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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BT on November 07, 2011, 05:08:26 PM
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in the face of these ongoing allegations of sexual harassment/sexual assaults.
Pick a side state your case
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I have seen nothing of substance from any of the accusers.
The bitch that just came forward today had nothing.
Let me see here:
1. Her word against his
2. Cain wasn't even her boss, manager, or employer so worse case scenario is he made a play she rejected him and he backed off. All her words, he made a play, she rejected his move, he returned to her to the hotel. Then she says she was too embarrassed to tell her friends about the details yet she goes on national TV and tells us the so-called details that were embarrassing anyway.
3. Gloria Allred means TV time for her and her client.
4. A money move on the bitches part and 15 minutes of fame.
Lastly, what ever happened to the wetback housekeeper in California (Gloria's client yet again) that torpedoed the Gov Race last year?
Seems like Gloria Allred, a liberal, seems to be in the business of inserting herself into the election process.
So no thanks, I'm not buying any of this.
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if the count is at 4 already & they seem credible I'd say he should withdraw
but we have not heard much from any of them...have we?
again...I hope nobody withdraws
because then the leftist/anti-american media cant just focus on one target
i'd rather have ten running at the machine-gun than just one
with that said i dont think Cain ever had a real chance
i love him....but it wasnt gonna happen imo
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Gloria Allred To Hold Friar's Club Press Event With Fourth Herman Cain Accuser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWCGUBfo__M#)
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if the count is at 4 already & they seem credible I'd say he should withdraw
but we have not heard much from any of them...have we?
again...I hope nobody withdraws
because then the leftist/anti-american media cant just focus on one target
i'd rather have ten running at the machine-gun than just one
with that said i dont think Cain ever had a real chance
i love him....but it wasnt gonna happen imo
I was visiting San Francisco in 1982 and Obama was there too. He was sitting next to me on the BART and all of a sudden I felt a hand on my crotch. I looked down and it was a black hand, my eyes followed the hand up to the mans face and to my dismay it was Barack Obama. I kept that story to myself all these years but now I feel like it's the right time to tell the truth and tell the world what happend.
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Seems like Gloria Allred, a liberal, seems to be in the
business of inserting herself into the election process
just curious did Gloria AllRedCommi race to
do TV press conferences or assist women in
the Anthony Weeny case or the Bill Clinton cases?
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSxX9zvA0KLU4ulSBQdfoTmQ-StkHL-uyLF-O2HgU3FPzHYpjK)
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Is her name BuyLick?
I wonder if Cain got confused and thought she was a whore for rent. She dresses like one and sure looks like one.
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Allred represented the Ginger Lee who was the pornstar Wiener tweeted with.
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I'm going to be very consistent on this matter, compared to the hypocrits that find every rationalization technique in trying to excuse the far more egregious acts, by their king Clinton, President of the U.S. for 2 terms
He said she said, is currently where we are at. Of course, its to be referred to as she said x4 to he says x1. In the prior 3, we have allegations, with a completely consistent out of court settlement, that Cain never even signed. Easily explained by the NRA's investigation and bean counting as it relates to what was the cheapest route to take, compared to going to court
Now we have an actual name and an actual charge with decription. A charge that would be FAR more credible had it been placed immediately after it happened. So much so, if it occured, as described, could have brought criminal charges
The timing and the presence of Gloria Alread, who is on record as calling various conservative blacks "Uncle Tom-like" herself, places a huge stench of incredibility to the whole media witch hunt (lets all ignore what's going on with Solyndra, Fast & Furtions, Fannie & Freddie seeking more tax dollars, Greece crumbling, and taking the global economy with it...no, let's dogpile on a credible Conservative Black American Presidential nominee, and alledged inappropriate gestures, 24/7, that occured .... during the Clinton's term??
That said, IF, these allegations are true, he should step down & withdraw. I demanded it from Clinton, and I'm sure as hell not going to play the hypocrtical leftist and claim that well, men do men things, she should have known, yada, blah, etc., so just leave him be, so he can get back to the work for the american people
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I say, let Cain stay in the race. It will be more amusing that way.
For him to drop out now would be like walking out of the Rockey Horror Picture Show at the start of the last reel.
We need closure. It is just his word against hers and hers and hers and (ahem) hers.
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I say, let Cain stay in the race. It will be more amusing that way.
For him to drop out now would be like walking out of the Rockey Horror Picture Show at the start of the last reel.
We need closure. It is just his word against hers and hers and hers and (ahem) hers.
Not nearly as amusing as when Clinton got impeached.
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Speak for yourself.
It would be far more amusing for me.
Time for you to flipflop over to the Gingrich side of the Force, Kramer.
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Speak for yourself.
It would be far more amusing for me.
Time for you to flipflop over to the Gingrich side of the Force, Kramer.
I laughed pretty hard when John Edwards got convicted!
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I am afraid to say....but Cain is now TOAST.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ciY4E5hpBXU/TrQsU42DZ7I/AAAAAAAABD4/GRFOjAukbO4/s400/HERMAN%2BCAIN%2BTOAST.jpg)
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Speak for yourself.
It would be far more amusing for me.
Time for you to flipflop over to the Gingrich side of the Force, Kramer.
Any Repub against Obama suits me fine.
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In the immortal words of Spanky and Buckwheat, Nyah, Nyah.
Keep in mind that I told you all, "butter him up, he's toast" yesterday.
But I wanna see this play out. I wanna see how this affects the votes among the Republicans and the 'baggers.
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I wanna see how this affects the votes among the Republicans and the 'baggers.
In the famous words of Aerosmith.....DREAM ON!
Everybody gonna rally to get this disgraceful failure outta office.
(http://www.byebyeobamaclock.com/pics/frnt.png)
http://www.byebyeobamaclock.com/ (http://www.byebyeobamaclock.com/)
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i might add...i think Trump sometimes would like to jump back in the race
this may or may not be the time
i doubt he will now....but ya never know
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Cain was toast from the moment he entered the race no matter what they dug up, or didn't dig up, on him.
BSB
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people are tired of the ApologizerInChief
Mitt Romney 2012 Campaign Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AMgycOWoU#)
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Lest i suffers the arrows of CU for failing to take a side, let me do so now.
I don't think he should withdraw from the race based on what we know as of the press conference this afternoon.
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Lest i suffers the arrows of CU for failing to take a side, let me do so now.
I don't think he should withdraw from the race based on what we know as of the press conference this afternoon.
Interesting that the bitch is from Chicago too.
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Lest i suffers the arrows of CU for failing to take a side, let me do so now.
alright BT behave yourself!
in my mind the problem Cain has is....that this is the 4th woman
And I believe there already exists a sealed agreement regarding sex harrassment with someone else
so like I tell employees when we get a complaint on them
ok one is lying
ok two are lying
ok three people that have zero connection are lying about you
4th time....4 people lying?....I dont think so.....you're fired.
so thats the problem Cain has
are they all lying?
maybe
but i think the damage is done with 4 sex harrass complaints
i think it creates enough doubt in enough people to be a problem for him
i dont think he could even be VP now
i really, really like his political positions
i hope this is all not true...
i wouldnt put it past the Chicago Mafia to try and ruin the man
it does seems like he'd make a great President
but it's not gonna happen with these kinds of charges coming out
and who knows....soon there could be more
i predict Cain's outta the race before the end of the month
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The problem with this latest complaint is we are not talking about sexual harassment. We are talking about sexual assault, if the advances were not wanted. And if it happened the way she said it did, why did she not file a complaint with the police at that time.
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Precisely my point. The timing of this, with Allred leading this mob, really stinks up any credibility that the accuser may have had
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BT....i dont want to come off sounding like I believe her
because I dont know....how could I
But what woman is going to call the police because
a man reaches up behind her dress and squeezes her ass?
answer.....very few
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LOL. Not only is the bitch from Chicago, but she's blonde and with big hair as well!
I have a very credible explanation for her coming forward at this point in time, but in this forum of True Believers, nobody is gonna believe it, but here goes anyway:
Squeezing ass isn't that big a deal between adults and I don't think it's a big enough deal to bring in the cops and ruin a guy's life just because he couldn't control himself. So she didn't call in the cops at the time. Only a real bitch would ruin a guy's life over something that trivial, even if the guy shoulda known better.
Fast-forward to present day. She just got mad that women who she knew were telling the truth were being vilified as whores and bitches and felt that she had to step in and put a stop to Cain's lies about them. End of story.
I'm pretty sure other women will step forward in the coming weeks. But it wouldn't matter to the die-hards in this group. A hundred women, every one of them registered Republicans, could step forward, wouldn't make a God-damned bit of difference. Why this irrational faith in Cain, he could never harass anyone etc., I can only explain by blind partisanship, but at this point it's purely academic. He's dead in the water. Toast. Just as well - - he's a liar and a sleaze.
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If these are false accusations , then the possibility of a conflict in the accusers stories could make Herman a shoo in when the "lynching " conspiracy is revealed.
If these are true accusations, then Herman should spare us the valuable time and withdraw, if he is guilty then not only does he know it , but he ought to know that proof can pop up unexpectedly.
If nothing new shows up then I would stick to the presumption of innocence, the number of accusers notwithstanding. These are high stakes , for conspirators attempting a coup the gathering together of any number of liars is a small challenge.
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Latest Herman Cain accuser Sharon Bialek is a Republican who registered
to vote in Chicago in 2006 and voted in the 2008 Republican primary and
the 2008 general election.
http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/11/07/exclusive-source-confirms-latest-accuser-attended-teacon-2011-where-herman-cain-was-featured-speaker/ (http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/11/07/exclusive-source-confirms-latest-accuser-attended-teacon-2011-where-herman-cain-was-featured-speaker/)
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LOL. Not only is the bitch from Chicago, but she's blonde and with big hair as well!
I have a very credible explanation for her coming forward at this point in time, but in this forum of True Believers, nobody is gonna believe it, but here goes anyway:
Squeezing ass isn't that big a deal between adults and I don't think it's a big enough deal to bring in the cops and ruin a guy's life just because he couldn't control himself. So she didn't call in the cops at the time. Only a real bitch would ruin a guy's life over something that trivial, even if the guy shoulda known better.
Fast-forward to present day. She just got mad that women who she knew were telling the truth were being vilified as whores and bitches and felt that she had to step in and put a stop to Cain's lies about them. End of story.
I'm pretty sure other women will step forward in the coming weeks. But it wouldn't matter to the die-hards in this group. A hundred women, every one of them registered Republicans, could step forward, wouldn't make a God-damned bit of difference. Why this irrational faith in Cain, he could never harass anyone etc., I can only explain by blind partisanship, but at this point it's purely academic. He's dead in the water. Toast. Just as well - - he's a liar and a sleaze.
Yhis is very simular indeed to the situation of Bill Clinton, before all that proof showed up.
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BT....i dont want to come off sounding like I believe her
because I dont know....how could I
But what woman is going to call the police because
a man reaches up behind her dress and squeezes her ass?
answer.....very few
He didn't tickle her ass. He shoved his hand up her skirt to play with the cat if you get my drift.
At the same time he pushed her head towards his crotch so she could have better access to that what lays behind the zipper.
According to her testimony, she immediately told her boyfriend what had happened. Maybe it is different in the south but if some guy did that to my girlfriend, there would be a confrontation of some sort at the first opportunity.
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this is just something i came across...not sure if relevant:
https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/Finddock.asp?DocketKey=CAAJ0MB0BFIICG0MD
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<<These are high stakes , for conspirators attempting a coup the gathering together of any number of liars is a small challenge.>>
LOL. The "conspirators" would have to be very far-sighted, they'd not only need to find four lying whores, get all of them on the NRA payroll, get three of them to come forward when Cain was a nobody and leave the fourth as a "sleeper" agent kept in reserve for the day when Cain would become a serious contender.
OK, plane, you're welcome to your "conspiracy theories," I'm gonna stick with the much more believable story, one that happens every day, a corporate officer is a horndog, a serial sexual predator who preys on female employees and gets nailed for it when some of the victims show enough courage to come forward.
If for some bizarre reason you find my explanation a little hard to swallow, I gotta say that I found yours straight out of Looney Toons.
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Wow, well done, CU4.
Illinois Lending will make loans to people without credit checks!
http://www.illinoislendingcorp.com/ (http://www.illinoislendingcorp.com/)
i.e., they are like loan sharks, lending to those least able to repay. Sharon obviously took out a loan and like millions of other single American mothers, she was sued by the motherfucking bloodsuckers in September of 2009 and the case wound its way through the courts till sometime this year. The last entry seems to indicate that their case was thrown out of court, but maybe not. If thrown out does that mean that Sharon somehow got the money to pay off the bloodsuckers and if so where? Or was the case tossed because the bloodsuckers somehow fucked up on a technicality? or worse? Or was the case never tossed, but maybe it was some kind of motion by Sharon that got tossed.
Anyway, I understand that you're a process server, CU4. If you or one of your attorney clients can make sense of this, I'm sure it would be very interesting.
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I am not so prejusticed and eager to believer steriotypes.
This could be true , after all extremely simular accusations against Bill Clinton turned out to be true , he even got to be called the first black president because he fit the steriotype .
Meanwhile you can just put your rope away, this decision is not yet made.
These accusers were given a lot of money and that by itself could be plenty of motive.
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she was sued by the motherfucking bloodsuckers in September of 2009
good grief Michael do adults have zero responsibility when they sign for loans?
is it always the poor baby's fault that is a frickin idiot to sign shit like this?
if you're paying 28% on your credit card...you're the friggin moron, not the credit card company!
Anyway, I understand that you're a process server, CU4.
If you or one of your attorney clients can make sense of this, I'm sure it would be very interesting.
Michael I have never served a paper in my life....I did attend the class several years ago...
but process serving (now nationwide) has been a great & near life-saving diversification for the business.
I will have one of the guys take a look at it.
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If for some bizarre reason you find my explanation a little hard to swallow, I gotta say that I found yours straight out of Looney Toons.
You think conspiracy never happens?
Perhaps this is not a conspiracy , but I did see Gloria Alread standing there.
Conspirators would not need to be forsighted, they would only need to scour the past untill they found something that could be exaggerated , exploited.
Still I have about the same level of proof that this is a conspiracy , as these accusers have that anything ever happened.
So I need not depend on it.
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plane, YOU were the guy who raised the conspiracy allegation, I was just responding to it.
However, we now have FOUR women formerly on the NRA payroll who have come forward and said (three of them) that Cain sexually harassed them and (one, Sharon) that Cain sexually assaulted her.
One of the anonymous ones was represented by Joel P. Bennett, a prominent DC employment lawyer, so we can't put all this down to Gloria Alred. Unless you think Joel was part of the same liberal conspiracy, he running one of the two original plants and Gloria running the "sleeper?"
plane, your theories are so fucking crazy that I gotta be crazy to deal with them separately, so I'm going to drop any further analysis of this BS. I just wanted to ask you two simple questions:
1. Why are you so firm in finding ANY theory more credible than the simplest one, that the old Hermster is a horn dog and a perv? Do you think the guy is a hermaphrodite or some kind of asexual being with zero interest in the fair sex and so it would be utterly impossible to even consider the idea that he might have, uh, strayed from the path of righteousness? and
2. Can you think of ANY number of accusers who might finally cause you to stop and think, well they can't ALL be lying evil money-driven whores? I mean OK, I see that FOUR accusers from the same employer don't mean jack-shit to you, presumably it's child's play to find four evil lying money-driven whores on any employer's payroll, what if there were six? or eight? What if it were every single woman on the NRA payroll under the age of sixty? ANY number at all? Inquiring minds need to know.
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These accusers were given a lot of money and that by itself could be plenty of motive.
Plane do you have a source showing the 4 accusers of Herman Cain "were given a lot of money"?
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the first two out the gate had settlements of 35 and 45k respectively. The third one i don't believe had a payday. The 4th hasn't had her paydays yet, but she is scheduled for two morning shows tomorrow. Which i am surprised Allred allowed because of the danger of changing stories.
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ya know BT after re-reading Plane's post maybe he was referring to the Clinton accusers making lots of money and that being an incentive for the Cain accusers?
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These accusers were given a lot of money and that by itself could be plenty of motive.
Plane do you have a source showing the 4 accusers of Herman Cain "were given a lot of money"?
Yes you.
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the first two out the gate had settlements of 35 and 45k respectively.
So two women that accused Hermain Cain of sexual mis-conduct have already been
paid tens of thousands of dollars, and two more women thus far have also come forward
complaining of Herman Cain sexual mis-conduct...and this guy can still get elected?
Come on guys....we love his politics.....but like I said earlier....this guy is toast!
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plane, YOU were the guy who raised the conspiracy allegation, I was just responding to it.
However, we now have FOUR women formerly on the NRA payroll who have come forward and said (three of them) that Cain sexually harassed them and (one, Sharon) that Cain sexually assaulted her.
150,000,000 Women can't be wrong.
Any smaller number need to bring proof.
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1. Why are you so firm in finding ANY theory more credible than the simplest one, that the old Hermster is a horn dog and a perv? Do you think the guy is a hermaphrodite or some kind of asexual being with zero interest in the fair sex and so it would be utterly impossible to even consider the idea that he might have, uh, strayed from the path of righteousness? and
I have not said that it is impossible that this accusation is true, but the presumption of innocence applies untill proof appears.
and then!
If the infraction is mild I will forgive it, if the infraction is serious I will not.
Where shall I draw the line?
Personally,... I want a president that reapects the human dignity of every individual including women. If he is out of controll of himself I probly won't vote for him to have greater controll of me.
Nationally,.... we have determined Bill Clinton to be alright, and Clinton is guilty of worse than these alligations.
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Clinton did not force himself on Monica Lewinsky. She was in love with the dude and only confessed to her dalliances with him when some creeps told her that she would be thrown in jail unless she did confess.
She committed no crimes, and at most all she had to do was say that she took the 5th Amendment. But they were convincing and she was easily duped.
Monica was willing to have an affair with Clinton. She enjoyed it. She was known for having affairs with her teachers in HS and professors in college.
This Sharon Bialick was unwilling to submit to Cain, who was not at all subtile. He was a gross old coot and she was simply trying to get a job.
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<< I have not said that it is impossible that this accusation is true, but the presumption of innocence applies untill proof appears.>>
NO, it does not. The presumption of innocence is made only in criminal court and is a relic of the days when most criminal cases were capital cases.
No criminal charges were ever brought against Cain for sexual harassment and I'm not sure that sexual harassment of an employee was ever a criminal matter; regardless, none of the women involved appear to have pressed criminal charges, and I commend them for it. But since Cain was never faced with criminal charges, there is no reason for him to be claiming a criminal court standard of proof. According to your logic - - and believe me, I am using the term very, very loosely - - Cain will be forever innocent, as long as no criminal charges are brought against him - - because the presumption of innocence is only ended by a conviction.
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<< If the infraction is mild I will forgive it, if the infraction is serious I will not.>>
Fair enough - - so sexual harassment by a CEO of a female employee - - of at this point, FOUR employees - - could be "mild" in your opinion? Maybe, since I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around some of your concepts, you could help me out here with a specific example - - supposing you, for example, were sexually harassed by a gay CEO: what would be an example of "mild" sexual harassment in your eyes?
<<Where shall I draw the line?
<<Personally,... I want a president that reapects the human dignity of every individual including women. If he is out of controll of himself I probly won't vote for him to have greater controll of me.>>
Fair enough.
<< Nationally,.... we have determined Bill Clinton to be alright, and Clinton is guilty of worse than these alligations.>>
That's more than a little bit disingenuous on your part, plane. YOU, personally, have NEVER determined that Bill Clinton was alright, but you sure seem convinced in the face of all the existing circumstantial evidence, including allegations from four different women, that Cain is "alright."
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Clinton did not force himself on Monica Lewinsky.
I agree.
Monica Lewinsky should not be counted amoung Clintons Accusers, although Clintons bimbo eruption response team was ready to destroy her.
Many of Clintons accusers sound so much like Herman Cains accusers that it makes me wonder at the great commonality.
Is Herman Cain a lot like Clinton , or is that how the script was written?
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<<Personally,... I want a president that respects the human dignity of every individual including women. If he is out of control of himself I probably won't vote for him to have greater control of me.>>
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That sounds entirely logical and rational.
I think that Cain and Clinton are different individuals. Perhaps they have different motives. I respect Clinton more than I think I will ever respect Cain, because Cain has not shown me that he is motivated more by patriotism than egotism. Stealing a tax plan from a video game that could never be implemented sounds far too gimmicky. Proclaiming that he does not care who rules in Uz becky becky stan sounds like something a hick proud of his ignorance would say. It might not be important for the president to have the names of 205 world leaders committed to memory, but saying that a president does not have to care is plumb ignorant, it is a redneck thing to say, even if his neck is not red. A president is supposed to appear to care about all foreign affairs. He is supposed to do all he can to avoid looking like some hicktown yokel.
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<< I have not said that it is impossible that this accusation is true, but the presumption of innocence applies untill proof appears.>>
NO, it does not. The presumption of innocence is made only in criminal court and is a relic of the days when most criminal cases were capital cases.
Sometimes it seems as if you have never met an American, Bill Clinton was elected entirely on the presumption of innocence , which later turned out to be a poor presumption.No criminal charges were ever brought against Cain for sexual harassment and I'm not sure that sexual harassment of an employee was ever a criminal matter; regardless, none of the women involved appear to have pressed criminal charges, and I commend them for it. But since Cain was never faced with criminal charges, there is no reason for him to be claiming a criminal court standard of proof. According to your logic - - and believe me, I am using the term very, very loosely - - Cain will be forever innocent, as long as no criminal charges are brought against him - - because the presumption of innocence is only ended by a conviction.
Good point, I think you are getting my drift. If the guy is a masher then he should suffer the appropriate penalty after the appropriate due process. Just saying so to derail his election is political talk and of all talk political talk is the cheapest.
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<< If the infraction is mild I will forgive it, if the infraction is serious I will not.>>
Fair enough - - so sexual harassment by a CEO of a female employee - - of at this point, FOUR employees - - could be "mild" in your opinion? Maybe, since I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around some of your concepts, you could help me out here with a specific example - - supposing you, for example, were sexually harassed by a gay CEO: what would be an example of "mild" sexual harassment in your eyes?
I would have drawn the line far short of a govenor who makes it plain that promotion is found in his frount pockets, or who asked state troopers to cover for his dalliances, but I would not believe this of Clinton either untill after at least some of the alligations were verified somehow.
I don't feel bad about having higher standards than you do, I wonder tho how you can make it important that your lower standard can be reversed on Herman Cain.
<<Where shall I draw the line?
<<Personally,... I want a president that reapects the human dignity of every individual including women. If he is out of controll of himself I probly won't vote for him to have greater controll of me.>>
Fair enough.
<< Nationally,.... we have determined Bill Clinton to be alright, and Clinton is guilty of worse than these alligations.>>
That's more than a little bit disingenuous on your part, plane. YOU, personally, have NEVER determined that Bill Clinton was alright, but you sure seem convinced in the face of all the existing circumstantial evidence, including allegations from four different women, that Cain is "alright."
I think the Nation generally gave Bill Clinton too much benefit of the doubt Herman Cain is mainly diffrent by being black and as far as we can prove at this point innocent of the charges.
Will you have a higher standard for a Black guy or a lower standard for a Black guy?
The accusations against Clinton are simular and in Clintons case well founded .
If Herman Cain comes halfway down to the sleeze factor of Bill Clinton I will try to find better.
But where is your right to complain about Herman if you can't complain of Bill?
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<<Personally,... I want a president that respects the human dignity of every individual including women. If he is out of control of himself I probably won't vote for him to have greater control of me.>>
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That sounds entirely logical and rational.
Thank you , I really appreaciate this.
I think that Cain and Clinton are different individuals. Perhaps they have different motives. I respect Clinton more than I think I will ever respect Cain, because Cain has not shown me that he is motivated more by patriotism than egotism. Stealing a tax plan from a video game that could never be implemented sounds far too gimmicky. Proclaiming that he does not care who rules in Uz becky becky stan sounds like something a hick proud of his ignorance would say. It might not be important for the president to have the names of 205 world leaders committed to memory, but saying that a president does not have to care is plumb ignorant, it is a redneck thing to say, even if his neck is not red. A president is supposed to appear to care about all foreign affairs. He is supposed to do all he can to avoid looking like some hicktown yokel.
Ah , you only respect Clinton better because he is a big D, Democrat.
Other than this and being white he has nothing to be preferred over Herman Cain.
I disagree that a president needs to pretend and maintain illusion of omnicience.
Do you recall the hoopla when a reporter asked George Bush about the president of Packistan?Good Gotcha, but didn't cost Bush all that many votes because only a few voters knew the answer themselves, ironicly the US- Packistan relationship became highly important less than a year later.
By the way, the Capital of Tuva is Kizzell, if you didn't already know that, would this make me a better choice for president than you?
I do quite well in the Historical cards when playing Trivial persuit, if the national champion were automaticly president we could save a tremendous amount of money we are spending on elections. The national champion for Scrabble could be Veep.
Do you seriously think that the 9*9*9 plan is from the sims? I think that finding another house with my own house number on another street is much less than miraculous.
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she was sued by the motherfucking bloodsuckers in September of 2009
good grief Michael do adults have zero responsibility when they sign for loans?
is it always the poor baby's fault that is a frickin idiot to sign shit like this?
if you're paying 28% on your credit card...you're the friggin moron, not the credit card company!
*golf clap*.......well said, C
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I respect Clinton more than I think I will ever respect Cain, because Cain has not shown me that he is motivated more by patriotism than egotism. [/quote
Very few Presidents meet the Bill Clinton standard for lack of egotism.
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Cain to hold press conference Tuesday
Posted by
CNN Senior Producer Kevin Bohn
(CNN) - Republican presidential contender Herman Cain will address the latest sexual harassment allegations against him at a Tuesday afternoon news conference, his campaign announced late Monday.
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Other than this and being white he has nothing to be preferred over Herman Cain.
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Clinton was an admirable president in that he started no wars. Cain peddled pizzas. Gimme a break!
The capital of the Tuvan SSR is spelled Kyzyl.
It may not be important on a metaphysical plane, but I recall the mention of it in a documentary on Richard Fineman and in the film "Genghis Blues" about Paul Pena's learning how to throat sing and how he won a first prize at a contest in Kyzyl for his efforts.
I have the same house number as Homer Simpson, but I do not live on Evergreen Terrace.
9-9-9 never had any more chance than Steve Forbes Flat Tax. It has, however, made nearly everyone shut the eff up about the "Fair" Tax. So Cain has served a semi-useful purpose. Let him run, Let us see how important this is. I am curious.
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Clinton did not force himself on Monica Lewinsky
He did on Kathleen Willey, AND Juanita Broaddrick. And neither was in love with him. Nuff said
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Other than this and being white he has nothing to be preferred over Herman Cain.
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Clinton was an admirable president in that he started no wars. Cain peddled pizzas. Gimme a break!
Hahahaha Clinton supporters are always forgetting the wars that he started, think for a minute you will recall. Cain has been a professional mathmatician, now that is a pretty appropriate skill .
The capital of the Tuvan SSR is spelled Kyzyl.
I bow before your spelling prowress.
It may not be important on a metaphysical plane, but I recall the mention of it in a documentary on Richard Fineman and in the film "Genghis Blues" about Paul Pena's learning how to throat sing and how he won a first prize at a contest in Kyzyl for his efforts.
I bet you would enjoy Richard Feynmans book http://www.amazon.com/Surely-Feynman-Adventures-Curious-Character/dp/0393316041 (http://www.amazon.com/Surely-Feynman-Adventures-Curious-Character/dp/0393316041)
I have the same house number as Homer Simpson, but I do not live on Evergreen Terrace.
Wow , do you look like Homer too? I don't really think that one coincidence leads to another, rather, coincidences of a trivial nature are pretty common.
9-9-9 never had any more chance than Steve Forbes Flat Tax. It has, however, made nearly everyone shut the eff up about the "Fair" Tax. So Cain has served a semi-useful purpose. Let him run, Let us see how important this is. I am curious.
I would like taxes to be fair, how is a tax code so complex that it befuddles specialists studying it have any potential for fairness?
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<<Sometimes it seems as if you have never met an American>>
It's quite possible at this point in my life that I have more American relatives than Canadian. My American relatives now live in Detroit, Allentown, Seattle, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Dallas, Washington DC, New York, South Florida and probably other places that I have forgotten to include.
<<Bill Clinton was elected entirely on the presumption of innocence , which later turned out to be a poor presumption.>>
That's absurd. Nobody gave a shit about Monica, Gennifer or any of the others because they were willing participants. Paula Jones? Who the hell knows? She told one of the troopers that she'd like to be Bill's girlfriend. Kathleen Willey? After the encounter she wrote 12 letters and made 14 phone calls to the Prez, all of the letters being friendly. Broaderick I think surfaced after Bill had won his second term of office. Voters did not reluctantly give a presumption of innocence to Bill, they knew he was a babe magnet and that almost all his encounters had been by mutual consent. The allegations of forcible harassment were simply unbelievable - - why on earth would this guy have to force his attention on any woman when so many others were lined up to give him anything he wanted? A presumption of innocence is what you give a guy who you otherwise could easily believe was guilty. People voted for Clinton because they liked him and because they just didn't believe he'd force himself on any woman and they didn't give a shit about his consensual encounters.
<<I think you are getting my drift. If the guy is a masher then he should suffer the appropriate penalty after the appropriate due process.>>
You missed the point again. There is no "appropriate due process." The claims were settled or never brought. The women who didn't claim then don't want to claim now, and it's fully understandable, given the shitstorm of abuse and innuendo that every female complainant is subjected to.
<<Just saying so to derail his election is political talk and of all talk political talk is the cheapest.>>
That is totally absurd. Was it political talk to derail his election when the first three victims surfaced and nobody knew who this guy was? Is it the cheapest talk when a female employee comes forward to complain of sexual harassment on the job? You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about - - it's one of the worst ordeals any woman can face - - she's called a liar and a whore, degraded in every possible way a good lawyer can think of, her job is on the line. That is such a line of bullshit that I can't imagine you typing it with a straight face.
<<But where is your right to complain about Herman if you can't complain of Bill?>>
Why should I complain about a guy most of whose sexual encounters were purely consensual? Don't you understand anything of the difference between a serial sexual predator and consensual sex between adults? And the odd woman who complained of non-consensual sex was basically non-believable, Kathleen Willey, for example, who continued to write and call Clinton after the office encounter, Paula Jones who told the trooper she'd like to be Clinton's girlfriend after coming out of his room, and Brodderick, whose ONLY sworn statement was that Clinton had NOT sexually assaulted her. She later repudiated the first affidavit, but never in any sworn statement or sworn testimony.
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The current tax code is complex, but I have not had much difficulty filling out my 1040's over the years. The current tax code is undoubtedly unfair to some and fair to others. 9-9-9 is a gimmick that will never get through Congress, but it would be unfair most of all to those who have the least.
There are, of course, differing views of fairness. The Koch brothers and their pals at Cato seem to think that they are such a boon to all the people they hire with their money that they are a national treasure, and should be taxed lightly or not at all.
I hardly think that Cain's alleged expertise at math is the equivalent of Clinton's leadership skills. I note that what some might call Clintons "Wars" had few or no casualties. Certainly he was far more peaceful that either Bush or Reagan. And I consider that to be a huge plus in his favor, far, far more valuable than Cain's alleged skills with a pencil or a calculator.
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He did on Kathleen Willey, AND Juanita Broaddrick. And neither was in love with him. Nuff said
and SIRS dont forget about Paula Jones.
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'She's a complete gold digger':
Murky past of Herman Cain accuser starts to emerge
Fiance of Sharon Bialek says he is supporting her but did not find out until Friday
Filed for bankruptcy twice
Accused former boyfriend of harassing her to pay a loan
Cain appears on Jimmy Kimmel saying he will fight the accusations
Father found out about allegations on Monday
By Rachel Quigley
8th November 2011
A 'gold digger' embroiled in legal and financial difficulties who has always lived above her station and will do anything to never have to work again.
This is the portrait that has started to emerge of the fourth woman to accuse Herman Cain of sexual harassment - the first to come out publicly.
Though her lawyer Gloria Allred painted a respectable and prestigious education and employment history for Sharon Bialek, 50, just a day later it has been revealed that she has not held a job for more than two years and has filed for bankruptcy twice.
The 50-year-old is a single mother and suburban homemaker who lives in a large five bedroom house with her fiance - who said he first heard about the 'shocking' allegations on Friday.
Mark Harwood, who has been dating the 50-year-old for several years after meeting online, said he will stand by his fianc?e and believes coming out publicly was a 'gutsy' thing to do.
He said: 'It's not an anti-political thing. It's not a money thing. She's just trying to do the right thing, and that takes guts.'
A former employee of the National Restaurant Association Education Fund, Ms Bialek told a press conference in New York yesterday that when she went to Mr Cain for advice on finding a new job in July 1997, he 'put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch'.
Herman Cain's campaign immediately released a statement saying the allegations were untrue and the embattled nominee appeared on the Jimmy Kimmel show last night saying he was going to come out fighting.
'I was listening very closely and then when it was all over with, I said, well I know what we got to do because there's not an ounce of truth in all of these accusations and my team is putting this stuff together.
'That is why I'm willing to do a press conference tomorrow to set the record straight. I'm in it to win it and I'm not going to be discouraged.'
'This is a lady who lives off the system. She is hellbent on finding a way of never having to work and living the lifestyle she wants to live, a very affluent lifestyle'Meanwhile, a friend of Ms Bialek, from Chicago, told the New York Post: 'She has a very infectious personality. It?s easy to see how she won [Cain] over. But the reality of her situation is -- she?s a complete gold digger. It?s all about the money.'
Adding that she was from a middle-income family but lives in a posh house while running from bill collectors, the source said: 'Most of her jobs ended in termination. It?s always the employer?s fault, not hers.
'This is a lady who lives off the system. She is hellbent on finding a way of never having to work and living the lifestyle she wants to live, a very affluent lifestyle.'
Details of a number of legal and financial difficulties have since emerged, with the Chicago Tribune listing a long history with tax evasion and late or missed credit card payments.
The paper reported that Ms Bialek has filed for personal bankruptcy twice, first in 1991 and then again in 2001.
In 2001, she claimed $5,700 in assets and more than $36,000 in liabilities. Among the creditors seeking payment was a management firm demanding back rent of $4,500, four credit card companies and a lawyer asking for his legal fees.
WHO IS SHARON BIALEK?
Born and raised in Chicago, Ms Bialek graduated from Carl Schurz High School and briefly attended Northeastern Illinois University before enrolling at Arizona State University. She graduated from ASU in 1983 with a communications degree, a school spokesman said.
In 1996 she was hired by the National Restaurant Association Education Fund as the manager of industrial relations before being fired a year later.
After that, she worked for five years in WGN Radio's marketing department, Gloria Allred said. She is also said to have spent two-and-a-half years at CBS radio as managing director for nontraditional revenue.
It was also revealed at the press conference that she co-hosted a cooking show on television for nine years and worked for Revlon as an account manager and for the Easter Seals Society in corporate development.
Gloria Allred described her client as a 'registered Republican', but the 50-year-old does not have an active voter card in Illinois, election officials said. The state does not allow voters to register by party, but records show she pulled a GOP ballot in the 2008 primary.
As well as becoming acquainted with Cain, Ms Bialek is also said to have dated current White Sox analyst Steve Stone in the 1980s.
Source: Chicago Tribune
She is also said to have accused a former boyfriend of harassing her for money he had loaned her after she borrowed $4,500 from him.
The IRS filed a tax lien against her in 2009 for nearly $5,200. In August, the Illinois Department of Revenue claimed Ms Bialek owed the state more than $4,300, including penalties and interest, relating to income taxes from 2004, according to county records.
Court records also show creditors took legal action against her during the past decade, including at least one lawsuit filed in Cook County.
But Mark Harwood, a corporate executive in the medical equipment industry, denied she had any financial difficulties and claimed he supports her so she can look after her 13-year-old son.
Her father, Chester Bialek, said he did not know about his daughter's allegation until Monday and said that though he was surprised, he is supporting her decision to come forward.
On Monday night, Sharon Bialek told Piers Morgan she regarded Cain as someone she 'went to for help' and is shocked that he would 'use his power in such a way'.
She said that she is not coming forward for the purpose of making money and is aware of the backlash that she faces, claiming she can handle it.
When asked about the potential effects on her teenage son's life, the single mother said: 'He's the love of my life... I want him to know that his mommy did something good for women, that she stood up for what she believed in, and I think that's a more important lesson to learn.'
In a news conference earlier Monday, Ms Bialek went public with her claims, accusing the Republican frontrunner of being 'aggressive' and 'sexually inappropriate' towards her.
When she asked him what he was doing he replied: 'You want a job don't you?'
The single mother, who worked for the National Restaurant Association under Cain from 1996 to 1997, made an appeal to the embattled nominee saying: 'I really didn't want to be here today, but I want you, Mr Cain, to come clean. Just admit what you did. Admit you were inappropriate to people...and then move forward.
'Mr Cain, I implore you, Make this right.'
Cain's office immediately released a statement after the press conference saying: 'Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain.
'All allegations of harassment against Mr Cain are completely false. Mr Cain has never harassed anyone.
'Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain's bold '9-9-9 Plan', clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks.'
The fifth round of sexual harassment claims come after the GOP presidential candidate's popularity dropped from 66 per cent to 57 per cent, leaving Mitt Romney leading the polls with 63 per cent.
Ms Bialek agreed by phone to travel to Washington to meet him for a drink to discuss her options either with the company or with another.
The former cooking show co-host said Herman Cain sat beside her many times at dinners, luncheons and conventions when she was employed by the NRA, and had spoken with her extensively at this time.
The single mother alleged that Herman Cain reached under her skirt in 1997 as she sought help in finding a job
It was her boyfriend at the time who suggested she go to him for advice, believing he thought 'highly' of her.
When she arrived at the Capitol Hilton hotel, she found that he had upgraded her room to a palatial suite, which she initially thought was done by her boyfriend until Cain later told her, 'I upgraded you.'
They met for drinks in the lobby and then had dinner at an Italian restaurant when he asked her, 'Why are you here?'
She explained that she was reaching out to him at the behest of her boyfriend for help finding a job.
Describing the actual moment of the alleged sexual harassment, Ms Bialek, fighting back tears, told the news conference: 'He suddenly reached over and put his hand on my leg...under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch
'When I asked him what he was doing he said, "You want a job don't you?" I told him to stop and he did, I asked him to leave me to my hotel and he did.'
She said she was surprised and shocked at his actions.
Introducing the single mother, her lawyer Gloria Allred said she was 'disgusted' at Herman Cain's behaviour and said that he 'provided Sharon with a stimulus package of his own' when she went to him for advice.
Written, sworn statements were later read out by Ms Allred from Ms Bialek's former boyfriend, a pediatrician, and a businessman friend and mentor whom she also confided in at the time.
The business card the alleged victim held when she was employed by the NRA was also shown at the conference.
Ms Bialek said she was coming forward now to give a 'face and a voice to the other women'.
A woman who received a cash settlement from the restaurant association in response to her harassment claim rejected Cain's denials on Friday.
She said through her lawyer she was the victim of a 'series of inappropriate behaviours and unwanted advances' by Cain in 1999.
Cain revealed over the weekend that it is his wife Gloria who has been hardest hit by the decades-old allegations.
But his popularity among the voters has also taken a hit as the percentage of Republicans who view the Tea Party darling favourably dropped 9 percentage points.
And among all registered voters, Cain's popularity declined 5 percentage points, to 32 per cent from 37 per cent.
He said in the interview: 'My wife, obviously like most spouses, actually took it harder than I did because she knew about this, she knew that there was baseless from 1999.
'And I've had people telling me that usually the family members, um, they're the ones that emotionally take it so much - take it harder than the candidates.
'See the candidate being me, it's like I'm in the boxing match every day, throwing punches back, alright.
'Well when you've got to turn on the TV and watch all of the, uh, exaggerations and innuendos about your husband that you know hadn't done anything wrong, it can have an emotional toll. But she's doing fine now, she's doing fine now.'
Cain has continued to vehemently deny the accusations and has charged the presidential campaign of Texas governor Rick Perry with leaking the story.
Perry's campaign denies any involvement, which surfaced in Politico more than a week ago.
But now four woman have accused Cain of sexual harassment from his time as the restaurant industry's top lobbyist in the late 1990s.
FAMED ATTORNEY GLORIA ALLRED
Gloria Allred is a feminist American lawyer noted for taking high-profile and often controversial cases.
She represented Amber Frey when Frey was a witness in the criminal case against Scott Peterson and has also represented cases against the Boy Scouts of America for excluding an eleven year old girl named Katrina Yeaw, something she referred to as gender apartheid.
She represented Nicole Brown Simpson's family during the O. J. Simpson murder trial and more recently defended Rachel Uchitel when she was accused of having an affair with Tiger Woods.
Earlier this year she appeared at a press conference with former pornographic actress Ginger Lee in regard to Representative Anthony Weiner allegedly coaching her to lie on his behalf in relation to a sexting scandal.
According to her website, Ms Allred is the 'most famous woman attorney practicing law in the nation today, a tireless and successful advocate whose high-profile legal battles on behalf of victims whose rights have been violated have led to many landmark precedent-setting court decisions and hundreds of millions of dollars which she has won for her clients'.
Cain has given conflicting accounts of the cases since the news broke a week ago. He insists the claims were baseless and that he was wrongfully accused.
The allegations have received wide attention. The Reuters/Ipsos poll found more than 80 percent of respondents had heard of them, with Republicans the most aware, at 88 per cent, while independents the least aware, but still at a relatively high 64 per cent.
Talking about the last week, Cain recognised that things had gotten off to 'a little bit of a bumpy start'.
He said: 'I knew that that there was nothing to these faceless claims. I knew that.
'And even though I may not have responded on Monday morning as crisply and precise as I did later in the day, I'd do it all over again if I had to.'
He also said he was in the race 'for the long haul' and cited last week's fundraising figures, which showed him netting hundreds of thousands of dollars on the web.
He said: 'I am in it to win it. And far as we're concerned, these allegations aren't going anywhere. I mean people might make up some more stuff. We are in it to win it.
'And here's one other thing. Last week, in the middle of this fire storm, we have had the best fundraising week in the history of this campaign. The American people are sick of government politics.'
Despite the poll result, which showed 53 per cent of respondents believed the allegations were true despite his denials, Cain predicted his campaign will not be adversely affected by them.
It also revealed that Republicans were less likely to believe they are true, with 39 per cent thinking they are accurate.
Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson said: 'The most striking thing is that Herman Cain is actually seeing a fairly substantial decline in ratings toward him particularly among Republicans.'
Four in 10 poll respondents said the harassment issue had made them less favourable toward Cain. And about one in three Republicans, or 35 percent, said the controversy had made them less favourable toward Cain.
Jackson said it may well be that the wave of support that carried the conservative Cain to the top of the Republican field was now cresting.
He said: 'I think he is probably cresting now. I think this week, last week, were sort of the high-water mark.'
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I say once more, let Cain be Cain. Let him have his say, let all that think they have something to say have theirs and let the voters decide. This is not a criminal case and legal rules do not apply. The only rule that applies here is whether the Republicans who vote in the primary want him of someone else to be their candidate.
One can speculate, I suppose, based on the accusations and counteraccusations that go flying about are the sort of thing that our country needs in addition to the current recession, wars in the Middle East, the budget and the deficit.
It is true that reality TV is sure to be more exciting than "Accounting with the Stars" or "Deficit Island". For some, it could be that politics should be really entertaining. In such case, Cain and Perry would be ideal leaders. Perhaps they shoudl get together at that renamed place in Texas, what do they call it now? "Caucasianhead".
Let the primaries begin!
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......why on earth would this guy have to force his attention on any woman when so many others were lined up to give him anything he wanted?
You mean Herman Cain?
That is hardly enough diffrence anyway.
Heart and Edwards have never been accused of abuse or rape, infidelity is a milder offense but is still quite enough.
We know at this point that Clinton was guilty of almost everything he was accused of, but when he was first accused no real proof was offered and the presumption of innocence carryed his case while he was elected.
Neither Heart nor Edwards had much problem with mere accusation, the finding of evidence made a lot of diffrence.
Clinton coped with the constant barrage of accusation by having a section of his staff devoted to caricter assination of his accusers, they had started working on Monica untill she produced DNA evidence, then they threw in the towel.
Tonight Herman Cain is holding a press confrence, if he is actually guilty of something like half of what Clinton is guilty of then he is toast and should just ask for the butter. If he is not guilty of anything , or guilty only of really small indescretions he should confrount the media , confrount his accusers and demand that all proofs be aired.
If Proof is lacking there is a backlash waiting .
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Well if anyone was wondering why the first three accusers didn't want to step forward into the limelight, the Chicago Tribune's hatchet job on Sharon Bialek should answer all questions. Complete with an unflattering close-up photo of her, showing every facial pore and pock-mark, hair and eye-glasses askew, lipsticked mouth opened like a fish or a comatose, sedated senior citizen, we were treated to a barrage of comments by an anonymous "friend" from Chicago, from whom we "learned" that:
1. She's a "complete gold-digger;"
2. She's "hell-bent" on "never having to work again;"
Interesting how Cain's defenders stress the anonymity of his first three accusers, while his PR machine serves up Bialek's anonymous trash-talking "friend" as a source with absolutely NO attempt to back up the info provided through collateral research.
The most hilarious part of this trashfest had to be the tax lien registered against her. You'd think that tax-hating Republicans would regard a tax lien as a badge of honour, but apparently not in this case; they dug out every last dollar, to wit: "nearly" (sic) $5,200 in 2009. Way to round those numbers upwards, Tribsters!! Of course, a quick internet search reveals that the State of Georgia filed a tax lien for $8,558.46 in 2008 against - - wait for it!!! - - Herm the Perv!!! Yeah, actually, it was kind of fun to Google tax liens AND [name your favourite Republican sleazebag here] and see what comes out. Republicans hate taxes so much, they don't even pay them.
Most of the rest of the article seemed hell-bent on proving that Sharon Bialek was - - hold your breath! - - a POOR PERSON. and a SINGLE MOTHER. OMG, can you believe it? On the run from credit card companies, banks and lawyers. Living beyond her means!! (Although not, I guess, as far beyond her means as Bernie Madoff, the directors of Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers and AIG and Citigroup, or all the legislators who took their money, but still . . . ) Who can imagine such depravity in the America of the Nineteen-Nineties??
I have to admit being somewhat puzzled though by this gold-digging, work-shunning, parasite on the ass of humanity, somehow getting her diploma from Arizona State University at the age of 22.
How in the hell did she . . . ??? Oh, OF COURSE, I forgot - - she fucked her way through to it. Obviously. Silly me.
And then, I need to get this straight now - - this lazy, shiftless good-for-nothing, didn't she - -
- work a year for the NRA? (blow-jobs on her knees in the computer room)
- work five years at WGN Radio? (sex with the boss and all the DJs who weren't gay)
- work another 2 and a half years at CBS Radio?
- co-host a cooking show on TV for nine years?
- work as an account manager for Revlon? and
- work in corporate development for Easter Seals Society?
Sounds like she works pretty hard to me. With all the corporate lay-offs, she's got some gaps in the old timeline? BFD. Hasn't worked in two years? Of course not, the fucking finance industry crashed the economy in the fall of 08 and millions of people haven't worked since then. BFD.
Looks to me like old Sharon is just a regular charter member of the 99%, with all the problems that entails. The failure of capitalism has left a lot of victims in its wake, to sink or swim as best they can. She seems to have found a high-earning man who loves and supports her. Great! All the less reason she needs to capitalize on this whole sordid mess, but she came forward to stop that fucking sleazebag to stop him trashing his victims and I think most Americans (not from THIS group, that's for fucking sure) have already seen through this Perv and I've got a lot of faith in Gloria Alred - - she'll tear Herm the Perv a new asshole, and one for his shit-smearing PR gang as well. Go, Gloria!!!
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Doesn't your defense of Clinton include playing down the credability of the accusers?
As far as I know that is all the Clintons and their staff ever did about his problem.
Is this woman credable or not? I don't know yet.
Gloria Alred - - she'll tear Herm the Perv a new asshole, and one for his shit-smearing PR gang as well. Go, Gloria!!!
Yep, that is the description of her career.
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Well concluded Plane. Again, its fascinating to watch how some lunatics on the left will go aspesnot over perceived tactics that don't even come close to those employed on the women who were accusing then King Clinton, of acts far more egregious. And yet those women still did come forward.
Simply fascinating. Hypocrisy of the highest order, on display
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I am enough of a grown up to realize that my wishing for something will have no impact on what happens.
If I were to say I demand Cain resign from the primaries immediately, it would have no effect. Neither does my saying that I think the primaries should continue with Cain in them.
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So, make sure you don't vote, since it obviously has little impact on what happens ::)
Here's a hint, Xo. it was a rhetorical statement
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It was a meaningless statement.
I do not live in Iowa or New Hampshire,and am not registered as a Republican. If I did vote,my vote would be very very unlikely to change anything.
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Be careful what you wish for
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I am enough of a grown up to realize that my wishing for something will have no impact on what happens.
If I were to say I demand Cain resign from the primaries immediately, it would have no effect. Neither does my saying that I think the primaries should continue with Cain in them.
We are not worried that we are so sharp that we can split the world.
WE just want your wishes on record , so that we may tease you when they do come true.
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It was a meaningless statement.
ok, if that's what you want to call your statement, fine by me
Be careful what you wish for
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I am enough of a grown up to realize that my wishing for something will have no impact on what happens.
If I were to say I demand Cain resign from the primaries immediately, it would have no effect. Neither does my saying that I think the primaries should continue with Cain in them.
We are not worried that we are so sharp that we can split the world.
WE just want your wishes on record , so that we may tease you when they do come true.
;D
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Still more lunatic logic from the far-right lunatic fringe. Herm the Perv's first response to the 4th accuser: an all-out shitstorm of character assassination in a friendly paper (the Trib) which on closer inspection actually turns out to be one giant nothingburger. A breathless revelation that the woman is poor; a single mother; hounded by creditors; had a tax lien (albeit a smaller one than the State of Georgia filed on Herm the Perv;) worked a total of about 8 and 1/2 years at three known jobs and an unknown period of time at two others, plus co-hosting a TV cooking show for nine years (although we don't know if this was actually a paying job) and had a university degree by the time she was about 22 years old. So her work record may or may not have gaps in it, which for sure would make her a certified member of the 99% and she hasn't worked for the past two years (a period of time starting about a year after the failure of capitalism crashed the fucking economy.
Oh, yeah, and they found an anonymous "friend" to call her a "gold-digger."
WOW. Impressive. Not.
So in view of the failed mud-slinging attack coming (with awesome speed from the Cain camp, leading me to believe that the attack was well-prepared in advance) we have a still-credible fourth accuser, well-represented by the incomparable Gloria Allred. How do our friends on the lunatic right react? Easy. In one chorus, all together, CLINTON! CLINTON! CLINTON! CLINTON! CLINTON! I guess after the laughable failure of "Attack! Attack!" Attack!" then what other choice IS there but "Distract! Distract! Distract!"?
Nice try, guys, but may I suggest that once every news cycle you come back to planet earth briefly enough just to get some fresh air and remind yourselves that it is HERM THE PERV who wants to be the GOP's next sacrificial lamb, and not Bill Clinton. It might help to keep your posts a little less ludicrous.
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You can almost see the foam coming out of their mouths.
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<<You can almost see the foam coming out of their mouths. >>
LOL
What I can really almost see are the little hamsters running in circles inside sirs' brain in a closed loop with only two signposts: Clinton-->Foam-->Clinton-->Foam-->Clinton-->Foam
DON'T LOOK over there at Sharon Bialek and Gloria Allred, look over here: Clinton-->Foam-->Clinton-->Foam . . .
Good luck widdat, sirs.
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Oh the irony
Cain-->Foam-->Cain-->Foam-->Cain-->Foam
Oh, and FYI, I'm looking directly at messers Allred & Bialek. Unlike the hypocrites on the left, I made it clear that if the accusations were true, Cain should withdraw. vs those who still rationalize the actual true events of Clinton away, giving him high praise for his Presidency, for acts far worse.
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You can almost see the foam coming out of their mouths.
Almost?
I need to install wipers.
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<< . . . for acts far worse.>>
Oh, really? ALL of Clinton's escapades were consensual with the possible exception of the following:
- Paula Jones (settled without an admission of liability)
- Kathleen Willey (unbelievable - - she wrote about a dozen letters to Clinton AFTER the alleged assault, and placed about an equal number of phone calls to him AFTER the alleged assault.) The letters were all friendly and seemed to indicate an interest in continuing the relationship. The accusation wasn't made until about four years ex post facto.
Juanita Broaddrick Really bizarre and unbelievable - - long-delayed charges, an affidavit denying any improprieties. followed by a repudiation of the affidavit but no new affidavit was ever sworn nor was the original affidavit ever corrected or repudiated by her under oath.
As far as I know, all other dalliances of Clinton were cases of consensual sex between adults.
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Ahh, excellent, so we're using the "unbelievable" defense, despite the fact they have just as much face and name as Cain's accuser, not to mention this Cain accuser took far longer than 4years
So, using Tee's parameters, and based on the timing of all of this, not to mention Allred's presence and who's bankrolling her, I guess we can go with the "unbelievable" conclusion, as it relates to this latest Cain accuser
Thanks Tee
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Long delayed charges are unbelievable?
Thank you .
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Ahh, excellent, so we're using the "unbelievable" defense, despite the fact they have just as much face and name as Cain's accuser, not to mention this Cain accuser took far longer than 4years
So, using Tee's parameters, and based on the timing of all of this, not to mention Allred's presence and who's bankrolling her, I guess we can go with the "unbelievable" conclusion, as it relates to this latest Cain accuser
Thanks Tee
Whoops , shouldn't have been so fast.
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Broaddrick's accusation took 20 years to surface and was contradicted by her own sworn affidavit. Taking all the circumstances into consideration, her claim was unbelievable. She had no explanation for waiting 20 years to come forward.
Bialek has a very credible explanation for not wanting to come forward at the time. Also a good explanation for why she is coming forward now - - she is outraged by The Perv's trashing of the three complainants, whom she knows from her own experience must be telling the truth.
Your reasoning, like most conservative reasoning, was flawed. While I pointed to length of silence, it was not the ONLY factor. It would actually be absurd to evaluate all claims on the basis of a single factor, such as length of silence. But then you conservatives are certainly no strangers to absurdity. Every new argument you try to spin out of this seems increasingly more bizarre and foolish than the one before it.
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Cains situation has nothing to do with Clinton's situation.
If there are lessons to be learned it is in how each candidates team handled the scandal.
We know Clinton had a bimbo eruption team deploying the nuts and sluts defense. And that delaying tactic worked pretty much all the way through his impeachment hearings.
Cain i don't think is doing so well. But that might be because i am expecting a polished political response and that really isn't who Cain is.
so we'll see how this press conference does, but i think his troubles are just beginning.
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And again, using Tee's parameters, "taking all circumstances into consideration", until there's more evidence to back up this he said she said conundrum, the accuser remains unbelievable, given how long it took to bring this accusaction forward, the current timing of the "revelation", and who's backing the accuser
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Cain pretty much said he had no idea who Bialek was. So if the Italian restaurant can be located and a Cain credit card receipt found or the hotel upgrade request is recollected or the billing charge found then Cain gets caught. Doesn't matter if he fondled her crotch or not. A lie is a lie is a lie.
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Wiper blades vs MA Audio Hard Kore 18's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCqlR4EnYA#)
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Cain pretty much said he had no idea who Bialek was. So if the Italian restaurant can be located and a Cain credit card receipt found or the hotel upgrade request is recollected or the billing charge found then Cain gets caught. Doesn't matter if he fondled her crotch or not. A lie is a lie is a lie.
That is a good point, what if some portion of her story fails to check out?
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Cain pretty much said he had no idea who Bialek was. So if the Italian restaurant can be located and a Cain credit card receipt found or the hotel upgrade request is recollected or the billing charge found then Cain gets caught. Doesn't matter if he fondled her crotch or not. A lie is a lie is a lie.
Precisely....and that would be evidence, and not simply a he said/she said
Cain pretty much said he had no idea who Bialek was. So if the Italian restaurant can be located and a Cain credit card receipt found or the hotel upgrade request is recollected or the billing charge found then Cain gets caught. Doesn't matter if he fondled her crotch or not. A lie is a lie is a lie.
That is a good point, what if some portion of her story fails to check out?
Xo gets his wish 8)
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That is a good point, what if some portion of her story fails to check out?
Are we expecting more truth from Sharon Bialek or Herman Cain?
What was the date of the encounter. Does she remember the name of the restaurant. What hotel?
All clues. Credit cards were in mass use in 96-97.
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Well,... is a real date being given?
If he was making an appearance somewhere elese that day anti-proof could be found without leaving the internet.
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I don't believe she gave definitive dates.
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I don't believe she gave definitive dates.
Why not?
If she would, everyone could check out her story.
Did she buy a plane ticket or make a reservation herself? She could prove she was in town during the right time. Does she have any documents of this sort?
Herman Cain was a notable figure already, where he was at a particular time might be findable , if he was elesewhere this story falls apart, if he was in town did he rent a car, upgrade her room, etc. etc.
Just finding Herman Cains credit card being used to buy gas some miles away could be enough.
The truth might really be out there this time.
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Why not?
Probably on the advice of her attorney, But now Herman has a gunslinger of his own by the name of Lin Wood, perhaps some might remember him for his representation of Richard Jewell.
So if the truth is out there it will surface.
maybe