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WE'LL TELL YOU HOW DANGEROUS EBOLA IS AFTER THE ELECTION
October 15, 2014
There had never been a case of Ebola in the U.S. until a few months ago. Since then, thousands of people have died of the disease in Africa, and millions upon millions of dollars have been spent treating Ebola patients in the U.S. who acquired it there, one of whom has died.
But the Obama administration refuses to impose a travel ban.
This summer, the U.S. government imposed a travel ban on Israel simply to pressure Prime Minister Netanyahu into accepting a ceasefire agreement. But we can't put a travel restriction on countries where a contagious disease is raging.
It's becoming increasingly clear this is just another platform for Obama to demonstrate that we are citizens of the world. The entire Ebola issue is being discussed, by our government, not the United Nations, as if Liberians are indistinguishable from Americans, and U.S. taxpayers should be willing to pay whatever it takes to save them.
Maybe we should give them the vote, too! If Ebola was concentrated in Finland and Norway -- certainly Israel! -- we'd have had a travel ban on Day One.
The head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Tom Frieden, justifies Obama's refusal to prohibit flights originating in Ebola-plagued countries, saying, "A travel ban is not the right answer. It's simply not feasible to build a wall, virtual or real, around a community, city or country."
What is it with liberals living in gated communities always telling us that fences don"t work? THAT'S WHAT A QUARANTINE IS.
At the congressional hearing on Ebola last week, Republicans repeatedly pressed the CDC representative, Dr. Toby Merlin, to explain why Obama refuses to impose a travel ban.
In about 17 tries, Merlin came up with no plausible answer. Like Frieden, Merlin kept insisting that "the only way to protect Americans" is to end the epidemic in Africa.
Why, precisely, must we attack Ebola in Africa? Research on a cure doesn't require cuddling victims in their huts. Scientists who discovered the AIDS cocktail didn't spend their nights at Studio 54 in order to "fight the disease at its source."
Until there's a treatment, we can't put out the disease there, or here. The only thing Americans will be doing in Liberia is changing the bedpans of victims, getting infected and bringing Ebola back to America. When there's a vaccine, we can mail it.
Naturally, Obama is sending troops from the 101st Airborne, the pride of our Army, to Liberia. Their general should resign in protest.
Merlin further explained the travel ban, saying that if West Africans can't fly to America, "that would cause the disease to grow in that area and spill over into other countries." So instead of infecting people in surrounding countries, our CDC wants them to come here and infect Americans.
But that won't happen because the government assures us there's nothing to worry about with Ebola. They've got it under control.
Unfortunately, everything the government says about this disease keeps being proved untrue, usually within a matter of days.
They told us that you'd basically have to roll in an infected person's vomit to catch the disease.
Then, nurses at two first-world hospitals in Spain and the U.S. contracted Ebola from patients.
With no evidence, the CDC simply announced that the nurses were not following proper "protocol."
The disease didn't operate the way CDC said it would, so the hospitals must be lying.
The government told us that national quarantines won't work, but then they quarantine everyone with Ebola -- or who has been near someone with Ebola, such as an entire NBC crew. To me, this suggests that there's some value in keeping people who have been near Ebola away from people who have not.
Quite obviously, the only way to protect Americans is to prevent Ebola from coming here in the first place. The problem isn't that Ebola will leap across oceans to infect Americans; it's that Obama doesn't want to protect Americans.
At least he's only putting expendable Americans on the frontlines of the Ebola epidemic, doctors, nurses, members of the 101st Airborne.
At the moment, more than 13,000 West Africans have travel visas to come to the U.S. Having just seen an Ebola-infected Liberian get $500,000 worth of free medical treatment in the U.S., the first thing any African who might have Ebola should do is get himself to America.
Of all the reasons people have for coming here, welfare, drug-dealing, Medicare scams, "I have Ebola and I'm going to die, otherwise" is surely one of the strongest. The entire continent of Africa now knows that this is a country that will happily spend half a million dollars on treating someone who just arrived, and then berate itself for not doing enough.
Thomas Eric Duncan's family may be upset with his treatment, but they have to admit, the price was right. Medical bill: $0.00. Your next statement will arrive in 30 days.
And now we're going to have to let in entire families with Ebola, because the important thing is, actually, I don't know why. It's some technical, scientific point about fences not working.
Republicans, Americans, have got to demand Frieden's resignation. If only we could demand Obama's.
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-10-15.html
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Ann COulter as usual, is a hateful, stupid BITCH, doing hateful things stupidly and bitchily.
She should be thrown out of the human race.
She would fit in well with the hyenas.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN-br6enze4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN-br6enze4
This guy seems to be severely humor challenged.
But he feels as if being vicious is a good idea and is funny when he does it, hm?
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Coulter is the most vicious bitch of them all. She has it coming. Her sole purpose is to annoy people by saying hateful crap.
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She can take it.
That is part of her charm, she remains cogent and pithy while her critics rage past the limits of ordinary language.
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No, all she does is rattle off more crap.
She rattles of the most crap prior to publishing one of her horrid books.
I go to a lot of yard sales in rich neighborhoods, like Coral Gables, because rich people have cooler discards and sell it cheaper. They need the space.
Lots of Coulter on sale 50 cents, a quarter by 3:00 PM. No one wants to read her crap twice, it seems. At least no sane people. I never comment on politics when buying stuff.
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I think I have never met a conservative so narrow-minded that he thought George Carlton was not funny.
So my club has demonstrably better appreciation of humor.
This helps me maintain my conservatively superior attitude , in spite of my awesome humility.
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More of the same....
Kill The Messeneger
Demonize the Messenger
Call her a BITCH!
Instead of responding to one single fact.
Ha Ha.....aw the sweet taste of VICTORY!
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So true
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Coulter is not a messenger, she is a professional bitch.
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"To call it childish would be unfair to children. In fact, if you had a group of 11-year-olds, they would surely have a superior answer to the question: "Sick people are coming through the door of the house, and we are not sure how to make them well. Meanwhile they are starting to make us sick, too. What is the first thing to do"?
The children would reply: "Close the door." One would add: "Just for a while, while you figure out how to treat everyone getting sick." Another might say: "And keep going outside the door in protective clothing with medical help." Eleven-year-olds would get this one right without a lot of struggle.
If we don't momentarily close the door to citizens of the affected nations, it is certain that more cases will come into the U.S. It is hard to see how that helps anyone. Closing the door would be no guarantee of safety, nothing is guaranteed, and the world is porous. But it would reduce risk and likelihood, which itself is worthwhile.
Africa, by the way, seems to understand this. The Associated Press on Thursday reported the continent's health-care officials had limited the threat to only five countries with the help of border controls, travel restrictions, and aggressive and sophisticated tracking."
http://online.wsj.com/articles/who-do-they-think-we-are-1413502475
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Preventing the entry of sick people is what is required.
Coulter does not know diddly about diseases, and we have a lot of congressmen who are also ignorant of the subject.
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Her sole purpose is to annoy people by saying hateful crap.
You mean like "Coulter does not know diddly about diseases", "all she does is rattle off more crap. She rattles of the most crap prior to publishing one of her horrid books.", "Coulter is not a messenger, she is a professional bitch." and "Coulter is the most vicious bitch of them all. She has it coming
Like that bit of hateful crap?
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Preventing the entry of sick people is what is required.
DUH.....but Ebola incubates for 21 days before it shows up
so there is no sure way to know who has it and who doesn't
thus the travel/flight restrictions should be imposed immediately as other countries are doing already.
(http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20141016&t=2&i=984060145&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=580&pl=378&r=LYNXNPEA9F13R)
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(http://s27.postimg.org/dest5q7zn/Ebola_Tx.jpg)
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There is no way, of course, that Obama would ask for a travel ban on Israel.
You make up the dumbest crap. Why do you do that?
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There is no way, of course, that Obama would ask for a travel ban on Israel.
You make up the dumbest crap. Why do you do that?
He already has done that....that's the point!
Obama will easily drop selected flight bans on Israel
But refuses to use one on Liberia when Ebola is being brought into our country!
(http://d1w7nqlfxfj094.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/128x128_cnnbrk_avatar.gif)
July 22, 2014
"The Federal Aviation Administration ordered U.S. airlines to stop flying to or from Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport for at least 24 hours,
and the European Aviation Safety Agency issued a warning to its airlines to stop its flights"
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/22/travel/israel-flights-suspended/
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Belize and Mexico at least have some common sense that Obama doesn't.
http://www.waow.com/story/26815997/2014/10/17/cruise-ship-is-turned-away-from-mexico-due-to-ebola
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And suppose that he did not do this, and a whole planeload of Jews was blown up. Then you would be bitching because he failed to suspend flights. Israel would start another invasion of Gaza and whack another thousand people, most of them innocent.
24 hours is hardly the same thing as a ban on a month or more of flights from three countries. Most people coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia doe not fly direct, anyway.
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http://www.nhregister.com/general-news/20141014/britain-bars-direct-flights-to-african-regions-afflicted-by-ebola
I think this is a pretty small issue , it might even be moot.
There are no scheduled flights to the three countries of West Africa,( Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea) most affected right now.
There can't be much of a ban on connecting flights either, that would be like a ban on flight.
Chartered flights are necessary but are pretty easy to handle in their small numbers so far.
Some countries that did have direct flights have reduced or stopped them , this probably helps , and we should know these facts , but we don't control it.
Everyone in the airport being monitored for fever is probably possible, and a faster test for Ebola virus would be very useful, so would a vaccine.
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Ebola is one thing, danger from Palestinians rockets is something else.
Banning flights from Africa would not be useful in controlling Ebola.
The Liberian that died in Dallas did not know he was infected, and when he went to the hospital, they sent him home. They might have saved him had they not done that.
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The Liberian that died in Dallas did not know he was infected, and when he went to the hospital, they sent him home. They might have saved him had they not done that.
Oh bullshit....this guy knew he was most likely infected
that's why he came here....he lied and now Americans
pay the price.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/health/ebola-us/
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/10/03/Boss-Coworkers-of-US-Ebola-Patient-He-Knew-He-Had-Ebola-US-Trip-Was-Desperate-Attempt-to-Survive
BTW....even-though flights go through Europe.
passports can be inspected and passenegers
denied access to flights to the United States.
If Obama allows many more of these half-wits
in to infect more Americans a travel ban will soon be in place.
I am predicting Obama will be forced to
place a travel ban within 2 weeks.
The American people agree and want a travel ban!
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/14/poll-67-percent-want-ebola-travel-ban/
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/majority-americans-want-flights-banned-ebola-countries-survey-n221751
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It would not accomplish the goal of preventing the spread of the disease.
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The goal would be to prevent the spread of the disease.....into the U.S.
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It would not accomplish the goal of preventing the spread of the disease.
Why not?
It would seem that anything that slowed the dispersal of infected persons would be useful .
What did we learn while Smallpox and polio mellitus was being fought?
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So far as I know, no borders were closed against polio or smallpox.
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And no one is claiming we "close the borders", as in not allowing ANYONE in, either ::)
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Of course not, since it is utterly impossible.
This country does not have "open borders" . You can easily prove this for yourself, just trot over to Tijuana and see how easy it is to get back into the US without having to present an ID to the Border Patrol. The US Mexico border is NOT an "open border"
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Of course not, since it is utterly impossible.
Exactly....once again, arguing a point, NO ONE IS MAKING. This country does have advocates of making it as easy as possible to enter this country, ANYWHERE, not just thru Tijuana....literally just waving some credential, while passing by. THAT's what is meant as open borders
The point being here that it is in the best interest of the U.S. to more strictly enforce our borders and immigration policy, in light of increased terrorist activity and now the Ebola debacle. NOT to make them even more porous. That doesn't equate to closing them to everyone, professor literal, but it does include a position of limiting, if not temporarily ceasing flights into the U.S. from locations that came out of West Africa. Try arguing a point actually being made, for a change
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This country does not have "open borders" . You can easily prove this for yourself, just trot over to Tijuana and see how easy it is to get back into the US without having to present an ID to the Border Patrol. The US Mexico border is NOT an "open border"
Yeah sure...as if all the illegal invaders are coming thru border checks!
Do you even really believe the crap you post?
Do you really think the 20 millions illegals rolled thru border checks?
Yeah we dont have "open borders" but 20 million illegals are fricking here!
(http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/IllegalsLongLineBrush.jpg)
(http://www.aei.org/files/2012/04/25/img-undocumented-workers-cross-from-mexico-illegal-immigration-getty_054021770795.jpg_item_large.jpg)
(http://intellectualconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/ilgsimgrnts2.jpg)
(http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100506/640/how_illegal_aliens_640_49.jpg)
(http://richardsf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/CalaisIllegalImmigrants.jpg)
we certainly do have open borders!
we may not have open border check points
but we have open borders that once acrossed we cater to illegals
Si come get "free" medicine
Si come get "free" education for los ninos!
Si come get drivers license
Si come get your welfare!
Si come get su casa!
Si come get utilities turned on.
We no checkie anything...
Si come on in & crowd our freeways, jails, schools, hospitals, and infrastructure!
http://freebeacon.com/politics/maine-democrat-would-allow-illegal-immigrants-to-continue-to-receive-government-assistance/
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You offer photos of people that were caught.
That is unconvincing and bogus.
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You offer photos of people that were caught.
That is unconvincing and bogus.
Do you think a majority of attempts end in apprehensions?
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a fraction of a fraction
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I have no idea.
But I do know bogus.
Just cross the border and try it yourself or stop blathering about "open borders".
You are delusional.
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"open" Is a matter of degree.
No potential for closing it airtight.
No tolerance for a fully open border.
What we have is a border that is too open and could be closed somewhat better.
There are millions who have successfully crossed illegally, this is one occasion in which conservatives wish that the government had firmer control of the situation.
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BINGO
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The border is harder to cross now than it was when Juniorbush was president. MUCH harder to cross than when Reagan was president. It cannot be sealed.
This is just another issue that ignorant 'baggers like to fuss about when they are not plotting the abolition of the NAACP.
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The border is harder to cross now than it was when Juniorbush was president. MUCH harder to cross than when Reagan was president. It cannot be sealed.
What changed to make crossing illegally more difficult?
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There are more agents, they built more walls, they have more sophisticated equipment to detect people trying to cross.
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There are more agents, they built more walls, they have more sophisticated equipment to detect people trying to cross.
The success is the Republican platform in action?
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That is what has been done since 2008.
The Republicans are getting exactly what they want: inaction.
Many industries depend on the cheap labor of illegal aliens: construction in particular.
These workers are much easier to deal with if they are illegals. They will not try to unionize, they will not complain to OSHA if asked to perform dangerous work that is prohibited by OSHA or to deal with dangerous chemicals.
If President Obama built a wall 20 feet high armed with sensors, the GOP would complain about the cost. Note that Congress allocates funds for border security, and the President cannot spend more than he is giver foir enforcement,
By preventing any real change, the fatcats that employ the illegals get their compliant cheap labor, tha the GOP gets the votes of the ignorant teabaggers who scream NO AMNESTY every fifteen minutes.
There is no action, because inaction gets the GOP votes from the dunces and cheap labor for agriculture, construction and other poorly paid industries.
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BINGO
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1501674_635313139862152_293318458_n.jpg?oh=1ff09774a34e39910d4aad7b470fd774&oe=54BDB239)
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Don't forget that Mexico is quite duplicitous, as they largely have military stationed along their southern border, but will streamline any effort to wisk immigrants across that border, thru their country, and dump them along the edges of our border, where the human coyotes apparently take over, crossing our supposedly much harder-to-cross border, in exponentially higher #'s than under under Bush or Reagan
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Mexicans expel Central Americans from the Tapachula border every day, in the hundreds.
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Which changes nothing to what I just posted. In fact, it reinforces my point in how illegal immigrants crossing into Mexico from the south are met with a military response, unless they're being streamlined for a quick transition across the country for imminent entry into the U.S.
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Just cross the border and try it yourself or stop blathering about "open borders". You are delusional.
This guy at the 42 second mark answers XO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A22GFs3jxqc
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Unless this shows you striding across the "open border" I am not taking it seriously.
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Unless this shows you striding across the "open border" I am not taking it seriously.
yeah we have a closed/secure border and that's why over 20 million illegals are here in the US now.
ha ha....you fail to make logical sense.....reality don't lie.
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Yeah, all 20 million of them snuck by since Obama was elected.
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So you concede the millions who have crossed over illegally, despite the claim we have such a supposed "secure border". Glad we have that cleared up
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That is what has been done since 2008.
The Republicans are getting exactly what they want: inaction.
Many industries depend on the cheap labor of illegal aliens: construction in particular.
These workers are much easier to deal with if they are illegals. They will not try to unionize, they will not complain to OSHA if asked to perform dangerous work that is prohibited by OSHA or to deal with dangerous chemicals.
If President Obama built a wall 20 feet high armed with sensors, the GOP would complain about the cost. Note that Congress allocates funds for border security, and the President cannot spend more than he is giver foir enforcement,
By preventing any real change, the fatcats that employ the illegals get their compliant cheap labor, tha the GOP gets the votes of the ignorant teabaggers who scream NO AMNESTY every fifteen minutes.
There is no action, because inaction gets the GOP votes from the dunces and cheap labor for agriculture, construction and other poorly paid industries.
You are telling me that Republicans want more illegal immigration?
And that Democrats are busy establishing firm control of the border?
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I have no idea how many illegals are here, but it is not as many as 20 million, and most arrived before Obama was elected.
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Some Republicans, particularly those that are in agriculture and construction do indeed want illegals. They are cheaper hire and they do not complain.
Most Democrats was a comprehensive reform bill, because most Hispanics are Democrats and have family and friens=ds ate at are here illegally, yes.
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The point being there are millions who are crossing our supposed very secure border. NO, you never said it was a closed border, so don't try pulling the literal card. You did say how its so much better enforced, when reality exponentially more folks are crossing it illegally under this President, and his pledge to grant amnesty to so many, than ever crossed it under Bush or Reagan....when, according to you, the border was that much more pourus
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That is untrue and bullshit and you ought to know it.
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That is 100% true and reality and you ought to know it
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Yeah, all 20 million of them snuck by since Obama was elected.
actually there are not as many crossing these days because Obama has done such a crappy job with the economy.
i guess that's the only silver lining of Obama's shit economy....less illegals wanna come now.
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Not as many Mexicans, but far more Central Americans....when word got to them of Obama's "promises"
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I am confused SIRS....I thought illegal immigration had dropped a bit...
but these charts seems to paint conflicting pictures
i guess it depends who you ask.
Any way you cut it....it is way way too many...illegal invaders!
(http://immigration.procon.org/files/1-illegal-immigration-images/US_population_compared_to_immigrant_in_US_illegally_population.PNG)
(http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/01/hispanic-2012-12-06-hispanic-01.png)
(http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/8/89/Illegalstats.gif)
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A little confusing perhaps, but you're right on 2 fronts, 1) what stats you look at, and 2) the economy
The latter definately has caused a decline of illegal Mexican immigrants, though they still pour in. What is pouring in, in record #'s are all those immigrants that Obama pledged could stay from other countries, if they were supposedly running away from persecution. Those #'s are soaring...and made worse in that the Mexican government is literally helping them cross their country.
So yea, Illegal Mexican Immigration is down....a little. Illegal Everything-else immigration is shooting up
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and made worse in that the Mexican government is literally helping them cross their country.
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Literally?
You have no proof of this.
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Sure I have. (now this is the part where I guess I'm supposed to tell you to go look it up. That is your SOP)
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yeah, the Mexican government is issuing them first class passes on Transportes Chihuahuenses.
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That would again fit under 1) yet again (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=18394.msg161022#msg161022), using extreme hyperbole to deflect from the point being made. Bravo
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Sure I have. (now this is the part where I guess I'm supposed to tell you to go look it up. That is your SOP)
Since I'm actually of the sort that does prefer to back up my opinion/claims with credible facts: (http://www.libertynews.com/2014/07/unreal-mexico-announces-it-will-now-fully-assist-guatemala-in-flooding-u-s-with-illegal-immigrants/)
Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Guatemalan president Otto Perez Molina held a joint press conference in Playas de Catazaja, Mexico, to officially announce an agreement to make it easier for those making the illegal journey to the United States from Central America, to cross into Mexico. The Southern Border Program to Improve Passage, will provide for more border checkpoints along Mexico’s border with Guatemala, and offer more protection and even emergency medical care to those making their way north. The illegal aliens will receive a so-called Regional Visitor’s Card, according to El Universal.
And before the professor tries to ignore the message, and start trying to torpedo the messenger, that would again be an effort to deflect from the facts of the story being provided....unless of course he actually intends to refute these facts with credible facts of his own. (read, not just his opinion of how bogus the web site is supposed to be and simply can't be taken seriously....screeching nanananananana.....you can't make me hear you or listen to you.....nanananananana, with hands over the ears...followed by firmly sticking head in the ground)
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So what are you saying, that Obama is derelict because he should have Mexico's president arrested?
I suppose that you are one of those people just terrified by the invasion of swarms of ten year old children on their way to visit their parents.
The reason why Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala have gangs is directly traceable to the clandestine war fought in support of Fascist governments in those countries by Ronald Stupid FuckingAsshole Reagan.
My classroom was next door to the Opa Locka Aireport in Miami. The Airforce had a plane leaving every hour to support the nun raping Bishop murdering Arena Party allies of old asshole Reagan. May he and every one of his evil handlers rot in Hell forever.
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So what are you saying, that Obama is derelict because he should have Mexico's president arrested?
DEFLECTION ALERT!!
You were getting all hot under the collar that the Mexican Government would even dream of assisting folks across their border, as in "obviously they don't", with your snarks at me. Then I demonstrate that in fact they do. When I back up my claim (unlike some folks), you switch gears so fast, you probably stripped the transmission, into making this into what I think Obama could possibly do to the Mexican President :o.
I'm one of those people that highlights Government ineptitude, hypocrisy, and overt oppression, when it shows its ugly face. and its not strictly limited to one party. It has squat to do with 10year olds, and everything to do with the rule of law & Constitution. So, despite the litany of rationalizations you tried to pull out, the fact remains that yes, the Mexican Government, who militarize their southern border, are actually assisting folks to illegally enter ours.
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YOur ambition in life is to be a Reagan goon.
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That'd again be another example of 1) (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=18394.msg161022#msg161022)
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It is also true.
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Your 99% record of being wrong in your accusations, with near flawless consistency at being unable to back up any accusation you make, outside of your mere opinion, is duly noted ::)