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Title: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
...if folks like Xo, H, and Bsb could make a concerted effort, at leat thru the weekend, that when responding, to avoid the 3rd grade namecalling, insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts, as the crux of that response.  This is a debate forum, and disagreement is a part of humanity.  We're not going to see eye to eye on many levels.  If we don't agree, please make an effort to indicate why, & not just that you think yourself smarter, and that should be the end of that. 

And if you don't think that message of why is getting thru, by all means, agree to disagree, and let's move on.  I'll endavor to do the same, ..... as long as its being recipricated

Is that doable?  Are we mature enough?
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Plane on November 22, 2012, 02:14:57 PM
Is one upmanship still allowable?

I would miss that.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 02:16:41 PM
Sure....minus the 3rd grade namecalling, insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts     8)
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 22, 2012, 04:24:58 PM
...if folks like Xo, H, and Bsb could make a concerted effort, at leat thru the weekend, that when responding, to avoid the 3rd grade namecalling, insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts, as the crux of that response...

Really? i haven't posted in what, two days now? Have I not made it abundantly clear I am fed up with your crap and have no wish to waste any more time wirh you? But here you go, calling me out yet again...

Sorry S, go stuff youself.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 04:39:22 PM
That's one apparently not mature enough.  Yo H, why the hostility?  I wasn't calling anyone out.  Last I saw, you were beginning to adopt the xo-school of debate.  I was hoping that for the Thanksgiving holidays we (as in me as well) could all try to do a little better.  Apparently that's asking too much of you.  By all means, move on, and take your non-sensical "calling you out" cry-baby crap with you
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Plane on November 22, 2012, 04:50:46 PM
When someone offers an olive branch one should....

A) Snatch that branch and smack them gormless.
B)Refuse because of an allergy to olives.
C)Accept truce for the value it has as truce.
D)Ignore it , who needs olive branch?
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 04:54:11 PM
I tried
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 22, 2012, 05:01:00 PM
Bullshit.

You dragged my name into the conversation for no reason. All you 'tried' was to provoke a response. You got one. You can drop it, or live with it.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 05:10:15 PM
Bullshit.

Nope, 100% sincere.  Contrary to popular opinion, you have no fricken clue as to what I'm thinking or what my intentions are.   


You dragged my name into the conversation for no reason.  

Nope.....it was referenced due to your last bit of xo-like ranting, which you still seem to be possessed with.  It was a hope to return us back into a more postive path of debating/dialoguing.


All you 'tried' was to provoke a response. You got one. You can drop it, or live with it.

Nothing provoked, as you could have simply not-responded.....it's all in your imagination, based on your ongoing erroneous conclusions of what I'm supposed to be like......ie some polar opposite of Xo, drinking a different color coolaide.  It was merely a request for mutual civility.  You apparently can't be bothered with such, so move along, and take the cry-baby crap with, if you don't mind.  You missed your window of opportunity
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 22, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
More bullshit.

100% sincere bullshit.

You could have just shut the fuck up and left me out of it, but noooooooooooooooooooo, and BSB as well since according to BT he has apparently left the forum again. But you just can't resist trying to get a dig in and pull more of your crap. Well you did, so live with it asswipe. I tried being nice and all it gets is more Sirs crap. I'm fed up with it, and hadn't planned to bother with it anymore, but I'll be glad from now on to call you the asshole you are. You brought it on yourself.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
More bullshit.

100% sincere bullshit.

On your end perhaps


You could have just shut the fuck up and left me out of it

Yea, and the ongoing misconstrued misplaced hostility would have remained.  I even with the extra 9yards to explain and answer your last set of questions, before you then stomped off.  The effort here was.....hold your breath.....to try to be nice, to try and make an effort of let's all try to do a little better....at least thru the holiday weekend.  To offer that olive branch.  But noooooooooooooooooooo, apparently that was just too damn hard.  Please, take the cry baby crap elsewere.  It's getting stagnantly old now



Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Plane on November 22, 2012, 05:41:51 PM
Well there is us all over.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 22, 2012, 05:47:35 PM
Screw you, asshole.

Contrary to popular opinion, you have no fricken clue as to what I'm thinking or what my intentions are.

What have I been telling you for so long? You have constantly and consistently ignored what i've told you and assigned me thoughts and motives that are not my own. You have tried to put words into my mouth that i have not said, and shown i have not said. Yet you call me a crybaby, then try to use the same reasoning? You're a piece of shit, Sirs, and I have no problem pointing that out. You  brought me into this discussion for no reason, you dragged my name into it when you could have simply left me the fuck out of it and gone on in peace with your bullshit with the rest in here, but you don't have enough fucking sense to let sleeping dogs lie. So, you fucking hypocrite, bring it.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 06:01:32 PM
Contrary to popular opinion, you have no fricken clue as to what I'm thinking or what my intentions are.

What have I been telling you for so long? You have constantly and consistently ignored what i've told you and assigned me thoughts and motives that are not my own.

Yea, that's why you keep claiming my effort at being civil, offering an olive branch, in the hopes of all of us trying to do a little better, is supposedly some 100% BS, because of course, you're not attributing what my real intentions are apparently supposed to be    ::)

I guess I'm really thankful that I'm not so bitter, hyper-defensive, and close minded as some others around these parts
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 22, 2012, 06:10:10 PM
You want to offer an olive branch? Offer it to someone who is actually here and posting. There was no reason to drag me or BSB into it. None. Other than to provoke a reaction.

Like I said, you can drop it or deal with it. Leave me out of it, completely, or live with the consequences.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: BT on November 22, 2012, 06:14:00 PM
Bear,  I don't think Sirs is aware of what he does, when he does it.

Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: BT on November 22, 2012, 06:16:46 PM
Oh and so there is no case of misunderstanding, BSB left the forum of his own free will as is his history.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 22, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Maybe someone should make him aware. I prefer to ignore him; I've tried and the effort has been wasted. But if he wants to keep dragging me in, I'll be glad to tear into him. There's always hope it might sink in, someday.

And I know about BSB, I did not think you had booted him.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 22, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
You want to offer an olive branch? Offer it to someone who is actually here and posting. There was no reason to drag me or BSB into it. None. Other than to provoke a reaction.

Like I said, you can drop it or deal with it. Leave me out of it, completely, or live with the consequences.

I think I'll offer it to those that it would have been appropriate to offer it to.....i.e. the ones who would tend to respond, when they do, with insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts, as the crux of that response.  Your current examples a plenty, not to mention I have no fricken clue as to yours or bsb's intentions to post or run

Like I said, a sincere window of opportunity was presented, and you decided to throw a chair through it.  Bravo

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and for Bt........whatever "what he does" is supposed to mean.  Is that the part, exemplified by the 2 of you espousing what you think I mean, so many times, despite clear words & explanation to the contrary?

In any case, I made a sincere effort, and it was apparently trashed.  Back to status quo, I guess   *sigh*

Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 22, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
More bullshit.

I think I'll offer it to those that it would have been appropriate to offer it to.....i.e. the ones who would tend to respond, when they do, with insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts, as the crux of that response.

Like I said, BSB is gone, BT pointed that out a couple of days ago. I generally don't get pissed enough to go on a rant until have been pushed far enough, and even then I had not posted in two days and made it clear then I wanted nothing else else to do with you. There was no reason for you to mention either of us in your post other than you just can't let go. And no reason to keep coming back to the subject except for the same.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Plane on November 22, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/works/to_a_louse/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/works/to_a_louse/)

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Plane on November 22, 2012, 06:52:38 PM
...if folks like Xo, H, and Bsb could make a concerted effort, at leat thru the weekend, that when responding, to avoid the 3rd grade namecalling, insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts, as the crux of that response.  This is a debate forum, and disagreement is a part of humanity.  We're not going to see eye to eye on many levels.  If we don't agree, please make an effort to indicate why, & not just that you think yourself smarter, and that should be the end of that. 

And if you don't think that message of why is getting thru, by all means, agree to disagree, and let's move on.  I'll endavor to do the same, ..... as long as its being recipricated

Is that doable?  Are we mature enough?

Can a redo be done?

This is basicly a good idea , and I bet Sirs , did not mean to seem accusing.

IF  one can note , he did not leaqve himself out of the promise to improve.

If this were said
Quote
...if folks like we are could make a concerted effort, at leat thru the weekend, that when responding, to avoid the 3rd grade namecalling, insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts, as the crux of that response.  This is a debate forum, and disagreement is a part of humanity.  We're not going to see eye to eye on many levels.  If we don't agree, please make an effort to indicate why, & not just that you think yourself smarter, and that should be the end of that. 

And if you don't think that message of why is getting thru, by all means, agree to disagree, and let's move on.  I'll endavor to do the same, ..... as long as its being recipricated

Is that doable?  Are we mature enough?
Any of us could have said it.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Plane on November 22, 2012, 07:02:00 PM
Bear,  I don't think Sirs is aware of what he does, when he does it.


Eh , who does?

I plead for tolerance .

With the potential for reciprocation.

After all, irritation is frequently mutual.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 23, 2012, 01:29:54 AM
I think I'll offer it to those that it would have been appropriate to offer it to.....i.e. the ones who would tend to respond, when they do, with insults, slurs, snarks, and degradation efforts, as the crux of that response.

Like I said, BSB is gone, BT pointed that out a couple of days ago.

Did I see/read ANYTHING to that reference or specificity?  Was there an announcement made of required reading, I missed? That would be a no


I generally don't get pissed enough to go on a rant until have been pushed far enough, and even then I had not posted in two days and made it clear then I wanted nothing else else to do with you.

No, you got your hand caught in the rhetorical cookie jar, and instead of manning up, went on on some xo-like rant.  You had no obligation to make any response to this thread.  You weren't goaded into anything or "provoked" in any way.  The fact you did, actually helps buttress the original point that was made.

You were wrong H, on so many levels, last of which was you thinking my original post was some sinister provocation post, when it was precisely the polar opposite.  You read into it, what you wanted to, nothing more.  And ironically got caught doing the exact same thing you keep claiming I do, as it relates to assigning alterior motives to my post.

The reason both of you were referenced is PRECISELY hi-lighted by your tantrum here.  An effort to try and improve all of our responses and improve the stature of debate around here.  If you didn't want to make the effort, you merely had to not respond, and that'd be the end of it.   But nooooooooooo, you had to go piss all over that effort as well, ironically helping to reinforce why I attempted to improve the tone in here, at the beginning of the thread.

Like I said, Bravo
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 23, 2012, 02:58:43 AM
Bring it, boy. I keep giving you chances to drop it, and you just keep chugging right along. God, you are so fucking stupid.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 23, 2012, 03:02:47 AM
Plane, your attempts at peacemaking are laudable, but until this smarmy little shit takes the opportunity to leave me the fuck alone and quit mentioning me in his posts, it ain't gonna happen. I'm tired of his bullshit, and I tried to just walk away, but he just can't seem to drop it. My patience has run out.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 23, 2012, 03:27:12 AM
Wrong, on so many levels.  Like I said, I guess I'm really thankful that I'm not so bitter, hyper-defensive, and close minded as some others around these parts.   The irony here is H's commending Plane for trying to do precisely what I tried to do. 
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 23, 2012, 04:58:42 AM
Bullshit. Plane didn't drag me into it by name. You did, for no reason other than to get a response. You got it. The choice is still yours whether to STFU and leave me out of it, or continue.

Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 23, 2012, 05:22:02 AM
Again, wrong on so many levels

For someone who prides themself in supposed logic & objectivity, you are sorely lacking in any as of late.  My "reason" has already been explained.  It's not Plane, or Cu4, or Bt, or even Miss Kim, or Miss Henny, or Miss De, or anyone else for that matter that has downgraded their debate and responses into xo-like rants.  You disagree with what I say, fine, disagree.  You want to demonstrate why?, excellent, go for it.  You want to ignore my responses altogether?, no skin off my back.  You want to sink to gradeschool insults & namecalling?, fine, you can do that as well. 

You want to try and claim my sincere request for a better debating effort, by all parties is supposedly BS, based on nothing more than I mentioned those who have been demonstrating such gutter-like responses, as of late?  You're going to get called on it.  And if you keep pushing that erroneous garbage, that I only wanted to get some "response out of you" with this thread, you're going to continue to be called on it

Your choice
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 23, 2012, 06:50:28 AM
Bring it, you little piece of shit.

There was no reason to name BSB, who is gone, or me, who had no desire to interract with you whatsoever, except provocation. You can make claims to the contrary all you want, all it shows is you are a lying piece of shit. And I'll keep pointing that out as long as you keep up your bullshit.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on November 23, 2012, 09:34:07 AM
Are you mature enough to stop being an insufferable prick?

I agree with BT, sirs does not know what a totally illogical deliberately annoying asswipe he is.  He is compelled by some strange force to be insulting even if one says something he agrees with.

One does not learn anything from sirs. sirs has no opinions of his own, they are all swiped(poorly) from Faux and Beckerwoods. It is futile to even try to discuss anything with him.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 23, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
Bring it, you little piece of shit.

Bring what on.......that you're wrong?  That you keep embracing this xo-like gutter talk?


There was no reason to name BSB,

Sure there was, since I have no idea of Bsb's plans, intentions, or status here in the saloon.  Why you keep inferring that I did is......well another example of why I made the original suggestion, in the beginning


or me, who had no desire to interract with you whatsoever

Nor can I or even remotely think I could either read your mind or divine your true intentions, or "desire".  You could have simply not responded and this thread would have never gone beyond page 1


, except provocation.

What I can do is keep demonstrated how twisted you are in trying to claim my sole purpose of this thread was to generate some provocative response, when it was 180 degrees NOT the intention.  You read into it, what you wanted to, nothing more.  You provided yet another example of doing precisely what you keep claiming I do.  And in the process, you're making yourself look smaller and smaller with each effort to try and irrationalize what never was.

Keep digging....oh, and keep up the 3rd game name calling



Are you mature enough to stop being an insufferable prick?

In addressing the original request for some improved civility, it would seem xo, not surprisingly has remained true to form, and provided his own piss on it.  As I said, I tried, Plane.  Messers H and Xo were not going to have any of it



Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on November 23, 2012, 11:39:28 AM
sirs will never change.He has an obviously warped personality and a feeble ego he thinks he needs to bolster by poorly quoting imbecilic ratbag right wing claptrap over and over and OVER.

Immaturity only explains a small portion of his insecurity and inability to think or express himself coherently.

Basically, his plea is "stop insulting me,and I will continue being an insufferable snide prick."
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 23, 2012, 12:19:40 PM
Your ongoing immature response, to the contrary of what was hoped for in this thread, is duly noted
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 23, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
And your constant bullshit about your intentions are duly noted, asswipe.

I made my intentions perfectly clear to anyone with more than shit for brains.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 23, 2012, 01:51:12 PM
Wash, rinse, repeat (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/i-would-be-thankful/msg146861/#msg146861)
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on November 23, 2012, 02:03:33 PM

Your ongoing immature response, to the contrary of what was hoped for in this thread, is duly noted

=============================================
Every time I read this drivel from sirs,I am reminded of the dialogue between Dr. Zhivago and the commissar after Zhivago gives a diagnosis of cholera of a dead resident.

The commissar says, "does that please, you, comrade doctor?"
"No" of course not, says Yuri,"It pleases me that you admit it."
"Your comments have been noted, comrade, oh,yes they have".

I am waiting for half brother Yevgraf to pop in, snap his fingers and set sirs a-scampering. Oh, yes,  I am.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 23, 2012, 02:09:16 PM
And everytime Xo claims sirs types drivel, Xo tops it with yet more drivel    :o
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: Plane on November 23, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
I am mildly frustrated.

The signal to noise ratio has gone into the useless range.

I have to admit helplessness and ignorance , I only wish I knew what words would lead to tolerance.

But I am not internalising this frustration, it is outside myself.

Inside myself I know that tolerance is putting up with something that I do not like.

There is no such thing as intolerance nor tolerance for things that one does like.

So here I am , your humble paragon of tolerance.

Reading this noise.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: hnumpah on November 23, 2012, 11:56:55 PM
I've been tolerant.

I've been patient.

I've run out of both as far as Sirs is concerned.

I've told him how to end it.

Look to him for the solution.

Otherwise I'm happy to keep it up.
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: sirs on November 24, 2012, 12:06:23 AM
And look to me to keep pointing out the error in H's predisposition.  And here I thought, even hoped, Plane had nicely ended it....but nooooooooo, H's ego needed another crack.  You and xo long pissed away the point of the thread's true intention.  The solution here is to grasp you were wrong, H.  Simple as that.  When, or I guess I should say if, that happens, it ends.  Or simply not responding, as you could have done page 1, it ends

Continuing to cry something that never was, doesn't/won't

Ball in your court
Title: Re: I would be thankful...
Post by: BT on November 24, 2012, 12:11:21 AM
I'm not sure Bear was wrong, and i'm not sure you realize why he isn't wrong.

Somewhere in this thread Plane did a rewrite of your original post. I suggest you read it, perhaps reread it, and then sit back and think about it.

Meanwhile this thread is closed.