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Title: This would have fried us all
Post by: Plane on June 07, 2010, 12:14:05 AM
http://jupiter.samba.org/jupiter/20100603-203129-impact/index.html (http://jupiter.samba.org/jupiter/20100603-203129-impact/index.html)


A whack like that on Earth would be as much damage as fireing off our nuclear arsenal.

But to Jupiter it is no big deal.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Michael Tee on June 07, 2010, 02:09:41 AM
Jupiter is sanguine.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Plane on June 07, 2010, 05:12:07 AM
Still sports the great red smile.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: BSB on June 07, 2010, 07:43:20 AM
Look at that scope. I wonder how much that cost him?
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Plane on June 07, 2010, 11:07:01 PM
http://www.telescopes.com/ (http://www.telescopes.com/)

Can't see a brand name on it , could be a homebuilt.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: BSB on June 07, 2010, 11:59:37 PM
This might be a good deal and a good place to start. http://www.telescopes.com/binoculars/astronomy-binoculars/zhumelltachyon25x100astronomicalbinocularwithtripodpackage.cfm (http://www.telescopes.com/binoculars/astronomy-binoculars/zhumelltachyon25x100astronomicalbinocularwithtripodpackage.cfm)

My problem is I live too close to Boston therefore there's too much light pollution to see anything really. It makes you wonder if kids who grow up in the inner city even know what's out there? 
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 12:08:56 AM
My problem is I live too close to Boston therefore there's too much light pollution to see anything really. It makes you wonder if kids who grow up in the inner city even know what's out there? 

I heard that something like 75% of the US can no longer see the Milky Way in the night sky. I'm glad that I live someplace where it's still visible.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: BSB on June 08, 2010, 01:10:58 AM
I wonder what that does to our perspective? It's another place in the natural world where we can't go, in our minds anyway, as easily as we used to. Observing or being aware of the natural environment is a great stress reliver, among other things, for me. The less there is to observe the harder it is to benefit from it.

Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Plane on June 08, 2010, 03:58:16 AM
http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-Buy-a-Telescope-on-eBay_W0QQugidZ10000000000077636 (http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-Buy-a-Telescope-on-eBay_W0QQugidZ10000000000077636)



It is still a wonderfull universe and we shouldn't meekly accept curtains being drawn between us and the photogenic parts.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 12:51:22 PM
Observing or being aware of the natural environment is a great stress reliver, among other things, for me.

That's one of the reasons I love living where I do; I can watch bald eagles fishing, watch the deer and variety of other animals that live on my property, listen to wolves and bear, etc.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: BSB on June 08, 2010, 01:42:55 PM
Where abouts in Minnesota do you live, Ami?
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 03:17:16 PM
Where abouts in Minnesota do you live, Ami?

East central part of the state. Where the endless corn fields and prairie start to give way to the low, rolling mountains of the north. I am not quite halfway between the Twin Cities and Duluth.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: BSB on June 08, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
Sounds good to me. How close can you get to the Twin Cites and still have that much wildlife around?
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 04:27:20 PM
Sounds good to me. How close can you get to the Twin Cites and still have that much wildlife around?

Pretty close. I'm about an hour outside, and where I live has minimum lot sizes of 3 acres. The Twin Cities, while being the largest cities by far in Minnesota, only have about 600,000 residents between them. I live in Bradford Township, which has fewer than 500 residents. Two digit and single digit "town population" signs are not uncommon.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 04:31:09 PM
Sounds good to me. How close can you get to the Twin Cites and still have that much wildlife around?

Oh, and there are reports of a cougar prowling around some of the southeastern suburbs - less than 10 miles from the state capital of St. Paul. ;-)
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 04:33:13 PM
Oh, and there are reports of a cougar prowling around some of the southeastern suburbs - less than 10 miles from the state capital of St. Paul. ;-)

And I don't mean the human female kind, but there are plenty of those around as well.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 04:38:23 PM
And a news article about a cougar (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/02/earlyshow/living/petplanet/main1273555.shtml) captured near my home.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: BSB on June 08, 2010, 04:41:51 PM
Maybe I'll forget about Minnesota.  ;D
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Amianthus on June 08, 2010, 04:47:55 PM
Maybe I'll forget about Minnesota.  ;D

We live real close to nature around here. Year round.
Title: Re: This would have fried us all
Post by: Plane on June 12, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/11jun_missingdebris/ (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/11jun_missingdebris/)


One thing is sure: "Jupiter is getting hit more than we expected," says Don Yeomans, head of NASA's Near-Earth Object program of JPL. "Back in the days of Shoemaker-Levy 9 (SL-9), we calculated that we should see an impact on Jupiter once every hundred years or so. We considered ourselves extraordinarily lucky to witness the SL-9 event."

"But look where we are now," he continues. "Anthony Wesley has observed two impacts within the past 12 months alone. It's time to revise our impact models [particularly for small impactors]."

Clearly, researchers have a lot to learn, not only about how often Jupiter gets hit, but also what happens when the strikes occur.

"We're continuing the search for debris at a number of major observatories, including Hubble," says Orton. Future observations sensitive to very small amounts of debris and to gases pulled up from Jupiter's deeper atmosphere may yet reveal what happened to the flashy impactor of June 3rd—or lead researchers in new directions entirely.