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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Amianthus on October 11, 2010, 08:33:14 AM
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I need him to explain to me how jailing Liu Xiaobo by the Chinese government is a good thing...
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He left forever after too many defeats at the hands (or shall I say superior debates skills) of SIRS.
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I thought he needed a Hiatus when Castro started musing in public about how there might have been better choices for Cuba than Communism.
Only the ones you love deeply can really break your heart.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/international/americas/view/20100910fidel_castro_admits_communist_system_has_failed_in_cuba/ (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/international/americas/view/20100910fidel_castro_admits_communist_system_has_failed_in_cuba/)
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5777038/did_fidel_castro_reject_communism.html (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5777038/did_fidel_castro_reject_communism.html)
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He left forever after too many defeats at the hands (or shall I say superior debates skills) of SIRS.
You're too kind Kramer. I wish I could take credit. I'm guessing, like much of the far left, Obama & the dems have him thoroughly disillusioned. All you have now in the saloon is a leftist professor, piping in with a few incoherent opinions & a boatload of personal insults/snarks aimed at yourself or me. Nothing left for Dems to run on, as they sprinted away from their supposed "successes", Cap & tax, OmaminationCare, etc. Leaves folks like Tee not believing in the sincerity of Obama & company, despite their rhetoric
And despite Tee's invalidated rhetoric of claiming how I supposedly called him a liar, each and every thread, I was merely a blaming tool, instead of Obama. Whatever makes him feel better, I suppose
That'd be my deductive guess
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The Leftists will return when Conservsatives win next month.
They can come here and bitch & moan about all the evil deeds Congress will be doing.
Hopefully they will complain about the following:
1. Hearings on SEVERAL if not hundreds of administration infractions from voter intimidation to election tampering to Czars, to you name it.
2. The repeal and rollback of Obamacare
3. Stripped down budgets & de-funding a host of Liberal programs
4. Tax Cuts for all taxpaying Americans
5. Small Business promotions
6. To be named at a later date
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He reads occasionally. Last time was 4 days ago.
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Well let's make sure he gets the message then!
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I really doubt that MT was overwhelmed by sirs or Kramer.
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I really doubt that MT was overwhelmed by sirs or Kramer.
I have no interest in claiming that but do wonder why you seem to be obsessed with me. Sorry fat-boy, but I'm happily married and have no interest in dating a man or in your case a girlie man.
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How does my saying that MT is too bright to be intimidated by a total moron and flake like you make you believe that I have the hots for you?
Jeez.
I pity your wife, your family and anyone who comes in contact with you.
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How does my saying that MT is too bright to be intimidated by a total moron and flake like you make you believe that I have the hots for you?
Jeez.
I pity your wife, your family and anyone who comes in contact with you.
fuck off
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All I said was that I really doubted that MT was intimidated by the debating skills of you and sirs. I am sure that this is true, and I really don't think that he would be overwhelmed by anyone's debating skills.
And somehow you turn this into an accusation that somehow I am (1) gay and (2) interested in you. I assure you I am neither. I find you genuinely repulsive: ignorant, bigoted, hateful and proud of it, not to mention full of it.
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All I said was that I really doubted that MT was intimidated by the debating skills of you and sirs.
I don't think Kramer was stating that either. What IS apparently (dare I say) obvious, was his lack of being able to valdiate even the simplest of claims that were debunked for all to see. As time and Obama trampled on, his "debating skills" largely degraded into an all to frequent Xo-level of name calling, and a personal running away at the 1st sign someone called him on one of his occasional "not-so-truthful" accusatory endeavors
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XO said:
I find you genuinely repulsive: ignorant, bigoted, hateful and proud of it, not to mention full of it.
Funny, coming from somebody who felt the need to attack somebody's family. You are the new knute, although probably a little dumber.
I don't blame Mickey for taking a break. He probably couldn't believe the ignorant comments you were making in support of his ideology and was embarrassed.
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What IS apparently (dare I say) obvious, was his lack of being able to validate
even the simplest of claims ....As time and Obama trampled on
I like Michael and learned a few things tangling with him,
but I think SIRS is on to something. I sincerely believe
Michael was very let down by Obama...I mean what a
bummer to see your guy elected and the guy full of all
the "Hope & Change" just falls flat on his face. I think
Michael's frustration speaks loud and clear through his
silence.
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I'd have to opine that much of Tee's silence spoke volumes
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It is of course possible that MT is simply occupied with something important and time consuming.
He might be in Chile digging up miners.
Who knows?
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It is of course possible that MT is simply occupied with something important and time consuming.
He might be in Chile digging up miners.
Who knows?
give him his space
in time he will return
he's too young to retire
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I'd have to opine that much of Tee's silence spoke volumes
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You really need to put all the things that you claim "speak volumes". I am pretty sure you have several volumes of these by now.
The Cliché Cyclopedia of Sirs: Things that speak volumes. With a special earpiece so you can hear them.
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I'd have to opine that much of Tee's silence spoke volumes
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You really need to put all the things that you claim "speak volumes".
Been there done that. Here's a hint....any and everytime he didn't respond to a specific question being posed, one that was perfectly rational in its being asked, that went unanswered, with the subsequent response of "the silence speaks volumes", are those things that speak volumes. You should know, as you were also of that target audience being asked specific debate-level questions, that you too, would frequently avoid answering.
Instead, you appear to find plenty of time to trade insults with Kramer, while demeaning any other conservative posting or being posted, be it myself, Fox news, talk radio, etc. yet again demonstrating your duplicity by facilitating precisely that which you have frequently claimed has brought down the standard of debating here in the saloon
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The incivility comes from all you reactionaries. I have not been posting much here because there is little of interest other than what BT and Plane posts.
Too bad Kramer drove Kimba away. He was an interesting fellow.
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lol.....riiiiiiight. That's why you keep responding to me, Kramer, & Cu4, with continued personal insults and slurs, not to mention the knee jerk insults aimed at Fox News and conservative talk radio.
(*news flash* the references I made to your all to frequent non-responding to specific debate facilitating questions, were when you and Tee were posting quite frequently)
Whatever helps you sleep better at night, Xo.
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The incivility comes from all you reactionaries.
Yeah sure...like talking about a Governor's weight instead of policy.
You hate the guy's positions so you bring up him being overweight.
That's no coincidence!
Of course you would abstain from such things with Hillary or someone you agree with.
I have given this thought....and honestly I can't say for sure whether you do this on
purpose or you are just oblivious to your two separate rules.....I lean towards the latter.
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Believe it or not, like it or not, a bald guy, a fat guy and an ugly guy/gal are NOT going to be elected president.
As I said before, I would have no problem voting for such people, but it is also true that enough people would that he/she would not be elected. It may not be fair, it may even be un-American, but it is also true. We can rule out a President Lipshitz, a President Czolgcz, and a President Hitler as well.
I explained that before, but you may have been too dense to understand.
Watch and see: just as the predictions about how we were going to elect Condi Rice, the predictions about a future president Christie will also go unfulfilled. And it will not be my fault.
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Hillary is not overweight or bald or ugly, nor does she have an unpronounceable or vaguely obscene-sounding name.
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Even more reason that there could have never been a President GORE, from our expert presidential prognosticator
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Hillary is not overweight
look at dis skinny 'lil thang!
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/tx_eggman/hilliarycankles.jpg)
(http://www.magnificentbastard.com/images/pics/hillary-pantsuit.jpg)
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Believe it or not, like it or not, a bald guy, a fat guy and an ugly guy/gal are NOT going to be elected president.
As I said before, I would have no problem voting for such people, but it is also true that enough people would that he/she would not be elected. It may not be fair, it may even be un-American, but it is also true. We can rule out a President Lipshitz, a President Czolgcz, and a President Hitler as well.
I explained that before, but you may have been too dense to understand.
Watch and see: just as the predictions about how we were going to elect Condi Rice, the predictions about a future president Christie will also go unfulfilled. And it will not be my fault.
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Hillary is not overweight or bald or ugly, nor does she have an unpronounceable or vaguely obscene-sounding name.
Why is Hillary refereed to as Your Thighness?
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Moron said:
Believe it or not, like it or not, a bald guy, a fat guy and an ugly guy/gal are NOT going to be elected president.
As I said before, I would have no problem voting for such people, but it is also true that enough people would that he/she would not be elected. It may not be fair, it may even be un-American, but it is also true. We can rule out a President Lipshitz, a President Czolgcz, and a President Hitler as well.
I explained that before, but you may have been too dense to understand.
It's not that he's too dense. It's that your argument is stupid and it doesn't make any sense. It's so stupid that I'm not going to waste much of BT's bandwith disputing it. You can go through history and find quite a few fat and ugly presidents. And a couple bald ones. I like Ike. As for the name, how about a name like Barack Hussien Obama? Dolts like you voted for him.
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NONE was elected since TV became a major thing. Eisenhower, of course, was a war hero, and ran against an even balder guy, Adlai Stevenson.
Since 1956, the US has elected no bald guys, no fat guys, no ugly guys and no one named Lipshitz or Hitler, and has rejected several of them as potential nominees.
And again, I am simply stating a fact. I would not refuse to vote for a competent person of any of these descriptions. But I will not have a chance, because they will never get nominated.
Wait and see, it won't happen. Presidents are peddled like consumer products these days.
I DO believe that a woman will be elected president, but I can't say when.
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NONE was elected since TV became a major thing.
(http://www.chrisbartley.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/nixon.jpg)
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=358315 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=358315)
President Charles Logan
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Now you are moving the bar to 1956. It's just like a Dem to try to move the bar after the game has started. Bill Clinton was fat when first elected. He looked like a blimp in his suit. Plane thinks Nixon was ugly, and you libs have been telling me for years that W. looks like a chimp. So are you now going to say everybody that was elected after 2004 was niether fat, ugly, or bald? Move the bar again after you have been disproven.
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I was not predicting history, you silly fool.
The issue arose when one of you reactionaries claimed that Gov Christie of NJ was a favorite presidential candidate. I was pointing out his negatives, which are:
He is virtually unknown.
He is a screamer. Observe how Howard Dean's fortunes plummeted and he was famous for only one scream. By 2012, there will be HOURS of Christie negativism for admen to work with.
He is gaining favor among the right because he is axing programs and reducing benefits; even when this is justified, this rarely produces nearly as much good publicity as bad publicity.
He is fat.
Nixon was not handsome, but he was not as hideously ugly as Phil Gramm of Texas.
You could add short to the list of probably prohibitive qualities.
James Madison, though certainly capable, was a 5'0" pipsqueak. I doubt that he would have a chance at any presidential nomination today.
Again, I am not saying anything about how specific individuals thing. But as a group, voters seem to be rather foolish. We get annoying 30-second negative ads on both sides because admen have found that they deliver the larger number of votes for the least cash outlay and the least expertise in creating them.
Advertising the product has become more important than the results the product produces, and this is true of politicians as well as detergent.
Maxwell House and Folgers are far from being the best coffee, and soft drinks are far less effective at quenching thirst than simple water. Now, admen have a large number of the populace paying 1000 times more for water in a plastic bottle than for tap water, and it is normally no better.
Try to focus on what I am saying rather than attacking me, please.
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Try to focus on what I am saying rather than attacking me, please.
XO now that was funny.
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Chris Cristie would be a credible candidate if he ran. He has good approval ratings in a Democrat state.
Any negative comment you make about him is meaningless since you are pretty much provably wrong on everything, such as there has never been a fat, ugly, or bald president. Or presidents elected with funny sounding names.
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I am tired of carisma.
Even with exceptions noted , XO has a good point abut attractiveness being an advantage . Political planners choose canadates that they think will win , potential canadates self select to avoid wasteing valuable chunks of lifetime, and of course there is a small number of morons who really make up their minds on the basis of trivialitys,these factors stack in such a way as to form a barrier to the unattractive , reguardless of how well endowed the canadate might be with talent and intelligence.
I don't like this , but I have to admit it is true , and the more we split evenly and have verey narrow margins of victory , the more true it will remain because that minority of morons who decide based on the carismatric qualitys becomes more important as they become more like tiebreakers.
I think I would like to vote for Sara Palin , but I would vote much more eagerly for Condelizza Rice, even if it is quite easy to draw a cruel caricature of her.
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I am sure that Olebush lost some votes because he claimed to not like broccoli,and Carter lost some because of people who hated peanuts. There are all sorts of trivial issues that should not be relevant, but for one reason or another, are relevant to some people. Attractiveness is a way that we all judge people upon first meeting them, and some people retain that vision whatever the person may say or do later.
I think you can have an UNUSUAL name, but if it is hard to spell or hard to pronounce, that is going to lose at least some votes.
When 2012 comes and goes and Christie is not president, I imagine that this point might be easier to make. We sure had a lot of Giulani fans and Fred Thompson fans in this forum.
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He is a screamer
Can you please provide a source for Governor Christie screaming?
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He is a screamer
Can you please provide a source for Governor Christie screaming?
he's a witness, caught hiding under the governors bed.