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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BSB on February 14, 2013, 08:00:38 AM
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Wayne LaPierre, the fear monger, shilling for the firearms industry.
BSB
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Stand and Fight
By Wayne LaPierre
Before I tell you how the NRA and our members are going to Stand And Fight politically and in the courts, let’s acknowledge that all over this country, tens of millions of Americans are already preparing to Stand And Fight to protect their families and homes.
These good Americans are prudently getting ready to protect themselves.
It has always been sensible for good citizens to own and carry firearms for lawful protection against violent criminals who prey on decent people.
During the second Obama term, however, additional threats are growing. Latin American drug gangs have invaded every city of significant size in the United States. Phoenix is already one of the kidnapping capitals of the world, and though the states on the U.S./Mexico border may be the first places in the nation to suffer from cartel violence, by no means are they the last.
The president flagrantly defies the 2006 federal law ordering the construction of a secure border fence along the entire Mexican border. So the border today remains porous not only to people seeking jobs in the U.S., but to criminals whose jobs are murder, rape, robbery and kidnapping. Ominously, the border also remains open to agents of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Numerous intelligence sources have confirmed that foreign terrorists have identified the southern U.S. border as their path of entry into the country.
When the next terrorist attack comes, the Obama administration won’t accept responsibility. Instead, it will do what it does every time: blame a scapegoat and count on Obama’s “mainstream” media enablers to go along.
A heinous act of mass murder—either by terrorists or by some psychotic who should have been locked up long ago—will be the pretext to unleash a tsunami of Gun Control.
No wonder Americans are buying guns in record numbers right now, while they still can and before their choice about which firearm is right for their family is taken away forever.
After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all.
Anti-gun New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg had already done everything he could to prevent law-abiding New Yorkers from owning guns, and he has made sure that no ordinary citizen will ever be allowed to carry a gun. He even refused to allow the National Guard into the city to restore civil order because Guardsmen carry guns!
Meanwhile, President Obama is leading this country to financial ruin, borrowing over a trillion dollars a year for phony “stimulus” spending and other payoffs for his political cronies. Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won’t be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it.
Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe. It’s not paranoia to buy a gun. It’s survival. It’s responsible behavior, and it’s time we encourage law-abiding Americans to do just that.
Since the election, millions of Americans have been lining up in front of gun stores, Cabela’s and Bass Pro Shops exercising their freedom while they still have it. They are demonstrating they have a mass determination to buy, own and use firearms. Millions of Americans are using market forces like never before to demonstrate their ardent support for our firearm freedoms. That’s one of the very best ways we can Stand And Fight.
Inevitably, the anti-gun media and the gun-ban lobbies are demonizing the purchase of firearms. They call us “extremists” because we wonder whether we will be able to buy a semi-auto in three years or, even in some states, later this year. That’s despite the fact that President Obama long ago made clear that he wants to ban them all!
The media try to make rank-and-file Americans feel guilty about buying a gun. The enemies of freedom demonize gun buyers and portray us as social lepers. But we know the truth. We know that responsible gun ownership exemplifies what is good and right about America.
Responsible Americans realize that the world as we know it has changed. We, the American people, clearly see the daunting forces we will undoubtedly face: terrorists, crime, drug gangs, the possibility of Euro-style debt riots, civil unrest or natural disaster.
Gun owners are not buying firearms because they anticipate a confrontation with the government. Rather, we anticipate confrontations where the government isn’t there—or simply doesn’t show up in time.
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http://www.webxcope.com/rfx/ss1902000.htm (http://www.webxcope.com/rfx/ss1902000.htm)
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If the President said he wanted to ban them all, and he was elected, then that is something.
No one elected LaPierre to national office. He has the right to spew all the nonsense he wishes and be ignored.
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If the President said he wanted to ban them all, and he was elected, then that is something.
No one elected LaPierre to national office. He has the right to spew all the nonsense he wishes and be ignored.
No.
He represents one of the strongest and most cohesive voting blocks the nation has.
Much more than just NRA membership, though that is considerable.
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BINGO. Check out the prescious polls to see which side the american population is siding with, on this one
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If the President said he wanted to ban them all, and he was elected, then that is something.
I do not think so.
(http://newsimages.citrine.synacor.com/ap_photos//efe2088d-b67b-4385-a44a-d2e77cb4f47e.jpeg)
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Hahahahahaha!http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-releases-photo-obama-firing-gun-162849843--politics.html
http://twitchy.com/2013/02/02/medias-firearms-experts-confuse-president-obamas-assault-shotgun-with-rifle/ (http://twitchy.com/2013/02/02/medias-firearms-experts-confuse-president-obamas-assault-shotgun-with-rifle/)
So....
Some of the people who are seriously writing about the Second admendment , cannot tell a rifle from a shotgun.
I would guess they do not even know how embarrassing this should be.
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Vice President Biden knows the diffrence and explains why you would want a Shotgun.
Joe Biden: "If you Want to Keep People Away During an Earthquake, Buy Some Shotgun Shells" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcxVovpJdi8#ws)
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La Pierre is a kook. Most of the people of this country consider him to be a kook.
I do not think that even all the NRA membership agrees with him.
He has not and never will be elected to any national office.
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La Pierre is a kook. Most of the people of this country consider him to be a kook.
I do not think that even all the NRA membership agrees with him.
He has not and never will be elected to any national office.
He is elected to his post.
And clearly understands the issues.
This is not true of everyone that wants to be heard on the subject.
Can I discount the opinion of persons who represent a smaller number of people, like Dianne Feinstien , or who apparently know little about the issue , like Dianne Fienstien?
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He understands THIS issue: the NRA benefits directly from the sale of firearms. They get more advertising for their magazines and more members.
Eliminating mean-looking weapons will certainly not INCREASE the number of gun deaths. It could decrease them.
I have belonged to a variety of organizations, and the officers favored by the people running the show are ALWAYS those elected:La Pierre's election to President of the NRA is essentially meaningless with regard to the membership, most of whom did not vote at all.
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Wayne Lapierre is an asshole plain and simple. He is doing more damage to the NRA then all the liberals in this country combined could wish to do.
BSB
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Wayne Lapierre is an asshole plain and simple. He is doing more damage to the NRA then all the liberals in this country combined could wish to do.
BSB
Then i am sure the anti gun crowd is happy as hell he is in a position of power.
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Is he in a position of power?
He seems to be in a position to mouth off in such a way as to LOSE power.
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You'll let us know when that happens, ok?
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I imagine that I will not have to tell you.
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Then we'll never know it came to happen now, won't we. Pity. Perfect opportunity for you to one time back up a claim, to demonstrate right you were, at least once, and you're going to keep it to yourself. What a bummer
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It will be obvious to everyone when LaPierre loses. I certainly won't have to tell you.
Why do you support LaPierre so fervently when you do not even shell out the relative pittance needed to join the NRA?
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Ahh, the 'ol "obvious" response. How's that been woring out for yas?
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When the leadership of the NRA ejects LaPierre, it will be obvious that he screwed up, just as it was obvious that Charleton Heston screwed up and was ejected when Michael Moore made a fool of him.
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And of course, you'll let us know when that happens ;)
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Why should I bother? LaPierre is just a crackpot paid to peddle guns and ammo.
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Why should I bother?
To try and put a dent into that 99% wrong track record of claims, on your part.
or not. Your choice
LaPierre is just a crackpot paid to peddle guns and ammo.
OR, a patriot out to peddle the Constitution and defending our children. I'll go with the latter, until you can demonstrate otherwise, outside of your 99% namecalling say so
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When the leadership of the NRA ejects LaPierre, it will be obvious that he screwed up, just as it was obvious that Charleton Heston screwed up and was ejected when Michael Moore made a fool of him.
I don't remember it that way.
Ejected? Who told you that?
Heston was the president (a largely ceremonial position) and spokesman of the NRA from 1998 until he resigned in 2003. At the 2000 NRA convention, he raised a rifle over his head and declared that a potential Al Gore administration would take away his Second Amendment rights "from my cold, dead hands".[41] In announcing his resignation in 2003, he again raised a rifle over his head, repeating the five famous words of his 2000 speech.[42] He was an honorary life member.[42]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston)
In the 2002 film Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore interviewed Heston in his home, asking him about an April 1999 NRA meeting held shortly after the Columbine high school massacre, in Denver, Colorado. Moore criticized Heston for the perceived thoughtlessness in the timing and location of the meeting. Heston, on-camera, excused himself and walked out. Moore was later criticized for his ambush and for selectively editing footage which scrambled the sequence of questions and answers to make Heston appear to be giving responses that did not match the question asked.[43][44][45]
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Heston had Alzheimer's so I won't make fun of him. LaPierre is a natural born asshole who should be made fun of early and often. If the NRA is smart they'll dump him yesterday. Unlike some in here I am an NRA member, and they've done a lot of very good work for years. They've made gun ownership, and use, safer for countless numbers of people through their firearms programs(1). People like LaPierre are destroying the reputation they earned through those programs.
BSB
1. Years ago I bought a Ruger Old Army black powder revolver just because I was so impressed by how well built it was. I called the NRA looking for a black powder instructor. One called me that night. I took a lesson from him over the following weekend. He knew his stuff. He followed up by phone a couple of times answering additional questions I had. The NRA is very impressive and doesn't need kooks like LaPierre representing it.
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And yet, no one is able to explain how LaPierre is this supposed Ahole. Just that he is because........certain hard core leftists say he is. Go figure. Perhaps one of these days the left will provide some concrete reasons. Hopefully more than just a few sentence gaffs, since our Current Commander & Clown has a vast resume' of verbal miscues, and we won't even talk about the encyclopedia of gaffes, VP Biden
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When someone like the President of the United States and his surrogates, is attacking your organization trying to link your organization to a tragedy like Sandy Hook, it is imperative that you put forth your best people to counter these claims. From my observation LaPierre is not that person. There was a spokesperson from the NRA on CNN after the SOTU speeches who in my opinion articulated opposition to emotion based gun control laws much better. Wish i could remember his name.
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RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Which is exactly what is happening with Lapierre.
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Still waiting to see how he's some "a-hole". Is it the glasses? Did he drink a sip of water, when he shouldn't have?
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Still waiting to see how he's some "a-hole". Is it the glasses? Did he drink a sip of water, when he shouldn't have?
He is an asshole the same way you are a chimp. You have been picked off personalized polarized and frozen.
He may not be an asshole and you may not be a chimp but both of you are a target.
Hope that helps.
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It does indeed. Thanks, Bt
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"RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Which is exactly what is happening with Lapierre. "
People do do this sort of thing to others both naturally and by design. However, in the two cases we have here, Mr. LaPierre, and this chimp like poster you have "sirs", that is not, in the main, what is occurring. These two individuals have polarized themselves. They have made themselves targets.
BSB
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That certainly is one point of view.
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La Pierre did not have to comment on the Newtown massacre at all. Then he said that the government is powerless to pass even a single law to address the massacre, and that this was a;l it should or even could do. If he is a target, it is his own fault.
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Was Lapiere commenting on the Newtown tragedy or was he commenting on the emotion laden rush to pass legislation that would have had little to no effect on stopping another tragedy.
Let's not conflate the two events.
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If Newtown had not occurred, he would have had no speech at all. He made enough of a fool of himself that some other NRA clown followed up his speech.
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If Newtown had not occurred, he would have had no speech at all. He made enough of a fool of himself that some other NRA clown followed up his speech.
If Newtown hadn't happened would we have seen the rush to enact emotion ridden gun laws? And thus no need for the NRA to spring into action? I don't think so.
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The NRA has no reason to "spring into action", other than to focus its members and sympathizers on the imagined need to go out and buy yet another gun to add to the dozen they already own, because, you know, it might possibly become illegal to buy such guns. The NRA is not nearly so much a defender of the 2nd Amendment as it is a promoter of of the gun industry.
You can judge the amount of profit in an industry by the number of magazines dedicated to the purchase and use of specific high-profit items.
How much can anyone say about cigars? Yet we have "cigar aficionado" magazine. There is as much of, or more variety of pipe tobacco sold as cigars, but pipe tobacco isnot so high profit. Hence, no magazine. There is no magazine for those who roll their one cigarettes, but there are at least half a dozen dedicated to Black women's hairdos.
I see there is an Open Carry magazine now trying to sell itself as well.
Men's magazines featuring clothes are also a riot: $90 neckties, $200 jeans, $1000 shoes, I have even seen a recommendation for white t-shirts selling for $29.95.
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The NRA has no reason to "spring into action", other than to focus its members and sympathizers on the imagined need to go out and buy yet another gun to add to the dozen they already own, because, you know, it might possibly become illegal to buy such guns. The NRA is not nearly so much a defender of the 2nd Amendment as it is a promoter of of the gun industry.
You can judge the amount of profit in an industry by the number of magazines dedicated to the purchase and use of specific high-profit items.
How much can anyone say about cigars? Yet we have "cigar aficionado" magazine. There is as much of, or more variety of pipe tobacco sold as cigars, but pipe tobacco isnot so high profit. Hence, no magazine. There is no magazine for those who roll their one cigarettes, but there are at least half a dozen dedicated to Black women's hairdos.
I see there is an Open Carry magazine now trying to sell itself as well.
Men's magazines featuring clothes are also a riot: $90 neckties, $200 jeans, $1000 shoes, I have even seen a recommendation for white t-shirts selling for $29.95.
Nonsense. The NRA sprang into action because certain segments of society were pushing gun control while standing on the graves of the sandy hook children.
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I see no reason the them NOT to do this.
It is a free country, and those children were slain with guns which the murderer should never have been permitted to shoot.
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I see no reason the them NOT to do this.
It is a free country, and those children were slain with guns which the murderer should never have been permitted to shoot.
Who gave Adam Lantz permission to shoot?
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Last I checked, he stole them, and used them without anyone's permission