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Title: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Kramer on October 14, 2011, 12:20:40 PM

"As the faith that gave birth to the West is dying in the West, peoples of European descent from the steppes of Russia to the coast of California have begun to die out, as the Third World treks north to claim the estate. The last decade provided corroborating if not conclusive proof that we are in the Indian Summer of our civilization."

So begins Pat Buchanan in his hardcore work, SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER.

"Will America Survive to 2025?"

Buchanan, set for maximum controversy, launches all rockets at introduction "Disintegrating Nation" -- and does not let up for 400-plus pages.

"America is disintegrating. The centrifugal forces pulling us apart are growing inexorably. What unites us is dissolving. And this is true of Western Civilization....Meanwhile, the state is failing in its most fundamental duties. It is no longer able to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars."

The books reads as if its been written to be left behind in the ruins, only to be found by a future civilization.

SUICIDE ranked #2,668 on AMAZON's hit parade early Friday. It streets on Tuesday.

Now only the DRUDGE REPORT can offer a look inside.



Chapter 1: The Passing of a Superpower

“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”

Chapter 2. The End of Christian America

If [Christopher] Dawson is correct, the drive to de-Christianize America, to purge Christianity from the public square, public schools and public life, will prove culturally and socially suicidal for the nation.

“The last consequence of a dying Christianity is a dying people. Not one post-Christian nation has a birth rate sufficient to keep it alive....The death of European Christianity means the disappearance of the European tribe, a prospect visible in the demographic statistics of every Western nation.”

Chapter 3. The Crisis of Catholicism

“Half a century on, the disaster is manifest. The robust and confident Church of 1958 no longer exists. Catholic colleges and universities remain Catholic in name only. Parochial schools and high schools are closing as rapidly as they opened in the 1950s. The numbers of nuns, priests and seminarians have fallen dramatically. Mass attendance is a third of what it was. From the former Speaker of the House to the Vice President, Catholic politicians openly support abortion on demand.”

“How can Notre Dame credibly teach that all innocent life is sacred, and then honor a president committed to ensuring that a woman’s right to end the life of her innocent child remains sacrosanct?”

Chapter 4. The End of White America

“[W]hite America is an endangered species. By 2020, whites over 65 will out-number those 17 and under. Deaths will exceed births. The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear.”

“Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being over-turned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution -- to “insure domestic tranquility” and ‘make us a more perfect union’? Or have we imperiled our union?” (Page 134)

Chapter 5. Demographic Winter

“Peoples of European descent are not only in a relative but a real decline. They are aging, dying, disappearing. This is the existential crisis of the West.” (Page 166)

“Not any Iranian weapon of mass destruction but demography is the existential crisis Israel faces....By mid-century...Palestinians west of the Jordan river will out-number Jews 2-1. Add Palestinians in Jordan, it is 3-1.”

“In a startling development of history, Russia’s population has fallen from 148 million in 1991 to 140 million today and is projected to plunge to 116 million by 2050, a loss of 32 million Russians in six decades.”

Chapter 6. Equality Vs. Freedom

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words. At Howard University, LBJ changed the meaning of equality from the attainable -- an end to segregation and a legislated equality of rights for African-Americans -- to the impossible: a socialist utopia.”

“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“A time for truth. As most kids do not have the athletic ability to play high school sports, or the musical ability to play in the band, or the verbal ability to excel in debate, not every child has the academic ability to do high school work. No two children are created equal, not even identical twins. The family is the incubator of inequality and God its author.”

Chapter 7. The Diversity Cult

“The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality,” Wattenberg trilled.4 Yet, one wonders: What kind of man looks with transcendental joy to a day when the people among whom he was raised have become a minority in a nation where the majority rules?”

“Historians will look back in stupor at 20th and 21st century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.”

Chapter 8: The Triumph Of Tribalism

America’s war of revenge against Japan was a race war. Newsreels, movies, magazines, comic books, headlines treated “Japs” as a repulsive race whose extermination would benefit mankind....Only well after the war was over was it re-branded a war to bring the blessings of democracy to...Japan.

We may deny the existence of ethnonationalism, detest it, condemn it. But this creator and destroyer of empires and nations is a force infinitely more powerful than globalism, for it engages the heart. Men will die for it. Religion, race, culture and tribe are the four horsemen of the coming apocalypse.

Chapter 9. ‘The White Party’

“Through its support of mass immigration, its paralysis in power to prevent 12-20 million illegal aliens from entering and staying, its failure to address the “anchor-baby” issue, the Republican Party has birthed a new electorate that will send it the way of the Whigs.”

Chapter 10: The Long Retreat

“We borrow from Europe to defend Europe. We borrow from the Gulf states to defend the Gulf states. We borrow from Japan to defend Japan. Is it not a symptom of senility to be borrowing from the world so we can defend the world?”

“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

Chapter 11: The Last Chance

“We are trying to create a nation that has never before existed, of all the races, tribes, cultures and creeds of Earth, where all are equal. In this utopian drive for the perfect society of our dreams we are killing the real country we inherited -- the best and greatest country on earth.”
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 14, 2011, 12:49:17 PM
Like him or not, agree or disagree as you will, but Pat Buchanan goes deep.  I don't like all the racist stuff - - especially about Mexico - - the US stole a lot of land from Mexico and one way or another, the Mexicans are just taking it back - - but it sure as hell looks like an interesting read.   

The stuff about decline of the Christian religion and the RCC is pure BS - - the religion is based on one huge lie (the divinity of Christ) and is living proof that when a religion is based on a lie, a lot of killing, torture, mayhem, distortion and lying has to follow to keep it all together.  Not to mention a lot of sexual perversion.

In general, I have the same problem with Buchanan that I do with a lot of the conservatives in this group - - their inability to see the facts as they really are (e.g., Buchanan's view of America "defending" the world, whereas most impartial observers would see it as an attempt to dominate the world, by any means necessary) and their automatic denunciation of any change as catastrophic.  Still and all, it does look like an interesting read.   I'll get this at the library, though, because it's more likely than not that part-way into the book, I'll just throw it aside in disgust.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on October 14, 2011, 01:03:07 PM
Kramer.....Pat is hitting the nail right on the head!

Must buy book!...I am buying it this weekend!

Love so many quotes already.. this one really is a slam dunk!

"We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer's expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free."
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: kimba1 on October 14, 2011, 01:07:53 PM
didn`t america hate the catholics.not a big hate but alittle one which only one state was allow to practice that religion.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 14, 2011, 01:45:33 PM
There have been Catholics worshipping as Catholics in every state of the Union since the country was founded. When the colonies were first established, some were set up for specific dissident English sects: the Puritans in Massachusetts, the Quakers in Pennsylvania, and eventually, the Catholics in Maryland. Eventually the Church of England got the upper hand in Maryland, and it actually managed to become the official religion for a while. But but the time of independence, there was l official discrimination against various Christian sects, though there were some laws we might consider anti-Jewish in a few places.
 
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Religious Dick on October 15, 2011, 04:16:17 AM
?The Gods of the Copybook Headings,? by Rudyard Kipling

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 15, 2011, 08:11:41 PM
Thanks, RD!!!  Great poem.  One of Kipling's best.

Best fucking line in the whole poem for the triple (actually, 3.5) alliteration:

And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the fire.

The triple alliteration: burnt Fool's  -  bandaged finger  -  back to the fire.
And the extra half:      wabbling back

Brilliant line, IMHO.  I got most of my Kipling from my dad, who knew it by heart, but this one I found in an anthology.

It's too bad but I don't think too many people today know what a copy book was, let alone a copy book heading.  I'm still wondering if the schools did the right thing by getting rid of them, but I'm sure they had their reasons.  Pedagogy is a science, and I'm not privy to its secrets.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 16, 2011, 01:03:48 PM
Kipling won a Nobel prize, but he was clearly a racist, and due to his political incorrectness, he has been discounted by modern critics, and his technical ability has not been noticed, since he just is not read anymore.

There was a PBS special which dealt with the death of Kipling's son Jack in WWI. His body was never found. None of Kipling's children had children, and none of his descendents are alive today.

So Kipling was a tragic figure in the classic sense: he preached militarism and the glories of war, and so his son enlisted and was killed at the age of 18.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 16, 2011, 01:53:47 PM
Doubly tragic, if you want to look at it that way, because when an individual and all his descendants (if any) are dead, it's called "genetic death," since all of that genotype is lost to the gene pool.  Of course, it's not entirely accurate, because genes passed on to collateral lines from his parents, grand-parents, great-grandparents, etc., could still be in existence, but if you consider his genotype to be the genes he inherited as randomly mutated over time in his body, then it would probably be unique at the time of reproduction and a true genetic death would ensue when the last of the line dies out.

The tragedy therein is that in addition to militarism and imperialism, Kipling also extolled a very pure form of Darwinism in some of his poems, most notably The Law of the Yukon, including the line, "This is the Law of the Yukon, that only the strong shall thrive, that surely the weak will perish, and none but the fit survive."  By that Darwinian law, Kipling, by dying a genetic death, was among the weak, while the strong around him and his descendants survived and throve.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 16, 2011, 02:43:51 PM
So we could say that Kipling's decisions to glorify war, and possibly his decision to not have lots more children than he did doomed his line to extinction.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 16, 2011, 04:47:27 PM
Doomed by the very gods that he worshiped.  And how tragic is that?  Anyone?  Ivan Ivanovich?
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 16, 2011, 05:34:57 PM
I was simply mentioning that Rudyard Kipling fit the description of a classical tragic figure, like Oedipus or Antigone.

Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Plane on October 16, 2011, 08:36:34 PM
  It is not necessacerily true in evolutionary terms that the strong survive.

    What survives is the well adapted , when strength is a great advantage it is the strong that survive.

      In times of plenty is the rapidly reproduceing who survive.

       In times of dearth it is often the small and efficient who survive.

      And of course sometimes you want to be faster than the strong.

       Human beings like to congradulate ourselves on the strength born of our intelligence, but what are we doing to maximise or even preserve this "strength"?

      Anybody got figures on the reproductive success common to Mensa members vs general population?
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 16, 2011, 08:45:07 PM
<< It is not necessacerily true in evolutionary terms that the strong survive.>>

Of course not, which is why I was careful to stipulate that Kipling preached Darwinism rather than evolutionary theory  and a very pure form of Darwinism at that. On the Origin of Species came out about 150 years ago, and since that time, Darwin's theory has, well, . . .  evolved.

In its original form the theory concentrated on survival of the fittest, and on the idea that the strongest and toughest was the "fittest."  Over time, science came to realize that factors other than strength played a role in the survival of a species, factors such as adaptability to change, fecundity, et al.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 16, 2011, 08:54:52 PM
<<I was simply mentioning that Rudyard Kipling fit the description of a classical tragic figure, like Oedipus or Antigone.>>

I was just kidding around about tragedy, but now I am starting to take it a little more seriously, and from what I can remember of the theory, there has to be some kind of tragic flaw in an otherwise heroic and magnificent figure that leads to his downfall AND the downfall has to be such a catastrophic reversal of fortune that it leaves us with feelings of awe and wonder.  (IIRC, the "awe and wonder" requirement came from the writings of a 19th century Shakespearean scholar named Bradley(that being his surname,) whose theories still formed the basis of the teaching of Shakespeare well past the mid-point of the 20th Century.

Neither of these requirements seem to fit Kipling's case, which IMHO might better be characterized as irony.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 16, 2011, 11:39:55 PM
Kipling was a member of the upper classes, even though he was a long ways from being a royal. And his tragic flaw was his feeling of British imperial superiority.

Nixon was also a tragic figure, as was Evita Peron.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 16, 2011, 11:46:34 PM
So what about the "awe and wonder" that should have attended Kipling's "genetic death?"  IMHO, it was non-existent.  Do you agree that there was no awe and wonder associated with Kipling's downfall, or do you think that there's no real requirement for "awe and wonder" as a necessary condition of tragedy?
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 17, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
I agree that there was no "awe and wonder". I am thinking that in our times, "awe and wonder" are increasingly rare.

There was a huge amount of "awe and wonder" shown in the films Independence Day, the last War of the Worlds film and even the final scenes of Howard the Duck. But no one much wonders or is awed anymore. Special FX has made the most wondrous and awe-inspiring scenes mundane.

I remember being scared sh!tless by huge rubberoid Japanese monsters in old Sci-Fi flicks. The ants in the original film "The Thing" terrified me. Now I just laugh to think that I found these scenes even remotely scary.

By the way, if you do not mind subtitled films, here is an excellent one El secreto de sus ojos. The Secrets in their Eyes. Juan Jose Campanella is as meticulous a director as Polansky at his best, and this is a murder mystery that will keep you guessing until the very end.
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Michael Tee on October 17, 2011, 01:14:21 PM
We live in a skeptical age.  I guess there are no classical heroes any more, so there can't be any more "awe and wonder" either at the stature of the hero or at the depth of his fall.  We still can have some heroes, like "Sully" Sullenberger, who landed his plane on the ice of the Hudson River and walked through it twice as it was sinking to ensure that there were no passengers left behind, or Lt. Hugh Thompson Jr. of the My Lai massacre, who forced murdering US troops back at gun-point.

I grew up in an age of heroes - - Winston Churchill, FDR, MacArthur; I can still recall, as a pre-teen, crying my heart out, listening on the radio to MacArthur's farewell speech.  (My excuse is, I didn't know any better at the time.)  The great heroes are all dead, except for Fidel Castro, and I'm afraid he won't be around much longer either.

But I guess if the "awe and wonder" go, then the tragedy goes too.  Or just lives on in a diminished form.  On a spectrum ranging from "it's too bad" to "tragic," we've been dialed back to the "too bad" end of the scale.  Or, coming back to Kipling, isn't it really more of an irony than a tragedy?
Title: Re: Suicide of a Super Power, Pat Buchanan
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 17, 2011, 05:04:10 PM
Evita Peron could not become pregnant. As a result, she managed to sleep around and all the way up to the Casa Rosada. As it turned out, the same ovary problem resulted in the cancer that killed her at a rather young age. So I have always considered Evita to be a true tragic figure.

Nixon was insecure, and always looking for a way to grab an advantage over those he thought were socially superior to him, who would obviously include JFK, who was from a rich Boston family rather than a middle class bunch from some podunk California place like Yorba Linda. Hie insecurity caused him to hire the Watergate burglars, even though he would have win the election without any of their shenanigans, and that was what got him impeached. Another tragic figure.

Clinton's obsession with nookie almost made a tragic figure of him, but it seems that he surpassed it, and is not a tragic figure at all.
Napoleon the short Corsican who sought fame among taller Frenchmen could be a tragic figure.

Now I am wondering how about Herr Adolf, whose poor Austrian roots and rejection as a painter caused him to become the most successful anti-Semite of all time. And of course, that brought about his doom as well. I realize that few historic figures are as loathsome as Hitler, but can we consider him as a candidate for tragic figure as well? Hie downfall was the most dramatic of all those I have mentioned.

Would we have been better off had Herr Adolf won the prize at that artistic exposition? I think Vonnegut wrote about this...