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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on April 22, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
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I really like that.
I bet I could make something similar.
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It has a Texas Star on it, too. The ideal furniture for paranoid Texans who fear they will be murdered in their beds, perhaps marauding Comanches or Comancheros. Yee Haw!
I don't see a lock, though.
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Do you really want a list of stories about individuals and families murdered in their own home, including, yes, their bedroom?? Were they all not "paranoid" enough??
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There's a great saying, that is perfectly applicable here....I'd rather have a firearm and not need it, than to need one, and not have it
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There are about 330 million people in this country. The average American is about as likely to get murdered in his bed as he is to get killed by blue ice falling out of a plane.
Those that DO get murdered in their beds are most likely gangsters or people engaged in very shady activities.
sirs silly statement makes as much sense as saying, "I'd rather have an eggplant and not need it, than to need and eggplant and not have it."
I imagine that the number of people who have shot family members they thought were intruders is as great as the number who have actually short real intruders. I am reminded of that case of the crippled South African runner who blew away his girlfriend recently.
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There are about 330 million people in this country. The average American is about as likely to get murdered in his bed as he is to get killed by blue ice falling out of a plane.
There are about 330 million people in this country. Millions of them own homes. They are VERY UNLIKELY to ever have their house burn down, so really they should all cancel their home owners fire insurance! ::)
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Bingo!! 8)
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"I'd rather have an eggplant and not need it, than to need and eggplant and not have it."
Why doesn't this work?
When I don't need food , I know that I will need food.
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Go suck an eggplant, sirs.
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LOL....you can always identify the exact time of utter defeat, when all that's left in the gas tank of debate is the above example 8)
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Guns in your headboard are nothing at all like fire insurance.
Fire insurance replaces your house should it catch fire and burn down.
A gun in a headboard is not going to replace anyone murdered in their bed.
Perhaps you should put a FIRE EXTINGUISHER in that headboard.
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They're insurance of another kind, that's all. And they sure as hell can prevent someone being murdered in their bed. There's probably room for a fire extinguisher as well, as that's far more similar to the preventative form of insurance, a firearm provides
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You could stuff a bazooka up in there as well.
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Too big, not to mention both illegal and irrelevant to the premice behind the topic of the thread. Deflection effort duly noted
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You could stuff a bazooka up in there as well.
Weapons should be chosen with a lot of thought given to the appropriateness against the expected target and the safety in the environment.
Bazookas and RPGs need clear space behind the shooter , and a target that is distant enough for the blast to be safe for the shooter.
A Bazooka or a RPG is an appropriate weapon when the venue is outdoors and the target is a truck or lightly armed vehicle.
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Who knows when they might be attacked in their beds by some evildoer driving a Toyota HiLux pickup?
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Who knows when they might be attacked in their beds by some evildoer driving a Toyota HiLux pickup?
Even in that case a bazooka would be a poor choice.
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Absolutely.....horrid choice.....not to mention already illegal. The NON-assault semi-automatic Bushmaster AR-14 would be an excellent recommendation however. Easy to aim, multiple rounds, and they're even legal
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Yeah, pulling a rifle out of a headboard and swinging it around to aim at someone threatening one would be so easy. I really doubt tjat it would be of any use at all unless the person did extensive training preparing for such an event.
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Now you're changing the scenario. This latest one would really only need a good semi-auto pistol or revolver. But having actually shot such NON assault rifles in the past, I assure you they can be aimed lightning fast as well.
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CAN be is one thing. Would be is another. My guess is that seventeen generations would pass before this headboard comes close to saving anyone's life. It is like all that survival food people will no doubt dig up in buried caches in 2072, to be photographed and featured in the media with articles about what a total nutjob Glenn Beck was.
I am reminded of the bomb shelter that my hometown Western Auto dealer built under his garage, discovered when the last of his kids died and the house was sold.
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CAN be is one thing. Would be is another. My guess is that seventeen generations would pass before this headboard comes close to saving anyone's life.
Which is fine. The hope is NEVER having to. But as it's been clearly referenced before, better to have the tools and not need them, than needing them and not having them...or in the case you push, making it illegal to have them. Far cry from a nuclear bomb shelter BTW, but cudos on yet another deflection effort
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Yeah, pulling a rifle out of a headboard and swinging it around to aim at someone threatening one would be so easy. I really doubt tjat it would be of any use at all unless the person did extensive training preparing for such an event.
That sounds like a good idea.
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Something the NRA and other IDPA-like organizations have always pushed for 8)
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Yeah, like food companies claim they want you to lose weight. If the NRA were actually concerned with people being RESPONSIBLE gun owners, it would require gun safety classes with tests that had to be passed to join.
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That's not what the 2nd amendment is about. Your ignorance of the NRA is met only by your ignorance of politics in general, and the Constitution specifically. The NRA consistently & continuously advocates safe firearm handling/usage, providing multiple opportunities & classes, both directly & indirectly, to help in such training. It's then up to people themselves to CHOOSE (it's that damn Freedom thing again) to become more responsible. And most law abiding gun owners do just that. Their desire for a safe and Freedom fulfilled country, per the Constitution, is what the NRA wants in their members
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So why doesn't the NRA require people to take training with every gun they own before joining?
What the NRA is all about is advertising guns for the industry and turning people into paranoids so they will buy more of the damned things.
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Do grocery stores require that your fat intake be x amount of calories, before entering the store. Does the NAACP require you to pass a background check to confirm your black? Are Girl Scouts required to demonstrate proficient cookie baking skills, before becoming a member?? :o
It's an organization that focuses on FREEDOM, for crying out loud!! They don't have to, but they do STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF GUN SAFETY, and have even taken steps to provide, both directly and indirectly opportunities to enahance responsible gun handling & training.
its ludicrous to think they should require some mandated training, just to be a member.
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So why doesn't the NRA require people to take training with every gun they own before joining?
What the NRA is all about is advertising guns for the industry and turning people into paranoids so they will buy more of the damned things.
What can an organization like that require?
They don't require certain things from their membership , how would that work?
What they do is encourage and educate , it is their original purpose.
Are you aware of any other agency that does nearly as much to promote gun safety and training?
No , I don't count any organizations that think that gun absence is gun safety , or that push for the repeal of the bill of rights.
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Just because nobody does more for gun safety than the NRA, that does not mean they are doing an adequate job.
Unless being a whore for the gun industry is their real job, which is exactly how I see them.
Everyone who is likely to own a gun already has one. Most gun sales are to people who already have two or more.
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Because they do support the Constitution and 2nd amendment, in your mind they'll never "do enough of an adequate job" of teaching gun safety. FACT is, they do staunchly push for gun safety & training, not just for members, but any law abiding citizen that chooses to exercise their 2nd amendment rights
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Everyone who is likely to own a gun already has one. Most gun sales are to people who already have two or more.
Even if that were true, despite the clear unsubstantiation to the claim.................................so what if they did?? :o
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Adequacy
That would be good to discuss.
What level of safety can possibly be reached , and could that be called adequate?
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...and who gets to establish what is or isn't "adequate"?
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...and who gets to establish what is or isn't "adequate"?
We do!
I can tell if I am satisfied , you can tell what would satisfy you.
I don't plan to demand infinite freedom , nor expect infinite safety.
I certainly want some co-operation from the government , helping me be safe.
But I want a limit on what the government is empowered to demand of me for my safety's sake lest in the name of safety they remove me far from dangerous freedom.
We are not executives or legislators or judges (as far as I know) so the stakes are small.
But we are all voters , that the executives , legislators and Judges want to vote their way, so the small stake is still there.
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...and who gets to establish what is or isn't "adequate"?
We do!
As in.......the representatives we vote into office? Otherwise, what "we" has any authority to establish anything that everyone else must abide by? And once we start down that road of giving even more power to dictate what is or isn't "adequate", where does that stop?
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...and who gets to establish what is or isn't "adequate"?
We do!
As in.......the representatives we vote into office? Otherwise, what "we" has any authority to establish anything that everyone else must abide by? And once we start down that road of giving even more power to dictate what is or isn't "adequate", where does that stop?
No.
As in I will continue to gripe until I am satisfied, as should we all.
Adequate is ephemeral and abstract, but where the median or average of our wants meet , can be made solid enough to measure and point at.
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So, basically its an individual determination of what is and isn't adequate, as it relates to self defense and firearm purchases. Ok, I can live with that 8)
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Oh yes !
Imagine setting the law for protection so loosely that the most risk loving of us all is satisfied with the resulting freedom?
Imagine setting the law for protection so tightly that the most risk averse is satisfied with the resulting safety?
At either pole most of us would be miserable.
Too much protection and we would have no skydiving , every third employee would be a guard or soldier.
Too little protection and we would commonly be injured by the frequent careless skydivers.
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Mandated bubblewrap for any & all activity, outside of the home, which includes walking to your car in the driveway ;)
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Mandating bubblewrap would be better than requiring everyone to be packing a gun. But I favor neither.
I have lived in a relatively dangerous city for 38 years and have only experienced one break-in and one bike stolen from my front yard.
I put bars on the windows and never leave a bike unattended.
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Mandating bubblewrap would be better than requiring everyone to be packing a gun. But I favor neither.
And who's "requiring" everyone to be packing??
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No one is requiring anyone to wear bubblewrap, either.
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That was a joke, son. It's hyperbole along the lines of an ever pressing government trying to make us "safer"......for our own good. So the joke has a connection with current reality. Where's your connection?
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Sweet Coffee Table!
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That should work with long rifles, but anything with a magazine will need to be placed on its side, and leaving the family with perhaps room for only 1 semi-automatic rifle. I like the concept though 8)
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Next, the best bed ever, with rifle compartments in the mattress, the best bippy ever, a toilet with built-in holsters, and of course, the highchair and crib with storage for derringers and ammo.
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Well, if that's what you like, go for it. Seems like a little overkill to me. Perhaps you're projecting that which is inherently minuscule to you
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What is "overkill"?
There is definitely enough and not enough, is there a definite overkill?
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What is "overkill"?
It's defined as an excess of whatever it is one requires/needs
There is definitely enough and not enough, is there a definite overkill?
Yea......referred to as "more than enough". 8) Based, of course, on the person's personal decision of what they themselves want. If xo really wants a toilet with matching holsters, who am I to claim he doesn't need it, or shouldn't have it
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I have a pantry with five days supply of canned food in it, this is overkill if the longest I am separated from the supermarket is three days.
But how do I know?
Preparing for what may happen one has to guess and put up with imprecision, because guessing the future is notoriously imprecise.
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I have a pantry with five days supply of canned food in it, this is overkill if the longest I am separated from the supermarket is three days.
But how do I know?
That's up to you, not anyone else. Who am I to say "you have enough and shouldn't have any more of x"?
Preparing for what may happen one has to guess and put up with imprecision, because guessing the future is notoriously imprecise.
So true. It's all about context and perspective. Guessing future events is likely a justifiable reason for stocking up. If others want to call it overkill, that's their problem. But in the context that I was using overkill, as it relates to the above noted furniture ideas, is more akin to taking 20 fishing poles on a river fishing trip with just your best friend in tow
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Well... you are right , when it comes to weapons being prepared is subjective and personal.
A large number of people who make no preparation at all will be ok, a few that prepare with potent weapons will be overwhelmed by the unexpected.
You just have to make the decision based on your own best judgment , and your experience and worldview will shape that differently for you than me.
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My guess is that most survival food will be thrown out with the trash and never eaten at all.
Preston Slater was the owner of my home town Western Auto store. He was the father of a classmate. We built a homecoming float at his home in 1958. That was when his daughter showed us his bomb shelter under the garage. It was stocked with dried food and had its own generator. He was determined to see to it that his family survived the coming Nuclear Holocaust. He died of a heart attack in 1962. Of course he had insurance, so he passed the house on to his daughter. She died of a heart attack in 2000. Eventually the house was sold, and there was an article in the local paper about the bomb shelter. The Realtor® of course, knew nothing about it, and neither did any of the neighbors. They ran several photos of all the stockpiles of food and supplies, including the Geiger counter.
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Gunsafes one of those things where heavy is good.
Certainly needs to resist breaking in and must be impossible to open accidentally, ...... but
If the thing isn't hard to move , there is not much point in having it.
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