructure and made the lives of all Gazans even more miserable.
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IDF: Global Jihad links on flotilla
By YAAKOV KATZ
06/01/2010 22:41
Fifty 'Mavi Marmara' passengers tied to global jihad network
Dozens of passengers who were aboard the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship are suspected of having connections with global jihad-affiliated terrorist organizations, defense officials said on Tuesday, amid growing concerns that Turkish warships would accompany a future flotilla to the Gaza Strip.
According to the defense officials, the IDF has identified about 50 passengers on the ship who could have terrorist connections with global jihad-affiliated groups.
During its searches of the Mavi Marmara on Tuesday, the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks. On Monday morning, at least nine foreign activists were killed during the navy's takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which was trying to break Israel?s blockade of the Gaza Strip.
The group of over 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash.
The military is working to identify the passengers and is looking into the possibility that some of them have been involved in terror attacks. Some of them are apparently known Islamic extremists.
"This is the group that was behind the violent lynch against the naval commandos," a defense official said. "They came on board the ship prepared and after they had trained for the expected navy takeover."
Late Tuesday, there were reports that Issam al-Budur, Jordan's consul in Israel, reached an agreement with Israel according to which another group of 124 detained flotilla activists would be taken by bus to Jordan and sent from there to their home countries. The detainees are Jordanian, Mauritanian, Moroccan, Kuwaiti, Pakistani, Indonesian and Syrian.
Meanwhile Tuesday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned Israel not to test Ankara's patience.
"Turkey's hostility is as strong as its friendship is valuable," he said. "Israel in no way can legitimize this murder, it cannot wash its hand of this blood."
This comment, officials said, could signify a change in Turkish military posture in the event that another flotilla is dispatched to the Gaza Strip. One official said that the chances that Turkey would send navy ships were slim "due to its membership in NATO" but that the issue was of great concern.
"This is a definite possibility that we need to prepare for," a senior defense official said.
The flotilla that arrived late on Sunday night comprised six ships, and another two ships, including the Rachel Corrie, are expected to attempt to enter Israeli waters in the coming days.
Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement, which organized the flotilla, said that two vessels, one a cargo ship and another carrying about three dozen passengers, would arrive in the region late this week or early next week.
"This initiative is not going to stop," she said from the group's base in Cyprus. "We think eventually Israel will get some kind of common sense. They're going to have to stop the blockade of Gaza, and one of the ways to do this is for us to continue to send the boats."
Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen described the Rachel Corrie as Irish-owned and said it should be allowed to finish its mission, according to Reuters. The ship was carrying 15 activists, including a northern Irish Nobel Peace laureate.
"The government has formally requested the Israeli government to allow the Irish-owned ship... to be allowed to complete its journey unimpeded and discharge its humanitarian cargo in Gaza," Cowen told members of parliament in Dublin.
Navy sources said that the ships sailing toward Gaza would be intercepted the same way the flotilla was stopped on Monday morning, although it had yet to be decided if the operation would be carried out by Shayetet 13, the navy's commando unit.
"We are tracking the ships and are under orders to stop them," a top navy officer said.
According to the sources, in a future operation, the navy would use more force.
"We boarded the ship [the Mavi Marmara] and were attacked as if it were a war," one officer said. "That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it were a war."
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177169 (http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177169)
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I read the Jerusalem Post last night on the internet. Smart fucking bastards, they had set up a link on Hufpo that gave the reader no idea he'd be linking to them. They hit all the "talking points" the ZioNazi bullshit machine had set up in response to the massacre: "terrorists," self-defence (in the course of committing an act of piracy on the high seas, that's gotta be a first-ever!!!) secure borders, five out of six, etc. It was hilarious.
Looks like the bastards are going to once again escape the consequences of their actions, even with the Turks. What a fucking game. Everyone lets off steam with two or three days of yelling and screaming and then it's back to business as usual. Far from severing all ties, the Turks are going to accept the scheduled delivery of a new Israeli weapons system, Obama isn't even gonna yell and scream as much as the other world leaders, the UN Security Council has already been rendered powerless by a US veto and by this time next week the whole thing will have blown over, like the Gaza massacres or the Goldstone Report.
Also by this time next week, the US will probably be back in business demanding punishing new sanctions for . . . IRAN!!!
Like the whole thing just never happened. It is absolutely amazing what these little fuckers can get away with.
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I doubt that Israel will be able to enjoy the same relationship they formerly had with Turkey.
The Miami Herald opined that Israel has done the right thing. An Israeli propagandist named Ghitis ran a column in which she claimed that Israel had done the wrong thing, as it should have EXPECTED resistance to their act of piracy and come better prepared to subdue the evildoers, who she failed to mention, had come to donate food and materials to the people of Gaza.
I am wondering what Mohandas Gandhi would have done. Surely there is a more effective way of winning public sympathy for the cause of the Gazans that firing those stupid rockets. I am pretty sure that some form of passive resistance would work against the hardline Israelis like Netanyahu. Firing rockets expresses rage, but it is counterproductive. Grabbing and holding hostages is also counterproductive.
Some Israeli clown claimed that for what the rockets cost, Hamas could feed Gaza many times over. he claimed that the existence of fancy food on Gaza restaurant menus proved that Gazans were not mistreated.
In the West Bank, they can negotiate over territory, but the only things that the Israelis could grant the Gazans seem to be faster checkpoints and better infrastructure, ie water, electricity and sewer, and stuff like that. They are not going to allow a functioning and unrestricted airport of seaport. All Hamas has that Israel wants seems to be that one hostage and a cutoff of rocket attacks.
Israel's posture towards Gaza seems to be one of simply ignoring the 1,500,000 prisoners of Gaza for another 60 years or so. There are cultural differences between the West Bankers and Gaza, and Gazans are looked down upon by the WB'er Palestinians. The Israelis have successfully managed to exploit this rift.
What do you think the people of Gaza should do? I tend to think that Hamas has no functional plan, other than sending more rockets and staying in power.
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In the short run, the Gazans are fucked. Even the Turks are unwilling to sever ties with Israel over this. The delivery of new Israeli weapons systems is more important to them than revenge for the killing of their own citizens. The real problem of the Gazans (and the Palestinians generally) is that for all practical purposes, they're virtually isolated. Apart from Iran, the U.S. seems to have locked up all the regional states under corrupt puppet regimes, and the Israelis seem to have locked up the U.S. itself. It seems airtight.
Long-run, they've got only two hopes, neither of them exactly locked in.
Europe and Iran.
If Iran can grow its position as a regional power, as it seems to be doing, and specifically with the acquisition of a credible nuclear deterrent, it will not only be able to give more direct military aid to the Gazans and the Palestinians in general, but it may promote an increasingly powerful anti-American wave that could topple some or all of the puppet regimes of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. This could happen through direct spread of Shi'ite religious dogma among the general population and/or through reaching out to Sunnis across the sectarian divide, convincing them that as fellow Muslims, their common enemies are the U.S. and Israel, rather than one another. Either way, the puppet, American-owned collaborator regimes in the Middle East will have to fall before the Gazans can expect to receive some relief.
In Europe, the Gazans and the Palestinians have more support among the people than would seem to be reflected by the ruling political parties. The boycott of Israel has a firm foothold there and now seems to be growing. Norwegian public opinion is now 40% in favour of boycotting Israeli goods, and in Italy, two big supermarket chains have just agreed to the banning of produce from Israel's biggest exporter of farm produce from the illegal settlements in the occupied territories. Solid steps are being made in the European boycott process, which appears poised for a big expansion, particularly in the wake of the latest Israeli massacre.
The long-term future of the Gazans and the Palestinians generally will have to depend on the armed struggle, but unless Iran significantly increases its clout and unless the bigger puppet regimes in the region are toppled, the only certainty is that they'll vanish in the absence of an armed struggle and their chances of winning it are still very unclear.
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...or until the Middle East Arab countries finally stops harrasing & targeting Israel. Letting Israel live in peace would be the fastest track to peace, for all concerned, including the Palestinians
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Letting Israel live in peace would be the fastest track to peace, for all concerned, including the Palestinians
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Israel living in peace would be a constantly expanding Israel, an Israel that used more and more water resources of the area, leaving less and less for the Palestinians. The more peaceful Israel is, the more Jewish immigrants come, and the greater the strain on the environment. The Palestinians would be progressively marginalized. With resources like land and water this is a zero-sum game: what is taken by Zionists will deprive the Palestinians.
For the Palestinians to accede to this would be like you to volunteer to be a Black garbageman in Memphis c. 1960 or a cotton sharecropper c. 1890.
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I do not see armed struggle as being effective unless, of course, far more countries attack Israel than just Palestinians. This was tried, and the Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians and Jordanians were routed.
There is not going to be any mass conversions of Sunnis to Shiites. That would be like New York Jews becoming Falashas.
Eventually, the Palestinians will outnumber the Jews in Israel proper, and will be able to vote themselves into power, or more likely, to make a coalition with Israeli peaceniks ad shut the Likud and fanatical religious parties out.
A boycott of Israel in the EU is possible, but not terribly likely: it would have to be at the consumer level. For the very first time, the Hengst Diesel filter for my car claims to be "Made in Israel" other than in Germany or the Czech Republic. It is identical in every way to the Hengst filter I removed.
Perhaps I will simply wash them out with degreaser and not buy any more. This is a clear plastic thing and washing takes about a week of shaking and refilling and another two weeks to dry. It saves me all of $2.50.
I was thinking of a passive resistance tactic. As I said, what would Gandhi-Ji do?
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Letting Israel live in peace would be the fastest track to peace, for all concerned, including the Palestinians
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Israel living in peace would be a constantly expanding Israel, an Israel that used more and more water resources of the area, leaving less and less for the Palestinians.
ONLY in the regions that Israel had to take in originally defending itself. And some of that they've already turned over. They're not expanding, just to expand. They're expanding ONLY in the areas they already occupy. Sorry
The more peaceful Israel is, the more Jewish immigrants come, and the greater the strain on the environment.
Ahhh, so Xo is supportive of more violence? because Israeli Peace is detrimental to the region? since Israelis would supposedly want to return to their roots? Interesting
The Palestinians would be progressively marginalized.
They already are, but not by your standard bad guys, the U.S. & Israel, but by all the Arab nations in the region & UN as well, using the Palestinians as political fodder to keep harrasing and targeting Israel
And the cycle continues
See Tee, no insults, no calling Xo a liar. Actually substantive dialog. You should try it sometime. You might learn something. I might even learn something
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I don't recall Tee EVER calling me a liar.
I am not for aggression or war, as they always cause more problems than they solve, unless Group A totally wipes out Group B with no destruction of habitat. Ants seem good at this. people, much less so.
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So many problems in the world could be averted if we just had some of those cool Star Trek weapons: the one that puts everyone to sleep, and phasers set to "stun".
Jean-Luc Piccard could have settled Palisrael in 49 minutes. With some help from "Q", a realistic fake beard and wig and a long robe, fifteen minutes is all it would take: time for dalliance between Riker and an alien, or Data and a malfunctioning planetary terraform device.
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What do you think the people of Gaza should do?
Obviously what they are doing isn't working. Look at them.
Life is racing by. The world is passing them by. They
remain in a bad situation because they will not
admit/give-in to the obvious.
What would I do if my enemy was winning,
and 100 times stronger than me? What would I do to
allow my children to "move on"? Personally I would be at
my enemy's office tomorrow morning and say "ok you win,
you are stronger, you are wealthier, you live, we suffer,
and I want to change that...now...today. So I will lay down
my arms, I will announce publicly that the State of Israel
has the right to exist, I will call for an immediate stoppage
of all violence towards my enemy, and I will do anything
asked to promote a sincere friendship, co-existence, and
moving forward relationship with Israel and I will be ok
with Israel living in peace and making the final decisions
as long as I can maintain my dignity and we both work
honestly to end my people's suffering moving forward.
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I don't recall Tee EVER calling me a liar.
I don't recall saying Tee EVER did
I am not for aggression or war, as they always cause more problems than they solve, unless Group A totally wipes out Group B with no destruction of habitat. Ants seem good at this. people, much less so.
Yet you yourself conclude that a peaceful Israel is detrimental to the region. If so, how could you not be supportive of anything other than violence to prevent such a peaceful resolution?? You think Israel's just going to roll over and become the spanking boy to its Arab neighbors?? I sure don't see that happening anytime soon.
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<<I do not see armed struggle as being effective unless, of course, far more countries attack Israel than just Palestinians. >>
This is more or less my view. Alone, the Palestinians are fucked. All they can expect from the rest of the world is words. Denunciations, expressions of shock and outrage, recalling of ambassadors and then . . . nothing. Everybody gets back to business as usual. The Palestinians? FUCK the Palestinians. And this is not only the reaction of the U.S. and Israel, but the reaction of the entire Arab world as well.
<<This was tried, and the Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians and Jordanians were routed.>>
Add the Iraqis to that list, they also sent a small contingent to join the effort in 1948 and again in 1967. As did the Saudis and other North African Arab countries. The short answer is, that was then, this is now. In 1948, the only effective fighting force in the whole mix was Jordan's Arab Legion, a modern, British-trained, British-officered Bedouin force under the command of the legendary Glubb Pasha (John Glubb,) The Egyptian army today would turn in a much better performance than it did in 1948, 1956 or even 1967. A pan-Arab army would do a lot better today than it ever has in the past, but the problem of course is the control of many Arab countries by U.S. puppet cliques ruling with an iron fist and backed by U.S. dollars, and, when necessary, U.S. torrpl.
There is not going to be any mass conversions of Sunnis to Shiites. That would be like New York Jews becoming Falashas.
<<Eventually, the Palestinians will outnumber the Jews in Israel proper, and will be able to vote themselves into power, or more likely, to make a coalition with Israeli peaceniks ad shut the Likud and fanatical religious parties out.>>
Yes, the "Revenge of the Cradle." I don't think the Israelis will ever let that happen. They have already planned to settle Orthodox Jewish families whose fertility rates are equal to or higher than the Arabs' in northern settlement areas where the Palestinians are actually predicted to outnumber the Jews by natural increase in a few years. I believe that through a policy of deportations, forced evictions and, if necessary, mass murder, the Israelis are determined not to let this happen.
<<A boycott of Israel in the EU is possible, but not terribly likely: it would have to be at the consumer level. >>
That's exactly what is happening in Europe as we speak. As I say, the boycott has only a foothold now, and only in some countries. But as Israeli crimes and atrocities multiply, count on the boycott to spread. It's already gotten quite a boost from the aid-ship massacre.
<<For the very first time, the Hengst Diesel filter for my car claims to be "Made in Israel" other than in Germany or the Czech Republic. It is identical in every way to the Hengst filter I removed.
<<Perhaps I will simply wash them out with degreaser and not buy any more. This is a clear plastic thing and washing takes about a week of shaking and refilling and another two weeks to dry. It saves me all of $2.50.>>
To be effective, the distributor has to be officially advised that a product is being boycotted and WHY it is being boycotted. Preferably on the letterhead of an organized boycott group. Preferably with a list of thousands of signatures of real boycotters. While a spontaneous boycott by one individual is commendable, it's not likely to be very effective.
<<I was thinking of a passive resistance tactic. As I said, what would Gandhi-Ji do? >>
Whatever he'd do, the ZioNazi-controlled MSM would find a clear way to block or counter it. Their control of US MSM is legendary - - you can be sure the whole Ghandian effort would be relegated to the back pages or to a 15-second clip, drowned in the "reaction" to the action by dozens of Israeli spokesmen or professional ZioNazi apologists, and would vanish from the 24-hour news cycle in about 2 days, never to reappear.
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Israel reports discovery of arms cache on board Gaza aid ship
By Jon Rosamond and Yaakov Katz
02 June 2010
Israeli security forces have reported finding a weapons cache on board the Turkish-flagged merchant vessel in which around 10 pro-Palestinian civilian activists were killed during a boarding operation by Israel Navy (IN) commandos.
The deaths occurred during close-quarter fighting between individuals travelling in the Mavi Marmara one of six vessels in a convoy that attempted to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza on 31 May and members of the Flotilla 13 (Shayetet) naval special forces unit.
Later that day the ship was brought into the Israeli port of Ashdod, where searchers found "a supply of weapons including knives, Molotov cocktails, detonators, wood and metal clubs, slingshots and rocks, large hammers and sharp metal objects", according to the Israel Defence Force (IDF). "In addition gas masks were found, pointing to the prior intention of the ship's passengers to use violence against IDF soldiers who would then be forced to use riot dispersal methods."
Mavi Marmara was the largest vessel in the convoy that left Cyprus on 30 May carrying 10,000 tons of humanitarian supplies to the Gaza Strip, which has been under Israeli blockade since the Islamist Hamas movement seized power in the 25 mile-long territory in 2007.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jni/jni100602_1_n.shtml (http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jni/jni100602_1_n.shtml)
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KNIVES! Were they Turkish scimitars?
Slingshots! Them Philistines learned about them from David.
Rocks! Clubs! Gas masks!
Oh, please!
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Yes, please .... pay attention to the facts, including that Israel did not "attack some innocent floatilla",, validated by the fact that the 1st group of flotillas were let thru without incident, that Israeli troops initially were brandishing paintball guns, so as NOT to cause any supposed "massacre" of civilians, that they were the ones initially attacked, including firearms taken from the 1st Israeli soldiers to step on deck of the last flotilla, and subsequently required more lethal force to defend themselves
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The Israelis were assholes. Knives hardly amount to an arms cache. Gasmasks are defensive, and not weapons at all.
The damned Zionists look like shit and fell in it, to Hell with them and the horse they rode in on. Now watch and see what comes across that Egyptian checkpoint. This was a job for diplomacy and the fools sent commandos.
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This was a job for restraint, and the Jihadists showed none. Nor would I have expected them to. It's exactly what they wanted. Again, NOTHING would have occured, if they didn't start attacking Israeli soldiers, but that wasn't the purpose of the Jihadists on board.
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Thats a good one SIRS! :D
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An Israeli commando playing the role of a piñata. Cool!
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Could someone tell me ,....
...what sort of humanitarian aid is four hundred Turkish persons?
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An Israeli commando playing the role of a piñata. Cool!
Xo's starting to get it
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<<What would I do if my enemy was winning,
. . . ? Personally I would be at
my enemy's office tomorrow morning . . . I will lay down
my arms, . . . and I will do anything
asked to promote a sincere friendship, . . . and I will be ok
with Israel living in peace and making the final decisions
as long as I can maintain my dignity and we both work
honestly to end my people's suffering moving forward.>>
That's really nice. And your enemy would say, fine, give me all your weapons and let's shake hands.
And tomorrow your enemy would say, uh, would you mind evacuating your home because that Jewish settlement is expanding and needs the land. You could move in with your brother's family, or maybe you'd like to go to the refugee camp near Ramallah.
Or maybe they would tell you, here's a map of the new road connecting the two new Jewish settlements, but it's for Jews only, so you won't be able to use it or cross it. And when you tell them, but it cuts me off from my olive trees, how am I supposed to get there to look after them and harvest them, they will tell you, Gee, I don't know, it will be hard for you, my brother, but you will have to find a way.
This is a fight for land, CU4. It won't stop when the fighting stops. It will stop when the Jews have all the land or the Arabs have all the land. The Palestinians are mostly Muslims. They aren't afraid to die. They'll get their land back or they'll die in the attempt. Either way, they'll keep their honour. Going to the enemy and telling him You win, they'll lose their land AND their honour. It's a no-brainer.
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The so-called Jewish "land grab" stopped in 1967. There has been no "expansion" since, so the so-called notion that the Jews are after all the Middle East land is, dare I say it,......?
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I wish we had a leader like this!
*UPDATE 2/3* Netanyahu Speaks about Israeli Flotilla Raid (6.2.10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUG12kU8-jE#ws)
"This wasn't a love boat, this was a hate boat...
These weren't pacifists, these were violent supporters of terrorism,"
Benjamin Netanyahu
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We did....not that long ago
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Vice President Joe Biden agreed that Israel had a right to inspect the cargo.
"You can argue whether Israel should have dropped people onto that ship or not
... but the truth of the matter is, Israel has a right to know, they're at war
with Hamas, has a right to know whether or not arms are being smuggled in," he said.
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Netanyahu is an unspeakable turd. He deserves to be the next piñata. He is a terrible leader. Now what gets into Gaza is determined by Egyptians, not Israelis, as a result of his stupid actions.
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<<"This wasn't a love boat, this was a hate boat...>>
Says the man whose blockade starves children, women and old men. Whose blockade means death for patients awaiting treatment but aren't allowed out to get it. Who won't allow the hospitals bombed into rubble to be rebuilt.
<<These weren't pacifists, these were violent supporters of terrorism," >>
Says the man whose commandos just murdered at least 9 of them in cold blood for the "crime" of bringing humanitarian relief to an illegally blockaded civilian population.
This is the leader you want? A lying sack of shit? Who tells you with a straight face that black is white and white is black? Why do you want a leader like that? Wasn't eight years of Bush enough?
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<<"This wasn't a love boat, this was a hate boat...>>
Says the man whose blockade starves children, women and old men.
Says the man who continues to ignore that such aide is consistently allowed thru, including all but the last ship of this particular flotilla
<<These weren't pacifists, these were violent supporters of terrorism," >>
Says the man whose commandos just murdered at least 9 of them in cold blood for the "crime" of bringing humanitarian relief to an illegally blockaded civilian population.
This is the leader you want? A lying sack of shit? Who tells you with a straight face that black is white and white is black? Why do you want a leader like that? Wasn't eight years of Bush enough?
You don't really want to go there Tee. You're butchering the current reality & set of facts. You really want to go down that road again?? Facts to a rabid liberal, like krypotonite to superman