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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on August 11, 2014, 08:44:20 PM
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Robin Williams died on Monday
http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=881799
If only he could be asked about this, he is the very one to have some way to make this a good joke.
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Very sad....one of the most gifted entertainers I'd ever seen
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Like Jonathon Winters before him, the dude seems to have been manic depressive. It is a hard thing to live with.
I liked all his films, some more than others, but all were worth watching.
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He should have taken the right dose of Xanax!
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10553539_739580589422711_7621719927954303332_n.jpg?oh=14313cae52c538680d3d9b014044efb1&oe=5470F19E)
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uhm
I posted that very subject and I have no problem the attention is on robin Williams in the media at the moment. he is a subject most people know about. middle east is not . not an issue of priority but familiarity.
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Robin Williams was a fellow American, who people identified with.
Americans do not understand or care much about the Middle East. Most think those people are fanatical nutjobs.
They are often right.
People always have their own perspectives.
You need to understand that it does not matter whether Americans beat an eye over ISIS "beheading children in the streets". There is nothing at all they can do about it. All rhetoric from the Middle East is always overblown: they are about to nuke Iran, Iran is about to nuke Israel, Hamas is about to drive all the Jews into the Sea, Armageddon is coming! Be prepared! Jesus will be here any minute! Saddam is stockpiling yellowcake to deliver mushroom clouds! Zionists, Arabs, Iranians always screaming revenge and doom at the top of their lungs. Usually it is bullshit.
LOTS of Americans can sympathize with Robin Williams, because they have friends and relatives that live with manic depression. It is personal with them. Maybe they can learn something from the Robin Williams story to help someone, to understand someone or even themselves better. Nothing any American can do to prevent ISIS from beheading children in the streets, if indeed this is true, which I question.
Copying some ghoulish picture that you copied from some website is NOT personal. It is not even original.
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Robin Williams was a depressed druggie that committed suicide.
Sad & pathetic but really small time in the big picture of things.
Following your silly logic.
There is NOTHING Americans can do about Robin Williams either.
Your loony claim there is nothing Americans can do about ISIS is a crock
American leaders....and thus they are Americans....are VERY CONCERNED about ISIS
and they are starting to take concrete actions to combat ISIS
Actually in truth American leaders are basically not doing squat about Robin Williams.
So again you have it just the opposite of reality.
Of course the level of concern over some druggie committing suicide vs. threats to our national interest is amazing.
But a segment of Americans would prefer to watch some fat ass Kardashian girl while Rome burns.
It's just more of the android society that we now live in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw8WIia47WE
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Robin Williams was a talented man who brought joy to millions. He won an Oscar for his creativity, something YOU will never do.
You, as ever, lack any sort of compassion for anyone not like yourself.
He was not a ne'er do well druggie. He did you no harm.
No one expects the government to do anything about Robin William's suicide. However, many Americans know people with his type of affliction, which was not something he brought upon himself. Perhaps they will prevent some of those they care about from committing suicide.
It is bogus to assume that every story in the media is some sort of call to action. It is bogus to assume that stories like Robin Williams suicide should be squeezed out in order to provide more reasons for you to hate, loathe and abominate Muslims.
ISIS is not a threat to Americans living in America. We are not the world's policemen. We cannot afford to be, and when we have tried to be, we have failed rather miserably at it.
ISIS has a lot of enemies in the Middle East, and they are the ones to deal with it. It=f the US aids the Kurds and rescues the Yazidis, that is fine with me.
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this is interesting
is it the suicide that gets robin Williams off the compassion list. I always found it strange that some christain organization has suicide hotlines. I always get the image of them telling the caller they`re all going to hell and constantly berating them. I say this because I know many Baptist who talk like this. but also note depression is not exactly acknowledge as a problem to some folks also.
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He won an Oscar for his creativity, something YOU will never do.
I have no desire to win an Oscar
Zero desire....I prefer doing what I do.
The "something" he did that I will never .
do is be a druggie that hangs myself.
You, as ever, lack any sort of compassion for anyone not like yourself.
You have no idea what you are talking about,
and you have no idea how my compassion plays
out in everyday life. In fact I think you would be
quite surprised.
He did you no harm.
SIRS STRAW MAN ALERT!
I never said Robin Williams did me any harm.
But I do think the media coverage is an interesting statement about our priorities.
No one expects the government to do anything about Robin William's suicide.
More SIRS STRAW MAN ALERT.
Who stated the gvt needed or was going to do anything about this Hollywood druggie suicide?
You stated nothing could be done about ISIS...and I replied nothing could be done about his suicide either.
Proving your statement was hollow....and didn't make any sense.
However, many Americans know people with his type of affliction, which was not something he brought upon himself.
And how do you know he did not bring it upon himself?
The decision to use illegal drugs and abuse alcohol could easily play a part.
Also there are other life decisions he made that could play large parts.
There is currently no proof that this was no fault of his own....
But yet you state it as fact that it was no fault of his own.
That is an unknown fact at this time.
ISIS is not a threat to Americans living in America. We are not the world's policemen.
We cannot afford to be, and when we have tried to be, we have failed rather miserably at it.
Then why is Obama involving the US Military against ISIS?
Then why did Obama say ISIS pose a medium & long-term threat to Americans?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/22/obama-says-isis-poses-a-medium-and-long-term-threat-to-americans/
Other experts quoted in Time Magazine talk about ISIS
being a threat to the US Homeland.
http://time.com/3096348/isis-iraq-barack-obama-blowback/
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I am willing to say that anyone diagnosed with Manic Depression syndrome is not to blame for their condition.
Mental illness is a disease, it is not something people bring on themselves.
I know several manic depressives pretty well. One smokes pot when her period brings on depression. Another takes pills and recuses himself for weeks at a time.
Not recognizing this as a bona fide disease reveals a lack of compassion to me.
I have also known people who have worked at suicide hotlines affiliated with the Episcopal Church. No one ever tells people they are going to Hell. That would simply cause them to hang up and never call again. When people do call, it is because they want to talk to someone who understands what they are feeling.
I see no reason to lack compassion for someone driven to suicide. Why would anyone do that?
I hear all the time that "suicide is for cowards, neener, neener. But that is bull. Bravery and cowardice is no more a factor than mucus or funny hats.
Time will tell whether ISIS can be neutralized by whatever combination opposes it. ISIS at present might like to be a threat to the US, but first it has to establish itself as some sort of political entity. Being as ISIS consists of fanatics, I am all for its elimination.
But people want to hear more about Robin Williams, because they like him. So the media gives thenm what they like. The media's goal is to peddle commercial products, NPR, PBS, World and the BBC excepted.
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I feel sorry for the pathetic life Robin Williams lived.
I feel sorry for his wife and kids.
The dude did tons of drugs and booze...
You can claim that was no fault of his own
But we all have demons and we all make critical choices that can impact our lives
Like I said....I'd rather be a happy camper than a suicidal Oscar winner.
The dude was obviously not a happy camper.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/sep/20/robin-williams-worlds-greatest-dad-alcohol-drugs
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I do not think his life was pathetic. It was alternatively manic and depressive.
Actors have the job of convincing others (the audience) that they are not themselves, but someone else. Not Robin Williamsm=, but Mrs Doubtfire, or a make actor pretending to be Mrs Doubtfire. Not Robin Williams, but a robot in Centennial Man. Not Robin Williams but the Fisher King. Not Robin Williams but Mork from Ork and a cartoon Aladdin's genie.
That is not an easy task. Williams excelled as an actor ina huge gamut of roles. He was not John Wayne or Sly Stallone, who were good at playing people who greatly resembles Wayne and Stallone.
Most people do not have a choice about what we are. We have this or that personality and these or those talents and we can use the talents we have or not use them. He did not choose to be suicidal. I do not think he took drugs for fun, he took them to prevent himself from going mad.
I see no reason to not give Robin Williams the benefit of the doubt. He was not greedy or malicious. He inflicted no harm deliberately on anyone. He gave millions of people a perspective on a variety of interesting characters that he played.
Ernest Hemingway also committed suicide. He had a fatal cancer and refused to allow it to cripple him and make him miserable.
I have no desire to commit suicide, nor have I contemplated any reason to do so, but it is not a sign that a person is defective or has led a failed life.
We all die. Some people are happier deciding for themselves how and when rather than leaving it up to fate. I refuse to judge them by that standard alone.
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I do not think his life was pathetic. It was alternatively manic and depressive.
We can certainly honestly disagree...
but your two above sentences in my mind don't make any sense.
I guess it boils down to how one defines "pathetic":
"arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness"
If my life was "alternatively manic and depressive" I would think it should arouse pity.
You are so eager to demonize me that you conclude I lack compassion for Robin Williams.
When the very definition of "pathetic" involves "pity".
I feel sorry for the dude....in my mind...no disrespect...I would not want those kind of demons.
Even if those demons propelled me to some kind of wide spread acclaim.
I'd rather be able to relax....be happy....live a normal even keel life...
But hey that's just me....whatever floats your boat.
Lots of very gifted people are unhappy.....
I hear Steve Jobs was a pretty miserable guy.
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As I said, he was alternatively manic and depressed. We have all seen the manic Williams. I do not know if I have ever been as happy as he seemed in some of his films.
We do not have the option of selecting a personality.
Calling him a "pathetic druggy" seems unwarrented". Implying that he was that way because he chose to be that way made it worse.
Perhaps we need a variety of personalities to make like interesting.
Whether we do or not, it is what we have.
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Perhaps we need a variety of personalities to make like interesting.
We certainly agree on that.
I have several very close friends that are quite eccentric.
It is very entertaining and interesting to spend time with them.
The dynamic of extremely gifted and extremely flawed in one person
is something I have always been somewhat fascinated with.
People who are extremely talented in certain areas
of their life and/or profession and
then they are complete inadequate hopeless
characters in other parts of their life.
There are so many examples...
besides Robin Williams
like Eddie Van Halen the rock guitarist.
He is extremely talented, has had so much
fame and fortune, but the guy is a social
incompetent. He may be deeply shy,
he may be deeply insecure, or he may
have other demons....who knows?
We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
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Howard Tayler @howardtayler
The tragic thing about depression is that all these lovely, warm tributes to Robin Williams probably wouldn't have cheered him up.
Howard Tayler has admitted to being depressed before, is it ironic that his business is to create a cartoon every day?
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/
Howard Tayler @howardtayler
Note from the depressed: "I love you" & "you have done wonderful things for me" help a lot more than "cheer up" and "count your blessings.
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whew..
I was getting scared where this was going. lets just say this topic is extremely close to several people here( me included). I aplolized if I went too far also
very very sensitive.
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I suppose this topic is not really far from anyone.
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Rockers at both ends of the spectrum on this topic:
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nikki-sixx-responds-to-gene-simmons-moronic-comments-about-people-suffering-from-depression/
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It turns out that Robin Williams, according to his wife, had been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, the same incurable disease that Pope John Paul had. I imagine that was an important factor in his deciding to kill himself. Hemingway committed suicide because he was diagnosed with cancer. The idea of suffering in pain withoiut being able to speak for months or years with tubes sticking out of you is not a pleasant one.
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For informational & educational purposes, that's a rarity for even end stage Parkinson's. Parkinson's hits the Nervous system, in particular the portion of the nervous system we generally take for granted, that of automatic movements, like simply walking. It gets harder to both initiate and control those movements There's rarely any pain involved and most folks speak just fine, though it gets harder to "hear them", because its less audible for the rest of us to hear them, in the latter stages
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It turns out that Robin Williams, according to his wife, had been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease,
How far along was he?
I think Ali has lived with it for years.
However I suppose each patient differs.
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From watching John Paul II, I would say that Parkinson's does not seem like a whole lot of fun, no matter how you end up.
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No, it's not a pleasant disease. That's for sure
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SIRS is that what Michael J. Fox has had for like 25 years?
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Yes.....it's a progressive neurological disorder. He was diagnosed with it, back in the early 1990's
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Robin Williams decision was his and his alone to make. I doubt if I'd do the same.
It is unfair to dismiss him as "another crazy druggie"
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not fair using Michael j. fox as an excuse to not do suicide. it`s like saying if you can chug a bottle of jack anybody can. remember nobody was taught not to kill themselves so we fortunately our survival limit is naturally at decent level to begin with. which why teens are a more concern than adults due to less tolerance. it can be said maybe Williams youthful nature may of been a factor
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I'm not using anyone for anything, outside of referencing the facts regarding Parkinson's
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not fair using Michael j. fox as an excuse to not do suicide.
who said that?
And even if they did...
is it "fair" to use very early stage Parkinson's as an excuse for suicide?
when the overwhelming majority of people with that disease dont take the suicide route?
can you quote any legitmate medical source or professional psychological source
that would ok suicide as justified when people have early stage Parkinson's disease?
if not, then why is ok for XO to obviously try and make it as a legitimate exuse?
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as an excuse for a tipping point possible. but note if it`s used as a factor for suicide than attention for a cure would be increased. suicide as a byproduct of depression would mean more attention for treatment for it. note not very much is this talk about preventing people to stop .
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I think the general point that C is making is valid. As much love & laughter Robin has provided this globe, he did commit suicide, for whatever reason he convinced himself that he had to. We should not be glorifying it or ignoring the addictions he chose to delve into. No one is perfect, especially liberal comedians, but he also deserves the respect he earned in providing so many with smiles & laughter. I'm also reminded of the efforts he took to visit our troops and children in hospitals.
Our society is fascinated with celebrity status, and made more so with untimely celebrity deaths. Robin is getting all this attention, not so much because of his talent, but because of how many lives he touched, and the world is a little bit darker with his loss. That doesn't equate or justify the 24/7 coverage of his death and the circumstances around it, but it does help explain it
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I reject the concept that a person needs to justify his suicide to the world in any way. It is the most personal decision anyone can make, and I do not see how anyone needs "Christians" permission or anyone's to justify it.
Michael J. Fox is not Robin Williams or Ernest Hemingway.
All I can say is that I doubt that I would commit suicide under the same conditions. But I am not manic depressive.
No one needs an "excuse" to commit suicide, just as no one needs a hall pass to visit city hall.
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Who's trying to "justify suicide"?? Or even requires anyone's permission?? ???
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That is an interesting question to ask.
Does a person have a right to his own suicide?
The Culture of the US has long been set to discourage suicide ,with much opprobrium applied.
Some cultures , like traditional Japan , or Imperial Rome, considered suicide a legitimate solution for certain sorts of problem.
How is suicide ,in practice , forbidden?
I don't like suicide , but I am ambivalent about how far the state or culture should go in making it hard to do or how to apply opprobrium.
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No, they don't have a "right", but then can do anything they want....to themselves. Suicide is considered the most selfish thing a person can do to themself. And when you consider that its deemed illegal to commit suicide, not to mention how it generally voids life insurance plans, the answer to if suicide is a "right", unless someone can point it out in the Constitution some where, would appear to be a "no"
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There are rights not mentioned in the constitution.
Like a right to privacy.
Is there no right to choose suicide?
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No, you don't have a "right", but you can chose to do anything you want to your body. Ingesting Heroin isn't a right, but you are perfectly within your perrogative to do it. You don't have a right to a porterhouse steak, but you definately have the freedom to eat one
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This makes me wonder if we mean the same thing when we say the word "right".
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Whether suicide is selfish or not depends entirely on the circumstances. The Church makes a big deal of the afterlife, but if people were to off themselves to get to the next life, that would be economically disastrous for the Church, so they have to preach against it.
Was Hitler's suicide selfish? How about Hemingway's? I do not see where suicide is necessarily selfish.
It is not something I am contemplating, because I enjoy being alive.
I think the Theme song from mash was a good take on the subject.
Suicide is Painless.
Through early morning fog I see
Visions of the things to be
The pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
[REFRAIN]:
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
I try to find a way to make
All our little joys relate
Without that ever-present hate
But now I know that it's too late, and...
[REFRAIN]
The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
So this is all I have to say.
[REFRAIN]
The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
And to another give my seat
For that's the only painless feat.
[REFRAIN]
The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...
[REFRAIN]
A brave man once requested me
To answer questions that are key
Is it to be or not to be
And I replied 'oh why ask me?'
[REFRAIN]
'Cause suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you please.
Songwriters: MANDEL, JOHNNY / ALTMAN, MICHAEL B
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...., but if people were to off themselves to get to the next life, that would be economically disastrous for the Church,....
Is that the key? That death is a disaster to community even if it is welcomed by an individual?
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The death of SOME people might be a disaster to the community, but other people's demise might bring improvements.
It is certain, however, that the dead will not be putting money in the Church's collection plate.
I recall reading about a Gnostic movement related to Christianity in Egypt whose members included suicide as a ritual.
Of course, a church whose members off themselves in great numbers will not be around for long.
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Taxpayers should stay alive too.
Government does for you now what the church did 500 years ago.
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I reject the concept that a person needs to justify his suicide to the world in any way. It is the most personal decision anyone can make, No one needs an "excuse" to commit suicide, just as no one needs a hall pass to visit city hall.
Again....can you quote any legitimate medical source or professional
psychological source that would ok or advocate suicide for any reason?
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A visit to city hall.
"I would like to commit suicide"
"Do you have a permit sir?"
"No"
""Marriage Licenses , suicide permits and dog registrations are sold in office 27B one floor up"
"Thank You"
" Your Welcome sir"
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This makes me wonder if we mean the same thing when we say the word "right".
Perhaps.....I see "right" as its traditional constitutional/legal application/definition. Where's your version of "right" coming from?
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whoa
right to suicide??? justify suicide???
this was not my intention at all. I`m critique how people view suicide as a failing to be frown upon period. what I mean by period it end as such with very little effort to stop it. all this talk it about the person did wrong but nothing to learn from it to stop the next guy. the issue is here is depression so why are we not saying ok it happened to robin and what can we learn here.
remember I did state I know Christians who idea to stop a suicide is to tell their going to hell. note that one of person who said it was a minister. I critique this method greatly.
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Again....can you quote any legitimate medical source or professional
psychological source that would ok or advocate suicide for any reason?
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Can you provide documentation of where it says that anyone need this?
No authority is required.
You could buzz on out to California and inform Robin Williams of this of this.
That would surely result in his immediate resurrection.
One could argue that Jesus committed suicide by not running away.
Not all that effective an argument, because he refused to stay dead.
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whoa
right to suicide??? justify suicide???
this was not my intention at all.
I wouldn't stress Kimba. Plane was simply asking questions, and unlike some posters here, I actually try to make an effort to answer a question being posed to me. I think my prior response (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=18246.msg158205#msg158205) related to comments in comprehending the point Cu4 was making, pretty much says it all for me, on this topic
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"Our sources say Parkinson's disease wasn't nearly as significant a factor in his depression as "The Crazy Ones."
We're told Robin knew he had the disease for 5 months.
One confidant tells us, "Robin was told by doctors the medications were so great he wouldn't
even start to show symptoms for 6 or 7 years."
http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/16/robin-williams-the-crazy-ones-cancelled-depression-suicide/
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hmm
he did get help for his depression but it`s wasn`t enough. obviously
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Sadly, that appears to be the case :'(
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hard to believe, but Williams may have been having financial problems as well
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the money thing is a tricky one. despite the problems his age may cause I truly believe he`s still highly bankable in some way.I watched every episode of the crazy ones and loved it. he`s just need to find what works.
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true Kimba....he wasn't broke...but hated getting old and not being offered the roles he once was
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but not being offered roles shouldn`t be a sign of failure since movies out there are hardly compatible with most actors. only a very smallbunch of actors are not pigeonholes as type. ex. Michael sheen,meryle streep .
maybe take a paycut and go indie films to stay busy. we`ll never know
ex. good will hunting
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hey!
he`s being protested by the westboro Baptist church. now he`s placed among mister rogers an military service men.
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I am pretty sure that if I were in Williams situation, I would not think of committing suicide.
But I do think that he had the indisputable right to choose for himself.
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Anyone can do anything to themselves. Who's argued otherwise??
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That would be CU4 who said, and I quote,
is it "fair" to use very early stage Parkinson's as an excuse for suicide?
when the overwhelming majority of people with that disease dont take the suicide route?
can you quote any legitmate medical source or professional psychological source
that would ok suicide as justified when people have early stage Parkinson's disease?
if not, then why is ok for XO to obviously try and make it as a legitimate exuse?
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I did not say that it was a "legitimate excuse". I said that Robin Williams thought it was a valid solution to hos situation, and said that no one NEEDS an excuse, valid or otherwise, to commit suicide. Robin William's suicide was not my decision.
CU4 presents me as some sort of enabler.
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At no time did any of that ever infer that he couldn't do anything to himself, including sucide. He merely debates that he really didn't have a rational reason to commit suicide.
But no one, including Cu4 has said Robin, or anyone else for that matter, can't do whatever they want to themselves. That's the foundation of rights, in that you can do anything you want to yourself, so long as it doesn't impact the rights of someone else
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again the topic of suicide is that it`s wrong and a leaning toward a wrong decision to goto. but for some reason no talk on prevention . Williams has depression and Parkinson`s disease. but I just found yesterday It`s very common for people with PK to has increased level of depression. I`m saying instead of saying Robin Williams made the wrong choice. why not say suicide might be a wrong choice so how we do try to cut those numbers down like find more ways to reduce depression. just pointing out how common the topic of suicide(in general) tends to go toward ( the highly unproductive practice) grave dancing.
I`ll will note Williams got much less attacks than is common. sadly I can`t say his daughter was spared ,it`s very disconcerting how bad internet trolls are.
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That's a good observation, Kimba. IIRC, certain meds for Parkinson's, reduce "inhibition", meaning that potentially where a person who's thinking about suicide will otherwise chose not to, the lack of inhibition could then allow the scale to tip the other way. Just speculation of course, but there were a plethora of circumstances involved that ultimately made Robin think there was no way out.
This has always been an issue with me, as a Medical professional.....that of medications. So many studies are done on side effects of certain medications, but not near enough studies are performed on the side effects when certain medications for differing diagnoses are thrown togehter
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don`t for forget some anti-depression meds starting side-effects is extreme depression. so sometimes the treatment is a risk.
my intention is not make Williams a symbol or anything but simply a final wakeup call on certain issues that should get greater attention to treat and/or prevent. one article about him even encourage to use of the prevention hotline
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Robin Williams
Suicide Was 'Spontaneous'
NOT Premeditated
8/18/2014
http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/18/robin-williams-suicide-planned-hanged-himself-death/
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Leads me back to my medication theory, if indeed he was on any Parkinson's meds
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I am all for people voluntarily calling suicide hotlines before offing themselves, because death being rather permanent.
I really liked Robin Williams as an actor and would preferred to have him around, making films.
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since I`ve been talking about it, I don`t recall seeing poster for those hotlines,not saying there not around but I think I just naturally ignore them. I just hope their more noticeable for those who need them
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Suicide.org will give these state by state.
I imagine if you were to call 911 and request a suicide hotline, you would find one immediately.
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Interesting....it appears Rob Schneider is in agreement with mine and Kimba's theories (http://www.thewrap.com/rob-schneider-blames-robin-williams-suicide-on-drugs-for-parkinsons-disease/), related to Parkinson's meds contributing to a higher risk of suicide.
Rob however, seems to be going out there though and literally blaming the Pharmaceutical industry, specifically, for Robin's death. ::)
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I can't agree with blaming . I undestand his outrage . But our reality has alot of could be done but didn't. I'm a believer we should simply learn from these things and go on. Blame tends to gum things up and often it deter the wrong things
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agreed.....Robin made this decision
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I hope if this idiot Rob Schneider ever gets sick
he refuses to take drugs that are produced by
"The Evil pharmaceutical industry".
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actually he`s is like that. awhile back he hit a turning point which radically changed his worldview of things. strangely it had no effect on his comic skills at all. I heard him onsome podcast and he`s still sharp as ever. so on a personal level he`ll bore you about the trouble of the world but on the stage he`ll make you laugh till you can`t breathe.
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Most drugs are highly effective, in my experience.
Some drugs are ineffective or have contraindications for certain people, and of course, not everyone follows the advice of their doctor, and take drugs together that should not be taken together.
Since Rob Schneider, who is not a doctor and does not even play one on television, does not know what drugs Williams might have been taking, there is no reason for anyone to take him seriously. It is conceivable that some prescription could have had some effect, and everyone has surely heard disclaimers on prescription drug ads that this or that might cause people to think about suicide. But Rob Schneider, like all comedians, seeks publicity.
Pharmaceutical companies have no interest in producing drugs that cause people to commit suicide.
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I`m on massive amounts of medications to stabilze my blood pressure. I often heard from people with way less medical knowledge than me(failed veterinary major) to just give up meds and go herbal or some holistic stuff. I know enough to be aware if I take their advice it can get fatal for me. also I kinda did that when I had no insurance so I know first hand it was a very bad idea.
just saying big pharma does have drugs that works very well but it`s just simply don`t work for everyone and sometimes has bad side effects. I bruise when I eat with large amounts of vitamin k
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I am impressed with all the pills I take. I have four prescriptions,and they all do exactly as they are supposed to.
Only one is not generic, so they are covered by my Medicare Advantage Plan. The generic one costs me $95 every three months.
There are thousands of prescription drugs, and people are different, so it is logical that not all work as well as they are intended.
I do not think that many drugs that can only be bought with a prescription should require a prescription. The prices of proprietary drugs are often way higher than the cost of developing and manufacturing merits.
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But I do think that he had the indisputable right to choose (suicide) for himself.
I guess this State Trooper disagrees with you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCMx3gQSZ4
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Oh, get serious!
If I were in Robin Williams house I would have probably done the same thing.
People have the right to try to kill themselves. Every once in a while, they succeed.
Legality is one thing, compassion is something different. I do not confuse the two.