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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on June 14, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
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http://www.breitbart.tv/congressman-assaults-student-on-washington-sidewalk/ (http://www.breitbart.tv/congressman-assaults-student-on-washington-sidewalk/)
Congressman Assaults Student on Washington Sidewalk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v60oNUoHBYM#)
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That is not even close to assault. The "student" refused to identify himself. Why?
There in no law requiring anyone to converse with anyone recording them on the street. No one was even mildly injured.
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That is not even close to assault. The "student" refused to identify himself. Why?
There in no law requiring anyone to converse with anyone recording them on the street. No one was even mildly injured.
really?
the story is catching on -- by the end of the day most will have seen it.
By the end of the week this guy will be toast.
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That is not even close to assault.
"Assault" is the threat of physical contact. "I'm gonna shove you out of my way" is assault.
"Battery" is the actual use of physical contact, like landing a blow.
Therefore, a charge of "assault and battery" is the threat of physical force, followed up by actual use of physical force. You can be charged for each, or both simultaneously.
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FTATOG - fails to activate the outrage gene
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FTATOG - fails to activate the outrage gene
in normal people it does, in defective people it does not.
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There was no assault, there was no battery. There were no cuts, no bruises no pain, no suffering.
The "student" does not have a right to stick a camera in anyone's face and ask questions. He should have identified himself. The Congressman has no obligation to talk to this punk or to allow himself to be photographed. The same applies to those who are NOT congressmen.
This will have no consequences whatever. The public will see it for what it is.
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There was no assault, there was no battery. There were no cuts, no bruises no pain, no suffering.
Slapping the phone out of his hand and holding on to him when he requested that he be let go are both examples of battery.
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The "student" refused to identify himself. Why? There in no law requiring anyone to converse
with anyone recording them on the street.
There is no law requiring reporters, film crews, citizens asking questions on a public
street to identify themselves.
The out of control Dem Congressman has no right to grab/touch/or slap equipment out
of a law-abiding citizen's hand on a publuc street.
If this had been a Republican Congressman, coverage would be running wall-to-wall
on CNN/CBS/ABC/NBC/MSNBC.
This Congressman will be apologizing soon or he will be gone.
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Not to get too stereotypical, but the congresscritter's initial reaction reminded me of many of my agitated dementia patients......the eyes, the mode of grabbing, the stare of agitation, the repetition of questioning the same "who are you?"
Not saying or even inferring anything. Just an observation
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Not to get too stereotypical, but the congresscritter's initial reaction reminded me of many of my agitated dementia patients......the eyes, the mode of grabbing, the stare of agitation, the repetition of questioning the same "who are you?"
Not saying or even inferring anything. Just an observation
Any NORMAL Congressman would not be so hostile and take it in stride. This guy should be used to this sort of thing. Clearly this Democrat has an anger problem.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault)
uhm
after reading all that it pretty much is assualt,but damn my head hurts.
wiki can be too thorough at times.
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but couldn`t the congressman just walk through him? making the student at fault for blocking his path.
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When someone stands in front of you, you have 2 choices, if you wish to continue to walk. Walk around or walk thru. 1 avoids confrontation, 1 ensures confrontation. Not to say the person standing in front of you is not at fault, but the person walking, will likely dictate the direction the rest of the events will unfold, based on the 2 above options
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but couldn`t the congressman just walk through him? making the student at fault for blocking his path.
You are thinking too hard. The CMan is a public official, he was elected to use good judgment. Good judgment is to remain cool, calm, collected and handle the situation like a relational adult. Do you get my point? This man is being judged for being an asshole and treating a young college kid badly. It really matters not whether this was an assault, what matters is this guy comes off like a jerk. Anyone thinking this behavior will attract voters is just wrong. Plus the CMan looks like a dork that needs to lose his job.
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Imagine if this were a Republican. It'd be 24/7 news, on every MSM broadcast
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handle the situation like a relational adult.
can`t say that about some of the mayors in my town. willie brown tackled one dude for pieing.
I think that`s when pieing finally died as a form of political statement.
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handle the situation like a relational adult.
can`t say that about some of the mayors in my town. willie brown tackled one dude for pieing.
I think that`s when pieing finally died as a form of political statement.
peeing requires a different approach, possibly an ass whooping might be in order. It depends. I for one feel that elected officials need to take the high road. Now if they are being attacked that is a different story. Pissing or defecating, as a form of attention seeking behavior, can be harmful to ones health, both the pissee and the pisser..
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TOLD YA.....
The Dem Congressman is now apologizing trying to save his ass!
"I have seen the video posted on several blogs.
I deeply and profoundly regret my reaction and I apologize to all involved.
Throughout my many years of service to the people of North Carolina,
I have always tried to treat people from all viewpoints with respect.
No matter how intrusive and partisan our politics can become, this does
not justify a poor response. I have and I will always work to promote a
civil public discourse."
Rep. Bob Etheridge (NC-02)
http://etheridge.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=190412 (http://etheridge.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=190412)
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What's that 'ol saying?......"Actions speak louder than words"
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whoa
whoa
whooa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieing)
dude , I did not misspell.
I did not see that coming
damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's the same Dem Congressman that attacked the student talking
in 2007 about "civic engagement" and how "young folks should get involved"
"Civic Engagement": Congressman Bob Etheridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52EFsrW5D6E&feature=player_embedded#)
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He should have simply given the usual long-winded response that politicians always give. The kid was a smartass, and should have identified himself. I do not consider this to be assault or battery, since no one was harmed physically. I do not see where this congressman had any obligation to answer any questions, just as people who are NOT congressmen have no obligation to answer any questions to unidentified pests.
His apology could not hurt, so he is probably right to have given it.
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He should have simply given the usual long-winded response that politicians always give. The kid was a smartass, and should have identified himself. I do not consider this to be assault or battery, since no one was harmed physically.
Good thing you don't work for law enforcement or as a Judge, then
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No charges will be filed, and if they are, no penalties or fines will be imposed.
And hell no, I would not bother to hear this stupid case.
No laws were broken in any way.
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truefully the definition of assault is so broad that probly everyone of us has been assaulted without our knowledge.
but it probly needs to be this broad to prevent any grey areas when somebody actually does get hurt.
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No charges will be filed, and if they are, no penalties or fines will be imposed.
And hell no, I would not bother to hear this stupid case.
No laws were broken in any way.
Good thing you don't work for law enforcement or as a Judge, then
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XO you must think the Congressman did not handle this well?
A sitting Congressman asked on a public street whether he supports the President's agenda.
If he did not want to be bothered he should have kept on walking & not respond.
When the student did not answer his question as to who he was
the correct way to handle it is not to grab/touch/hold the student
the Congressman was free to ignore the student
everybody can have a bad day or get angry and act stupid
the Congressman had a bad day and acted very stupid
he apologized...that will probably be enough
at least until election time...then we'll see