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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on November 15, 2011, 10:33:25 AM
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On Libya, Herman Cain has his own ‘oops’ moment
This time the subject was Libya. The candidate was Herman Cain. The question was whether he agreed with the way President Obama handled the matter. The answer, drawn out over more than five awkward minutes, produced another “oops” moment in the race for the Republican presidential nomination.
When asked the question by the editorial board of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Cain leaned back in his chair, looked at the ceiling, closed his eyes and said, “Okay, Libya.” He then searched his thoughts for 11 seconds before asking whether Obama supported the removal of Libyan leader Moammar Qaddafi, who was captured and killed in October, seven months after Obama made the decision to try to oust him.
Cain fidgeted in his chair, searched the ceiling again and adjusted his suit jacket before allowing, “I gotta go back, see, got all this stuff twirling around in my head.”
His answer, which was videotaped and went viral online and on cable TV almost immediately, was reminiscent of the painfully long 53 seconds that Texas Gov. Rick Perry spent at a candidates debate last week trying to remember the name of a federal agency he would eliminate if elected. Perry, unable to pull the Energy Department from his mind, gave up with an “oops.”
More at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-libya-herman-cain-has-his-own-oops-moment/2011/11/14/gIQAxWnuMN_story.html?hpid=z1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-libya-herman-cain-has-his-own-oops-moment/2011/11/14/gIQAxWnuMN_story.html?hpid=z1)
Video at: Herman Cain on Libya (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_nDFKAmCo#ws)
The question seems to be whether we need a president who has "stuff twirling around in his head".
I am thinking, maybe not.
On the other hand, I am sure he knows the precise number of pepperoni slices on a twelve inch pizza that will maximize both customer satisfaction and corporate profits. I am willing to accept that he knows more about the proper quantity of anchovies for a pizza takeout location to keep in stock for minimum spoilage better than President Obama.
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"It's the economy, stupid".......Bill Clinton
"It's the economy, stupid" was a phrase in American politics widely used during Bill Clinton's successful 1992 presidential campaign against George H. W. Bush. For a time, Bush was considered unbeatable because of foreign policy developments
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Admit it, this guy tends to be clueless.
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About the economy, and policies he'd push to pull us out the abyss our current president drove us into?? Hardly
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Obama is not to blame for the recession. It started before he took office.
It would be worse had he not did what he did.
It would be better had McConnell and the rest of the ratbag right not been intent on preventing him from doing anything.
Just listen to Cain on this video. Never has Obama seemed even half as dazed and confused as this sorry fraud.
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Obama's to blame for instituting policies that made the recession FAR WORSE, most notably in far more stagnating regulations upon businesses, and in Obamination Care
Obama's to blame for getting everying he could possibly want passed, in his 1st 2years, with a Fillibuster proof majority, so you can dispense with the supposed McConnell roadblock. If something didn't get passed, it was because of Democrats not wanting to lose their next election....which they did anyways
Obama's to blame for signing off on exponential spending this country has never seen before, racking up more debt, than all the prior presidents combined, to be passed on to our children, and their children's children, and so on
I've listened to Cain....ON ECONOMIC ISSUES. He has a FAR GREATER CLUE ON THE ECONOMY, than Mr. Community organizer
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Saw the video and Pizza Man's pathetic. Probably all the "stuff twirling round in his head" was blondes whose skirts he could stick his hand into when nobody's looking. Whatever it was, the question was pretty simple. You gotta be genuinely STOOOPIT to mess up on that one. What happens when the going gets rough and the questions aren't so simple?
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The fact is, that the President managed the Libyan thing as well as anyone could. But Cain, it is obvious from this video, did not know enough about it to comment on it, and there was no way that he could bring himself to say that "Mr Community Organizer" passed this with good marks, so he sat there and made a fool of himself.
How can anyone take a guy seriously that takes their centerpiece idea from a flippin' video game?
In the very unlikely event that Cain gets the nomination, the entire country will see this video many, many times.
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It is amazing that speculation that Cain got 9-9-9 from a video game has earned the rank of hard cold fact amongst his critics.
And we are to believe Cain is some pervert when one accuser filed a sexual harassment charge over a computer joke and the other has a long history of being irresponsible not knowing who the father of her child was and having a very spotty employment record.
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What the country will also see...AND...hear...."It's the Economy, stupid"
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And they will see Cain blathering about, talking about all the weird stuff twirling around in his head, and conclude that he is far too clueless to trust with an economy.
Now if you wanted extra cheese with that, maybe he's your man.
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NOT, when he is talking about the economy
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<<And we are to believe Cain is some pervert when one accuser filed a sexual harassment charge over a computer joke . . . >>
Wake up and smell the coffee, BT. Sexually demeaning computer jokes have been found to be sexual harassment on many occasions over the past 20 years and for an attractive blonde, sexual harassment has been known to strike twice. If she DID file a complaint over a sexually harassing computer joke, you can bet your ass she'd file a complaint over something more egregious as well. But I guess you prefer your victims to be soft and compliant types who are too intimidated to speak up. Those days are long gone and the racist, anti-woman Republicans are just going to have to adjust to the 21st century, like it or not.
<<and the other has a long history of being irresponsible not knowing who the father of her child was and having a very spotty employment record. >>
So of course, she couldn't be the victim of a serial sexual harasser already known to have harassed two of his other female employees. Only financially responsible people who know who the father of their children is can be sexually harassed. BTW, there's nothing particularly "spotty" about her employment record. When I analyzed the Trib's hatchet job, I think I found about nine jobs that she'd worked at, one for up to five years, one for two years, and very little to evaluate them. Did she move a lot from one city to the next? She was a pediatrician's girl-friend for a number of years, I don't think she really had to go out and work then and she's a stay-at-home mum now. Your indignation at "spotty employment records" in an era when capitalism has finally failed is laughable, as is your "financial irresponsibility" jibe - - at least in her financial irresponsibility, she took no one else down with her. Don't you read the papers? Financial irresponsibility is as American as apple pie. It's virtually a qualification for high political office in your country.
What about the third victim? Oh, she kept her head down, wisely, it seems. No dirt for you apologists for racism and sexism to dig up on her, too bad, so sad.
Well, if you learned nothing else from this little fiasco (and I'm sure you didn't) at least you ought to know by now why a lot of ladies like to keep their heads down after a sexual assault by the Hermster or scum like him. Because perverts, their enablers and their supporters sure like to revel in digging up the dirt and throwing it around. Good job, guys.
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Which then begs the question, and referenced in another posting, that if uncle tom is supposed to be some "serial sexual harasser", one would expect such accusations coming from up & down, and all across his occupational climb......you know, akin to Clinton's accusers, stemming all the way from College to President
What's up with that?
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Which then begs the question, and referenced in another posting, that if uncle tom is supposed to be some "serial sexual harasser", one would expect such accusations coming from up & down, and all across his occupational climb......you know, akin to Clinton's accusers, stemming all the way from College to President
What's up with that?
That's what I find the most interesting. There appear to be two "groups" of accusations; one set in the late 90's and one person just now (Bialek). Both groups seem to correspond pretty well time wise with announced runs at the Whitehouse. But outside of those? Apparently nothing.
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Inquiring minds
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I am gonna have to admit, if you asked me to detail President Obama's Libia vs Gaddifi policy and actions I could not .
I could go to google and maybe find out, but Obama has been a little low key on this.
How many of us could in those circumstances answer that question ? or even better each of hundreds of questions.
I thought Obama was pretty funny to say that there were fifty seven states, I guess this is about as bad as that.
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Your indignation at "spotty employment records" in an era when capitalism has finally failed is laughable, as is your "financial irresponsibility" jibe - - at least in her financial irresponsibility, she took no one else down with her.
The pediatrician and her current boyfriend have both field bankruptcy.
Those days are long gone and the racist, anti-woman Republicans are just going to have to adjust to the 21st century, like it or not.
And yet you are the one who excuses Clinton's behavior and calls a black man Uncle Tom.
Welcome to the GOP Mikey!
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Those days are long gone and the racist, anti-woman Republicans are just going to have to adjust to the 21st century, like it or not.
And yet you are the one who excuses Clinton's behavior and calls a black man Uncle Tom.
Welcome to the GOP Mikey!
LOL
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<<The pediatrician and her current boyfriend have both field bankruptcy. >>
When she was with the pediatrician, I'm sure he was solvent, which would explain one of the gaps in her employment record, and if the current boyfriend has filed bankruptcy, I'm sure she'll try to get another job if she needs one. Sure can't blame her for crashing the U.S. economy and exporting millions of jobs.
<<And yet you are the one who excuses Clinton's behavior . . . >>
Stay up to date on the posts, BT. I don't excuse rape, just wasn't convinced of it before, as far as Bubba was concerned.
<< . . . and calls a black man Uncle Tom. >>
The Perv IS an Uncle Tom. That's a comment from the anti-racist side of the aisle, not from the racist GOP.
<<Welcome to the GOP Mikey!>>
Fuck the GOP, BT.
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That's a comment from the anti-racist side of the aisle
Right. Hurl slurs at a black man who doesn't know his place. Might as well call him uppity.
You must be in South Canada.
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.........a comment from the anti-racist side of the aisle, .........
I am familiar with the concept of using fire to fight fire.
A well placed back fire can be a controlled fire to eliminate fuel in the path of a wildfire, if done well it can reduce the fire in total.
But when setting a backfire , should we really call this fire something other than fire?
Perhaps we should come up with a special name for anti-fire fires, you know , to avoid confusion.
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enlightened patronization?
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<<Right. Hurl slurs at a black man who doesn't know his place. Might as well call him uppity. >>
An Uncle Tom serves the white racist GOP at the expense of his own people, so exposing him for what he is is an anti-racist action. This shouldn't be rocket science, but at the same time, I can't say that I'm exactly surprised by your inability to grasp such a simple fact.
<<You must be in South Canada. >>
Well even southern Ontario is north of the Deep South.
It's hilarious how you guys from the racist GOP are slamming ME as a racist. Talk about Bizarro World, man, you guys INVENTED it.
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A Uncle Tom serves himself. Just like white people can. It's called liberty.
Racist!!!
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It is not racist to point out that Cain himself claims to have "stuff twirling around in his head" to the degree that all he can say is that he disagrees with what Obama did in Libya even though he is clueless what he did.
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It is not racist to point out that Cain himself claims to have "stuff twirling around in his head" to the degree that all he can say is that he disagrees with what Obama did in Libya even though he is clueless what he did.
You are bringing forward the points that do not require racism. The U-Tom stuff is racism disagreements on forign policy isn't.
What about Obamas policy in Lybia do you find wise or disagreeable?
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It is not racist to point out that Cain himself claims to have "stuff twirling around in his head" to the degree that all he can say is that he disagrees with what Obama did in Libya even though he is clueless what he did.
I don't believe anyone in here claimed that.
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It is not racist to point out that Cain himself claims to have "stuff twirling around in his head" to the degree that all he can say is that he disagrees with what Obama did in Libya even though he is clueless what he did.
Who said it was??
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What about Obamas policy in Lybia do you find wise or disagreeable?
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The Libya operation accomplished its goal with no American casualty, and that made it a wise operation.
It would have been better had they finished this sooner,but this was a matter of luck.
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<<A Uncle Tom serves himself. Just like white people can. It's called liberty.>>
You might as well claim that Vidkun Quisling was serving himself just like Norwegian resistance fighters could. When serving yourself means serving the oppressors of your own people, then a line has been crossed. When a Norwegian crosses it, he's a quisling. When an American black man crosses it, he's an uncle Tom.
<<Racist!!!>>
You'll just have to excuse me if I don't take accusations of racism from GOP supporters too seriously. LMFAO, in fact.
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Race does not equal nation. One realizes this desperate effort of yours effort to embrace them as if they were, but they factually aren't. If a white man were to support his race, above all others, he'd be referred to as a racist. Someone that actually doesn't embrace "race 1st", is the embodyment of MLK's dream, where it was character that mattered. Your position equates to the KKK position......just advocating a different color
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Mikey is having a hard time dealing with post racial society. He needs everybody to adhere strictly to stereotypical expectations. It is sad to see that he can not comprehend that calling a black man who chooses his own path a race traitor is is the very definition of racism.
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It is sad to see that he can not comprehend that calling a black man who chooses his own path a race traitor is is the very definition of racism.
Indeed.....been saying that all along myself. And he flaunts it, but somehow finds racism in non-exist racism at Tea party events, or merely the GOP in general. Can't point to anything specific, but he can see it in code words, phrases, gestures, all the while he proudly resorts to the very definition of racist rhetoric
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<<If a white man were to support his race, above all others, he'd be referred to as a racist. Someone that actually doesn't embrace "race 1st", is the embodyment of MLK's dream, where it was character that mattered. Your position equates to the KKK position......just advocating a different color>>
That's not a bad point, but it was already posed by another poster in a different thread, where I answered it. The true interests of a majority race in a democratic society is not the oppression of other races (which leads only to civil strife) but in harmonious and fair relations between the races. Thus a KKK, in seeking continued white supremacy, is actually acting against the interests of the white majority that he claims to be fighting for. The interests of the minority race, of course, is to throw off the last vestiges of racist oppression and speed the day of equality and fairness for all.
In a somewhat related vein, the so-called "post-racial society" that BT refers to is pure bullshit. There is no such thing as "post-racial society" because racism still exists as a powerful force in U.S. society, the major guardian of which is now the GOP. Hence, the same phony claims to a post-racial society are part of the same propaganda offensive in which Uncle Toms like the Herminator play an important role,both attempting to convince the anti-racist forces of America to abandon the struggle because they have already won. The vast majority of American blacks, of course, are not dumb enough to fall for this kind of BS, which is why Toms like Cain claim that they are "brainwashed."
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That's called reverse racism Tee. Racism is racism, whether its a majority of 1 race supporting their over all others, or a minority of 1 race, supporting their race over all others. News flash, racism is a fraction of the problem it was, back in the early to mid 1900's. Blacks have as much freedom as the majority, as well as any other "minority". Those that target blacks, or any other minority, with hateful rhetoric, are consistently condemned, and denounced, by all, including tea party folk. Those that target a person with vulgar racist rhetoric based on their skin color are equally called out for such. Current saloon patron included
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<<That's called reverse racism Tee.>>
You obviously have no idea what reverse racism means, sirs. Reverse racism is where members of the victimized race develop their own racial theories according to which THEY are the superior race and their oppressors are the inferior race. A good example of this would be the religion (can't think of the name of it right now) holding that whites are the result of an experiment gone wrong by an evil scientist named Yakoob, and are referred to as "blue-eyed devils." That is exactly what reverse racism is.
<< Racism is racism, whether its a majority of 1 race supporting their over all others, or a minority of 1 race, supporting their race over all others. >>
It's amazing how GOP racists like you think you can twist the truth around 180 degrees just by switching one single word; try taking out "supporting" and inserting instead "seeking the dominance of" and you'd pretty much have it right.
<<News flash, racism is a fraction of the problem it was, back in the early to mid 1900's.>>
That's not the issue, the issue is what fraction? I say it's still a major factor in American life, but that since the theory of racism (legalized white supremacy) has been pretty much discredited, racists work in covert ways on issues that resonate with racists and have racist effects, the end-goal of which is the domination of blacks under a facade of what BT calls the "post-racial society." These covert ways include disenfranchisement through "convicted felon" eligibility rules and the selective enforcement thereof (one of the major tools used to steal the 2000 Presidential "elections;") the so-called "war on drugs," essentially a war on blacks; welfare "reform," and others. The fight against racism goes on, but under different names. Most of America's foreign aggressions are committed against darker-skinned peoples rather than Europeans and are justified in the eyes of many Americans as the killing of mere "ragheads" or, formerly, "gooks." In the absence of widespread racism, America's massacres and atrocities abroad would have found much less acceptance at home.
<<Blacks have as much freedom as the majority, as well as any other "minority". >>
Bullshit. Checked out any prison population stats lately? Blacks are incarcerated at a huge rate compared to whites, and disenfranchised after serving their terms too, in very large numbers. These trends will only increase under racist GOP policies, as will the ethnic cleansing of the Southwest through the anti-immigrant campaign known as "immigration reform." Check out the unemployment stats as well while you're at it. Blacks are fucked up the ass by white racist America, and nobody is doing more than the racist GOP to see that this will continue for as long as they (with major assists from their Uncle Toms) are able to continue it. What's funny is to see how the GOP simultaneously pushes racism under other names and policies, while crowing over the "huge advances" in civil rights, which were a Democratic accomplishment of Democratic statesmen like LBJ and the Democratic Party. That's hilarious.
<<Those that target blacks, or any other minority, with hateful rhetoric, are consistently condemned, and denounced, by all, including tea party folk. >>
Dontcha love how they cleaned up all their racist signs? In the beginning they were at every TP rally, now you really can't find them anywhere. I give the TP high marks for message control. If you don't speak their code, stay away from their rallies. They deal in racist policies, not racist slogans.
<< Those that target a person with vulgar racist rhetoric based on their skin color are equally called out for such. Current saloon patron included>>
sirs, whether you racist GOP like it or not, anti-racists will continue to call an Uncle Tom an Uncle Tom and laugh off the attempts of the real racists to brand others who fight their racism as "racists." It's totally in line with your Bizarro World politics, in which America is a peace-loving democracy that "defends itself" against midget countries with no viable means of defending themselves against, let alone attacking, the USA. Everything in your world is upside-down in relation to the way things really are, so if I'm a "racist" in your eyes, that's perfectly OK with me. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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<<That's called reverse racism Tee.>>
You obviously have no idea what reverse racism means, sirs.
I most certainly do. It's racism. and your hateful derogatory name calling aimed at a person, based on their race, is the quintessential definition of racism, no different then anyone using the N word, in the same way, regardless of how often you jump up and down, with a red face, and claim it isn't, and you're not
<<Blacks have as much freedom as the majority, as well as any other "minority". >>
Bullshit. Checked out any prison population stats lately? Blacks are incarcerated at a huge rate compared to whites, and disenfranchised after serving their terms too, in very large numbers.
Counter BS. Don't do the crime. Nothing racist there
<< Those that target a person with vulgar racist rhetoric based on their skin color are equally called out for such. Current saloon patron included>>
sirs, whether you racist GOP like it or not, anti-racists will continue to call an Uncle Tom an Uncle Tom and laugh off the attempts of the real racists to brand others who fight their racism as "racists."
Tee, whether you racist loons on the left like it or not, you're only fooling yourself big boy, and will consistently be prodded over your racist coals, as you keep spewing it
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sirs, I just gave you a very logical explanation of what reverse racism is, but I see that you're up to your old tricks of creative word definitions. You're almost as funny as your idol, the Herminator (see, I knew there was a a-GREEE-mint, but you askin me bout a SETTLE-mint) but you've been doing it as long as I can remember, so why stop now? BTW, LOOK!!! Free shot! I made fun of The Perv's accent, that's GOTTA be racist, only the KKK do that any more, Tee's a Klansman. Go for it, sirs, now you can PROVE I'm a "racist!"
I also noted your "Don't do the crime" as your even more ludicrous alternative explanation (to racism) for the prison pop stats. Now I'm just waiting for your "liberals made them do it" as the alternative explanation to the genetic racial criminality that's a necessary inference from your "don't do the crime" nonsense. You guys think everyone's dumb enough to buy into your first clumsy attempt to deny the problem, so of course you're totally unprepared for the next question, which leads you deeper and deeper into a morass of racism and absurdity. But keep it up, it's kind of amusing to watch you try to wriggle your way out of this quagmire.
<<Tee, whether you racist loons on the left like it or not, you're only fooling yourself big boy, and will consistently be prodded over your racist coals, as you keep spewing it>>
sirs has followed the careers of many top comedians, and obviously believes in the old adage, "Always leave 'em laughing." Thanks, sirs, you're a trouper.
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There is no such thing as "post-racial society" because racism still exists as a powerful force in U.S. society, the major guardian of which is now the GOP.
Prove it.
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I'm actually waiting for Tee to produce these "racist policies" by the GOP or supported by the Tea Party, or their support of the rarely seen racist sign....all these stealth racist practices, that we all supposedly support, minus any evidence of such of course, all the while, he spews hateful racist rhetoric for all to see, then tries to decry, "I'm not racist...I'm not racist. That (hateful derogatory racist uncle tom) rhetoric isn't racist....it's justified". I'm sure the Klan rationalized the same thing with their use of the n-word
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Prove what? That racism is still a powerful force in America? OK, incarceration stats, convicted felon ineligibility to vote laws and the selective enforcement thereof, unemployment stats, arrest stats, housing stats, public health stats. Problem is, I am not a sociologist. But every time I have seen any stats published on anything that classed by race, the blacks always come out way, way, way behind.
Prove that the GOP is the major guardian of racism in America? LBJ's comment at the passage of the Voting Rights Act ("We've lost the South for a generation,") the GOP Southern Strategy of Barry Goldwater, the "Welfare Queen" propaganda of the Reagan era, the "Willie Horton" ads, Nixon's war on drugs, Rick Perry's "Niggerhead" retreat, Senator Macacawitz' (George Allen's) "macaca" remark, Trent Lott's regrets over Strom Thurmond's Presidential election failure, Herm the Perv's remarks about "brainwashed" black majorities, Haley Barbour's defence of White Citizens Councils, jeeeeziz man, the list goes on and on . . .
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Stats mean anything someone wants them to mean, Tee. What are the current actual "racist policies" in place, put there by the GOP, and supported by the Tea Party folk??
(Ignroing for the moment that any supposed policies in place, had a Filibuster proof Democrat majority following Obama's election, to remove such)
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LBJ's comment at the passage of the Voting Rights Act ("We've lost the South for a generation,")
He was referring to democrats
the GOP Southern Strategy of Barry Goldwater,
How was that racist?
the "Welfare Queen" propaganda of the Reagan era
Most people on welfare are white.
the "Willie Horton" ads
Al Gore originated those.
Nixon's war on drugs
How is that racist. Don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.
Rick Perry's "Niggerhead" retreat
Was the owner a Republican? Perry's daddy who leased the land wasn't.
Herm the Perv's remarks about "brainwashed" black majorities
He was saying blacks should think for themselves and act accordingly. You say they shouldn't, so who is the racist?
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Reagan's welfare queens were all Black women. Olebush was the one who ran nearly all of those Willie Horton ads.
It is not racist to call Cain an Uncle Tom.
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In fact, it is.
ANYTIME a person is slurred with a deragatory demeaning term, based on his race, is by definition, racist. Applies to the Klan when they did it, applies to anyone else, when they do it
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Bah.
Uncle Tom means a certain sort of Black man. Ypu will understand race in this country only if and when you are reincarnated as a Black person.
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You can rationalize and justify yours and Tee's racism, all you want. I'm sure the Klan felt justified as well. FACT remains, ANYTIME a person is slurred with a derogatory demeaning term, based on his race, is by definition, racist.
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Bah.
Uncle Tom means a certain sort of Black man. Ypu will understand race in this country only if and when you are reincarnated as a Black person.
Right ....so does uppity nigger. So maybe Tee should just be honest and call Cain an uppity nigger since that is what he means anyway.
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<<He [LBJ] was referring to Democrats.>>
Yes, and WHO did he think the Democrats were losing the South TO?
<<How was that [Goldwater's Southern Strategy] racist?>>
It aimed to lure racist white Democrats to the GOP based on their disgust with the Dems for passing the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.
<<Most people on welfare are white.>>
But the blacks were disproportionately represented on the welfare rolls. And the "welfare queen" of the inner city is definitely a racist caricature.
<<Al Gore originated [the Willie Horton ads.]>>
What bullshit. Al Gore bbrought up the case in an abstract non-racial manner without personalizing it or even naming Willie Horton, let alone identifying him as a black man, during a debate on prison policy. It was Roger Ailes and the GOP which gave Horton a face (black of course) and engineered the entire GOP advertising campaign built around him on a theme of fear of blacks.
<<How is that [Nixon's war on drugs] racist? Don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.>>
It's racist because it's just an excuse to incarcerate, humiliate and intimidate millions of black youths for a victimless crime akin to drinking or overindulgence in alcohol. It's also blatantly racist in the way it's selectively enforced, as numerous studies have previously determined.
<<Was the owner [of Niggerhead]a Republican?>>
Who gives a shit? It was Perry who used the place and Perry who had no fucking concern at all about the name, till it surfaced as a media issue.
<<Perry's daddy who leased the [Niggerhead] property wasn't [a Republican.]>>
Who gives a shit about the daddy, what's he running for? But sure as hell he was a fucking racist pig and obviously a major source of Perry's racism. The apple don't fall far from the tree.
<<He was saying blacks should think for themselves and act accordingly.>>
That's hilarious. I watched the tape. He was sayinig BLACKS ARE BRAINWASHED,and giving that as the reason they weren't voting GOP. But maybe in your alternative universe, he was saying something else.
<<You are saying blacks shouldn't [think for themselves and act accordingly . . .>>
Still more bullshit. You put words into Cain's mouth, and now you put them in mine. No I did not say blacks shouldn't think for themselves, I said that most of them recognize where their own best interests lie and vote accordingly, i.e., AGAINST the GOP.
<< . . . so who is the racist?>>
Obviously, you and the GOP. Who else?
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Obviously, you and the GOP. Who else?
You
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<<Who else? YOU (are the racist.)>>
Nice try. Lessee, don't have no Southern Strategy, don't call nobody "macaca," don't wish Strom Thurmond had been President, wouldn't even want to be in the same party as Strom Thurmond, don't think the majority of blacks are "brainwashed," don't hesitate to call out an Uncle Tom in front of his racist patrons, don't respond positively to Willie Horton ads and wouldn't seek the support of anyone who did, don't talk about "welfare queens," don't want monuments to Confederate "heroes," don't support public display of Confederate flags, . . .
OK, I give up. I'm a "racist" because . . . ?
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because you slur black men based on the color of their skin.
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beat me to it
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This nonsense where you clowns pass your time trying to bait someone so you can call them a racist is a total waste of time and effort. All I care about with regard to Cain is that he never is in charge of this country, because he is an ignoramus blowhard crackpot. Whether or not he is an Uncle Tom is irrelevant.
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No baiting involved. No one's making you or even prompting you (or Tee) to call anyone by a racial slur. You folks do that all on your own, then try to justify the racial slur. Good luck with that
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And that, sirs, is baiting.
Go suck an egg.
Or if that is not adequate, two eggs.
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This nonsense where you clowns pass your time trying to bait someone so you can call them a racist is a total waste of time and effort. All I care about with regard to Cain is that he never is in charge of this country, because he is an ignoramus blowhard crackpot. Whether or not he is an Uncle Tom is irrelevant.
I noticed you quit calling him an Uncle Tom, Tee just can't face the truth that use of that slur is racist.
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And that, sirs, is baiting.
Can't be baiting, if you have free will. Are you claiming you lack self discipline? self control? I can assure everyone, I have no control over you or your computer, so so much for the baiting deflection. I'll even take a polygraph
Go suck an egg.
Or if that is not adequate, two eggs.
So typical. When on the losing end of an arguement, start hurling the insults. I like my eggs scrambled, by the way, and always have used a fork
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He probably just does it to cheese you off.
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<<He [LBJ] was referring to Democrats.>>
Yes, and WHO did he think the Democrats were losing the South TO?
[/quote] LBJ was wrong wasn't he?
Democrats remained a very strong majority in local and state government for thirty years , voting for Democrats always more than 40% in national elections even still. If the effect of racism is positive for Republicans , then the effect is slow and small.
<<If a white man were to support his race, above all others, he'd be referred to as a racist. Someone that actually doesn't embrace "race 1st", is the embodyment of MLK's dream, where it was character that mattered. Your position equates to the KKK position......just advocating a different color>>
That's not a bad point, but it was already posed by another poster in a different thread, where I answered it.
still waiting for a convincing definition of racismThe true interests of a majority race in a democratic society is not the oppression of other races (which leads only to civil strife)
or several centurys of making moneybut in harmonious and fair relations between the races. Thus a KKK, in seeking continued white supremacy, is actually acting against the interests of the white majority that he claims to be fighting for. The interests of the minority race, of course, is to throw off the last vestiges of racist oppression and speed the day of equality and fairness for all.
This is best done by racist attacks by the minority and its well wishers?
In a somewhat related vein, the so-called "post-racial society" that BT refers to is pure bullshit. There is no such thing as "post-racial society" because racism still exists as a powerful force in U.S. society,
So POWERFULL that it must be veiled in codes so impenitrable that only the very astute can tell it is theremajor guardian of which is now the GOP. Hence, the same phony claims to a post-racial society are part of the same propaganda offensive in which Uncle Toms like the Herminator .................................
It may be hard for you to face the truth, but you are promoting division with racism, working against the promotion of a man because of his race and useing terms that are not coded racism , they are blatant racism.
Going strictly by your words here,The truth is that there is no reasonable definition of "racist" that would leave you out.
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<<because you slur black men based on the color of their skin. >>
And THAT, my friends, is the exact equivalent of claiming that a Nazi collaborator is "slurred" on the basis of his nationality simply for choosing to go against his country's interests and supporting the occupiers. Does he not have free will to choose to support the Nazis, the oppressors of his own people? Surely all Norwegians don't have to fall into lock-step with the anti-Nazi resistance. They can think for themselves. This one did. But here is Tee slandering him for his choice of pro-Naziism where the rest of his group are anti-Nazi. Tee can't stand it that a Norwegian dares to think for himself, yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on.
You guys are sucked into crazy thinking because you can't stand that your own Uncle Toms are called out for betraying blacks to the racist GOP. You enlist sophistry but don't get that the people you are trying your sophistry on are just too smart to fall for any of it. The real racists remain as they always were, you and the GOP and the antiracists as they always were, XO and I.
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Bah.
Uncle Tom means a certain sort of Black man. Ypu will understand race in this country only if and when you are reincarnated as a Black person.
Is something like that how you acheived your understanding?
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He probably just does it to cheese you off.
Well the point of the Saloon is supposed to be debate, thrashing the dead horse within an inch of its life.
But sometimes you have to settle for merely getting someones goat.
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<<So POWERFULL that it must be veiled in codes so impenitrable that only the very astute can tell it is there>>
Any moron can read the codes. They exist to provide a degree of social acceptability to the users, not to hide their message from ordinary Americans.
I chose to answer only the most egregiously absurd point in the above post, as I suddenly realized that I could spend the rest of my life answering these ludicrous allegations and still have to deal with more and more racist bullshit. Fortunately, as it turns out, I have better things to do with my time, so I am leaving the last word on the subject to the real racists, which I should have done the very first time I was accused by racists of racism.
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<<So POWERFULL that it must be veiled in codes so impenitrable that only the very astute can tell it is there>>
Any moron can read the codes. They exist to provide a degree of social acceptability to the users, not to hide their message from ordinary Americans.
I chose to answer only the most egregiously absurd point in the above post, as I suddenly realized that I could spend the rest of my life answering these ludicrous allegations and still have to deal with more and more racist bullshit. Fortunately, as it turns out, I have better things to do with my time, so I am leaving the last word on the subject to the real racists, which I should have done the very first time I was accused by racists of racism.
Apparently I have your goat.
do not worry , your goat will be well treated.
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<<If a white man were to support his race, above all others, he'd be referred to as a racist. Someone that actually doesn't embrace "race 1st", is the embodyment of MLK's dream, where it was character that mattered. Your position equates to the KKK position......just advocating a different color>>
That's not a bad point, but it was already posed by another poster in a different thread, where I answered it. .... In a somewhat related vein, the so-called "post-racial society" that BT refers to is pure bullshit. There is no such thing as "post-racial society" because racism still exists as a powerful force in U.S. society, major guardian of which is now the GOP. Hence, the same phony claims to a post-racial society are part of the same propaganda offensive in which Uncle Toms like the Herminator .................................
It may be hard for you to face the truth, but you are promoting division with racism, working against the promotion of a man because of his race and useing terms that are not coded racism , they are blatant racism.
Going strictly by your words here,The truth is that there is no reasonable definition of "racist" that would leave you out.
No truer words Plane. *golf clap*