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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on June 21, 2013, 12:44:45 PM
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I think both parties are guilty and since he's alive shoud face some jailtime. Besides that i have never once seen any clue of any african american wanting to address this case as non-racial despite zimmerman is not white. If anything this could backfire on the africanamerican community.
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/All-female-jury-seated-in-George-Zimmerman-case-4613622.php#photo-4814238 (http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/All-female-jury-seated-in-George-Zimmerman-case-4613622.php#photo-4814238)
Maybe wrong didn't they surpress evidence showing zimmermans injuries saying anything negative about treyvon has no bearing on the case.
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Not sure why you you would think he deserves jail time, Kimba, unless you know something the rest of us don't. I guess that could be your gut telling you something. My gut tells me OJ slaughtered his wife despite being found not guilty. So there's that
There's nothing racial about this, outside of the fact that Treyvon was Black and Zimmerman was Hispanic. Those are just facts
It'll be interesting as it plays out, especially with all the building furor that unless there's a guilty verdict, all heck is supposed to break out. And who do you think is responsible for that pre-verdict powder keg?
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It was a preventable situation if he were to heed police advice to not approach the kid and the end result is a death.
Stand your ground gets grey when you ignore the police
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"Stand your ground gets grey when you ignore the police"
Well said.
BSB
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It was a preventable situation if he were to heed police advice to not approach the kid and the end result is a death.
Just about everything is "preventable" with the ever famous "if". What we have to deal with is the "did" happen. Facts will be produced, that the Jury will decide what is credible or not. Stand your ground is still stand your ground if someone comes at you, in a very threatening manor, and you're in fear of your life. How the Prosecution thinks they can get a 2nd degree murder conviction sure looks to be ..... a challenging goal
But what is commendable on your part is that you appear focused on the events, which includes Zimmerman's recommendations by Police, while race really had nothing to do with this. And yet those stoking the race angle are the ones lighting a fuse to the poweder keg of a possible not-guilty verdict
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I'm at a place that try very hard not to see through race glasses,which is very hard for me. Starting from that shooting death at the menlo park bart station. The was from the officers statement he mistaken his gun for a stun gun. I truely believe thats a rock solid defense no matter if true or false it is. Because it something i would of done in such a heated event. The african-american community refuse the believe death by incompetence instead of racism.
This also brought to light how bad the bart police itself is
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Commendable, and more importantly, credible comments, Kimba....if I do say so myself
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my opinion and prediction
Zimmerman will be found "guilty" during first trial
this will pacify the racists, welfare pimps, & "whites are to blame for everything" crowd
it will be "rah rah....Tray-Von da man!.....we showed whitey!"
then upon appeal the conviction will be over-turned
ZimmberBaby will be released with time served
prosecution will not re-try the case or if they do it will be "not guilty"
saying a re-trial is too expensive, he's already served time, & it's best to "move-on"
i think almost everybody on the "inside" knows Zimmerman is innocent
but by convicting then over-turning...both sides will be able to claim some degree of victory
it's really sad an innocent man must go through this show trial to pacify certain groups
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Unfortunately for some folks, the ends justify the means.....even at the expense & sacrifice of an innocent man
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It was a preventable situation if he were to heed police advice to not approach the kid and the end result is a death.
Stand your ground gets grey when you ignore the police
This is a good point, I think it will make a lot of difference.
But I have done the same thing , and joined a mob that flushed a burglar out of the bushes, in spite of a patrolman telling us not to.
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Mob?? Pretty sure not the same and that also not covered on stand your ground and likely have differing results.
Treyvon is not likely single handedly jump a group of men.
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I don't think the 911 dispatcher was a sworn police officer.
I think zimmerman will be found not guilty in criminal court but may suffer damages in civil court.
See OJ
And even after saying that i reserve the right to change my mind once sworn testimony is entered into the trial as facts instead of the relying on the facts as presented by the press.
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my opinion and prediction
Zimmerman will be found "guilty" during first trial
this will pacify the racists, welfare pimps, & "whites are to blame for everything" crowd
it will be "rah rah....Tray-Von da man!.....we showed whitey!"
then upon appeal the conviction will be over-turned
ZimmberBaby will be released with time served
prosecution will not re-try the case or if they do it will be "not guilty"
saying a re-trial is too expensive, he's already served time, & it's best to "move-on"
i think almost everybody on the "inside" knows Zimmerman is innocent
but by convicting then over-turning...both sides will be able to claim some degree of victory
it's really sad an innocent man must go through this show trial to pacify certain groups
I see, so this is really all about race? It's just a show trial to pacify the blacks and has nothing to do with the fact that a kid was gunned down for what amounts to no reason at all? Interesting take CU4. Backward, retarded, but interesting.
BSB
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Wow....who knew that BnonameB was a witness to the crime, and knew he was "gunned down for no reason at all". Have you already gone thru your deposition? Is that why you can't provide your name?
Or is this simply your ongoing reason for posting here....to call other people 3rd grade names
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Wow....who knew that BnonameB was a witness to the crime, and knew he was "gunned down for no reason at all". Have you already gone thru your deposition? Is that why you can't provide your name?
Or is this simply your ongoing reason for posting here....to call other people 3rd grade names
Ah huh, and was young Mr. Martin carrying a machine-gun all of a sudden, or did he pull a 12" knife? And in case you're blind, I sign every post with my name. And further, perhaps if you and CU4 could get out of the third grade, you wouldn't get called names. And further still, the real question is why do you post in here? You've driven every decent poster, that was left, out. You're a catastrophe to a forum and everybody knows it.
BSB
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If someone comes at me, looking to de me some serious harm, you BET I'm going to pull my weapon. To wait for him to decide what he might pull or not pull is just enough time for me to lose my life
But hey, if you want to keep setting an example of 3rd grade namecalling, that's your choice. Has nothing to do with any facts or commentary you find too difficult to refute from either C or myself
I post to provide insight, for visitors to read, and to higlight leftist hypocrisy, when it shows it self.....which provides me many opportunities. Not to mention I can manage to post without dropping to the immature name calling level. Your mileage may vary
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Ok, lets see how many people come in here to read YOUR "commentary".
BSB
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Oh?...is there some manner of built in software that provides us who actually reads who's commentary? Do tell. I simply go by visitors and how many times a thread is read. I'm not the reason people come here to read anything. And here's a news flash, you're not the reason either
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I think it is about race .
Race keeps coming up , being used and manipulated .
I think Treyvon Martin's parents would be just as angry if they were White, just as eager to get onto the killer.
But would they have the same tools ?
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But would they have the same tools ?
Absolutely not. Not the media, not the mass mobs spearheaded by the JJ's & Sharptons, not the attempted manipulation of facts by news agencies. Not to mention the Prosecution would have never taken up any charge, much less murder, to begin with