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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Mucho on January 06, 2007, 10:56:21 AM
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What gross hypocrits you Repubs are:
"What we really expect out of the Democrats is for them to treat us as they would liked to have been treated."
Representative JOHN BOEHNER of Ohio, the new House minority leader
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/01/06/quotes_of_note/
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Would Pelosi also be hypocritical as she had spelled out in a letter how she would like to see the minority party treated, and is now not treating them that way?
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Would Pelosi also be hypocritical as she had spelled out in a letter how she would like to see the minority party treated, and is now not treating them that way?
Not to worry , you Repubs will be given a lot of chances to delay and obfuscate, like you want to now, in the future. Right now the Dems are keeping a more important promise to the people by getting things done. The promise to include you must wait until they keep THAT one.
http://www.newshounds.us/2007/01/03/republicans_can_break_all_the_rules_they_want_but_democrats_must_keep_their_promises.php
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So whe is being hypocritical. Thanks for your agreement. I know it must have been very difficult for you to do that.
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Tough noogies, Boner. You reap what you sow.
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Tough noogies, Boner. You reap what you sow.
Which has little to do with Pelosi's hypocrisy quotient, she who advocates one thing , then does another.
If Boehner is a hypocrit, so is Nancy.
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Tough noogies, Boner. You reap what you sow.
Which has little to do with Pelosi's hypocrisy quotient, she who advocates one thing , then does another.
If Boehner is a hypocrit, so is Nancy.
I am Shocked I tell you SHOCKED that any politician would be hypocritical. You ARE such babies.
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I am Shocked I tell you SHOCKED that any politician would be hypocritical. You ARE such babies.
Somehow i am not shocked that both and lanya give nancy a pass. must be that "its ok if you are a dem" syndrome.
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I am Shocked I tell you SHOCKED that any politician would be hypocritical. You ARE such babies.
Somehow i am not shocked that both and lanya give nancy a pass. must be that "its ok if you are a dem" syndrome.
One diff is that Nancy is a smart and subtle hypocrit while Boehner is a stupid and obvious one like most Repubs
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I am Shocked I tell you SHOCKED that any politician would be hypocritical. You ARE such babies.
Somehow i am not shocked that both and lanya give nancy a pass. must be that "its ok if you are a dem" syndrome.
She offered this to the House Republican leader 2 years ago (I think) and he did not deign to respond.
I'm sure he regrets his decision now, but tsk tsk, should have thought of that 2 years ago, when it seemed that the Republican Reign of Corruption would go on forever.
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She offered this to the House Republican leader 2 years ago
Yes she did , in a letter, and now that she is in a position to give what she had requested to recieve , she doesn't.
Hypocritical, to say the least.
and while we are on the subject of corruption, has Nancy done anything concerning Murtha. Mollohan (set to oversee the FBI budget, the same FBI that is investigating him, Jefferson, Conyers and even she has a questionable trip to Puerto Rico paid for by lobbyists.
I guess if you are going to make grand claims about draining the swamp, it is important to have dirty first hand knowledge of that same swamp.
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Somehow i am not shocked that both and lanya give nancy a pass. must be that "its ok if you are a dem" syndrome.
She offered this to the House Republican leader 2 years ago (I think) and he did not deign to respond. I'm sure he regrets his decision now, but tsk tsk, should have thought of that 2 years ago, when it seemed that the Republican Reign of Corruption would go on forever.
You do grasp what you are justifying, right Lanya? No longer looking to advocate fairness and bi-partisanship? No longer looking to strike some form of minority rights within the House/Senate? Guess what, I kinda figured Pelosi's rhetoric was hollow, as was yours. Just want power to push your agenda and damn anyone else. Pretty much right along the lines of that thread of advocating Bi-partisanship when in the minority. Pelosi had no intrerest in it, and neither do you. Just power, and now that the Dems are in charge, it's screw you......ironically the very condemnations you were leveling at the GOP when they were in power. So, how does it feel to be an official power hungry corrupted Republican?
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So, how does it feel to be an official power hungry corrupted Republican?
You left off hypocritical.
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Somehow i am not shocked that both and lanya give nancy a pass. must be that "its ok if you are a dem" syndrome.
She offered this to the House Republican leader 2 years ago (I think) and he did not deign to respond. I'm sure he regrets his decision now, but tsk tsk, should have thought of that 2 years ago, when it seemed that the Republican Reign of Corruption would go on forever.
You do grasp what you are justifying, right Lanya? No longer looking to advocate fairness and bi-partisanship? No longer looking to strike some form of minority rights within the House/Senate? Guess what, I kinda figured Pelosi's rhetoric was hollow, as was yours. Just want power to push your agenda and damn anyone else. Pretty much right along the lines of that thread of advocating Bi-partisanship when in the minority. Pelosi had no intrerest in it, and neither do you. Just power, and now that the Dems are in charge, it's screw you......ironically the very condemnations you were leveling at the GOP when they were in power. So, how does it feel to be an official power hungry corrupted Republican?
It is sooo good to see you finally admitting that you Repubs are corrupt, but everyone knew that already.
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It is sooo good to see you finally admitting that you Repubs are corrupt, but everyone knew that already.
Like the true moron you are, once again you get it wrong.
What you won't have a problem finding is when corrupt republicans are discovered, they are either asked to step down or they resign on their own.
And that seems to be a different modus operandi than the dems.
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It is sooo good to see you finally admitting that you Repubs are corrupt, but everyone knew that already.
Like the true moron you are, once again you get it wrong. What you won't have a problem finding is when corrupt republicans are discovered, they are either asked to step down or they resign on their own. And that seems to be a different modus operandi than the dems.
BINGO
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The deal was, by the way, that Pelosi, when minority leader, proposed a deal by which the Republicans would agree to treat the Democrats in a pleasant and civilized manner.
The Republicans declined, and treated the Democrats like mulesh*t.
Now the Republicans want the same bill Pelosi proposed.
And the Democrats, having been treated like the proverbial mulesh*t, are disinclined to accept it.
And Slurs, he whose mind resembles a proverbial steel trap, sees this as an instance of DEMOCRATIC hypocrisy.
Plus ça change, plus ça la meme chose...
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The deal was, by the way, that Pelosi, when minority leader, proposed a deal by which the Republicans would agree to treat the Democrats in a pleasant and civilized manner. The Republicans declined, and treated the Democrats like mulesh*t. Now the Republicans want the same bill Pelosi proposed. And the Democrats, having been treated like the proverbial mulesh*t, are disinclined to accept it.
And Slurs, he whose mind resembles a proverbial steel trap, sees this as an instance of DEMOCRATIC hypocrisy.
Dems (while in the minority) push for more rights & standing as a minority party, and when the GOP pushes for exactly the same thing, folliowing the Dems becoming the majority party, and is told to go pound sand by the Dems, is the DEFINITION of hypocrisy, regardless of your ability to misspell and insult. So, just like Lanya, how does it feel to be a hypocritical, corrupted, Power grabbing Republican?
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The Republicans REJECTED Pelosi's suggestion that they treat the minority with respect.
So how is it that Pelosi rejecting their suggestion hypocrisy?
Explaining anything to you is rather like a debate with my cat.
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The Republicans REJECTED Pelosi's suggestion that they treat the minority with respect.
So how is it that Pelosi rejecting their suggestion hypocrisy?
Do you have any concept of what the definition of hypocrisy is, Xo? And you're supposed to be a teacher? Let's change 1 word to show you how it works. Using YOUR version of conclusions, after the Republicans REJECTED Pelosi's suggestion that they treat the minority with respect, Democrats are now REJECTING Pelosi's original suggestion that they treat the minority with respect. And you're supporting this, right? Skip the rationalizations on why, just a simple yes/no
Explaining anything to you is rather like a debate with my cat.
I'd likely get a better substantive debate & objectivity with your cat
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So how is it that Pelosi rejecting their suggestion hypocrisy?
Simple.
She advocated behavior from others that she wasn't willing to do herself, when the roles were reversed.
Her preaching the values of bipartisanship and then ruling by fiat is the equivalent of advocating civil rights then refusing to serve negroes.
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The deal was, by the way, that Pelosi, when minority leader, proposed a deal by which the Republicans would agree to treat the Democrats in a pleasant and civilized manner.
I am unfamilliar with this incident.
Could you point up somewhere that I could read up on the details?
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I hope that as the minority party Republicans are not as obstructionist as the Democrats were under Mr. Dashell .
Obstruction against a bad thing is a good thing ,, obstructi9on for its own sake is not.
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It is sooo good to see you finally admitting that you Repubs are corrupt, but everyone knew that already.
Like the true moron you are, once again you get it wrong.
What you won't have a problem finding is when corrupt republicans are discovered, they are either asked to step down or they resign on their own.
And that seems to be a different modus operandi than the dems.
Like the truly simple-minded dolt that you are , you miss my point completely. I never was for bi-partisanship. I am for trying all those responsible for the war with war crimes. I dont think you can really nail Pelosi for not being bi-partisan yet because it is way too early. The fact that she is leaving the obstructionists out of the first 100 hours to get things done that she really promised the people, not Repub criminals, is commendable. If a politician says something I disagree with and does something I do agree with, I can forgive that and if you had an ounce of honesty in your body, YOU would admit that as well because that is exactly what Repub politicians do nearly all the time. For instance, touting balaced budgets and creating massive deficits , claiming to want to cut spending and then adding their own pork ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
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It is sooo good to see you finally admitting that you Repubs are corrupt, but everyone knew that already.
Like the true moron you are, once again you get it wrong.
What you won't have a problem finding is when corrupt republicans are discovered, they are either asked to step down or they resign on their own.
And that seems to be a different modus operandi than the dems.
Like the truly simple-minded dolt that you are , you miss my point completely. I never was for bi-partisanship. I am for trying all those responsible for the war with war crimes. I dont think you can really nail Pelosi for not being bi-partisan yet because it is way too early. The fact that she is leaving the obstructionists out of the first 100 hours to get things done that she really promised the people, not Repub criminals, is commendable. If a politician says something I disagree with and does something I do agree with, I can forgive that and if you had an ounce of honesty in your body, YOU would admit that as well because that is exactly what Repub politicians do nearly all the time. For instance, touting balaced budgets and creating massive deficits , claiming to want to cut spending and then adding their own pork ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
Do you care about any kind of wrongdoing , that doesn't involve Republicans?
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Like the truly simple-minded dolt that you are , you miss my point completely. I never was for bi-partisanship.
As you franticly try to keep your head above the pool of droll that those of your ilk are known to produce, consider this.
This isn't about you. We already know you are bereft of any honesty.
This is a bout Madame Speaker, who has been caught saying one thing and doing quite the other.
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It is sooo good to see you finally admitting that you Repubs are corrupt, but everyone knew that already.
Like the true moron you are, once again you get it wrong.
What you won't have a problem finding is when corrupt republicans are discovered, they are either asked to step down or they resign on their own.
And that seems to be a different modus operandi than the dems.
Like the truly simple-minded dolt that you are , you miss my point completely. I never was for bi-partisanship. I am for trying all those responsible for the war with war crimes. I dont think you can really nail Pelosi for not being bi-partisan yet because it is way too early. The fact that she is leaving the obstructionists out of the first 100 hours to get things done that she really promised the people, not Repub criminals, is commendable. If a politician says something I disagree with and does something I do agree with, I can forgive that and if you had an ounce of honesty in your body, YOU would admit that as well because that is exactly what Repub politicians do nearly all the time. For instance, touting balaced budgets and creating massive deficits , claiming to want to cut spending and then adding their own pork ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
Do you care about any kind of wrongdoing , that doesn't involve Republicans?
I care about wrongdoing involving anyone. It is just that the Repubs have made it their culture. They are greedy , arrogant crooks for the most part. You will never convince me or anyone with a brain that Nancy Pelosi deferring her goal to bring back bi-partisanship to the House in order to keep her higher promise of getting things done for the people is anywhere near the wrongdoings of Delay, Cunningham, Foley, Abramoff ad infinitum , ad nauseum.
Besides, you guys make up most of the shit that you throw at the Dems while your crookedness is well-known and documeneted
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Who wants bi-partisanship?
Why would we want to have a choice between two parties that are equivalent?
I like the idea of fairplay , not the notion that the game should be rigged to tie.
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Like the truly simple-minded dolt that you are , you miss my point completely. I never was for bi-partisanship.
As you franticly try to keep your head above the pool of droll that those of your ilk are known to produce, consider this.
This isn't about you. We already know you are bereft of any honesty.
This is a bout Madame Speaker, who has been caught saying one thing and doing quite the other.
You will never convince me or anyone with a brain that Nancy Pelosi deferring her goal to bring back bi-partisanship to the House in order to keep her higher promise of getting things done for the people is anywhere near the wrongdoings of Delay, Cunningham, Foley, Abramoff ad infinitum , ad nauseum.
Besides, you guys make up most of the shit that you throw at the Dems while your crookedness is well-known and documented
Kill two bird brains with one stone here.
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Who wants bi-partisanship?
Why would we want to have a choice between two parties that are equivalent?
I like the idea of fairplay , not the notion that the game should be rigged to tie.
I dont want bi-partisanship . I want all the crooks most of whom are Repub in jail.
The parties are equivalent in only the fact that it is the same Oligarchy that controls them. The Repubs have made creed & corruption their credo .
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It is sooo good to see you finally admitting that you Repubs are corrupt, but everyone knew that already.
Like the true moron you are, once again you get it wrong.
What you won't have a problem finding is when corrupt republicans are discovered, they are either asked to step down or they resign on their own.
And that seems to be a different modus operandi than the dems.
Like the truly simple-minded dolt that you are , you miss my point completely. I never was for bi-partisanship. I am for trying all those responsible for the war with war crimes. I dont think you can really nail Pelosi for not being bi-partisan yet because it is way too early. The fact that she is leaving the obstructionists out of the first 100 hours to get things done that she really promised the people, not Repub criminals, is commendable. If a politician says something I disagree with and does something I do agree with, I can forgive that and if you had an ounce of honesty in your body, YOU would admit that as well because that is exactly what Repub politicians do nearly all the time. For instance, touting balaced budgets and creating massive deficits , claiming to want to cut spending and then adding their own pork ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
Do you care about any kind of wrongdoing , that doesn't involve Republicans?
I care about wrongdoing involving anyone. It is just that the Repubs have made it their culture. They are greedy , arrogant crooks for the most part. You will never convince me or anyone with a brain that Nancy Pelosi deferring her goal to bring back bi-partisanship to the House in order to keep her higher promise of getting things done for the people is anywhere near the wrongdoings of Delay, Cunningham, Foley, Abramoff ad infinitum , ad nauseum.
Besides, you guys make up most of the shit that you throw at the Dems while your crookedness is well-known and documeneted
No corruption is not any more a Republican feature than it was a feature unique to Archerons, it is the power that draws the corruption in the same manner that moths are drawn to light.
If the Dems have more power they will attract more corruption , it will be like old times , remember?
Abscam , house bank , travelgate,etc etc etc....
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Who wants bi-partisanship?
Why would we want to have a choice between two parties that are equivalent?
I like the idea of fairplay , not the notion that the game should be rigged to tie.
I dont want bi-partisanship . I want all the crooks most of whom are Repub in jail.
The parties are equivalent in only the fact that it is the same Oligarchy that controls them. The Repubs have made creed & corruption their credo .
First lock up all of the Republicans who are crooks .
Then STOP STOP do not even look for Democrats who are crooks!
There is importanty work for them to do they have a little cash in their freezer is not as important as that they get to do their work , their work is for the people , for the children for our future!
Know this ,while Republicans were in power in all three branches , Cunningham and Abramof were locked up in jail.
Do you really think that Democrats can put Democrats in jail?
I think this would be a standard above their reach.
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You will never convince me or anyone with a brain that Nancy Pelosi deferring her goal
If it is a worthy goal, why defer. It's kinda like raising the minimum wage in a two stage action so as to minimize economic impact which we were also told was neglible.
So what is the date certain for Nancy's bipartisanship pledge to be implemented? Day 101?
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You will never convince me or anyone with a brain that Nancy Pelosi deferring her goal
If it is a worthy goal, why defer. It's kinda like raising the minimum wage in a two stage action so as to minimize economic impact which we were also told was neglible.
So what is the date certain for Nancy's bipartisanship pledge to be implemented? Day 101?
I expect a positive impact from the rise of the minimum wage , I am a civil servant and a landlord , I get COLA and raises that I determine myself , but my debts are fixed in dollars that can shrink.
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Who wants bi-partisanship?
Why would we want to have a choice between two parties that are equivalent?
I like the idea of fairplay , not the notion that the game should be rigged to tie.
I dont want bi-partisanship . I want all the crooks most of whom are Repub in jail.
The parties are equivalent in only the fact that it is the same Oligarchy that controls them. The Repubs have made creed & corruption their credo .
First lock up all of the Republicans who are crooks .
Then STOP STOP do not even look for Democrats who are crooks!
There is importanty work for them to do they have a little cash in their freezer is not as important as that they get to do their work , their work is for the people , for the children for our future!
Know this ,while Republicans were in power in all three branches , Cunningham and Abramof were locked up in jail.
Do you really think that Democrats can put Democrats in jail?
I think this would be a standard above their reach.
Most of the crooks are Repub because it is a part of their business oriented culture to be so.
When they did last have the power, they did unish their own including poor ol"' Jim Wright http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wright whose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wright whose)"crime" then was piddly compared to the shit your Repub crooks had made standard practice before just now being outed and thrown out of office..
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"Wright became the target of an inquiry by the House Ethics Committee. Their report in early 1989 implied that he had used bulk purchases of his vanity book Reflections of a Public Man to earn speaking fees in excess of the allowed maximum, and that his wife, Betty, was given a job and perks to avoid the limit on gifts. Faced with an increasing loss of effectiveness, he resigned as Speaker on May 31, 1989,..."
And why is this lessor of a crime?
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"Wright became the target of an inquiry by the House Ethics Committee. Their report in early 1989 implied that he had used bulk purchases of his vanity book Reflections of a Public Man to earn speaking fees in excess of the allowed maximum, and that his wife, Betty, was given a job and perks to avoid the limit on gifts. Faced with an increasing loss of effectiveness, he resigned as Speaker on May 31, 1989,..."
And why is this lessor of a crime?
For many e did not break campaign laws like Delay, take direct bribes like Cunningham , harass pages like Foley or take illegal trips like nearly all the Repubs did. In fact, book deals are now commonplace and nearly everyone has one. Your Repubs have given corruption a bad name by sheer redundancy.
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You will never convince me or anyone with a brain that Nancy Pelosi deferring her goal
If it is a worthy goal, why defer. It's kinda like raising the minimum wage in a two stage action so as to minimize economic impact which we were also told was neglible.
So what is the date certain for Nancy's bipartisanship pledge to be implemented? Day 101?
There is just as much bipartisanship now as there was under the Repubs . The Repubs new found humility may make it easier to create more of it. They have to try as well, you know and incessant whining isnt going to help.
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The deal was, by the way, that Pelosi, when minority leader, proposed a deal by which the Republicans would agree to treat the Democrats in a pleasant and civilized manner.
The Republicans declined, and treated the Democrats like mulesh*t.
Now the Republicans want the same bill Pelosi proposed.
And the Democrats, having been treated like the proverbial mulesh*t, are disinclined to accept it.
And Slurs, he whose mind resembles a proverbial steel trap, sees this as an instance of DEMOCRATIC hypocrisy.
Plus ça change, plus ça la meme chose...
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There is just as much bipartisanship now as there was under the Repubs . The Repubs new found humility may make it easier to create more of it. They have to try as well, you know and incessant whining isnt going to help.
Agin you misunderstand.
This isn't about the republicans. It is about nancy advocating a policy she is not willing to deliver when she has the power to do so.
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"Wright became the target of an inquiry by the House Ethics Committee. Their report in early 1989 implied that he had used bulk purchases of his vanity book Reflections of a Public Man to earn speaking fees in excess of the allowed maximum, and that his wife, Betty, was given a job and perks to avoid the limit on gifts. Faced with an increasing loss of effectiveness, he resigned as Speaker on May 31, 1989,..."
And why is this lessor of a crime?
For many e did not break campaign laws like Delay, take direct bribes like Cunningham , harass pages like Foley or take illegal trips like nearly all the Repubs did. In fact, book deals are now commonplace and nearly everyone has one. Your Repubs have given corruption a bad name by sheer redundancy.
He broke campain laws , Unlike Delay who is falsely accused .
How is thatr prosicution comeing along anyhow?
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"Wright became the target of an inquiry by the House Ethics Committee. Their report in early 1989 implied that he had used bulk purchases of his vanity book Reflections of a Public Man to earn speaking fees in excess of the allowed maximum, and that his wife, Betty, was given a job and perks to avoid the limit on gifts. Faced with an increasing loss of effectiveness, he resigned as Speaker on May 31, 1989,..."
And why is this lessor of a crime?
For many e did not break campaign laws like Delay, take direct bribes like Cunningham , harass pages like Foley or take illegal trips like nearly all the Repubs did. In fact, book deals are now commonplace and nearly everyone has one. Your Repubs have given corruption a bad name by sheer redundancy.
He broke campain laws , Unlike Delay who is falsely accused .
How is thatr prosicution comeing along anyhow?
So DeLay was falsely accused now and you have the nerve to say I would forgive a Dem anything? You make excuses for the biggest obvious crooked asshole in the world.
BTW- the prosecution is coming along nicely and has just been expanded. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/05/AR2006010502331.html
So glad that you asked.
:P
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"Earle, an elected district attorney in Travis County, Tex., did not reveal in the subpoenas why he believes he has jurisdiction over the campaign spending. "
That is fishing isn't it!
Conviction would be a lot easyer if the prosicutor had some evidence that a crime was ever committed.
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"Earle, an elected district attorney in Travis County, Tex., did not reveal in the subpoenas why he believes he has jurisdiction over the campaign spending. "
That is fishing isn't it!
Conviction would be a lot easyer if the prosicutor had some evidence that a crime was ever committed.
You have a problem wth fishing? That is all y'all did with Starr. I think Earle will be much more successful .
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"Earle, an elected district attorney in Travis County, Tex., did not reveal in the subpoenas why he believes he has jurisdiction over the campaign spending. "
That is fishing isn't it!
Conviction would be a lot easyer if the prosicutor had some evidence that a crime was ever committed.
You have a problem wth fishing? That is all y'all did with Starr. I think Earle will be much more successful .
I think that Earle is a good example top point to as an example of Democratic tolerance for chicanery.
Starr actually found evidence that Clinton broke a law.
Earle is busy embarrassing the Democratic party.
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Earle is a hero to most Americans now.
He brought the smug little rat to his knees.
Take your own poll.
Who is the favorite in America's mind--Earle or DeLay?
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Earle is a hero to most Americans now.
He brought the smug little rat to his knees.
Take your own poll.
Who is the favorite in America's mind--Earle or DeLay?
Earle is a Linch Mob leader.
Go on and explain to me what DeLay is supposed to be guilty of.
Does anyone understand the charges?
Do you care ?
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DeLay would not be lynched, he would be hanged.
Nine turns in the rope.
No cigarette.
After his epalets were torn away, slidewunkWHAM, he dangles, swaying, kicking hard.
Yea Earle!!!
Like Spitzer, Earle will be remembered by the American people as one who stepped forward and confronted this History's worst corruption.
As all the world is aware, DeLay is a poster boy for that corruption.
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So you would join the lynch mob with no idea of what the crime is?
Shame on you .
I don't expect Earle to make the charges stick , already he has abandoned his origional charges and substituted others , now Knute points out that Earle is fishing again, I take this as a sign that he has got no cards to play at this time.
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Plane,
Shame on YOU for comparing our justice system to a lynch mob.
You can use Google as well as I can. You've forgotten the charges? Look'em up. I will not do it for you.
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Plane,
Shame on YOU for comparing our justice system to a lynch mob.
You can use Google as well as I can. You've forgotten the charges? Look'em up. I will not do it for you.
You also have no understanding of the charges.
But you are happy just that a Republican is being attacked .
Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.
Democrats hang your heads .
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Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.
Not only have the election law violations charges been dropped against Delay, most people forget that Earle had to go to his third Grand Jury to even get those indictments against him.
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Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.
Not only have the election law violations charges been dropped against Delay, most people forget that Earle had to go to his third Grand Jury to even get those indictments against him.
Wow. Yet somehow DeLay is the sinister bad guy in this production. My guess is it's because he has an R after his name. Make him part of that "pure evil" society, thus justifying any and all means to take him down
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Wow. Yet somehow DeLay is the sinister bad guy in this production. My guess is it's because he has an R after his name. Make him part of that "pure evil" society, thus justifying any and all means to take him down
But the guy with $90,000 in his freezer?
He's all good. After all, he's a Democrat, so there can't be anything wrong. Just his "butter and egg" money he's been saving for a rainy day.
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Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.
Not only have the election law violations charges been dropped against Delay, most people forget that Earle had to go to his third Grand Jury to even get those indictments against him.
Wow. Yet somehow DeLay is the sinister bad guy in this production. My guess is it's because he has an R after his name. Make him part of that "pure evil" society, thus justifying any and all means to take him down
Even when you guys always loved being the victims. You will REALLY have your chance to be victims now.
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Plane,
Shame on YOU for comparing our justice system to a lynch mob.
You can use Google as well as I can. You've forgotten the charges? Look'em up. I will not do it for you.
You also have no understanding of the charges.
But you are happy just that a Republican is being attacked .
Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.
Democrats hang your heads .
Y'all are responsible for the most corrupt and perverted Congress and the most corrupt, arrogant and evil administration in American history and WE are supposed to hang OUR heads? Bwahahahaha!
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Suppose I ask you to refrain from kicking me in the nuts and you then kick me in the nuts.
The next day, you are in an unfortunate position, and noting this, ask me to refrain from kicking you in the nuts.
But I, remembering how unpleasant I found your kicking me in the nuts, decline your suggestion and kick you in the nuts
This DOES NOT MAKE ME A HYPOCRITE. A Nut-Kicker, yes, a sadist, perhaps, but NOT a hypocrite.
No matter how much your nuts hurt.
No matter how much anyone's nuts hurt, actually.
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You also have no understanding of the charges.
But you are happy just that a Republican is being attacked .
Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.
Democrats hang your heads .
Hang my head? Hah! No.
My poor memory is not a defense against criminal conspiracy. That's what DeLay is accused of.
Scratch my head, and try to think of which dirty Repuglican this is and what he did. There have been so many, you see, it is hard to keep track of who did what. There lies the problem.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/28/AR2005092800270.html
House Majority Leader Tom Delay Indicted
Texas v. Colyandro, et al.
U.S. House Majority Leader Tom Delay is indicted by a Texas grand jury on criminal conspiracy charges relating to a campaign finance probe.
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/delay/delay92805ind.html
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U.S. House Majority Leader Tom Delay is indicted by a Texas grand jury on criminal conspiracy charges relating to a campaign finance probe.
Good thing he has a trial coming up and sad thing for Earle is he can't shop juries like he did grand juries.
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U.S. House Majority Leader Tom Delay is indicted by a Texas grand jury on criminal conspiracy charges relating to a campaign finance probe.
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/delay/delay92805ind.html
The campaign finance charges have been thrown out of court. The decision of the judge to throw them out was appealed by Earle, and the appellate court has upheld the decision to throw out the charges.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177753,00.html
The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.
"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.
DeLay Conspiracy Charges Tossed, Money Laundering Case Remains
Tuesday, December 06, 2005
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AUSTIN, Texas — Rep. Tom DeLay isn't out of the legal woods yet and won't be able to reclaim his post as House majority leader in January even though a state judge on Monday dismissed conspiracy charges against the Texas Republican.
DeLay still faces a money laundering charge and conspiracy to commit money laundering charge brought by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle. Earle alleges that DeLay and two Republican fund-raisers, John Colyandro and Jim Ellis, illegally funneled $190,000 in corporate donations to 2002 Republican candidates for the Texas Legislature.
Under Texas law, corporate money cannot be directly used for political campaigns, but it can be used for administrative purposes.
Read the DeLay ruling (pdf)
Judge Pat Priest , who is presiding over the case against DeLay, issued the ruling after a hearing late last month in which DeLay's attorney argued that the indictment was fatally flawed.
DeLay lawyer Dick DeGuerin argued that one of the charges — conspiracy to violate the Texas election code — did not even take effect until September 2003, a year after the alleged offenses occurred. Priest agreed and dismissed that charge.
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But he did not agree with DeGuerin's argument that a check allegedly sent to the Republican National Committee by DeLay's political action committee for Texas state candidates was not actual "funds" and therefore did not constitute money laundering.
"If the state can prove that funds were obtained from corporate contributors by these defendants with the express intent of converting those funds to the use of individual candidates, or if the state can prove that these defendants entered into an agreement to convert the monies already on hand, though originally received for lawful purposes ... then they will have established that money was laundered," Priest wrote.
"The money would have become 'dirty money' at the point that it began to be held with the prohibited intent. Of course, if the state cannot establish that beyond a reasonable doubt, then the defendants will be entitled to be acquitted," Priest added.
The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.
"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.
"If he could have gotten it reversed ... he'd be much happier. The heaviest charges in terms of jail time ... those two charges are still here and they can't be resolved [through a judge's ruling], they have to be resolved through a jury trial," Napolitano said.
Despite the news that DeLay will still have to face a jury trial, his spokesman said the congressman is pleased with Priest's ruling.
"The court's decision to dismiss Ronnie Earle's numerous charges against Mr. DeLay underscores just how baseless and politically motivated the charges were," DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said.
"Mr. DeLay is very encouraged by the swift progress of the legal proceedings and looks forward to his eventual and absolute exoneration based on the facts and the law," Madden added.
"We have received the opinion from Judge Priest and we are studying it," Earle's office said in a statement. "We have made no decision about whether to appeal any part of his ruling."
The 11-term congressman had hoped to have the case wrapped up before January so he could return to the leadership post he was forced to give up when the indictment came down in September.
Currently, Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., has been serving as acting majority leader. The new session of this Congress starts in late January, and some rank-and-file Republicans have expressed concern that DeLay's legal troubles could distract from GOP objectives and its agenda ahead of the midterm election. However, DeLay is not required to announce he is stepping aside permanently, and a ruling could decide his fate for him.
By not stepping aside, DeLay does invite continued calls of a "culture of corruption" from minority Democrats, who continue to suggest that DeLay's troubles are indicative of an entire party plagued by cronyism.
"This is not a vindication. Congressman DeLay still faces very serious criminal charges. "Republicans' culture of corruption is alive and well," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
Priest said at the Nov. 22 hearing that it was unlikely a trial could be convened before the start of the new year. DeLay's next court appearance is likely to be sometime between Christmas and New Year's Day.
"In terms of the legal jeopardy that he will face in January, and in terms of his ability to solve this before the Republicans vote for leadership ... they have suffered a stinging defeat," Napolitano said of DeLay's team.
With DeLay's help, the GOP took control of the Texas House for the first time in 130 years, then pushed through a congressional redistricting plan engineered by DeLay that resulted in the election of Republicans to House seats, turning over the Texas delegation to Congress to a Republican majority.
FOX News' Jim Mills and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Thanks for validating my post, and confirming that the election law charges were dropped.
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Plane,
Shame on YOU for comparing our justice system to a lynch mob.
You can use Google as well as I can. You've forgotten the charges? Look'em up. I will not do it for you.
You also have no understanding of the charges.
But you are happy just that a Republican is being attacked .
Earle began with one set of charges , had to change them , and now he is again fishing.
Democrats hang your heads .
Y'all are responsible for the most corrupt and perverted Congress and the most corrupt, arrogant and evil administration in American history and WE are supposed to hang OUR heads? Bwahahahaha!
No I expect you will continue to carry your tourch and keep in step.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177753,00.html
The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.
"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.
DeLay Conspiracy Charges Tossed, Money Laundering Case Remains
Tuesday, December 06, 2005
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AUSTIN, Texas — Rep. Tom DeLay isn't out of the legal woods yet and won't be able to reclaim his post as House majority leader in January even though a state judge on Monday dismissed conspiracy charges against the Texas Republican.
DeLay still faces a money laundering charge and conspiracy to commit money laundering charge brought by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle. Earle alleges that DeLay and two Republican fund-raisers, John Colyandro and Jim Ellis, illegally funneled $190,000 in corporate donations to 2002 Republican candidates for the Texas Legislature.
Under Texas law, corporate money cannot be directly used for political campaigns, but it can be used for administrative purposes.
Read the DeLay ruling (pdf)
Judge Pat Priest , who is presiding over the case against DeLay, issued the ruling after a hearing late last month in which DeLay's attorney argued that the indictment was fatally flawed.
DeLay lawyer Dick DeGuerin argued that one of the charges — conspiracy to violate the Texas election code — did not even take effect until September 2003, a year after the alleged offenses occurred. Priest agreed and dismissed that charge.
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But he did not agree with DeGuerin's argument that a check allegedly sent to the Republican National Committee by DeLay's political action committee for Texas state candidates was not actual "funds" and therefore did not constitute money laundering.
"If the state can prove that funds were obtained from corporate contributors by these defendants with the express intent of converting those funds to the use of individual candidates, or if the state can prove that these defendants entered into an agreement to convert the monies already on hand, though originally received for lawful purposes ... then they will have established that money was laundered," Priest wrote.
"The money would have become 'dirty money' at the point that it began to be held with the prohibited intent. Of course, if the state cannot establish that beyond a reasonable doubt, then the defendants will be entitled to be acquitted," Priest added.
The money laundering charges that remain are the far more serious of the charges though they are harder to prove, said FOX News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano.
"That's the one that includes the serious, heavy jail time should he be convicted. That's still in there," Napolitano said. Conspiracy to violate the Texas election code carries up to two years in prison. Money laundering is punishable by five years to life. Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries two years.
"If he could have gotten it reversed ... he'd be much happier. The heaviest charges in terms of jail time ... those two charges are still here and they can't be resolved [through a judge's ruling], they have to be resolved through a jury trial," Napolitano said.
Despite the news that DeLay will still have to face a jury trial, his spokesman said the congressman is pleased with Priest's ruling.
"The court's decision to dismiss Ronnie Earle's numerous charges against Mr. DeLay underscores just how baseless and politically motivated the charges were," DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said.
"Mr. DeLay is very encouraged by the swift progress of the legal proceedings and looks forward to his eventual and absolute exoneration based on the facts and the law," Madden added.
"We have received the opinion from Judge Priest and we are studying it," Earle's office said in a statement. "We have made no decision about whether to appeal any part of his ruling."
The 11-term congressman had hoped to have the case wrapped up before January so he could return to the leadership post he was forced to give up when the indictment came down in September.
Currently, Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., has been serving as acting majority leader. The new session of this Congress starts in late January, and some rank-and-file Republicans have expressed concern that DeLay's legal troubles could distract from GOP objectives and its agenda ahead of the midterm election. However, DeLay is not required to announce he is stepping aside permanently, and a ruling could decide his fate for him.
By not stepping aside, DeLay does invite continued calls of a "culture of corruption" from minority Democrats, who continue to suggest that DeLay's troubles are indicative of an entire party plagued by cronyism.
"This is not a vindication. Congressman DeLay still faces very serious criminal charges. "Republicans' culture of corruption is alive and well," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
Priest said at the Nov. 22 hearing that it was unlikely a trial could be convened before the start of the new year. DeLay's next court appearance is likely to be sometime between Christmas and New Year's Day.
"In terms of the legal jeopardy that he will face in January, and in terms of his ability to solve this before the Republicans vote for leadership ... they have suffered a stinging defeat," Napolitano said of DeLay's team.
With DeLay's help, the GOP took control of the Texas House for the first time in 130 years, then pushed through a congressional redistricting plan engineered by DeLay that resulted in the election of Republicans to House seats, turning over the Texas delegation to Congress to a Republican majority.
FOX News' Jim Mills and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
But Lanya you were estatic over Tom DeLay being prosecuted , before you knew anything at all about what the charges were.
The first charges were too flimsy to stand .
The second charges are still in play , but what should it indicate to us all that third charges are being looked for in new catagories?
I challenge you to attempt to imagine a Democrat being treated like this!
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Plane, there have been so, so many lawbreakers on your side of the aisle, I lose track. Again: My poor memory does not make his criminal activity any more OK.
It's still not OK even if it was months ago, or if I don't remember all the statutes and charges. OK?
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Plane, there have been so, so many lawbreakers on your side of the aisle, I lose track. Again: My poor memory does not make his criminal activity any more OK.
It's still not OK even if it was months ago, or if I don't remember all the statutes and charges. OK?
Numericly Democrats are the conviction champions of American history .
But your not paying attention to both sides.
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Plane, there have been so, so many lawbreakers on your side of the aisle, I lose track. Again: My poor memory does not make his criminal activity any more OK.
It's still not OK even if it was months ago, or if I don't remember all the statutes and charges. OK?
Numericly Democrats are the conviction champions of American history .
But your not paying attention to both sides.
Source! And if you go back before her were Repubs, it doesnt count. That was a looooong time ago.
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How far back would you want to count?
This makes a lot of diffrence because the manipulation of the sample can change the result.
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Since the 1970s, more than a dozen congressmen have been convicted in criminal court. Their cases and sentences include:
- Rep. Andrew J. Hinshaw, R-Calif., spent a year in jail after being convicted in 1976 of accepting bribes when he was county tax assessor. He lost the primary election and resigned at the end of his term.
- Rep. Charles Diggs Jr., D-Mich., was convicted in 1978 of operating a payroll kickback scheme in his congressional office. He served seven months of a three-year prison term. He was re-elected, then resigned in 1980.
- Rep. Michael Myers, D-Pa., served 20 1/2 months of a three-year prison sentence for accepting bribes from FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen. He was convicted in 1980 and expelled from Congress.
- Four other House members were convicted in the Arab businessmen bribery scandal: Democratic Reps. John Murphy of New York, Frank Thompson of New Jersey, John Jenrette of South Carolina and Raymond Lederer of Pennsylvania. Thompson and Murphy were sentenced to three years; Jenrette, two years; and Lederer, one year.
- Rep. Mario Biaggi, D-N.Y., was convicted in 1988 of extorting nearly $2 million from defense contractor Wedtech Corp. He resigned from Congress and served two years and two months of an eight-year sentence. He was defeated for re-election in 1992.
- Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-Ill., was sentenced in 1995 to five years in prison for having sex with an underage campaign worker. He resigned from Congress, then was sentenced in 1997 to 6 1/2 years for bank fraud and other violations. The second sentence, which was to run at the same time as first, was commuted in 2001 by President Clinton.
- Rep. Walter Tucker III, D-Calif., was sentenced in 1996 to two years and three months in prison for accepting and demanding bribes while mayor of a Los Angeles suburb. He resigned from Congress a week after his 1995 conviction.
- Rep. Dan Rostenkowski, D-Ill., pleaded guilty in 1996 to two felony mail fraud charges, lost re-election and served 15 months in prison. Clinton pardoned him in 2000.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725590/posts
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http://caught.net/prose/corrupti.htm
I wish you would allow me to use Arron Burr , he really was a Democrat.
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America, Mark Twain once said, is a nation without a distinct criminal class "with the possible exception of Congress."
http://www.larryelder.com/congress/congresscrooks.htm
include current Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla), whose trail of bad debts, lies to Congress and misstatements to the Internal Revenue Service have spawned a number of investigations. Then there is Rep. James Moran (D-Va) whose wife has charged him with abuse, who has assaulted other members of Congress on the floor of the House and is a former stockbroker whose judgment in trades is so bad he is broke from poor investments. The list also includes Joe Waldholtz, a con man and husband of former Rep. Enid Greene Waldholtz (R-UT) who kited more than a million dollars in bad checks and ended up in prison.
Others, like former Ohio Senator John Glenn, have driven creditors into bankruptcy because of unpaid debts left over from aborted Presidential campaigns. Even millionaire Senator Ted Kennedy has left a trail of unpaid debts from past campaigns.
In recent years, members of Congress have gone to jail for child molestation, fraud and other charges.
Our research found 117 members of the House and Senate who have run at least two businesses each that went bankrupt, often leaving business partners and creditors holding the bag. Seventy-one of them have credit reports so bad they can't get an American Express card (but as members of Congress, they get a government-issued Amex card without a credit check).
Fifty-three have personal and financial problems so serious they would be denied security clearances by the Department of Defense or the Department of Energy if they had to apply through normal channels (but, again, as members of Congress they get such clearances simply because they fooled enough people to get elected).
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aatBrI7b__DY&refer=us
This one is intresting for both parties.
The real point is that the party that is less examined for corruption will be be better home for corruption.
The party that has more power will be the party that is a more lucretive home for corruption.
In Web searching for Congresscrooks , I did find that there were plenty of Democrats and also no shortage of Republicans , it is a good idea to sweep ones own house , but you certainly can depend on your enemys to find the dirt you have missed.
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http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/congress.htm#chb
Who writes for snopes?
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Since the 1970s, more than a dozen congressmen have been convicted in criminal court. Their cases and sentences include:
- Rep. Andrew J. Hinshaw, R-Calif., spent a year in jail after being convicted in 1976 of accepting bribes when he was county tax assessor. He lost the primary election and resigned at the end of his term.
- Rep. Charles Diggs Jr., D-Mich., was convicted in 1978 of operating a payroll kickback scheme in his congressional office. He served seven months of a three-year prison term. He was re-elected, then resigned in 1980.
- Rep. Michael Myers, D-Pa., served 20 1/2 months of a three-year prison sentence for accepting bribes from FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen. He was convicted in 1980 and expelled from Congress.
- Four other House members were convicted in the Arab businessmen bribery scandal: Democratic Reps. John Murphy of New York, Frank Thompson of New Jersey, John Jenrette of South Carolina and Raymond Lederer of Pennsylvania. Thompson and Murphy were sentenced to three years; Jenrette, two years; and Lederer, one year.
- Rep. Mario Biaggi, D-N.Y., was convicted in 1988 of extorting nearly $2 million from defense contractor Wedtech Corp. He resigned from Congress and served two years and two months of an eight-year sentence. He was defeated for re-election in 1992.
- Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-Ill., was sentenced in 1995 to five years in prison for having sex with an underage campaign worker. He resigned from Congress, then was sentenced in 1997 to 6 1/2 years for bank fraud and other violations. The second sentence, which was to run at the same time as first, was commuted in 2001 by President Clinton.
- Rep. Walter Tucker III, D-Calif., was sentenced in 1996 to two years and three months in prison for accepting and demanding bribes while mayor of a Los Angeles suburb. He resigned from Congress a week after his 1995 conviction.
- Rep. Dan Rostenkowski, D-Ill., pleaded guilty in 1996 to two felony mail fraud charges, lost re-election and served 15 months in prison. Clinton pardoned him in 2000.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725590/posts
So you prove how charges can be manipulated by posting a manipulated list by the biggest RW liars of all, the FreeRepublic? Dont you ever read anything truthful?
Your "list " didnt include Duke Cunningham http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1667009&page=1 or Bill Janklow http://www.sptimes.com/2003/12/09/Worldandnation/Congressman_convicted.shtml among many others, I dont know why they even included one Repub. Maybe to fool you?
Full list here:
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/corrupt.txt
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Full list here:
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/corrupt.txt
Quite a few Dems on that list as well. Didn't keep count, but they could have been the majority of that list as well.
Were you trying to help Plane prove his point?
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I did a lot of websearch and learned that the figures are being played with quite a bit.
What catagory you choose to leave in or out , what date you start or stop, makes a real diffrence.
I think I shall choose to be more cauthious than to invest complete trust in any party made up of human beings.
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Source! And if you go back before her were Repubs, it doesnt count. That was a looooong time ago.
Would you accept an incident from when Republicans were new?
http://www.sdreader.com/php/ma_show.php?id=60
How many fights have there been on the floor of Congress?
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Charles Sumner was a U.S. senator from Massachusetts (1851-74) who played a prominent role in the U.S. Civil War era, an avid abolitionist who refused compromise on the issue of equal rights for blacks. In 1855 Sumner read an intemperate speech, "The Crime Against Kansas," in which he condemned his opponents, including South Carolina's Senator Andrew P. Butler. Two days later Preston Brooks, Butler's nephew and a congressman from South Carolina, entered the senate chamber and beat Sumner unconscious with a cane. Brooks was a hero to his constituency and was re-elected; Sumner, who took three years to recover from the beating, was a martyr to his constituency and was re-elected. Sumner was one of the most powerful members of the Radical Republicans, whose insistence on immediate equal rights for blacks (and punitive measures against slaveowners) caused him to clash with presidents Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson and Ulysses Grant.
http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-sumner
The conflict in Kansas also spilled into the halls of the United States Senate in 1856. In a speech on the subject of slavery in the territory entitled, “The Kansas Question,†Massachusetts Senator Charles Sumner took issue with proslavery senators from South Carolina and Illinois “who have raised themselves to eminence on this floor in championship of human wrongs,†(page 5).
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from The Kansas Question.
Arguments of the Chivalry,
from American Treasures of the Library of Congress Sumner repeatedly insulted Senator A.P. Butler of South Carolina in his speech, describing him as someone who “touches nothing which he does not disfigure—with error, sometimes of principle, sometimes of fact†(page 29). Two days later, Butler’s cousin, South Carolina Representative Preston Brooks, clubbed Senator Sumner over the head with a cane in the Senate chambers and injured him so severley that Sumner did not return to the Senate for two and a half years.
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