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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on June 04, 2010, 12:48:58 AM
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/03/mans-death-at-border-brings-protest/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/03/mans-death-at-border-brings-protest/)
Man's death at border brings protest
By Sandra Dibble, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Thursday, June 3, 2010 at 6:48 p.m.
Several dozen people chanting “justicia” marched at the San Ysidro border crossing Thursday to protest the death of Anastasio Hernandez, a Mexican citizen who died after a scuffle with U.S. border agents.
As evening rush-hour commuters streamed past, the protesters gathered at the southbound pedestrian crossing, just yards from where the incident took place.
“We’re touched by the story, the fact that this man was in the United States for so long,” said Donna Havrilak, who drove down from Fallbrook. “He was treated inhumanely.”
The protest was organized by the Raza Rights Coalition and the American Friends Service Committee. Hernandez, 42, was a longtime resident of Encanto who died after being shot with a Taser gun by a federal officer.
The San Diego County Medical Examiner’s Office listed methamphetamine abuse, high blood pressure and the physical altercation with officers as factors that contributed to Hernandez’s death.
Hernandez had lived illegally in the United States since entering the country as a teenager. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the San Diego Police Department are investigating the Friday night incident.
According to San Diego police, Hernandez was being returned to Mexico when he started fighting with Border Patrol agents. Hernandez had a heart attack and stopped breathing shortly after a U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent shot him with a Taser.
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Where did it say in the story that this poor man was a dependent of the state?
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Where did it say in the story that this poor man was a dependent of the state?
he takes up resources
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Where does it say that the resources he takes up are more than the taxes he pays in?
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Where does it say that the resources he takes up are more than the taxes he pays in?
where did it say he pays his taxes?
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He was there for over 20 years and he never made a single purchase? Never earned a dollar in taxable income?
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That apparently behooves Tee to demonstrate a table, by where this fella paid more in taxes, than the resources he used?
I hope no one is holding their breath
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this might be the turning point.
the current trend is all illegals are the same. this might change it.
we`ll see in a 2 weeks
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for some reason people think the drug dealers who raid houses and kill families are the same as the farm worker whose just making money for his family.
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Who thinks that, and what happens in 2 weeks?
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He was there for over 20 years and he never made a single purchase? Never earned a dollar in taxable income?
we know he bought drugs but there's not tax on the drugs he bought. Maybe his drug purchases funded terrorism. Oh well the scum is dead now and the last thing he will cost us is the autopsy and refrigeration, then it's off to boot hill.
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Why is he scum?
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Why is he scum?
Because he's been a criminal from the day he arrived here as a teenager and druggies steel to support their habits therefore he's scum. It's all very simple and easy to understand for most people.
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Have to consider the source
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earlier on another post I talked about the importance of eng. lit and other courses.
I just hit a language brick wall here.
you`ll easily interpret this as me being wrong on this topic(have at It)
learn from my mistake , communication is alot more important than you think
ughhh!!
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<<Because he's been a criminal from the day he arrived here as a teenager and druggies steel to support their habits therefore he's scum.>>
If the only law he violated was an immigration law, then he's a criminal in a very minor sense, not having robbed, raped or murdered anyone. Hard to call every criminal "scum." You know nothing about the quantity of drugs that he uses, the cost of his habit or anything like that. You can use drugs and never have to steal to buy them. They're an affordable recreational pleasure and a year's supply could cost less than a two-week vacation in St. Barts over the Christmas vacation. Do you think everyone who vacations in St. Barts also steals?
<<It's all very simple and easy to understand for most people.>>
Quite frankly, most people I know would find your views on this subject bizarre and absurd.
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The COST OF HIS HABIT?? Like that's something important, we need to take into consideration??
Good lord
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<<Because he's been a criminal from the day he arrived here as a teenager and druggies steel to support their habits therefore he's scum.>>
If the only law he violated was an immigration law, then he's a criminal in a very minor sense, not having robbed, raped or murdered anyone. Hard to call every criminal "scum." You know nothing about the quantity of drugs that he uses, the cost of his habit or anything like that. You can use drugs and never have to steal to buy them. They're an affordable recreational pleasure and a year's supply could cost less than a two-week vacation in St. Barts over the Christmas vacation. Do you think everyone who vacations in St. Barts also steals?
<<It's all very simple and easy to understand for most people.>>
Quite frankly, most people I know would find your views on this subject bizarre and absurd.
Actually the majority of Americans support the new Arizona law and are tired of illegal aliens occupying our nation and mooching off of us. By the way the AZ law mirrors existing US Federal Law so if it's racist then go talk to Obama because the buck stops at his desk. With that said the experiences I have had with these people have been relatively positive. But the bottom line is we are broke and cant afford to support them any longer. There are plenty of Americans that need work like ditch digging, painting, hanging drywall, poring concrete and other labor intensive jobs could be had by our young strong workers not illegals. The guy was a drug addict that was being deported and he fought with the officers because he was on drugs and obviously out of his mind due to long usage of the drugs. He got what he asked for and now we don't have to worry that he will be back in a month or two. Then again there are stupid liberals like you and those knuckleheads that protested his death down at the border. They should be supporting the officers that put up with this crap day in and day out.
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<<Actually the majority of Americans . . . are tired of illegal aliens occupying our nation and mooching off of us. . . . But the bottom line is we are broke and cant afford to support them any longer. >>
Are you really supporting them? I get the feeling that most of them come to America to work, and to do the dirty jobs that most Americans wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole: picking crops in the field, stoop labour, construction work, etc. They work longer, harder hours than Americans want to work, and will work for less money, too. How do you know that you are "supporting them" or that they are "mooching" off you?
<<There are plenty of Americans that need work like ditch digging, painting, hanging drywall, poring concrete and other labor intensive jobs could be had by our young strong workers not illegals. >>
Well, I don't know about your "young, strong workers." Here in Toronto the dirtiest, hardest and lowest-paid jobs go to immigrants. You see them cleaning buildings at night, bussing tables, emptying the bedpans in the hospitals, etc. The Canadians are "above" all of that, they've "transcended" it - - they'd all rather go on pogey than take that kind of work. When I was last in South Florida, the construction workers were Hispanic, the cleaners or the taxi drivers Brazilian, the lowest-paid, lowest-skilled jobs were for immigrants, legal or not I don't know. (Actually most of them I spoke to were on H1B visas, specific to the job - - if they lost the job, they had to leave the country, whether they would actually leave or not I don't know.) I did not SEE Americans actually doing that work. In Manhattan, the cabbies are Haitian. Turkish. Chinese. Korean. Almost never will you get a New York City cab driven by a native-born American. Americans and Canadians are lazy, don't want and won't take the kind of jobs the immigrants are doing, legal or illegal. They think they're above that sort of thing, they won't "dirty their hands."
<<The guy was a drug addict that was being deported and he fought with the officers because he was on drugs and obviously out of his mind due to long usage of the drugs.>>
Yeah, that or the officers were behaving like pigs, harassing, insulting and abusing him and he got fed up with it. Or maybe he kept his cool and they Tasered him anyway, just for kicks. Just out of racism. Sure as hell wouldn't be the first time. Miami cops have beaten people to death for no good reason. I remember the Liberty City race riots not all that long ago. Why are you so quick to accept the officers' version of how this guy died? Don't cops ever lie to cover up their own misdeeds?
<<He got what he asked for and now we don't have to worry that he will be back in a month or two. Then again there are stupid liberals like you and those knuckleheads that protested his death down at the border. They should be supporting the officers that put up with this crap day in and day out.>>
Bottom line is apart from the officers' version, you have no idea what actually happened between the officers and the deceased. And you don't know who was right and who was wrong. Although it does seem that any officer, and especially if more than one were present, could have subdued this guy without using deadly force and without Tasering him.
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actually last year 40 positions for $14/hour was created at a nearby town to help the unemployed. only 3 showed up.
lets just say eager to work legal americans are not getting thier jobs stolen by any kind of immigrant they`re simply more likely don`t how get those jobs.
these positions were on tv and radio.
I`m being very nice by stating this,other folks have more unkind words about that situation
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<<I`m being very nice by stating this,other folks have more unkind words about that situation>>
Let me help. Americans are too fat, too dumb and too lazy to qualify for or even to want, the jobs that the "illegals" are supposedly "stealing" from them. The "job-stealing illegals" nonsense is just more of their racist BS.
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<<Actually the majority of Americans . . . are tired of illegal aliens occupying our nation and mooching off of us. . . . But the bottom line is we are broke and cant afford to support them any longer. >>
Are you really supporting them? I get the feeling that most of them come to America to work, and to do the dirty jobs that most Americans wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole: picking crops in the field, stoop labour, construction work, etc. They work longer, harder hours than Americans want to work, and will work for less money, too. How do you know that you are "supporting them" or that they are "mooching" off you?
<<There are plenty of Americans that need work like ditch digging, painting, hanging drywall, poring concrete and other labor intensive jobs could be had by our young strong workers not illegals. >>
Well, I don't know about your "young, strong workers." Here in Toronto the dirtiest, hardest and lowest-paid jobs go to immigrants. You see them cleaning buildings at night, bussing tables, emptying the bedpans in the hospitals, etc. The Canadians are "above" all of that, they've "transcended" it - - they'd all rather go on pogey than take that kind of work. When I was last in South Florida, the construction workers were Hispanic, the cleaners or the taxi drivers Brazilian, the lowest-paid, lowest-skilled jobs were for immigrants, legal or not I don't know. (Actually most of them I spoke to were on H1B visas, specific to the job - - if they lost the job, they had to leave the country, whether they would actually leave or not I don't know.) I did not SEE Americans actually doing that work. In Manhattan, the cabbies are Haitian. Turkish. Chinese. Korean. Almost never will you get a New York City cab driven by a native-born American. Americans and Canadians are lazy, don't want and won't take the kind of jobs the immigrants are doing, legal or illegal. They think they're above that sort of thing, they won't "dirty their hands."
<<The guy was a drug addict that was being deported and he fought with the officers because he was on drugs and obviously out of his mind due to long usage of the drugs.>>
Yeah, that or the officers were behaving like pigs, harassing, insulting and abusing him and he got fed up with it. Or maybe he kept his cool and they Tasered him anyway, just for kicks. Just out of racism. Sure as hell wouldn't be the first time. Miami cops have beaten people to death for no good reason. I remember the Liberty City race riots not all that long ago. Why are you so quick to accept the officers' version of how this guy died? Don't cops ever lie to cover up their own misdeeds?
<<He got what he asked for and now we don't have to worry that he will be back in a month or two. Then again there are stupid liberals like you and those knuckleheads that protested his death down at the border. They should be supporting the officers that put up with this crap day in and day out.>>
Bottom line is apart from the officers' version, you have no idea what actually happened between the officers and the deceased. And you don't know who was right and who was wrong. Although it does seem that any officer, and especially if more than one were present, could have subdued this guy without using deadly force and without Tasering him.
Mexico has jobs but the jobs don't pay what US jobs pay and there is no free medical in Mexico nor is there good free education. We even give scholarships, loans and credit cards and free legal council too to illegals.There are diseases, unpaved roads and corrupt police in Mexico and further south. They don't have the freedoms like we have in America, so they come up here enroll their kids into our schools and take advantage of every free-bee available to them. Geez, how ignorant can you be not to see any of these facts?
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true ,but what i never hear is the things you brought in large amounts or small? Don`t foget the ex-pats, they are americans who make x amount of money and leave to live off the lower cost of living in mexico and various other countries. which i do understand except france, I don`t recall it`s that easy to live there, if anything it`s tougher and can be unpleasent. employer never want to hire because it`s not financially viable to hire french people due to the inability to fire them.
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<<Geez, how ignorant can you be not to see any of these facts?>>
I see them better than you'll ever see them. All four of my grandparents were immigrants who couldn't speak a word of fucking English when they got here. They came from the arm-pits of Europe, shit countries where they had to thank God after every Easter that they weren't among those torn apart by mobs of Christians pouring out of their churches inflamed by their ignorant anti-Semitic priests and looking to revenge the death of their so-called "God" on the descendants of his "killers." They had no rights to a decent education or job, and were kept down by prejudice and racism every fucking day of their lives.
Do you really think that they would have let any fucking so-called "law" keep them out of a better country with a better future for their descendants (ME!!!) simply because a bunch of genocidal racist bastards killed off the original inhabitants, stole the land and passed their own exclusionary laws keeping out anyone who got there after them? Fuck dat. They had as much right to exclude the late-comers as they had to exterminate the original inhabitants. My grandparents came the "legal" way although I'm sure that the "legal" way included plenty of bribes and "fixes" across the way. In the early part of the 20th century, immigration from Europe to North America was usually done by travel agents who were basically "fixers" who, paid enough, would "fix" your passage in. Forms to be filled out? Here, gimme, I'll fill it out for you. Don't tell me anything, I'll fill it out for you. NO, I DON'T WANNA KNOW how many years you went to school, the date you were born, what problems you've had with the law - - I'll fill it out for you, get it? This is how they came in, and they paid the fixer because they knew that once they got in, nobody could get them out. If they couldn't afford a fixer, they would have snuck in anyway, illegals to be sure, but better an illegal in Canada than a Jew wherever the fuck they came from. And no, once they got here, they didn't rob, steal, rape, murder, spread disease, defile the land - - they went to work, hard work, they got married, raised families, educated their kids, contributed to the economy, paid their taxes (maybe, WTF would I know, as much as anyone else, I guess) and generally helped make this country a much better place - - contrary to all the dire predictions of the racist anti-immigrant bigots who wanted to shut them out. And this goes for all immigrants - - Italian, Chinese, Japanese, whatever.
So don't patronize ME with your "how ignorant can you be?" patronizing bullshit crap. I know immigrants, I know how the U.S. GOT the land that they're trying to keep the Mexicans out of, I know WHO they stole it from, and I know what to think of their anti-immigrant racist BS.
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Tee apparently has an issue with the rule of law. It's to be coveted by every nation, especially from a global standpoint, and even more so if America supposedly is not adhering to such law(s), then they are condemned, like no other. But our nation's laws?, our sovereignty?, they matter not, if people want to come here. Screw our laws, disrespect our nation, that's the ticket
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<<Geez, how ignorant can you be not to see any of these facts?>>
I see them better than you'll ever see them. All four of my grandparents were immigrants who couldn't speak a word of fucking English when they got here. They came from the arm-pits of Europe, shit countries where they had to thank God after every Easter that they weren't among those torn apart by mobs of Christians pouring out of their churches inflamed by their ignorant anti-Semitic priests and looking to revenge the death of their so-called "God" on the descendants of his "killers." They had no rights to a decent education or job, and were kept down by prejudice and racism every fucking day of their lives.
Do you really think that they would have let any fucking so-called "law" keep them out of a better country with a better future for their descendants (ME!!!) simply because a bunch of genocidal racist bastards killed off the original inhabitants, stole the land and passed their own exclusionary laws keeping out anyone who got there after them? Fuck dat. They had as much right to exclude the late-comers as they had to exterminate the original inhabitants. My grandparents came the "legal" way although I'm sure that the "legal" way included plenty of bribes and "fixes" across the way. In the early part of the 20th century, immigration from Europe to North America was usually done by travel agents who were basically "fixers" who, paid enough, would "fix" your passage in. Forms to be filled out? Here, gimme, I'll fill it out for you. Don't tell me anything, I'll fill it out for you. NO, I DON'T WANNA KNOW how many years you went to school, the date you were born, what problems you've had with the law - - I'll fill it out for you, get it? This is how they came in, and they paid the fixer because they knew that once they got in, nobody could get them out. If they couldn't afford a fixer, they would have snuck in anyway, illegals to be sure, but better an illegal in Canada than a Jew wherever the fuck they came from. And no, once they got here, they didn't rob, steal, rape, murder, spread disease, defile the land - - they went to work, hard work, they got married, raised families, educated their kids, contributed to the economy, paid their taxes (maybe, WTF would I know, as much as anyone else, I guess) and generally helped make this country a much better place - - contrary to all the dire predictions of the racist anti-immigrant bigots who wanted to shut them out. And this goes for all immigrants - - Italian, Chinese, Japanese, whatever.
So don't patronize ME with your "how ignorant can you be?" patronizing bullshit crap. I know immigrants, I know how the U.S. GOT the land that they're trying to keep the Mexicans out of, I know WHO they stole it from, and I know what to think of their anti-immigrant racist BS.
This country loves immigrants and so do I.
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You're going to find VERY few folks who are anti-immigrant.
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When I was a kid , the labor force for the peach harvest was found at the local high school.
After the Immagrants have been here long enough to raise children will those children also be worthless?
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<<When I was a kid , the labor force for the peach harvest was found at the local high school.>>
Well, come and see the peach harvest here in the Niagara Peninsula. You'll see truckloads of Jamaican temporary workers doing the job that no local highschoolers want to do.
<<After the Immagrants have been here long enough to raise children will those children also be worthless?>>
Who knows? Maybe they'll have enough respect for the labour of their parents that they'll continue on in their footsteps. Don't count on it though. My parents had no desire to work in a garment industry sweatshop.
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<<When I was a kid , the labor force for the peach harvest was found at the local high school.>>
Well, come and see the peach harvest here in the Niagara Peninsula. You'll see truckloads of Jamaican temporary workers doing the job that no local highschoolers want to do.
<<After the Immagrants have been here long enough to raise children will those children also be worthless?>>
Who knows? Maybe they'll have enough respect for the labour of their parents that they'll continue on in their footsteps. Don't count on it though. My parents had no desire to work in a garment industry sweatshop.
Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?
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<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>
I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence. If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force. There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.
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<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>
I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence. If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force. There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.
No no no they specifically use dark people and there must be a reason, if any it's because they can control them. They hold all the power over these people. If they screw up they are kicked back to Jamaica. It's a power trip and it's disgusting.
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<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>
I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence. If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force. There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.
No no no they specifically use dark people and there must be a reason, if any it's because they can control them. They hold all the power over these people. If they screw up they are kicked back to Jamaica. It's a power trip and it's disgusting.
They only happen to be Jamacan.
Just as in Arizona a bus load of recently arreated illeagal border crossers just happen to be Hispanic.
It doesn't prove racism that the people involved sort themselves.
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<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>
I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence. If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force. There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.
No no no they specifically use dark people and there must be a reason, if any it's because they can control them. They hold all the power over these people. If they screw up they are kicked back to Jamaica. It's a power trip and it's disgusting.
They only happen to be Jamacan.
Just as in Arizona a bus load of recently arreated illeagal border crossers just happen to be Hispanic.
It doesn't prove racism that the people involved sort themselves.
Nope there is a clear pattern of these Canadians using dark skinned people like Jamaicans and Mexicans. It has to be racial.
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I think I can answer this. I got confuse in a old comedy show (in living color) that portrayed jamacains as uber workers. than I found out later on it`s a fairly well earned stereo type. thiers quite abit of a disperaity between african-americans and jamaicans. lets just say people kave a preference hiring jamaicans. we`re not talking money alone, the willingness to work has a significant factor
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kimba's right, the Afro-Canadians aren't any more interested than the Anglo-Canadians in picking peaches for a living.
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I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.
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I think I can answer this. I got confuse in a old comedy show (in living color) that portrayed jamacains as uber workers. than I found out later on it`s a fairly well earned stereo type. thiers quite abit of a disperaity between african-americans and jamaicans. lets just say people kave a preference hiring jamaicans. we`re not talking money alone, the willingness to work has a significant factor
Sure thing because our government pays more for laziness than the Jamaican government. In Jamaica it's work or die.
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I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.
not to mention Jamaicans are dark skinned and white Canadian farmers are racist. Plus in the winter the Jamaicans can luge on their off time from picking crops for $7.50 an hour with no workers rights or health care.
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I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.
not to mention Jamaicans are dark skinned and white Canadian farmers are racist. Plus in the winter the Jamaicans can luge on their off time from picking crops for $7.50 an hour with no workers rights or health care.
Spend the summer picking Canadian fruit , spend the winter in Jamaca spending the pay in a depressed economy.
The farm owner spends the winter in Canada and can't afford to go to Jamaca.
I don't feel that the Jamacans are ill used , can it be raqcism if there is no harm?
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I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.
not to mention Jamaicans are dark skinned and white Canadian farmers are racist. Plus in the winter the Jamaicans can luge on their off time from picking crops for $7.50 an hour with no workers rights or health care.
Spend the summer picking Canadian fruit , spend the winter in Jamaca spending the pay in a depressed economy.
The farm owner spends the winter in Canada and can't afford to go to Jamaca.
I don't feel that the Jamacans are ill used , can it be raqcism if there is no harm?
why are the dark-skinned Jamaicans discriminated against with low wages, shabby living quarters, and no health care? The reason is because the whites Canadians have health care, better living conditions and make more money. Isn't the difference RACE. How can it be anything but racial? If whites aren't willing to do the work and blacks and Mexicans are then it must be racial.
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I imagine that if Jamaicans were white they would be equally preferable to Canadian farmers. In Canada, the cost of living is expensive because it is necessary to stay warm in the winter. Jamaicans come in the warmest part of the year, and return before it gets cold. That is one reason why they are cheaper than locals. Of course, the locals would also need to stay warm in the winter, and there is really no seasonal agricultural work available in Canada in the winter.
I fail to see how this is racist. It is possible to live in Jamaica on what earns working for several months in Canada in the summer. It is probably not possible for local Canadians to do the same. It is purely voluntary: Jamaicans who do not like to pick fruit in Canada do not have to do so. If you think it is racism, that is simply your opinion, and I suggest that since (a) you are not Jamaican, (b) you have never had a career as a fruit-picker, (c) you have never worked in Canada, that whether or not this is "racist" is more a topic for Jamaicans who have picked fruit in Canada to comment upon than you.
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I imagine that if Jamaicans were white they would be equally preferable to Canadian farmers. In Canada, the cost of living is expensive because it is necessary to stay warm in the winter. Jamaicans come in the warmest part of the year, and return before it gets cold. That is one reason why they are cheaper than locals. Of course, the locals would also need to stay warm in the winter, and there is really no seasonal agricultural work available in Canada in the winter.
I fail to see how this is racist. It is possible to live in Jamaica on what earns working for several months in Canada in the summer. It is probably not possible for local Canadians to do the same. It is purely voluntary: Jamaicans who do not like to pick fruit in Canada do not have to do so. If you think it is racism, that is simply your opinion, and I suggest that since (a) you are not Jamaican, (b) you have never had a career as a fruit-picker, (c) you have never worked in Canada, that whether or not this is "racist" is more a topic for Jamaicans who have picked fruit in Canada to comment upon than you.
if it's not racist then why don't they hire white Jamaicans?
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That would be because (a) white Jamaicans are quite rare, and (b) those that do exist are members of the upper classes: not the class that has the expertise or the desire to pick fruit. Most Jamaicans (91.2%) are black. 6,2% of Jamacans are "mixed", and only 2.6% are "other", which includes Chinese, Indians and the odd Lebanese or British person. I doubt that any white Jamaicans would be turned down, should any apply. This is according to the CIA Factbook.