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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Religious Dick on June 10, 2012, 12:31:21 PM
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I found this to be a fascinating read - but it's way too long to post here....
A Growing Body Of Evidence Suggests Watergate Was A Setup To Nail Nixon
Russ Baker, WhoWhatWhy |
Family of Secrets
Chapter 10: Downing Nixon: The Setup
Who Will Rid Me of This Troublesome Priest?
ascribed to Henry II
On June 17, 1972, a group of burglars, carrying electronic surveillance
equipment, was arrested inside the Democratic National
Committee offices at 2650 Virginia Avenue, NW, in Washington,
D.C., the Watergate building complex. The men were quickly identified as
having ties to the Nixon reelection campaign and to the White House.
Though at the time the incident got little attention, it would snowball into
one of the biggest crises in American political history, define Richard Nixon
forever, and drive him out of the White House.
Most historical accounts judge Nixon responsible in some way for the
Watergate burglary?or at least for an effort to cover it up. And many people
believe Nixon got what he deserved.
But like other epic events, Watergate turns out to be an entirely different
story than the one we thought we knew.
Read more: http://whowhatwhy.com/2012/05/08/watergate-revelations-the-coup-against-nixon-part-2-of-3/#ixzz1xP9bKbk8 (http://whowhatwhy.com/2012/05/08/watergate-revelations-the-coup-against-nixon-part-2-of-3/#ixzz1xP9bKbk8)
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It is kinda interesting, but my patience ran out at about half way.
If there is not proof of all these connections , how to know ,how many are real?
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Nixon got exactly what he deserved. Too bad he didn't take that damned Kissinger down with him.
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If Nixon was a patsy for Watergate, how is it he got what he deserved?
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I found this to be a fascinating read -
It was....I have read most of it thus far....I wouldn't doubt it was a set-up at all.
Nixon did a lot of good....ended war in Viet Nam, opened door to China,
ended the draft, responsible for the Environmental Protection Agency, ect.....
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Nixon falsely claimed to have a secret plan" for "peace with honor". He kept on fighting the war until the day he resigned. The war did not end until Ford was president.
He would be a liberal by the standards of the current GOP. But Watergate was done to manipulate the election. Nixon was a traitor to the Constitution.
Kissinger continued to screw things up even after Nixon was evicted.
Thanks to him, we got the Iran hostage crisis, and the Vietnam war was prolonged for several years more than it had to be.
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.................., and the Vietnam war was prolonged for several years more than it had to be.
Do you believe that he could have ordered the war over at any time?
Next time you are in a duel to the death with hammers and knives, try calling it off without completion, a war is even moreso deep involvement, calling an end to it is only easy in the imagination.
Thanks to him, we got the Iran hostage crisis,.....
I think you have an error in timeline there.
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Nixon falsely claimed to have a secret plan" for "peace with honor". He kept on fighting the war until the day he resigned. The war did not end until Ford was president. Kissinger continued to screw things up....
Unlike Democrat LBJ who had greatly increased US Troop levels in Viet Nam, after President Nixon took office he began to reduce US Troop levels in Vietnam. Every year of the Nixon Presidency US Troop levels in Viet Nam greatly declined. Nixon upheld his promise to "Bring the Troops Home".
On January 15 1973, President Nixon announced the suspension of offensive action against North Vietnam. The Paris Peace Accords on "Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam" were signed on January 27, 1973, officially ending direct U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. A cease-fire was declared across North and South Vietnam. U.S. POWs were released.
BTW....Secretary of State Henry Kissenger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in ending the war.
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Kissinger was a vile example of a manipulator. His treachery was revealed when he talked Carter into keeping a full staff at the Iranian Embassy. The crisis meant that Iranian oil production was cut, then there was the Iran-Iraq War, whuich made for much higher profits for Exxon. Kissinger has always been a flunky for Rockefeller and Exxon.
Nixon lied about his secret plan: he had no plan.
The departure from Vietnam should have been completed by 1970. Thanks to Nixon, it took another six years.
Nixon should never have been elected to anything. As Kurt Vonnegut said, "The Founding Fathers never anticipated that the people would elect someone who hated them so much."
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Nixon was a traitor to the Constitution.
As is Obama on many issues,
including his Justice Department about to be possibly be held "In Contempt".
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The departure from Vietnam should have been completed by 1970. Thanks to Nixon, it took another six years.
No thanks to Democrat LBJ and his disgraceful escalation of a war he was in private
stating was not winnable. To continue to escalate and send tens of thousands of
more young US boys to die in something he personally believed was not winnable
has to go down as one of the most shameful deeds of any US President in history.
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Since Nixon also knew the war was unwinnable, he was every bit as reprehensible.
There was NO REASON to prolong it for six more years.
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Since Nixon also knew the war was unwinnable, he was every bit as reprehensible.
#1. Can you source Nixon saying it was un-winnable like we can Johnson who continued to send more and more troops.
#2. Nixon did not increase troops like LBJ, in fact he did just the opposite and brought the troops home just as he said he would.
Democrat Johnson is/was a disgrace with blood on his hands.
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Everyone knew the Vietnam War was unwinnable unless nukes were used.
Johnson and Nixon were both equally guilty. There were the same number of casualties during both terms. JFK would probably have done the same as LBJ did. There was his "pay any price, bear any burden" bit in his Inaugural address. A truly stupid remark from anyone ruling a country with a scant 6% of the global population.
LBJ learned that the war was unwinnable after it had been going on for several years. Nixon surely knew it from the start. Both tried to keep this a secret from the people and the troops. It was a horrible mistake, but both men refused to accept defeat. Of course, a defeat in Vietnam was pretty much meaningless to the US
The entire mess started with the Dulles Brothers, after WWII. They wanted to restore the French colonial system, in direct violation of the UN Charter.
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Johnson and Nixon were both equally guilty.
You logic is insane. It was under Democrat LBJ that the U.S. escalated the conflict to a full scale war, it was under President Nixon that the US began reducing US troop involvement. Reality is what it is no matter how you try to rewrite history. Johnson increased US troops every year, Nixon reduced US troops every year. Nixon ended the war and Democrat Johnson expanded US troop involvement in the war. Johnson basically was scared shitless to run again exactly because what he did in Viet Nam, Nixon on the other hand was re-elected in part because the American People could see the progress he was making in ending JFK/LBJ's created full scale war in Viet Nam.
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What happened was that LBJ realized after the Tet offensive that he could no longer get the troops to fight the stupid war. They had to draft six or seven boys to get one soldier, and enlistments were plummenting.
Nixon had no choice but to "Vietnamize" the war. Johnson simply did not wish to preside over a defeat. Nixon was stuck with the same problem, but by the time he took over, there was a shortage of gung-ho yokels that would willingly enlist or allow themselves to be drafted.
Nixon knew he could not escalate the war, because it would become obvious that would be draftees would have to be arrested and impressed by force into the military. That would have revealed a major weakness to the entire world. I had dozens of friends who said they would prefer jail or permanent exile in Canada to fighting a useless and unwinnable war in Vietnam.
Nixon could have ended the war by 1970 or earlier, with no worse results than the rather humiliating rout that happened. Everyone who died in Vietnam died for no good reason, and both LBJ and Nixon were responsible. But Nixon was elected because he claimed he had a "special plan", which was a lie, and he was impeached and out of office by the time the war was over.
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Your arguement, specifically the rant aimed at Nixon is so bogus, basing it on what Nixon "could have done". Under the same paramenters Obama obviously "Iraquized" the war, since he could have had troops out by the end of his 1st year. Guess what?, we still have troops there, so per your paramenters, Obama is just as responsible as Bush. So where's your wrath aimed at Obama??
I hope the coolaide is tasty, at least
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The US had hundreds of thousands of troops in Vietnam and they were getting killed up until the very end.
We never had anywhere near the number in Iraq, and Americans troops are not dying at any serious rate in Iraq.
Iraq COULD be a danger to the US. A Communist Vietnam was never any threat to Americans except those troops stationed in the area.
Iraq and Vietnam are NOT comparable, other than both were mongered stupidly.
Comparing Obama with Nixon is stupid: comparing Obama with what McCain would have done differently is the only thing that makes sense here.
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yeah SIRS the guy (LBJ) that increased the troops and the guy (Nixon) that brought the troops home are equally at fault!
LOL....it's such a joy forcing liberals to take such insane positions to connect their kooky dots.
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Nixon had no choice but to reduce the number of troops. It was forced upon him by necessity. Had Humphrey been elected, I am pretty sure he would have ended the involvement sooner. Lots of people made tons of money supplying stuff for that war, and many supported Nixon. In the 1968 election, the Democrats were the peace party, the Republicans were the war party,
Humphrey & Muskie came within 1% of Nixon & Agnew, with Wallace & LeMay getting 13% of the popular vote.
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Nixon had no choice but to reduce the number of troops.
Nixon campaigned to end the war....quit trying to rewrite history so that you can spew your hatred.
President Nixon never stated he had a "secret plan" that was a reporters words.
LBJ had 500,000 US Troops in Viet Nam when Nixon took over the LBJ Nightmare.
President Nixon brought about the end of American Viet Nam war involvement.
That is factual history. Your spin does not and can not change history.
Humphrey & Muskie came within 1% of Nixon & Agnew, with Wallace & LeMay getting 13% of the popular vote.
If's and buts to connect the kooky dots!
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Nixon had no choice but to reduce the number of troops. It was forced upon him by necessity. Had Humphrey been elected, I am pretty sure he would have ended the involvement sooner. Lots of people made tons of money supplying stuff for that war, and many supported Nixon. In the 1968 election, the Democrats were the peace party, the Republicans were the war party,
You are just making this up. Humphrey was an LBJ surrogate. And where do you get that it took 6-7 draftees to make one soldier. You either had a deferment, declared yourself gay, went to Canada or did your time. If you had a deferment you weren't drafted. Your numbers don't add up with what i saw.
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You saw people running off to Canada? A lot of draftees simply took off. There were plenty of places to hide, and the government could not use the cops for a big round up because it would have revealed the huge difficulty they were having.
The government never admitted that they could not manage to draft enough soldiers, because it was seen as a matter of national security, though surely the Russians knew about it. Nixon was no capable of maintaining the huge number of troops that LBJ had, and was forced to "Vietnamize".
Humphrey clearly split from LBJ and was dedicated to end the war as soon as possible.
Nixon claimed to have a plan and refused to reveal what it was. That is why they called it a "secret plan".
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You saw people running off to Canada? A lot of draftees simply took off.
That certainly isn't what i saw in Atlanta. Where would they go? Who would hire them. Draft Status was that days version of today's e-Verify.
If Humphrey was such an anti-war guy why didn't he break with LBJ and show solidarity with the anti-war demonstrators in Chicago. He didn't because he needed LBJ's support in a brokered convention. Did Humphrey even win a primary? Or did he usurp Kennedy and McCarthy support because he had the support of LBJ.
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Nixon claimed to have a plan and refused to reveal what it was. That is why they called it a "secret plan".
Nixon NEVER stated he had "a secret plan".
That's Leftwing crap....more fantasy land to connect the kooky dots.
New York Times: "Actually, "secret plan" wasn't Nixon's term;
a reporter on deadline used it as he covered Nixon's speech"
promising quick victory in that vastly unpopular war.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/opinion/20iht-edwells.3229758.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/opinion/20iht-edwells.3229758.html)
George Mason University:
"Nixon never said he had a secret plan to end the war in Vietnam"
http://hnn.us/node/52103 (http://hnn.us/node/52103)
Wikepedia
In the 1968 Presidential campaign, Richard Nixon stated that "new leadership will end the war" in Vietnam. He never used the phrase "secret plan", which originated with a reporter looking for a lead to a story summarizing the Republican candidate's (hazy) promise to end the war without losing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_promise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_promise)
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What Nixon did promise:
"I pledge to you that we shall have an honorable end to the war in Vietnam."
Peace with honor
no secret plan
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What happened was that LBJ realized after the Tet offensive that he could no longer get the troops to fight the stupid war.
There is really no reason to think this.
The Tet Offensive was a big looser for the North Vietnasmeese and an even bigger loss for the Southern VietCong.
The Battle of the Bulge went better,for the Germans . than Tet went for the NVietnameese.
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Iraq COULD be a danger to the US. A Communist Vietnam was never any threat to Americans except those troops stationed in the area.
Ummmm........all this time I thought the left made it clear that Iraq was absolutely no danger to the U.S. Bush lied, people died, and all that bogus crap. Now all of a sudden, they COULD be a danger to the U.S.??
Iraq and Vietnam are NOT comparable, other than both were mongered stupidly.
Doesn't matter scope. Per your parameters, President Obama is just as equal as President Bush in blame for Iraq, since he could have brought all troops back, per his pledge, within his 1st year, just as President Nixon is just as equal to President LBJ in blame
Comparing Obama with Nixon is stupid: comparing Obama with what McCain would have done differently is the only thing that makes sense here.
McCain was never president, so it makes no sense
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Comparing Obama with Nixon is stupid: comparing Obama with what McCain would have done differently is the only thing that makes sense here.
McCain was never president, so it makes no sense
That BHO comes off poorly in comparison to RMN is telling a lot .
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Iraq as a haven for Al Qaeda, AFTER the government was brought down by the invasion did pose a danger to the US. Vietnam posed none.
The US departure from Vietnam was NOT "Peace with Honor". It was a humiliating rout. It is hard to imagine that a better rout in 1972 would have been so humiliating. And even had it been thus, around 20,000 Americans and many more Vietnamese would have been alive.
Nixon was a lying fraud all his career. Of course, today, he would be regarded as a LIBERAL RINO lying fraud for his policies. We know he was a racist, as he said so in those tapes.
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We know he was a racist, as he said so in those tapes.
"Son, when I appoint a nigger to the court, I want everyone to know he's a nigger".
Democrat Civil Rights "Hero" LBJ on Thurgood Marshall
"I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One
Ronald Kessler's "Inside The White House"
"These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference."
LBJ
Ronald Kessler's: "Inside The White House"
President Lyndon Johnson using the "N" word
President Lyndon Johnson using the "N" word. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms#)
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LBJ pronounced it "nigra", as did everyone in Texas in those days. It did not become a taboo word until later.
In any case, LBJ did more for Black people than any president since Lincoln.
Claiming that LBJ was a racist does not mean that Nixon was not a racist. either.
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Comparing Obama with Nixon is stupid: comparing Obama with what McCain would have done differently is the only thing that makes sense here.
McCain was never president, so it makes no sense
That BHO comes off poorly in comparison to RMN is telling a lot .
Indeed