DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BT on November 05, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
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I wouldn't call it a debate, i would call it a very informative discussion.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
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That's exactly what this type of event is. A discussion...
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This was a very refreshing discussion. I could see Newt now take the second spot in polling and Romney drop to third. A Cain/Newt ticket sits very well with me. And so does a Romney/Christie ticket. I guess it depends how much change people are looking for.
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This was a very refreshing discussion. I could see Newt now take the second spot in polling and Romney drop to third. A Cain/Newt ticket sits very well with me. And so does a Romney/Christie ticket. I guess it depends how much change people are looking for.
Cain/Newt or Newt/Cain
Ultimately
Any Repub over Obama
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Fickle Kramer: first Palin, then Trump, then Bachmann, then Perry and Cain, and now Gingrich.
And of course any candidate who changes his mind will be called a "flip flopper".
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We have many good candidates. I am fine with any of them as well.
You supported Kucinich, then Hillary, then Obama. Are you a hypocrite?
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I am not a flip flopper. I do not criticize any candidate for changing his mind for a logical motive. In the case you mentioned, I was simply voting for the candidate that best mirrored my views. I realize that it is silly to write in the name of a candidate that is not actually running and cannot win because of a loss in the primaries.
In the case of Kramer's being so fickle there seems to be no logical or pragmatic reason. It is like he fancies the person who screams the loudest.
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Cain/Gingrich in 2012?
Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich were on stage together in what was billed as a classic Lincoln-Douglas style debate. As I sat and watched the entire event, I came away with one vivid impression: Did I just finish watching the Republican presidential ticket in 2012? Cain/Gingrich? Don?t laugh. It could happen. Romney has a ceiling of support and Rick Perry seems stuck in neutral.
Herman Cain?s poll numbers continue to impress and like Ronald Reagan, he seems to have a Teflon quality to him. [Yep, this is true. -R.R.] Gingrich is steadily rising in the polls due to the fact that voters are starting to realize that this guy is REALLY smart and is an idea factory. Could this be a ticket that provides both style and substance?
First of all, let?s start with this: They both respect each other and genuinely have a heartfelt friendship. Plus, for those voters concerned with Cain?s policy chops bringing on Gingrich could placate some wary voters. When I watched them on stage together Saturday night you could tell that Cain would LOVE to have Gingrich as his VP candidate. He even gave a big hint when he asked Gingrich the following question:
Herman Cain to Newt Gingrich: ?If you were Vice President of the United States, what would you want the President to assign you to do first? (Gingrich then began to laugh heartily)
Both of these men have triggered something inside the hearts of voters. They both strike a chord when they go after the liberal media but it?s much more than that. Voters seem attracted to Newt for various reasons including his bluntness and a capacity to offer big ideas to solve big problems. Every event I go to people seem to gravitate to him because he is coming across as a serious candidate for a serious time in America. As for Herman Cain, people simply like him and his no-nonsense approach. The more they hear him the more they are starting to realize that while he doesn?t have the policy wonkish knowledge of Gingrich they do seem to believe he has good judgment and the ability to surround himself with the smartest people around.
Maybe Cain and Gingrich should take their Lincoln-Douglas style debates on the road. Make it a bi-weekly road show. Should they look into printing 2012 General Election signage too?
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/11/05/caingingrich-in-2012.aspx (http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/11/05/caingingrich-in-2012.aspx)
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If they don't win the office , they could still hoast a pretty good talk show.
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They are the Tea Party's answer to Cheech and Chong, quite clearly. What Cheech and Chong are to pot, they are to sexual harrassment and philandering.
Less funny, less substantative, but perhaps a potential lecher affinity group.
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Who did Newt philander on and when?
What did Cain say that was sexual harassment and to whom?
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Newt philandered on wife No.1 and Wife no 2. You can look up the dates.
Whatever Cain did, the NRA paid $80,000 to keep it out of the press, then they fired his lecherous ass.
There are 300 million people in this country. We can do better than either one of these turkeys. If Newt is so damn smart, let Romney hire him as an adviser. He is unemployed and surely available. But he is very, very annoying. There is a reason the GOP canned him, just like there is a reason the NRA canned Cain.
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Newt philandered on wife No.1 and Wife no 2. You can look up the dates.
Proof?
Whatever Cain did
You said he committed sexual harrassment. What exactly did he say?
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Look it up. Do your homework. Both these guys are lechers in the public's mind now. It is not a court of law.
I don't vote in Republican primaries. I would not vote for either of their sorry asses even if they were not lechers.
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Look it up. Do your homework.
You made an accusation and you have to back it up. If not, it's not true.
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I am not the one to decide this, the public will decide. I am not the judge.
This thing will fester and stink to high heaven and Cain is doomed unless he comes clean.
I am only offering my opinion. I can say what I like and you cannot stop me. None of you lumpenproletarians would believe me if I showed you photos of Cain buggering an Airedale, anyway. I really do not care whether you believe me or not. It is what it is and the end will not be pretty.
By 2014 Cain will be sitting in his Barcalounger talking to the tube and by 2020 he will be forgotten, if he lasts that long. He had cancer, remember? What are the actuarial statistics on such people? five years? Two years?
Watch and see Cain plummet.
The guy with the black hat is pretty much always the villain. He chose the hat, now let him show us he is not a villain.
It is not a court of law. It is a court of public opinion and I have been watching it work for fifty years.
Go on, believe that he will be the best president ever. Believe Tinkerbelle can fly. Get your eyes and squinty and BELIEVE REALLY HARD.
I don't believe.
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Cain is teflon. His numbers improved after this smear campaign by the media.
You offer no proof of sexual harassment. Your opinion is not based on fact, but on an alternate reality that you wished was true, but is not. I asked you what he said and to who, and you couldn't answer. You are talking out of your ass. Telling a woman that she is the same height as his wife is not sexual harassment. And it never will be, even in your demented, little mind.
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It is far, far more than telling some woman that she is the same height as your wife.
Do you seriously think that any association would pay $45,000 for that? If so, you are naive enough to send me $500 just to keep me from telling the world that you are ugly.
Suppose that Cain actually gets the nomination and refuses to address this: Now it is not Teflon, it is velcro.
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Poor misunderstood Cain.
How they mistreat him.
After all, it's just his word against hers,
And hers,
AND hers.
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Poor misunderstood Cain.
How they mistreat him.
After all, it's just his word against hers,
And hers,
AND hers.
still you have no name, no when, no what and no where. Now I know why you were suckered into voting for Obama. You are a flawed individual.
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Never as incredibly and unspeakable flawed as you.
three women and $80 grand says there is a lot more to Cain's lechery than he has admitted to.
Eventually, as Tee said, it all comes down to someone like Larry Flynt putting up the money to get the truth out.
Cain cannot get the toothpaste back in the tube. Time for you to back the chubby Newtster.
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Never as incredibly and unspeakable flawed as you.
three women and $80 grand says there is a lot more to Cain's lechery than he has admitted to.
Eventually, as Tee said, it all comes down to someone like Larry Flynt putting up the money to get the truth out.
Cain cannot get the toothpaste back in the tube. Time for you to back the chubby Newtster.
I back any Repub over Obama. I could care less what race, religion or gender.
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I back any Repub over Obama.
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I am sure that that this is true. Just like Ignatz the Mouse always threw a brick at Krazy Kat, and Krazy always saw it as an expression of love. Then Ossifer Pup always arrested Ignatz for assault and battery and put him in the Coconino County Jail.
Henny Youngman said "Take my wife! No, REALLY take her!"
Comedy routines can be eternal.
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Newt philandered on wife No.1 and Wife no 2. You can look up the dates.
Proof?
I think Newt has admitted this.
Whatever Cain did
You said he committed sexual harrassment. What exactly did he say?
There is no evidence , nor have the specific accusations been made public.
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Evidence is not necessary, because this is not a criminal or a civil case. It will be decided by the voters and the voters alone, based on whatever information is available at that time.
You can tell me that I cannot convict Cain: this is true. I cannot absolve him, either, nor can anyone. Each voter in the GOP primaries will decide,and collectively Cain will win or lose.
All I am saying is that my opinion is that he will lose, because based on other similar incidents, those who stonewall tend to lose. One day they say that they are 1000% firm and unyielding in their position, the next day they collapse and resign. Trent Lott did this, the Newtster did this, Agnew did this, Nixon did this. Cain is quite likely to do the same thing. If not, he will simply lose a primary or two and withdraw, and since he is already 65, he will retire of perhaps go back to giving motivational speeches and we will not hear from him again.
Cain is the one who must prove his innocence, because, again, this is the court of public opinion, not a court of law and different rules apply.
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Provable innocence?
This cannot be the standard.
Anyone can make a false accusation and in presidential politics there are many with motive and little to loose.
Imagine your favoriate canadate is accused of molesting underage hens on the poltry farm, no proof is offered but since your canadate can't prove he was not there will we have to assume that he was ? Must we assume all acusation true untill proven otherwise?
Can you tell me with certainty and with proof where you were this date two years ago?
Do you have an alibi concurrent with every robbery that had occured in your sector of your state for the last year?
Would you require proof of innocence from a Social liberal?
Would you require proof of innocence from a white man?
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All I am saying is that the public, or in this case, the voters in Iowa and NH will decide by voting for Cain or voting for someone they consider preferable. Innocence is not the goal here. No real crime has been committed. The only penalty is that Cain might not become the nominee or the president. Neither will I or you of any of us. This is not about justice, but selecting a capable leader.
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All I am saying is that the public, or in this case, the voters in Iowa and NH will decide by voting for Cain or voting for someone they consider preferable. Innocence is not the goal here. No real crime has been committed. The only penalty is that Cain might not become the nominee or the president. Neither will I or you of any of us. This is not about justice, but selecting a capable leader.
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Then the potential for crime is great.
We might be denied the leader we need and want by the efforts of false witnesses.
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WE are surely deprived of many more capable leaders by a lack of funding than false accusations. Colin Powell was one example of this. I hardly think that Cain is the capable leader we need. As I have said, he seems to me to be a blowhard and a crackpot. If Bialek were the only woman to come forward, perhaps it would be just his word against hers.But it is not: it is his word against hers, and hers and hers and hers.
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If liars were rare , then finding four would be amazing.
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Evidence is not necessary, because this is not a criminal or a civil case. It will be decided by the voters and the voters alone, based on whatever information is available at that time.
You can tell me that I cannot convict Cain: this is true. I cannot absolve him, either, nor can anyone. Each voter in the GOP primaries will decide,and collectively Cain will win or lose.
All I am saying is that my opinion is that he will lose, because based on other similar incidents, those who stonewall tend to lose.
I think Clinton served 2 terms as President of the U.S., if I'm not mistaken
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Evidence is not necessary, because this is not a criminal or a civil case. It will be decided by the voters and the voters alone, based on whatever information is available at that time.
You can tell me that I cannot convict Cain: this is true. I cannot absolve him, either, nor can anyone. Each voter in the GOP primaries will decide,and collectively Cain will win or lose.
All I am saying is that my opinion is that he will lose, because based on other similar incidents, those who stonewall tend to lose.
I think Clinton served 2 terms as President of the U.S., if I'm not mistaken
Yes , but this might explain why he never got more than 50% of the vote.
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Very possible