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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on February 07, 2013, 05:01:08 PM
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As per Xo's and Bsb's references in the need to disarm folks, comes the latest in CA
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Officials hunt for ex-cop in shootings of 3 officers; 1 killed
A massive manhunt was underway Thursday morning for an ex-Los Angeles Police Department officer suspected of shooting three police officers early Thursday, one fatally. He is also a suspect in the shooting of a couple in Irvine over the weekend.
The suspect wrote an online manifesto on his Facebook page, threatening to harm police officials and their families, law enforcement sources said.
The three shootings early Thursday morning occurred in Riverside County.
One LAPD officer was grazed in the Corona area, law enforcement sources said. Then sometime later, two Riverside Police Department officers were shot in Riverside. One of those officers died, sources said. That shooting occurred at Magnolia and Arlington avenues. The officers were taken to Riverside Community Hospital.
Officials warned that the suspect, Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33. is armed and dangerous. Law enforcement sources said police have placed security at the homes of LAPD officials named in the online documents and believe that Dorner has numerous weapons.
Ex-LAPD officer threatened to kill in online manifesto
Hundreds of officers were swarming around the Riverside shooting scene looking for the gunman.
The California Highway Patrol issued a "blue alert" to law enforcement:
*THE SUSPECT IS CONSIDERED ARMED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS*
A BLUE ALERT HAS BEEN ACTIVATED IN THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES: KERN, SANTA BARBARA, VENTURA, LOS ANGELES, SAN BERNARDINO, ORANGE, RIVERSIDE, SAN DIEGO, AND IMPERIAL.
ON FEBRUARY 7, 2013, AT APPROXIMATELY 0122 HOURS, THE SUSPECT WAS INVOLVED IN MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS WITH MULTIPLE AGENCIES IN THE RIVERSIDE CHP AREA.
THE SUSPECT IS CHRISTOPHER JORDAN DORNER, A 33 YEAR OLD, BLACK MALE, 6 FEET TALL, 270 POUNDS, WITH BLACK HAIR, BROWN EYES, WITH AN UNKNOWN CLOTHING DESCRIPTION.
THE SUSPECT WAS LAST SEEN DRIVING A 2005 BLUE OR GRAY NISSAN TITAN, WITH A CA LICENSE PLATE OF 8D83987 or 7X09131 - THE SUSPECT MAY BE SWTICHING BETWEEN THE TWO LICENSE PLATES.
THE VEHICLE ALSO HAS SKI RACKS ON ITS ROOF.
Irvine police Wednesday night named Dorner as the suspect in the double slaying in the parking lot of an upscale Irvine apartment complex Sunday.
In the online postings, Dorner specifically named the father of Monica Quan, the Cal State Fullerton assistant basketball coach who was found dead Sunday, along with her fiance, Keith Lawrence.
Her father, Randy Quan, a retired LAPD captain, was involved in the review process that ultimately led to Dorner's dismissal.
Ex-LAPD cop tried to steal boat, flee to Mexico, authorities say
A former U.S. Navy reservist, Dorner was fired in 2009 for allegedly making false statements about his training officer.
Dorner said in his online postings that being a police officer had been his life's ambition since he served in the Police Explorers program. Now that had been taken away from him, he said, and he suffered from severe depression and was filled with rage over the people who forced him from his job.
Dorner complained that Quan and others did not fairly represent him at the review hearing.
"Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over. Suppressing the truth will lead to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep," he wrote, referring to Quan and several others.
"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours," he added.
The online postings indicated that Quan served as Dorner's representative at the review hearing.
Of Quan, Dorner wrote: “He doesn't work for you, your interest, or your name. He works for the department, period. His job is to protect the department from civil lawsuits being filed and their best interest which is the almighty dollar. His loyalty is to the department, not his client.”
In the document, he threatens violence against other police officers.
“The violence of action will be high. ... I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty,” Dorner wrote.
In his postings, Dorner seemed to allude to the Irvine slaying.
“I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days,” he wrote.
“Unfortunately,” he added, “this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name.”
Quan, 28, and Lawrence, 27, had recently become engaged and moved into the condominium complex near Concordia University, where they had played basketball and received their degrees, authorities said. Lawrence worked as a campus officer at USC.
Police said they are searching for Dorner, whose last known address is in La Palma, and said he drives a blue 2005 Nissan Titan pickup with California license 7X03191.
At the news conference, Irvine Police Chief Dave Maggard asked anyone with information to call a tip line at (714) 724-7192.
Dorner’s LAPD case began when he lodged a complaint against his field training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans. He accused her of kicking a suspect named Christopher Gettler. An LAPD Board of Rights found that the complaint was false and terminated his employment for making false statements. He appealed the action.
He testified that he graduated from the Police Academy in February 2006 and left for a 13-month military deployment in November 2006.
“This is my last resort,” he wrote online. “The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now led to deadly consequences.”
Dorner said it was the LAPD’s fault that he lost his law enforcement and Navy careers, as well as his relationships with family and close friends. Dorner wrote that he began his law enforcement career in February 2005 and that it ended in January 2009. His Navy career began in April 2002 and ended this month.
“I lost everything,” he said, “because the LAPD took my name and knew I was innocent.”
Article (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-alleged-goes-on-rampage-shooting-3-officers-killing-one.html)
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Remember the effort the left, helped out by the MSM, was trying to do to connect the Gabby Giffords shooting to talk radio? Remember all the efforts made in trying to attach mass killers with the "vitriole" coming out of the right, and folks like Rush & Hannity, basically accusing them as being responsible for any victims and death involved.
My guess is you won't hear the same thing coming from "the right", on this.
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Piers Morgan Fan Goes On Shooting Rampage, Killing Three…
According to Piers Morgan’s own logic, he’s responsible for this.
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Police launched a massive manhunt Thursday for a former Los Angeles officer suspected of killing a couple over the weekend and opening fire on four officers early Thursday, killing one and critically wounding another, authorities said.
The search for Christopher Dorner, who was fired from the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008 for making false statements, began after he was linked to the weekend killing in which one of the victims was the daughter of a former police captain who had represented him during those disciplinary proceedings.
Early Thursday, police came under fire in two separate shootings in Riverside County, east of Los Angeles.
Hours later, Los Angeles officers guarding a “target” named in an online posting by Dorner shot and wounded multiple people in Torrance who were in a pickup but were not involved, authorities said. The extent of their injuries was not released. It’s not clear if the target is a person or a location.
From Christopher Dorner’s manifesto:
Anti-NRA: Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you’re a vile and inhumane piece of shit. You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook.
Loves Piers Morgan: …give Piers Morgan an indefinite resident alien and Visa card. Mr. Morgan, the problem that many American gun owners have with you and your continuous discussion of gun control is that you are not an American citizen and have an accent that is distinct and clarifies that you are a foreigner. I want you to know that I agree with you 100% on enacting stricter firearm laws.
The killer is also a huge Obama supporter and fan of gun-control.
Loves Obama: You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama.
Pro Gun Control: Who in there right mind needs a fucking silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!
Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”
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So.....one wonders, is "the left" & MSM going to give him a pass, because he believes in the appropriate ideology? Paint him as as sympathetic victim of an unjust racist system? Will they apply the same parameters they were applying to talk radio, when talk radio wasn't even mentioned by the shooter of Gabby Giffords? Here we have a direct connection, with this killer's own words. Per Piers Morgan and the left's parameters, they must be responsible for these shootings and murders, right?
Me thinks they'll give themselves a pass on this one. Need to keep that double standard alive and well (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/07/piers-morgan-fan-goes-on-shooting-rampage-killing-three/)
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Remember the effort the left, helped out by the MSM, was trying to do to connect the Gabby Giffords shooting to talk radio? Remember all the efforts made in trying to attach mass killers with the "vitriole" coming out of the right, and folks like Rush & Hannity, basically accusing them as being responsible for any victims and death involved.
My guess is you won't hear the same thing coming from "the right", on this.
A deranged ex-cop on a killing spree is on the loose in California; he's already murdered three people, including an LAPD officer, and is vowing to target other law and enforcement officials and their families until he's stopped:
A former Los Angeles cop with military training vowed war against other men in blue Thursday, leaving one officer dead days after he allegedly killed two other people to begin a wave of retribution for being fired, police said. The focus of the intensive, expansive manhunt is Christopher Jordan Dorner, a 270-pound former Navy lieutenant who has professed his venom against LAPD officers he claimed ruined his life by forcing him out of his dream job.
In a rambling 11-page manifesto, the accused killer lists his grievances, ticking off a roster of potential "high value targets" -- including white officers in predominantly black neighborhoods, and various black, Hispanic, Asian and lesbian officers. But this individual wants the public to know that doesn't hate everyone. Indeed, he lavishes praise on President Obama, the First Lady, Sen. Diane Feinstein, CNN host Piers Morgan, and the anti-gun cause. He also labels NRA president Wayne LaPierre a "vile and inhumane piece of s---," and professes support for same-sex marriage. Though he offers respectful comments towards a handful of Republicans (George HW Bush, Chris Christie and Jon Huntsman), it's abundantly apparent that the essay's unhinged author is a man of the Left.
What relevance does this hold, vis-a-vis his crimes? None whatsoever. The fact that this particular loon identifies with one end of the political spectrum is a reflection upon neither liberalism nor its adherents.
That being said, if this guy left behind a lengthy missive ripping Obama and inveighing against gun control, there is absolutely zero doubt that the national media would be whipped into a frenzy. We'd be treated to days of "national conversations" about "hate" and "incitement," during which Conservatives would be forced to explain that no, they don't support the killer or his actions. Some liberal opinion-makers and politicians would simultaneously be clamoring to use his horrific acts to bully their political opponents into silence. But because this perpetrator happens to hold liberal views, the press is (rightly, in this case) downplaying the political angle to the story.
The California murders aren't the only manifestation of our media's disgraceful double standard. As Katie reported yesterday, the Family Research Council shooter allocuted in court this week that his intention was to slaughter as many employees as he could at the socially conservative organization last August, then smear their corpses with Chick-fil-A sandwiches. He went on to admit that he'd culled his hit list from a map of "hate groups" published by the far-Left Southern Poverty Law Center. By his own admission, this radical gay rights activist sought to carry out an explicitly political mission involving the massacre and desecration of people he viewed as ideological opponents. Not only has the media decided against vaulting this story into a sweeping national narrative, they're barely covering it at all.
The same could not be said of their coverage after the awful Giffords shooting in Tucson, which sparked gales of opprobrium against the collective American Right. These baseless slanders marched on for days. Right-wing radio, Fox News, the Tea Party, Congressional Republicans and Sarah Palin's famous map were all denounced as sources of dangerous levels of "hate." These attacks still would have been grossly unfair even if Jared Loughner had been a schizophrenic with a twisted conservative belief system. But it quickly became apparent that Loughner wasn't political at all. His associates said he didn't follow politics, and had almost certainly never seen Palin's map. The entire blame-the-Right template was based on a repulsive, partisan rush to judgment -- and guess who was an active participant in the tar and feather brigade? You guessed it: The Southern Poverty Law Center.
Just to be crystal clear, the Arizona shootings (and a host of other terrible events) were instantly laid at conservatives' feet, despite a total dearth of evidence to support even the manipulative suggestion that political factors were somehow to blame...yet the media dutifully devoted hours of programming and hundreds of column inches to exploring the "larger meaning" of the tragedies, with politics front and center.
Today, the press has essentially yawned at two actually violent psychos with clearly and publicly-stated Lefty worldviews. Allahpundit's bottom line is depressingly spot on:
When, as today, the facts don’t lend themselves easily to a “right-wing apocalypse” narrative, then suddenly all of the grander meaning in the killer’s political sympathies melts away. The double standard has become so obvious and so grotesque that I doubt most media liberals would even deny it anymore when challenged on it. It’s unmistakable and indefensible and they know it. And rest assured, the next time some lunatic kills a bunch of people and it turns out his MySpace profile lists Ayn Rand as one of his “likes” or whatever, they’ll do it all over again. Lessons will not be learned because this isn’t about lessons. It’s about reptilian political advantage.
I honestly don't know how conservatives can counter the media's Orwellian advocacy and bias. It's appalling, unfair, profoundly dishonest, and utterly undeniable.
And yet it will continue. (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/02/08/alleged-cop-killer-pens-manifesto-applauding-obama-gun-control-efforts-n1507935)
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Question: How many times over the past four years have exploitative liberal journalists and Democratic leaders rushed to pin random acts of violence on the tea party, Republicans, Fox News and conservative talk radio?
Answer: Nearly a dozen times, including
the 2009 massacre of three Pittsburgh police officers (which lib journos falsely blamed on Fox News, Glenn Beck and the "heated, apocalyptic rhetoric of the anti-Obama forces");
the 2009 suicide insurance scam/murder hoax of Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman (which New York magazine falsely blamed on Rush Limbaugh, "conservative media personalities, websites and even members of Congress");
the 2009 Holocaust museum shooting (which MSNBC commentator Joan Walsh blamed on Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and yours truly);
the 2010 Times Square jihad bomb plot (which Mayor Michael Bloomberg falsely blamed on tea party activists protesting Obamacare);
and the 2011 Tucson massacre, which liberals continue to blame on former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
Question: What will this rabid Blame Righty mob do now that an alleged triple-murderer has singled out prominent lefties in the media and Hollywood for fawning praise as part of his crazed manifesto advocating cop-killing?
Answer: Evade, deflect, ignore and whitewash.
This week, former Los Angeles Police Department Officer Christopher Dorner allegedly shot and killed three innocent people in cold blood. He was the subject of a massive manhunt as of Thursday afternoon. Dorner posted an 11,000-word manifesto on Facebook that outlined his chilling plans to target police officers.
CNN headlined its story on the rant: "Alleged cop-killer details threats to LAPD and why he was driven to violence." MSNBC reported: "Manifesto: Alleged Revenge Shooter Named Targets." KTLA-TV in Los Angeles went with: "Christopher Dorner's Manifesto (Disturbing Content and Language)."
There was a curious, blaring omission in both the headlines and the stories from these supposedly objective outlets, though. Dorner expressed rather pointed, explicit views of news personalities and celebrities who have influenced, entertained and uplifted him. Dorner praised stars from Ellen DeGeneres and Charlie Sheen ("you're effin awesome") to "Jennifer Beals, Serena Williams ... Tamron Hall ... Natalie Portman, Queen Latifah ... Kelly Clarkson, Nora Jones, Laura Prepon, Margaret Cho and Rutina Wesley."
The shout-outs to liberal journalists go on at length:
"Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien (sic), Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera (sic), Tavis Smiley and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite's lead," Dorner cheered. "I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings."
Dorner also offered an "atta boy" to notorious, anti-Second Amendment CNN anchor Piers Morgan, suggesting he be given "an indefinite resident alien and Visa card." Offering up his political counsel, Dorner added: "I want you to know that I agree with you 100 percent on enacting stricter firearm laws, but you must understand that your critics will always have in the back of their mind that you are native to a country that we won our sovereignty from while using firearms as a last resort in defense and you come from a country that has no legal private ownership of firearms."
Dorner reminded MSNBC's Joe Scarborough that they had "met at McGuire's pub in P-cola in 2002 when I was stationed there. It was an honor conversing with you about politics, family and life." The alleged triple-murderer also advised "Today" show personality Willie Geist: "(Y)ou're a talented and charismatic journalist. Stop with all the talk show shenanigans and get back to your core of reporting. Your future is brighter than most."
It's ridiculous, of course, to blame these journos for the deaths of three innocents in Southern California.
But herein lies a teachable moment. In the sick cycle of recent politicized tragedies, the Blame Righty mob
- demanded that conservative media personalities and GOP politicians apologize for crimes they didn't commit;
- called for increased regulation of political free speech;
- and cranked up its decades-old machinery to stifle conservative talk radio in the name of public safety and civility. Even the remotest connection to anything right-wing was excuse enough to convict conservatives for homicidal sprees.
And while the Blame Righty crowd still inveighs about Palin's completely innocent use of crosshairs on a political map, they have fallen silent about the stunning admission of Floyd Lee Corkins, who pleaded guilty this week to attempting to murder members of the conservative Family Research Council in Washington, D.C., last summer.
Corkins said he wanted to "kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-fil-A sandwiches (he had brought) in victims' faces, and kill the guard." How did he pick the office? From a "hate map" published by the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center -- the leading guilt-by-association witch-hunt crew targeting conservatives.
Ho-hum. Nothing to see here, move along. Be vewwy, vewwy quiet. (http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/02/08/the-blame-righty-mob-falls-silent-n1507800)
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Again, just think if this was some ex-military proud pro-2nd amendment, pro-Limbaugh & Fox News supporter......there wouldn't be this deafening silence by the MSM. It'd be on the news, every morning, and every night, asking leftist pundit after leftist politician, after leftist celebrity as to "how can we bring some sanity, some civil way to communicate matters & issues, with all this hatred, vitriole, and yea, racism aimed at this President and his party?", not to mention repetative demands by Republican politcians and talk radio, to denounce the killer's actions, as if they were the motivating source
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The deafening silence, indeeds speaks volumes (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2013/02/08/special-media-mash)
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Ex-Los Angeles cop barricaded in S. Calif. cabin
A fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer sought in three killings was believed barricaded in a cabin Tuesday after a furious gunbattle with police in the snow-covered mountains of Southern California, authorities said, the culmination of an intensive manhunt that left a region an edge for nearly a week.
Two officers were injured and were being airlifted to a hospital, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department said. The extent of their injuries wasn't known.
Officers have been swarming the snow-covered Big Bear region since Thursday, when they found the burned-out pickup truck of Christopher Dorner. The former Navy reservist killed a former police captain's daughter and her fiance and a Riverside officer, and injured two other officers, police said, promising to bring "warfare" to Los Angeles police and their family members.
But, until Tuesday, authorities weren't sure whether Dorner was still near Big Bear or had fled, and thousands of officers were searching for him across three states and Mexico.
At about 12:20 p.m. Tuesday, deputies in the Big Bear area got a report of a stolen vehicle in the area, the sheriff's office said. The people whose vehicle was stolen described the suspect as looking similar to Dorner.
When authorities found the vehicle, the suspect, believed to be Dorner, ran into the forest and barricaded himself inside a cabin. A short time later there was an exchange of gunfire between law enforcement and the suspect.
It's not clear which agency the two agents wounded belong to, State Fish and Wildlife Assistant Chief Dan Sforza told KCAL.
It's also believed Dorner committed a residential burglary of a cabin where a couple was tied up, an officer told The Associated Press.
The officer requested anonymity because the officer was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.
One of the people was able to get away and make a call. It's not clear if that's the same person who called police about the carjacking.
Road blocks were set up around Big Bear. A midafternoon news conference was planned in Los Angeles.
The shootout occurred in Seven Oaks off Highway 38, about five miles as the crow flies from where Dorner's pickup was found. A ridge with peaks topping 8,000 feet lies between the locations. By road, the two areas are about 30 miles apart.
The former Navy reservist began his run from the law on Feb. 6 after authorities connected the slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with an angry manifesto they said Dorner posted on Facebook. He vowed to bring "warfare" to Los Angeles police and their family members, which led the department to assign officers to guard more than 50 families connected to his so-called targets.
Within hours of the release of photos of the 6-foot, 270-pounder described as armed and "extremely dangerous," Dorner allegedly unsuccessfully tried to steal a boat in San Diego to flee to Mexico and then ambushed police in Riverside County, shooting three and killing one.
Jumpy officers guarding one of his targets in Torrance on Thursday shot and injured two women delivering newspapers because they mistook their pickup truck for Dorner's.
The hunt for Dorner appeared to go cold after his burned-out pickup was found later that morning in the mountains east of Los Angeles and his footprints disappeared on frozen ground.
Police found charred weapons and camping gear inside the truck, but it wasn't clear if he had fled into the San Bernardino Mountains near the resort town of Big Bear Lake or left the area.
Helicopters using heat-seeking technology searched the forest from above while scores of officers, some using bloodhounds, scoured the ground and checked hundreds of vacation cabins - many vacant this time of year - in the area. A snowstorm hindered the search and may have helped cover his tracks, though authorities were hopeful he would leave fresh footprints if hiding in the wilderness.
Dorner's beef with the department dated back at least five years, when he was fired for filing a false report accusing his training officer of kicking a mentally ill suspect. Dorner, who is black, claimed in his manifesto that he was the subject of racism by the department and fired for doing the right thing.
He said he would get even with those who wronged him in an event to reclaim his good name.
"You're going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!" he wrote. "You have awoken a sleeping giant."
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed the allegations in Dorner's rant, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which long had a fractured relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
One of the targets listed in the manifesto was former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan, who represented Dorner before the disciplinary board. Dorner claimed he put the interests of the department above his.
The first victims were Quan's daughter, Monica Quan, 28, a college basketball coach, and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, 27, who were shot multiple times in their car in a parking garage near their condo.
Dorner served in the Navy, earning a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal. He was assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, according to military records. He took leave from the LAPD for a six-month deployment to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007
Article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LAPD_REVENGE_KILLINGS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-12-17-05-09)
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I just wondered into this post right now. I did not connect the title to the chris situation. I would of been here earlier. Just giving a update . He might be dead he holed up on a cabin set it on fire then a single shot was heard.
I think he put a dead body in the cabin and got time release on a gun and escaped.
I do notice very little mention of the shout out you pointed out sirs. They focus more on he's a big fan of charlie sheen.
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Yet if this murderer had mentioned any affinity to Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, or Mark Levin, or even just talk radio, not only would you be hearing it in every prime time news broadcast, as if they were responsible, DC politicians would be indicating the need "to do something" as in some legislative proposal to either curb talk radio and/or claims of "see?, this is why we need more gun control", despite the fact that nothing in Feinstein's bill proposal would have prevented this murderer from acquiring what he did.
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Yeah, let's complain about the total injustice of what sirs thinks MIGHT have happened. .
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That's kinda like the cornerstone of DEBATE, discussing ideas, debating what is, what if, what will, what could, what did, what should, and yea, what might, or in this case, what would ::)
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What you take away from this is that it was another head case with easy access to guns. So, question. What's easier, reducing the number of head cases or reducing their easy access to guns?
BSB
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Whoa!!
I totally called it. I said the body is not his since he seems to follow a mix of several fugitive themed movie plots. Mainly rambo.
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What you take away from this is that it was another head case with easy access to guns. So, question. What's easier, reducing the number of head cases or reducing their easy access to guns?
BSB
Actually what you take away from this is that NOTHING in Feinstein's current bill or the previous pseudo-assault weapon ban, would have prevented this headcase from acquiring all the weapons he did amass. THAT's what we can take away from this
Sirs
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What you take away from this is that it was another head case with easy access to guns. So, question. What's easier, reducing the number of head cases or reducing their easy access to guns?
BSB
Reducing the number of head cases might be a lot easyer, there must be a million guns for each one of us willing to run amouk.
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The guy was clearly insane and clearly should never have been allowed to own a gun. The reality is that there is no real way to lock up people like him before then run amok, and little chance that they could be disarmed, either.
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And the "bill" being proposed by the Dems and company, would have done NOTHING to have prevented this insane leftist from acquiring his arsenal. It WOULD have made it harder for law abiding citizens to better protect themselves, if this insane leftist decided to start spraying bullets anywhere
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The guy was clearly insane and clearly should never have been allowed to own a gun. The reality is that there is no real way to lock up people like him before then run amok, and little chance that they could be disarmed, either.
Yes.
Very difficult , droping him from the police force seems like a good call in hindsight.
As a policeman , his insanity might have manifested even more harmfully.
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And the "bill" being proposed by the Dems and company, would have done NOTHING to have prevented this insane leftist from acquiring his arsenal. It WOULD have made it harder for law abiding citizens to better protect themselves, if this insane leftist decided to start spraying bullets anywhere
It isn't really important that he thought himself a leftist, but I think I get what you mean, it also would not really be important that he might have considered himself a right winger, but if he had , much more fuss would be made of it.
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Exactly.......that's all you'd be hearing from the MSM and our fellow leftists in the saloon
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Some people join the police because they like the idea of bullying people around. I have met a few cops like this here in Miami.
He did not go ape and start shooting people because of any political views: he was simply nuts, like the Jamaican dude on the Long Island Railroad.
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Of course he was a nut....he was a leftist nut, who apparently loved the likes of Obama, and all manner of racist leftist TV & radio hosts. You think you'd be so quiet if this nut loved Rush or Hannity?? You'd be proclaiming how this nut literally got his hateful marching orders from them
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Oh, the injustice of what has not really happened!
The cruel injustice!
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Some people join the police because they like the idea of bullying people around. I have met a few cops like this here in Miami.
He did not go ape and start shooting people because of any political views: he was simply nuts, like the Jamaican dude on the Long Island Railroad.
This guy was kicked off the force for protesting bullying by his police force. Allegedly.
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And this may be true.Perhaps he just had enough and snapped. He still had no reason to shoot game wardens, though.
There is always some sort of reason for irrational behavior, not necessarily a valid justification.
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Given this liberal crack pot's history, as more and more of it is released, the biggest question is how was this fella ever hired onto the Police Force to begin with
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he made the cut to get in but that doesn`t mean he can`t lose it later on. the military has finally admitted it has a ever growing list of soldier losing it. both institution normally view mental health as a wimpy liberal thing so little attention will be given. if you were to talk to any of the older officeir most will likely be unsympathic about mental health,but a small percent will give a ton of example it`s badly needs attention. When i first reseach PTSD alot of the military in history treated it as an act of treason. Now I find no record about how badly men were treated with mental health problems.
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Mental health problems are seen as something that affects sissies and girly-men. This is simply untrue, but it prevents a lot of people from even seeking treatment. They do not want to admit to what the see as weakness of character.
It is possible that this guy was competent when hired, and changed as a result of the stress involved.
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No, it's not possible, given this fella's "manifesto". He was a self perceived victim ever since 1st grade apparently. There were red flags everywhere, both before and during his academy training , which again begs the question how he was hired onto the LA Police Force in the 1st place
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Apparently to you does not have a thing to do with a logical conclusion.
I have seen nothing about his early childhood. Do you think that he was a defective human being,and should have been culled from the population in the first grade? If not, what is your point?
And no, no one has claimed that we need to disarm all retired police and military.
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I've seen and heard plenty of his childhood, quite a bit of it in his manifesto. He was defective only in how he saw himself as a victim, as early as the 1st grade. The rest of his history was red flag on top of red flag, and still he was hired by the LA PD. THAT was my point, in how the hell he was hired in the 1st place
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So, he should have been culled from the population, or denied any job?
If his mother had aborted him, he would not have been a problem.
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Reading for comprehension is sure a problem with you, a supposed language professor. Yea, my reference specifically to how could he have been hired by the LA PD, and be allowed to carry a badge & gun, given his history of victimhood & irrational behavior, equates to how he shouldn't be allowed to work anywhere, or simply "culled" :o
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uhm
he might of fibbed the entrance exam. it`s not unheard of to puff ones image to get hired for a job. the part that should make you happy is he did get let go finally. ok that might of triggered him.
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From his history, and per his "manifesto", he was a time bomb. A couple of officers reported that during his time in the academy hs purposely flaunted authority, wearing neon colored shoes when the strict dress code said otherwise. Caught strangling another cadet when he was called a name. Even shot his hand, when he was cleaning his gun, this former military fella, not clearing his gun before cleaning it. It was nothing specific that the force did to trigger him. The bomb finally went off
The real question remains not about his supposed allegations, that went thru all the appeals process and found it invalid, no the real question remains why did the LA PD even hire him. I think most people do know why, but its not an issue anyone dares to want to bring up
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I think the reasons for the recent outbreaks of chinese are getting attacks is the direct result of the judge ruling that chinese cannot get hate crime status due to there passive nature. ergo no hate is involved.i think nobody cares chinese are getting beaten up and killed. i simply see no outrage by these attacks .
there I said something none is willing say in public. please tell me why he got in.
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there I said something none is willing say in public. please tell me why he got in.
AA.....he was black. It would seem many local Governments advocate departments that "look" more like their citizenry, (as opposed to having the most compotent). Its why caucasion males with test scores of 95+ and spotless background will get passed over for minorities & females, with shall we say, less than stellar credentials
But tell me more about this Judge's ruling. "Hate crime status"?
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Where is the line between sane and insane?
Being intelligent is not an indicator, intelligent irrationality is not that rare.
He was enraged by his being fired , but his subsequent actions make his fireing look like a good call.
Can we really have reliable tests without being able to ensure the testers are smarter than the testees?
By the way , if a quiz is quizical , what is a test?
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BLACK KIDS THROWING ASIAN LADY UNTO MUNI TRACKS AT SAN FRANCISCO BAYVIEW...wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1RvdH5tH4Y#)
this case along with a man killed a few weeks later was ruled not a hate crime since the motivation is because asians are easy targets.
when it happened it didn`t even gets much press. it got more coverage oversea.
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Most altercations between Asians (Koreans and Chinese in particular) involve either a customer shoplifting or suspected of shoplifting, a refusal to extend credit at a corner store, or something to do with prices charged. Sometimes there are language problems as well.
There is no justification for pushing anyone off a subway platform. It is certainly a crime. Proving it is a hate crime involves analyzing what is in the perps' mind.
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It's pretty much the stereotype of asians being passive that finally getting even more harmful result.
Note long before this happened our own people were taking advantage of this nature. I should of seen this coming. If asians can't even convince americans they can be insulted . Ex. Chinaman. Then these attacks are just gonna grow.
But these attacker better be careful ,if they were to target a korean or a north vietnamese. A lesson will be learn not all asians are the same
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IIRC I saw many an Asian store owner, standing on their roof with many of their family and friends, all carrying firearms, including AR-15 like semi-autos, during the Rodney King riots. I bet they were glad to have them, and their magazine capacity, at that time. Nor would I have dared try to mess with them or their store's contents.
then again, it wouldn't have been their race that was at issue. It was the tool they were using
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actually that was a very rough time time for asians in L.A. those store owners were koreans and XO statement of difficult store clerks were most likely koreans. That little friction erupted during the riots and all asians seen were attacked not just koreans. that was the day koreans earn americas respect by being the only business owners in that area willing to protect thier property. I kinda doubt if they didn`t have those guns they would be defenseless .
funny I still remember the tv news showing one of them holding a rifle on the rooftop.
never mess with koreans unless you really have to. remember the war never ended