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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on September 15, 2011, 10:23:38 PM
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Israeli-Greek defense pact invoked
versus Turkish naval and air movements
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
September 15, 2011, 10:51 AM (GMT+02:00)
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Turkish Warplanes
Israel and Greece have invoked the mutual defense pact they signed secretly only 12 days ago in the light of heavy Turkish sea and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. debkafile's sources report that this was decided in a long nocturnal phone conversation Wednesday night Sept. 14 between the Israeli and Greek prime ministers, Binyamin Netanyahu and George Papandreou, and at Israel's expanded cabinet of eight, which was called into session over the Turkish threat to its off-shore oil and gas rigs.
The Greek Prime Minister added to the information recorded so far on Turkish fleet movements in the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas. He was particularly concerned by the observation flights suddenly increased in the past 48 hours over the Greek island of Kastelorizo in the southeast Mediterranean just two kilometers from the Turkish coast. Those flights are escorted by Turkish combat jets.
Athens fears a Turkish attack on the island, whose population is fewer than 1,000, and an attempt to damage or seize it. Israel suspects that a Turkish attack on the Greek island will be the signal for Turkish military aggression against its oil and gas platforms located in the Mediterranean between Israel and Cyprus. Papandreou said the Turks are capable of surprise attacks on additional Greek islands near the Turkish coast.
Ankara would be acting on the pretext that Israel and Cyprus have no right to mark out and exploit the gas and oil zones of the eastern Mediterranean ? a fuel-rich region known as Block 12 ? without the consent of Turkish Cyprus (the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus ? TRNC). Turkey also backs Lebanon's complaint that Israel is robbing it of its natural resources. Talks between Lebanon and Cyprus to resolve this issue broke down. Beirut refuses any discussion with Israel.
Neither Jerusalem nor Athens has disclosed in what way they have invoked the new defense pact.
debkafile's military sources surmise that in the first stage, Israeli navy and air forces are to be posted at Greek Mediterranean bases. The two intelligence agencies are already sharing input.
Up until now, Israel could only respond to a Turkish threat from its own borders. With a presence at Greek military bases, Israel will be able to operate from the rear of Turkish forces in the event of an attack by those forces in the Mediterranean.
Monday, Sept. 12, Ankara dictated conditions for Israel to obey in order to keep its navy afloat free of Turkish aggression:
1. Israel vessels are prohibited from taking action against Turkish ships heading for the Gaza Strip. Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan has declared "null and void" the UN report confirming the legality of Israel's blockade of Gaza.
2. Israeli warships crossing the 12-mile line bounding its territorial waters will be challenged by Turkish warships, which are instructed to approach them to within 100 meters and "disable their weapons."
This threat covers not only shipping bound for Gaza but also Israel's oil and gas drilling platforms which are more than 60 miles out to sea.
Israel's political and military spokesmen have been trying hard to downplay the Turkish menace. On Wednesday, Sept. 14, they brushed aside reports of Turkish naval and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. After the cabinet of eight's meeting, the official line was that Israel is practicing "restraint in contrast to Turkish wildness" and they should be given time to cool down. In any case, the US and NATO were closely monitoring the crisis Ankara is generating with Israel, Greece and Cyprus, and won't let it degenerate into Turkish military action.
But both Israel and Greece appear to know better: They decided to invoke their mutual defense pact ? not before obtaining a green light from Washington ? because they believe the Turkish threats indicated by its military movements are real and tangible.
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There is no way that Turkey is likely to go to war with Israel. There has been a dispute between Greece and Turkey over Cyprus for decades. Cyprus is divided along ethnic lines, which is probably more satisfactory to both Greek and Turkish Cypriots than a united Cyprus dominated by Christians, who are in the majority.
Debkafiles loves the idea of war. Yet the wars they predict never happen.
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I wonder how that will work. Both Greece and Turkey being part of NATO.
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US urges Americans
to leave Syria immediately
Sept 15, 2011
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44538767/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44538767/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/)
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I wonder how that will work. Both Greece and Turkey being part of NATO.
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There will be no war.
Debkafiles has a record of zero at predicting wars. It is simply an agent of Zionist hysteria written for the more mentally challenged Jews and Christians.
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Debkafiles has a record of zero at predicting wars. It is simply an agent of Zionist hysteria
written for the more mentally challenged Jews and Christians.
What an intellectual wussy.."kill the messenger"..rather than deal with reality
Oooops Boss....look at all the other non-Debka sources (see below)
I guess "they're all Jewish propaganda" outlets!
Ha Ha Ha......and then there is reality!
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Turkey on collision course with Greece, Cyprus
By MENELAOS HADJICOSTIS , 09.16.11, 10:12 AM EDT
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/16/general-energy-eu-turkey-greece-cyprus-gas-drilling_8683598.html (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/16/general-energy-eu-turkey-greece-cyprus-gas-drilling_8683598.html)
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Threat by Turkish Premier Raises Tensions With Israel
By ETHAN BRONNER
September 9, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/world/middleeast/10israel.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/world/middleeast/10israel.html)
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Turkey's warships warning to Israel
By REUTERS
Sep 15, 2011
http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article502240.ece (http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article502240.ece)
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Turkey warns over Cyprus oil drilling plans
16 September, 2011
http://www.financialmirror.com/news-details.php?nid=24420 (http://www.financialmirror.com/news-details.php?nid=24420)
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In the case of Debkafiles, the messenger DESERVES to be throttled. There are neurotic psychos in Israel today, just as there were neurotic psycho prophets in the Bible. They constantly preached gloom and doom and of course, it all came true within a couple of centuries, as it would have had no one predicted it and for totally different reasons.
Israelis are experts at guilt. They know that they are guilty of stealing land from the Palestinians, and they know that the world hates them for it.
But no, Greece and Turkey are not going to war. They didn't fight much over Cyprus, which involved the persecution of actual Greeks and Turks, and they are not going to fight over Israel's stupid pompous braggadocio.
Time for the US to sup[port independence for Palestine and cut the damned Zionists loose. They are a bunch of annoying beggars that have never helped this country, anyway.
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Not going to happen
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Israelis are experts at guilt. They know that they are guilty of stealing land from the Palestinians, and they know that the world hates them for it.
The Israelis are no more guilty of sitting on "stolen" land than you are and most other
people in any nation on earth. Almost every country on earth...the land it sits on today...
was once occupied by someone else that they either ran off or killed. Cry-Me-A-River
on your lameass attempt at guilt while you yourself sit on "stolen" land.
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Again, Debkafiles has been talking about imminent war for the past ten years, and none has occurred. So they are so far just the journalistic equivalent of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and deserve to be ignored by anyone with a brain.
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Again, Debkafiles has been talking about imminent war for the past ten years, and none has occurred. So they are so far just the journalistic equivalent of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and deserve to be ignored by anyone with a brain.
you must not have a brain because you keep paying attention to it rather than ignoring it - you big dummy!
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Debkafiles has been talking about imminent war for the past ten years, and none has occurred
No wars have occurred?
You may want to re-read the news headlines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War)
they are so far just the journalistic equivalent of the Boy Who Cried Wolf
is that kind of like Obama predicting 8% unemployment if we passed his stimulus bill?
is it kind of like predictions from the Left that concealed handgun licenses would increase violence?
is that kind of like the Left predicting Obama would close Gitmo?
if Obama was a weatherman on the economy he'd a been fired long ago!
hopefully his sorry socialist ass wrong predictions will be fired in 2012
BTW.... can you provide examples of when Debka actually ever predicted a war would happen?
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They have predicted war between Turkey and israel, and constantly between Iran and Israel. If you do not think they predict wars, you are not reading the crap you post.
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yeah yeah sure XO......Debka is crap
But Fidel Castro predicts war with Iran...well dats different boss!
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By MARC FRANK
HAVANA, Cuba, July 12, 2010
"Castro, who appeared to be in complete control of his faculties,
used the interview to warn that a war between the United States
and Iran was imminent"
http://abcnews.go.com/International/fidel-castro-appears-cuban-television/story?id=11147805 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/fidel-castro-appears-cuban-television/story?id=11147805)
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Israeli-Greek-Turkish air sea forces
prepare for first Cypriot gas drilling
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report - September 17, 2011
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US Noble Energy rig off Cyprus shore
Military tension is building up among Greece, Turkey and Israel as Cyprus prepares to start exploratory drilling for gas offshore Monday, Sept. 19 in the face of threats from Ankara. All three have placed their air and sea forces in a state of preparedness along with the Cypriot army.
From Wednesday, Sept 14, Turkish warplanes and fighters kept watch on the Homer Ferrington rig belonging to Houston-based Noble Energy as it moved from Israel's offshore field Noa opposite Ashdod to Cyprus's Aphrodite (Block 12) field ready to start work.
It was the first time since the Mavis Marmara episode of May 2010 that Turkish warships came less than 80 kilometers from Israel's territorial waters. debkafile's military sources report that Israeli missile ships and drones kept watch from afar on the Noble rig's movement and tracked Turkish surveillance.
As the rig moved into position opposite Cyprus, so too did two Turkish frigates. A Cypriot spokesman said Turkish warships and fighters had not entered the island's territorial waters.
Ankara questions the rights of Israel and Cyprus to drill for hydrocarbon reserves in the respective Exclusive Economic Zones marked out in an accord they concluded last year.
The UN-approved Law of the Sea authorizes nations to mark out their Exclusive Economic Zones for the exploration of natural resources to a distance of 200 miles outside their territorial waters. Israel has never signed this treaty.
Thursday, Sept. 15, in Tunis, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan continued to inveigh against Israel declaring: "They will see what our decisions will be on this subject. Our navy attack ships can be there at any moment."
Without specifically mentioning Cyprus, he said: "Israel cannot do as it pleases in the Mediterranean" and "Turkey is committed to preserving the freedom of navigation in international waters."
Erdogan avoided linking Israel to the Turkish dispute with Greece and Greek Cyprus but is obviously galled by the connection and its three manifestations.
1. Cyprus's Block 12 where drilling starts Monday borders on the huge Leviathan field Israel is developing in the eastern Mediterranean, whose proven gas reserves are calculated to be 8.5 trillion cubic feet. This would supply the entire US economy's needs for a year.
2. Noble Energy of Houston has a license to drill in Cyrus's Aphrodite while the Israeli company Delek which is developing the Israeli offshore gas fields also has an option in the Cypriot field.
3. Greece and Israel concluded a mutual defense pact on Sept. 4, 2011. Ten days later, Prime Ministers George Papandreou and Binyamin Netanyahu agreed to activate the pact in the light of Turkish threats against Israel and to exploration activity in the Mediterranean basin.
Israel and Greece have therefore begun to coordinate their fleet movements in the eastern Mediterranean and around Cyprus.
Erdogan's threats were followed up this week by a Turkish Foreign Ministry statement saying: ?It has been agreed that Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will conclude a continental shelf delimitation agreement should the Greek Cypriot administration proceed with offshore drilling activities in the south of the island.?
Ankara's problem is that the Turkish Republic of Cyprus is not recognized by any country but Turkey.
Washington has not only given Noble Energy a green light to start drilling off Cyprus but backed it up with a State Department statement Thursday: "The US supports the efforts to enhance energy diversity in Europe, noting the fact a US company was involved was also positive."
Since last Tuesday, Sept. 13, Turkish troop reinforcements are reported by debkafile's military sources as having landed in North Cyprus along with drilling equipment.
These preparations indicate that Turkey is planning to start drilling in the Cypriot EEZ without reference to Nicosia. This would mean that Prime Minister Erdogan, while spouting high-sounding pledges to "preserve "freedom of navigation in international waters," is preparing a wildcat breach of international law and treaties. Friday, the Greek government in Athens warned Ankara against pursuing this step.
However, it would be in keeping with his past defiance of international norms. Even though Turkey accepted the UN Palmer commission's mediation in its dispute with Israel over the flotilla escapade, Erdogan declared its findings "null and void" ?- after the panel ruled that Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip was legal and justified.
Next Monday, therefore, many eyes will be alertly watching to see what happens when the Noble rig starts drilling in Cyprus' Block 12 of the Mediterranean.
The Turkish prime minister has painted himself into a corner: If he orders his naval and/or air units to strike the American rig, he will have to take the consequences, possibly a confrontation with the US, Israel, Greece and Cyprus.
If he does nothing, or nothing more than a token drilling off the Turkish side of the island, he will lose face as a leader able to back up his threats.
He could take a third course like other Muslim rulers and vent his ire on Israel.
The guessing in Washington, NATO and Israel is that the most likely arena for a potential clash of arms in the Mediterranean is offshore Cyprus and it is most likely to evolve into sea and air confrontatons involving Turkey, Greece, Cyprus and Israel.
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yeah yeah sure XO......Debka is crap
But Fidel Castro predicts war with Iran...well dats different boss!
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So if I say that Debkafiles publishes crap, it means, to your twisted mind, that I actually believe everything that Fidel says?
What sort of stupid, twisted logic is that? At no point have I ever claimed that Fidel was an expert on Middle Eastern politics.
War was not imminent when anyone said it, which has been demonstrated by history.
Freedom of navigation and drilling rights are entirely different matters.
If I have the right to walk across your driveway on the sidewalk in front of your house, that does not mean I have the right to drill a well there.
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So if I say that Debkafiles publishes crap, it means, to your twisted mind, that I actually believe
everything that Fidel says?
You're such a joke.
I have in this thread already posted multiple sources of respected media outlets that basically
publish the exact same thing as Debka on a particular topic but you in your antisemitic pursuit
to "demonize the messenger" appear incapable of seeing your own double-standard.
War was not imminent when anyone said it, which has been demonstrated by history.
school teacher needs to look up the word "imminent" in a dictionary because he obviously
does not comprehend the definition of the word.
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If there was no war a year after a war was labelled "Imminent", then the word was misused.
Face it, Debkafiles is simply Zionist propaganda and should be ignored.
Watch and see how Turkey and Greece do not go to war, just as Israel has not bombed Iran, as Debkafiles was hysterically predicting again and again.
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Debkafiles was hysterically predicting again and again.
More lies from the resident anti-Semitic racist of 3DHS!
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Top US Intel official in Ankara to head off naval clash, bring Palestinians to talks
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
September 19, 2011
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James Clapper's triple mission in Ankara
The US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper arrived in Ankara on an urgent surprise visit Sunday night Sept. 18 as Turkish saber-rattling threatened three major US interests:
Sunday, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said the information gathered by the US radar system to be stationed in Turkey's Malatya province as part of the NATO missile-shield would not be shared with Israel ? thereby disrupting the entire system; Monday, US Noble Energy began drilling gas off Cyprus in defiance of Turkish threats; and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' headed to New York to promote UN acceptance of a Palestinian state ? with Ankara's encouragement.
Clapper went straight into talks with the Turkish General Staff, the National Intelligence Agency (MIT) and Foreign Ministry. No official statement was issued on the visit. Turkish sources indicated only that it concerned the planned deployment of the NATO radar system, the fight against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) "as well as other developments in the Middle East."
However, debkafile's intelligence sources report that Clapper was in Turkey for a last-ditch Obama administration bid to avert sea and air hostilities erupting between Turkey, Greece, Cyprus and Israel in the eastern Mediterranean where tensions have been building up over Turkish threats inter alia against offshore gas exploration by Israel and Cyprus.
The US intelligence official's assignment in Ankara tied in with another last-ditch Washington effort, namely to break down Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas's stubborn resolve to press for UN acceptance of a Palestinian state and to sidestep peace negotiations with Israel.
Intelligence reaching the Obama administration traces that obduracy to a quiet conversation Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan held with Abbas in Cairo on Sept. 12. Since then, the Palestinian leader has dug in his heels against every effort to divert him from his UN gambit ? even after Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair persuaded Israeli Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to show flexibility on such thorny issues as Palestinian acceptance of a Jewish national state and the 1967 borders.
The reason was so unreceptive - even to the near-certainty of US aid cutbacks - was a guarantee, administration sources found he obtained from Erdogan, that Turkey would provide the Palestinian Authority with the financial assistance it needed to make up for the reduced flow of aid from the US and Israel ? provided he stuck to his guns.
On the day of their Cairo conversation, Ankara leaked tough new instructions issued by the Erdogan government to the Turkish Navy to pen Israeli warships inside their 12-mile territorial waters and disable the weapons of any vessels sailing beyond that limit.
Erdogan's purpose was to impress the Palestinian leader with the seriousness of Turkish willingness to confront Israel and the United States and persuade him that the Palestinians' best interests lay with aligning with Ankara.
Those sources report that the Palestinian fell for the Erdogan line and determined to stage his own confrontation with Washington and Jerusalem at the United Nations. Friday, Sept. 16, he formally announced he was committed to filing an application with the UN Security Council for Palestinian membership of the world body, despite repeated warnings that it would fail.
debkafile's Washington sources report that, as a last resort, after Israel's flexibility had no effect, the administration sent a high-ranking envoy to take all the issue up with the Turkish prime minister. Since Erdogan had enough influence to persuade Abbas to clash with the US and Israel, he was also believed capable of persuading him to back off.
James Clapper was also commissioned to caution Turkish leaders against continuing their threatened military brinkmanship in the Mediterranean. Another demand was that Ankara line up behind Washington's campaign to revive Palestinian-Israeli negotiations in lieu of their UN initiative and makes sure Mahmoud Abbas knew about the Turkish policy switch.
Following Davutoglu's statement on the X-band radar, Clapper was authorized to warn the Erdogan government that if it barred the sharing of information with Israel, the plan for its installation in Turkey would have to be abandoned. The entire missile shield system is based on a network of advanced radar stations scattered across the Middle East, including the Israeli Negev, and Israel's highly-developed ability to intercept Iranian ballistic missiles.
President Obama has scheduled a meeting with Erdogan for Tuesday, Sept. 20 , on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session in New York. The expeditious Clapper mission was meant to make sure ahead of the interview , Ankara smoothed out the bumps in the ground between Turkey and the United States on the three explosive issues .
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It is more likely than Malta staging an assault on Capri, or the Dardanelles being invaded by Bosnians, so it is perhaps the most likely place in the Mediterranean. But some sort of rebel attack on some loyalist place on the Syrian coast is also possible.
The odds that anyone will actually get hurt are small.
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It is more likely than Malta staging an assault on Capri, or the Dardanelles being invaded by Bosnians,
So you think President Obama is way off base and wasting the American taxpayer's
money by sending his top US Intel official to Turkey to head off a clash?
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Of course, avoiding conflict between allies is always a good idea. The cost of sending diplomats is negligible, and has benefits even when not entirely necessary.
Why would I be against that?
It does not make Debkafiles accurate.
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Of course, avoiding conflict between allies is always a good idea. Why would I be against that?
LOL....I see you want it both ways.
On one hand you basically claim there is no chance of war....
Then you approve of Obama sending over his head guy trying prevent the conflict.
So which is it?
If there is no chance of a conflict then why the need to send his guy to diffuse what you claim wont happen?
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It shows that the US is concerned with the issue, of course, and therefore is a wise move.
Even though you just bought four new run-flat tires, that is not a reason to throw out the jack and the spare, is it?
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Even though you just bought four new run-flat tires, that is not a reason to throw out the jack and the spare, is it?
The whole point of run-flat tires is to allow you to reduce the vehicle weight by not carrying a jack and spare and therefore increase fuel economy. Why *wouldn't* you throw out the jack and spare?
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It shows that the US is concerned with the issue, of course, and therefore is a wise move.
so let me get this straight
Obama is so concerned about conflict outbreak he sends his top intel guy to Turkey
and that has your full approval....afterall "it's a wise move"
but when debka reports about the possibility of the conflict that Obama sent his man to
ah hell....well thats just non-sense and ridiculous!
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Turkish warships harass Israeli freighters.
Israeli missile boats off Cyprus
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
October 2, 2011, 11:10 AM (GMT+02:00)
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Israel F-15 warplanes react to Turkish harassment
Increasingly assertive Turkey is setting the scene for clashes in the eastern Mediterranean. Since Thursday, Sept. 29, Turkish warships have been harassing Israeli merchant vessels in waters off Cyprus, debkafile's military sources report. They come close enough to establish wireless communication and caution the Israeli vessels they are in contravention of international law and ordering them to change course. The Israeli crews mostly ignore these "orders", treating them as Ankara's latest bid to assert Turkish naval mastery of the Eastern Mediterranean. But the situation is getting explosive enough to spark a major incident.
Over the weekend, Israeli Air Force planes circled near the sites of the incidents but not directly over the Turkish vessels. At the same time Israeli missile ships sailed close to Cyprus's Exclusive Economic Zone waters, where the Houston-based Noble Energy began drilling for natural gas on Sept. 19 in the face of Turkish threats. The rig is situated 160 kilometers south of Cyprus adjacent to Israel's Leviathan gas field.
Western naval sources tracking the new Turkish and Israeli deployments reported Saturday, Oct. 1: "Turkey and Israel are in a constant muscle-flexing contest in the eastern Mediterranean. They are metaphorically shaking fists in each other's faces and raising the risk of a confrontation that could quickly veer out of control."
Last week, Ankara retaliated for Cypriot and Israeli deep sea gas explorations by sending an exploration ship of its own escorted by a frigate and a submarine to Cyprus. Ankara sources also disclosed that Turkish F-16 fighters had been deployed in the northern part of the island.
Voicing concern over Turkey's assertiveness, NATO secretary-general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Friday, Sept. 30, said: "Obviously, the tensions between Turkey and Israel are a matter of concern. It's a bilateral issue ? NATO is not going to interfere with that. But it is the interest of the alliance to see these tensions eased, because Turkey is a key ally and Israel is a valuable partner for the alliance."
The NATO Secretary contradicted Ankara's claim that Israel would not be allowed to open an office at alliance headquarters in Brussels. "NATO defense ministers agreed during the meeting in April that NATO partners can have offices? This includes all partners," he said.
Referring to concern about the tensions over natural gas exploration "between Turkey and Cyprus as well as Israel," Rasmussen said: "I urge all parties to find peaceful solutions to disputes through constructive dialogue." He said he did not expect armed clashes in the region. However, he suggested that Turkey has to be managed carefully as it asserts a growing role on the global stage.
Also Saturday, Cyprus President Dimitris Christofias had this message for Ankara: "I wish to underline to all those who attempt to question this right of the Republic of Cyprus: our sovereign rights are non-negotiable."
Five days ago, the prime ministers of Greece and Turkey, George Papandreou and Tayyip Erdogan talked by phone. And four days ago, Adm. James Stavridis, Commander of NATO forces in Europe, flew to Ankara directly from Israel for talks with Turkish leaders.
Turkish harassment of Israeli cargo vessels began after those interchanges, indicating that the Erdogan government has no intention of meeting exasperated US and NATO efforts to cool rising tensions in the eastern Mediterranean.
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Without going back and reading the 2 pages of this thread, I give a decisive NO - Turkey will not be going to war with anyone. They are posturing right now, and analysis are saying that Erdogan really has to take a defensive posture because of the mood of his nation... not because he has any serious intention of going to war with anyone. And that Israel understands that as well.
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In the Middle East, every country does a huge amount of truculent huffing and puffing, (which is what Debkafiles does for the Israelis), but that is all it is. There will be no war. No one will get hurt.
What does Israel have that Turkey wants or needs?
What does Turkey have that Israel could force them to give them?
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What does Turkey have that Israel could force them to give them?
Everything.
I think that Turky respects strength , not threats.
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In the Middle East, every country does a huge amount of truculent huffing and puffing,
There will be no war. No one will get hurt.
yeah there's been no wars or anyone get
hurt in the Middle East in the last few decades!
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