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Title: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 10, 2015, 06:28:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OTEZsH8Z80
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 10, 2015, 08:08:48 PM
Statistically,  people are safer around strangers than around family.

Black people who call other Black people "niggas" are no more authoritative than White people who call all other White people honkies and crackers.

It is wonderful that you have youtube so that you can post nonsense like this without realizing that you are expressing racist attitudes.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 10, 2015, 08:19:57 PM
I know of no "white person calling another white person honkey or cracker"....ever.  Maybe in a Mel Brooks movie, .... once.  Yet blacks calling other blacks the N word is quite frequent 
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 10, 2015, 09:31:13 PM
I know of no "white person calling another white person honkey or cracker"....ever.  Maybe in a Mel Brooks movie, .... once.  Yet blacks calling other blacks the N word is quite frequent

That doesn't happen in California?
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 10, 2015, 10:06:08 PM
Not white on white
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 10, 2015, 10:25:50 PM
I have an inlaw that I have called a "Yankee" many times.

Perhaps I ought to quit that?
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 10, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
I don't think that ranks even in the top 30 of derogatory terms.  Unless he's from N.Y. of course.    ;)
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 11, 2015, 12:38:45 AM
It is wonderful that you have youtube

yes it is wonderful that your ilk no longer control what we see
no more Tommy Brokaw, Walder Cronkrite, Dan RatherNot only
let there be light!
and I love that you hate that loss of one way street!
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 11, 2015, 02:46:19 AM
Also notice how its supposedly racist to point out the fact that black on black crime is exponentially worse, in this country, than white on black or black on white crime    ::)
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 11, 2015, 08:27:11 AM
I hate idiots and racists pretending to actually think that they make any sense at all.

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 11, 2015, 10:01:04 AM
I hate idiots and racists pretending to actually think that they make any sense at all.

So what do you think of the title subject in this thread?

That it is a fact that more young black men are killed by young black men than by any other demographic?

This is a fact , what non racist sense can be made of it?
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 11, 2015, 03:17:46 PM
It is wonderful that you have youtube so that you can post nonsense like this without realizing that you are expressing racist attitudes.

It's wonderful to see that you immediately hate to see a black man leave the plantation of liberal thought and
instead of addressing any of the actual facts this man makes you run to the typical bullshit auto-default
response of hollering racism without realizing that your response is reflective of your own racist attitudes.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 11, 2015, 05:52:03 PM
I am all for everyone, Black or White to hold whatever views he wants. But posting the crap you posted here is clearly divisive and racist. I don;t preach to anyone, Black or White. I only express my own personal opinions.

If I were going to preach tom Blacks that they should vote for Democrats, I sure as hell am not so stupid as to do it in this forum.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 12, 2015, 10:54:23 AM
posting the crap you posted here is clearly divisive and racist.

yeah sure....a view different from yours must be "divisive and racist"
as if Leftist policy is not "divisive and racist"!
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 12, 2015, 11:44:10 AM
Statistically, all people, Black or White, are safer around strangers than their own families.

Statistically, middle class and wealthy neighborhoods are safer than poor neighborhoods.

If you take the statement "Blacks are safer around Whites than each other" as a problem to be solved, there are only two ways to solve it:

(1) Remove Black people entirely: deportation, banishment, extermination being the possible methods.
(2) Forced integration of Black people among White people.

I think that either of these "solutions" is inherently racist and illegal under current laws. For a legal code sympathetic to these methods, you would have to investigate the Third Reich.
 

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 12, 2015, 12:22:43 PM
If you take the statement "Blacks are safer around Whites than each other" as a problem to be solved, there are only two ways to solve it

Making a statement of fact doesn't defacto require a solution.  Especially when you don't include far more sensible solutions to your "list"....none of them racist in any form     ::)

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 12, 2015, 03:56:25 PM
Yeah, I am sure you have lots of "solutions"   NOT!.

That would be because the morons that supply you with "ideas" have not told you what they might be.

How do you make poor, unemployed, undereducated people less violent?  I got it!  Let them buy more GUNZZZZ!
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 12, 2015, 07:10:03 PM
Statistically, all people, Black or White, are safer around strangers than their own families.

Can you source your statement of fact so i can examine it?

Statistically, middle class and wealthy neighborhoods are safer than poor neighborhoods.

There are more poor white people in the United States than poor black people.
So to pretend and/or imply whites are middle class and wealthy is a crock.
There are more poor whites than poor blacks.

Statistically, all people, Black or White, are safer around strangers than their own families.

If you take the statement "Blacks are safer around Whites than each other" as a problem to be solved,
there are only two ways to solve it:
(1) Remove Black people entirely: deportation, banishment, extermination being the possible methods.
(2) Forced integration of Black people among White people.

That is a ridiculous strawman statement.
The "only" two ways to solve it?.....LOL
Are fricking serious?



Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 12, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
The "only" two ways to solve it?.....LOL
Are fricking serious?


========================
Damn right.

Let's hear some alternative solution from you, then, genius boy.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 12, 2015, 09:25:21 PM
Damn right. Let's hear some alternative solution from you, then, genius boy.

Look this isnt exactly brain surgery.
And there are certainly more ways than the extreme racist solutions you put forward!
"Remove Black people entirely"....LOL
"deportation"....LOL
"banishment"....LOL
"extermination"....LOL

This is a starter!
It's called personal responsibility.
This man does not need to be deported, or exterminated!
And he doesn't need your bait and switch handouts either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGllV34vbkM
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 12, 2015, 09:38:46 PM
Statistically, all people, Black or White, are safer around strangers than their own families.

Statistically, middle class and wealthy neighborhoods are safer than poor neighborhoods.


All right, are there statistics for interracial assaults ?

Are the assailants more often one flavor?

Is this proportional to the ratio of the population?

Quote
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Well there are stats, with some caveats , so interpret them with care.

The solution ?  Has to be for individuals , not in any means anything applied to one race or another.

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 13, 2015, 01:51:26 AM
Yeah, I am sure you have lots of "solutions"   NOT!.

Actually, numerous.  1st and foremost, reduce the size and scope of Government, in dictating how everyone is to act/function.  The less Government, the more incentive to better oneself and circumstances

2nd, reduce the minimum wage.  Minimum wage has been one of the most detrimental reasons, that have driven blacks into poverty, and beholden to more Government services.  Not to mention a major job growth inhibitor

3rd, enforce current immigration law, which in turn improves the amount of job opportunities for Black Americans, legally here

4th, related to the 1st, welfare reform, to further incentivise folks to better their lives and circumstances.  It worked great under Clinton, but now under Obama Food Stamp recipients have exploded.  But this needs to be done in conjunction with #3

#4 is also so important, since its because of endless government policy, largely rewarding bad judgement, and encouraging bad behavior.  Women having children out of wedlock, and before finishing school, is nearly a slam dunk guarantee of poverty for the child & mother

Just for starters
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 13, 2015, 10:15:28 AM
Yeah, starve the poor, cut their wages and end help from the government.

It is especially important that Food Stamps for children be cut. Whimpering, starving children will inspire poor mothers to get off their butts and take a job that pays $2.00 an hour. 

The Republican Incentive: also known as the ACI, Advanced cruelty Iniciative.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 13, 2015, 10:27:02 AM
Your wreckless hyperbole is duly noted......and discarded like the rest of your "solutions"
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 13, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
You are the one with stupid solutions.

Again, the statement that "Blacks are safer around Whites than around other Blacks" is simply racist. If you cannot see this, it is because you are a racist.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 13, 2015, 10:53:41 AM
The statement is simply a fact.  There's nothing racist about citing a statement of fact
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 13, 2015, 12:15:02 PM
Again, the statement that "Blacks are safer around Whites than around other Blacks" is simply racist.

yeah ok this guy that made the statements is racist!  ::)

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Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 13, 2015, 12:38:12 PM
I guess this guy is a racist too because he won't stay on the Liberal Plantation.

David understands the racebaiters game all too well!
He understands they don't give a rat's ass about Black Americans!
Their concern is ONLY to further a political agenda!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_6DGMrYA8


Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 13, 2015, 01:09:57 PM
Yeah, sure.

What you know about plantations would rattle around in a peanut shell.

I imagine that you can buzz around the Internet and find the odd Black guy who will tell you that the Klan had the right idea about Blacks as well.

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 13, 2015, 01:20:24 PM
I got one better...find a white guy that sirs or cu4 or Plane or Kimba or Bt supports that has said that
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 13, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
It is simply a racist statement in the context that it has been used lately, nearly always uttered by White guys who are unable to recognize that there is a major difference between uneducated, unemployed Black kids and White cops who have been hired to protect and defend the community.

Hey, they hauled in your hero  Zimmy the other day for throwing a bottle at a woman.   Why Fox News did not hire that clown I will never understand.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 13, 2015, 01:40:29 PM
Sorry, a statment of fact is still just a statement of fact.  Apparently in xo's world there are no uneducated unemployed white kids, and no black cops. 

But you know what is racist?......Claiming how Blacks couldn't have achieved what they have in this country without whites.  Now....who once claimed that again?  Oh yea
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 13, 2015, 01:43:40 PM
Neither Blacks nor Whites could have made this country what it is without the other. That is the way history works.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 13, 2015, 01:52:22 PM
uneducated, unemployed Black kids

why are the black kids "un-educated"
why are the black kids in fatherless homes?
why are black killing/robbing/assaulting other blacks at record numbers?
is that all whitey's fault too?
do they have any responsibility in their own plight?
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 13, 2015, 02:06:57 PM
Many are not uneducated. Those that are uneducated are uneducated because American society has not bothered to find a way to educate them.
I do not think that any of this is at "record numbers". Crime has dropped quite a bit in the past 20 years.

Women have babies because they have no love in their lives. Babies always love their mothers.

The number of fatherless children is rather high in Scandinavia, and the poor there are not criminals.

If you study human society over the ages, you will see that your ideal concept of a proper family has been rather uncommon. Perhaps it is better for most, but human beings have been civilized for around 10,000 years, and there are many examples of successful individuals that did not grow up in the basic Ozzie and Harriet family structure. Reagan's father was the town drunk. Obama was raised mostly by his grandparents. Lincoln's mother died when he was nine, and his father was illiterate and lazy, and the family were squatters for a number of years. Mark Twain's father died when he was young.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 13, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Neither Blacks nor Whites could have made this country what it is without the other. That is the way history works.

Not what a certain professor of spanish opined a while back.  He made it painfully clear that the blacks needed the whites to succeed.  Without the whites, apparently blacks couldn't have.  So overtly arrogant, condescending, and racist, all rolled into one proclamation
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 13, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
I imagine that you can buzz around the Internet and find the odd Black guy who will tell you that
the Klan had the right idea about Blacks as well.

And you can turn to ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC and find basically the same old tired
racebaiters selling the "it's all whitey's fault agenda" for politcial purpose and money
almost any day of the week.  The Klan is not big business in 2014, racebaiting is!
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 13, 2015, 02:50:27 PM
Hey, they hauled in your hero  Zimmy the other day for throwing a bottle at a woman.   
Why Fox News did not hire that clown I will never understand.

And Rodney King in the years following his LA incident with the police was convicted of DUI,
arrested for spousal abuse, arrested for reckless driving, and was sentenced to jail...so what?

Why MSNBC did not hire that clown I will never understand.



Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 13, 2015, 02:53:14 PM
I got one better...find a white guy that sirs or cu4 or Plane or Kimba or Bt supports that has said that (a guy who will tell you that the Klan had the right idea about Blacks)

Couldn't find one, could you.  Is it any wonder lunatics on the left are trying so desperately to redefine what's racist now.  According to Charlie Rangel, even supporting tax cuts is tantamount to being racist    :o
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 13, 2015, 09:53:14 PM
   I don't like for this stuff to get intensely personal.



     The objective facts can be interpreted subjectively by people who disagree on the relative importance of the different facts.

      So, sometimes the interesting thing is not the fact , but the reason that a person considers the fact to be significant.

     



Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 13, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
  I think that in every demographic , we would be able to find that more assaults and injuries are attributable to friends and family than Police.

    This hardly implies that Police should be held to any lower standard than they are, if the police are not high standard , what are they for?
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 13, 2015, 10:02:06 PM
......................there is a major difference between uneducated, unemployed Black kids and White cops who have been hired to protect and defend the community.


  Are such persons becoming more or less educated as time passes?

I mean both ilks you mention here.


 
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 13, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
Yeah, starve the poor, cut their wages and end help from the government.

It is especially important that Food Stamps for children be cut. Whimpering, starving children will inspire poor mothers to get off their butts and take a job that pays $2.00 an hour. 

The Republican Incentive: also known as the ACI, Advanced cruelty Iniciative.


Is it really better to raise the minimum wage or is it better to employ a greater number at a lower wage?

If we are speaking of the same population and the same money it seems like a zero sum problem, and this is the dichotomy.

Of course it isn't entirely this simple , but there is a real effect of unemployment that can be attributed to the minimum wage, which is that set of persons that are unemployable at higher wages and the marginal who will be transferred from that set to this one when the wage changes.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 14, 2015, 02:31:09 PM
   I don't like for this stuff to get intensely personal.

     The objective facts can be interpreted subjectively by people who disagree on the relative importance of the different facts.

      So, sometimes the interesting thing is not the fact , but the reason that a person considers the fact to be significant.     

This isn't even necessarily about differing facts......the professor, in some vane effort to imply that Cu4 or myself  are racist, is that we present facts that don't necessarily paint a rosey picture of black on black crime, compared to black on any other color crime, or even white on black crime.  And when Cu4 points out someone who happens to be black, who reinforces that point, out comes the standard uncle tom card, where apparently there are blacks that embrace racism (which incidentally there is a multitude, just not the racists he's going to aknowledge as being such)

And we couldn't help but notice, not only did he fail to find a black person who agrees with the Klan, he hasn't even presented a white guy, who thinks the Klan was all hunky dory, that either cu4 or I would support
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 14, 2015, 03:26:07 PM
Women have babies because they have no love in their lives. Babies always love their mothers.

That's one of the most selfish, irresponsible rationalizations for bad judgement, I've heard.  I don't care if they "feel unloved"  You don't bring a child into the world, if you don't have the financial means to care for the 2 of you properly.  You get a dog, or a hamster.  Something that doesn't soak tax payers for your perceived lack of being loved 


If you study human society over the ages, you will see that your ideal concept of a proper family has been rather uncommon.

In America, its really quite simple.  Do not have a child out of wedlock.  Finish school.  And be married, when you do have a child.  Failing those 3 simple checks, nearly always guarantees a life of poverty, and beholden to Government services (taxpayers)

 
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 14, 2015, 04:46:53 PM
The thing is, the government in general and you in particular, have no control over the choices that people make, and once the choices are made, allowing people to starve as bad examples is not possible and would not work if it were. Deprived people do desperate things: not all of them just crawl away, wither and die, per leaving a message to future generations that their errant ways not be imitated.

Yeah, sure, it would be nice if all marriages were perfect and all parents were caring and attentive and all children were born to loving parents who graduated from school. But that is not the case and that will never be the case.

There will always be fatherless children, especially in a country where war is endemic like the USA and where the main solution for aberrant behavior, much of which is called by mental illness, it to throw people, most of whom are men, in jail for long sentences. 

For three years I taught college courses in a state prison. It paid a third of the already low salary that my regular classes paid, and Dade Correctional was 40 miles through heavy traffic from the main campus. It was npot a bad drive, because I carpooled with an Accounting Prof who had all sorts of aming tales.  We graduated about 150 students with BA degrees in that time, and then the program was defunded by the idiotic Republicans in the FL State Legislature, because some bozo said that since we did not provide college education for law-abiding Floridians, we should not provide it for convicts, either.  Of course, the main goal of the program was to make employable, tax paying citizens of a rather small minority of convicts who had finished HS or a GED and had accumulated the good conduct points to voluntarily enroll in the program.

The State was too cheap to do any follow ups on recidivism, but the woman who was in charge of the program told me that nearly all the graduates found jobs after leaving DCI.

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 14, 2015, 05:03:17 PM
Oh contraire, Government, very much is trying to control the choices one makes.

I do not want or even desire control of what another person does.  I'll leave that to know-it-all liberals who think their way is the only way.  The issue is that Government "makes no money".  They do nothing but take money, via fines, taxes, mandates, etc.  They create nothing...except a growing scope of folks, too poor to function on their own, so in "need of Government", all the while enabling, even rewarding behavior that reinforces bad behavior and poor judgement, making them all the more poverty riddled, and beholden to Government.

I do not care, 1 whit what another person does.....so long as it doesn't impact my ability to take care of myself and my family.  That's what rights are all about.  The right to do whatever the frell you want to do,...... SO LONG THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER.  THAT's when we're going to have a problem.  When women decide to have children, that they KNOW they can't financially support, that's a direct and increased cost to tax payers, subsidizing their bad judgement, pushed by you and your ilk.  And that's why your rationalizions for such poor judgement and bad behavior are both wreckless & wholly irresponsible....not just to tax payers, but the poverty that the mother & child are going to be saddled with

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 14, 2015, 09:40:31 PM
A hundred years ago, there were far more people who could not feed their children. What happened was the children starved, of course. That is why life expectancy today is over 70 and then it was around 45.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 14, 2015, 10:13:30 PM
For three years I taught college courses in a state prison. ..........


Bravo!

Even if the success rate were very low , the success of each one that became a supporter of society rather than a threat or ward to the state would be a success multiplied over again by each year he was not incarcerated, the success rate you mentioned must surely have paid back the cost after a very few years.

I hope that something of this sort can be tried again.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 14, 2015, 10:19:10 PM
The thing is, the government in general and you in particular, have no control over the choices that people make, and once the choices are made, ................


  I consider the government and society to be quite different things, even if related.

   But both the government and society have an interest in individual good behavior and rationality and education and forming families.

     What is the most effective encouragement for good choices you know ?

      What agency should be responsible for this encouragement?

         When does punishment become appropriate ?

            If a person chooses so badly that he is genuinely wasting the resources of the society or the taxes of the state, does it reach a point of un-supportability? Ever?
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 14, 2015, 10:25:59 PM

..............I do not care, 1 whit what another person does.....so long as it doesn't impact my ability to take care of myself and my family.  That's what rights are all about.  The right to do whatever the frell you want to do,...... SO LONG THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER.  THAT's when we're going to have a problem.  When women decide to have children, that they KNOW they can't financially support,...............

   Would you make exception for the child's sake?
   There does exist a "cycle of poverty" and there needs to be a way for most of the people in it to escape it.

      There is probably not a way to rescue them all, but anything less than most makes the cycle vicious.

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 14, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
A hundred years ago, there were far more people who could not feed their children. What happened was the children starved, of course. That is why life expectancy today is over 70 and then it was around 45.


   Thank you Luther Burbank and John Deer.
    Food has become much more available and relatively cheap, not directly due to the government, but directly due to improvements in farming.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 14, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
A hundred years ago, there were far more people who could not feed their children. What happened was the children starved, of course. That is why life expectancy today is over 70 and then it was around 45.

There is a laundry list of reasons we have a higher life expectancy now compared to 100years ago...and bigger government likely doesn't even make the top 10.  What does top the list is medical advances, ironically much of it spearheaded by this country, and entrepreneurship, via our free market system.  Also ranking up there, though very closely related, is a better grasp of those things that are healthy for us, vs those things that are not so much.  The fact we've become so much wealthier as a country, again do in large part to our free market system, has also allowed an exponential level of charity to flourish. 

Our founders formed a Government that had a very simple function....Protect its citizens from enemies, foreign & domestic, protect its citizens rights, and allow as much freedom as possible, without infringing on other people's rights.  It's all laid out quite clearly in our rule book, referred to as the Constitution.  And even rules on how to change the rules, if subsequent generations believe the Constitution has somehow become outdated
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 14, 2015, 11:59:11 PM
..............I do not care, 1 whit what another person does.....so long as it doesn't impact my ability to take care of myself and my family.  That's what rights are all about.  The right to do whatever the frell you want to do,...... SO LONG THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER.  THAT's when we're going to have a problem.  When women decide to have children, that they KNOW they can't financially support,...............

   Would you make exception for the child's sake?

We already do....in spades.  Please don't employ the tactic that xo uses, in trying to apply some extreme position, I never actually espoused.  I'm not advocating that all aide be completely cut.  There are far too many that the left has already pulled into their sewer of never ending poverty and umbilical cord to Government.  First and foremost though, we can't keep rewarding such behavior with an endless supply of tax payer subsidies & perks.   So, I'm open to suggestions, so long as its not more of the same

And I'm being serious here.....Black America needs to have a new MLK....one who epitomizes the original, proclaiming how people should be judged by the contect of their character and not the color of their skin.  And that everyone has the responsibility of themselves.  Every individual treated the same, regardless of color.  Every individual responsible for their actions
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 15, 2015, 12:00:02 PM
Do you actually think you are rewarding a woman for her loose morals by refusing to feed her children? 

Here is the situation: a poor woman, who has never had much love for any person in her life, has a child because at least there will be someone who loves her, or at least that is what she believes. She has not thought about how she is going to feed the child. Perhaps she changed her mind after getting pregnant, but she was prevented from getting an abortion, because she did not have the money or because a bunch of obsessed voters intruded on her desires by passing some law against it.

In any case, there she is, poor and with a baby. What are the options that society has to address this?

(1) Food and aid for medical attention and diapers can be denied her by the government, which practicing "tough love" figures that she will either manage to pull through without the help of the government and be a good example, or will simply starve , thereby serving as a bad example, a lesson for other women to notice and not follow. Perhaps she can try to sell the baby, and then she gets arrested and alas, the taxpayers will have to provide food and a nice cell for her. The going rate is around $30K per year. Or maybe she is really good at begging.
 
(2) The government can provide some sort of aid for her. Too bad, since this will serve as a bad example. Liberals favor this, so it has to be just awful.

(3) The government can take the baby away from her and raise it in some sort of foster home. Some enlightened Southern states also gave the woman a tubal ligation, so she won't make the same mistake twice. But I think the Supreme Court outlawed this. Something about personal rights.

Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 15, 2015, 12:22:51 PM
Do you actually think you are rewarding a woman for her loose morals by refusing to feed her children? 

See, this is the garbage I was referring to.....the notion that I'd want to deny her & her children the ability eat.  That we need to cut all aide.   >:(   Your ignorance and deflection efforts hold no bounds.  Here's the RESPONSIBLE situation....If there's some woman who doesn't perceive love in her life, there's a local animal shelter where there are too numerous of dogs & cats just begging to love someone......and it doesn't impact that tax payer, in any way
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 15, 2015, 01:30:37 PM
So, what are you talking about?  Take away her kid and give her a puppy?

Or maybe a kittycat.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 15, 2015, 01:41:57 PM
I'm talking about personal responsibility vs rewarding piss poor judgement.  No where in there is some evil plot to deny her and her child the ability to eat    >:(
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 15, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
so many people were starving in the United States before the 1970's!
ha ha...what a freaking joke
more Leftist garbage

speaking of leftist garbage
i had to go to the hospital emergency room last night
and there were 20 people in there waiting
at least 15 of the 20 people were "si senors" with ninos/rug rats
whose paying for all this crap?
i was paying for mine....but almost all the others...were living off the leftist boowhoo fanatsy world
and thats one hospital in one city
so the left weeps about the poor little illegals
while American citizens get screwed out of better hospital care and it costs billions
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 15, 2015, 04:05:33 PM
Okay, but if you are not into starvation, will you be helping out with the rent or will they have to live in a refrigerator box or perhaps a car?

The thing is, that even if people make bad decisions, they will always need food and shelter. If you expect the child to go to school and the mother to work, then she will have to do something about day care, since the work day is longer than the school day and does not cover the same hours.

In Scandinavian countries, there are plenty of unmarried women with children, and they do not become dependent for generations on the government. There is no excuse for poverty and malnutrition in this country. We have more resources than Finland or Sweden and most of the US is not frozen half the year. The reason for poverty in the US is an unequal distribution of wealth. Of all the EU countries, only Portugal is more unequal than the US. And this problem is getting worse. When I was 18, you could get a job and earn enough to get through college. I know because I did this. Now this is impossible. It is not impossible because this country is poorer or has fewer resources, either.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 15, 2015, 04:28:31 PM
..............SO LONG THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER.  THAT's when we're going to have a problem.  When women decide to have children, that they KNOW they can't financially support,...............

   Would you make exception for the child's sake?

We already do....in spades.  Please don't employ the tactic that xo uses, in trying to apply some extreme position, I never actually espoused. ................


  Is this a tactic or is it pitching a softball?
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Plane on January 15, 2015, 04:38:40 PM
Do you actually think you are rewarding a woman for her loose morals by refusing to feed her children? 



  Do you think a Mother is less interested in the welfare of her children than the government is?

   This is how the government become the mother of us all , with the sort of authority over us that a mother has over a four year old.

     Mothers are the chief agent for putting fathers to work`, the government just wants to take over this function.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 15, 2015, 06:31:44 PM
When I was 18, you could get a job and earn enough to get through college. I know because I did this. Now this is impossible. It is not impossible because this country is poorer or has fewer resources, either.

Yes it is almost impossible because illegals now occupy most of those starter jobs.
I was dishwaher at 15 years old.
Go in almost any eatery now and the dishwasher is a senor!
Yeah wave the flood across our borders and see the unintended consequences like the one above.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 16, 2015, 10:18:24 AM
There is no way anyone can work their way through college, because $7.00 per hour is not enough to do this.  It does not matter who is washing the dishes.
The problem is not job availability, it is crappy wages. I put wheels on Falcons and Comets at the Ford Claycomo Assembly Plant for $2.35 per hour. That was in 1961. The value of that $2.35 in 2015 is $18.56, according to the Inflation calculator.

The problem is not immigration. But if the problem WERE immigration, notice how the stupid Republicans refuse to do one damned thing about it. No one is going to deport 11 million people.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 16, 2015, 10:33:28 AM
While its true that the GOP did diddly squat when they did control all branches of Government....since that time, many bills have passed the House, with BIPARTISAN support, but not even been allowed to be voted on by then Senate majority leader, Reid

Let's see what bills get voted on now that Obama signs or doesn't sign.  Then we'll see who really is standing in the way of anything being done, regarding immigration reform.  Here's a hint....its not about deporting 11 million people.....never has been, Dr. Deflection

 
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 16, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
At what point has anyone in the GOP said that even one illegal should be allowed to remain in this country?

Of course that is what this is about.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 16, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
Of course its not.  It's about securing the border FIRST.  Without that done 1st, anything else is a non-starter.  Deporting 11 million doesn't even make the top10
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 16, 2015, 04:15:04 PM
The border is as secure as it can be. There is no way that billions of dollars of stuff are going to cross the border daily and not have a few people manage to sneak across.
No one is going to seal the border, which some moron 'bagger from Tennessee recently declared. They have built fences, they have hired many more border guards.
 The net migration from Mexico is not zero: as many come in as leave.


This is all a bunch of crap. The main issue continues to be, not immigration, but the fact that a very few plutocrats are grabbing more and more of the national wealth. All these other issues are minor compared to that.
Title: Re: Blacks Are Safer Around Whites Than Each Other!
Post by: sirs on January 16, 2015, 04:22:14 PM
It is not anywhere CLOSE to making it as secure as it could be.  The billions we pay out to all forms of crony capitalism, such as Solyndra, and their ilk, could easily be used to literally finish builing an actual border fence.  It won't stop everyone, but it'll make a big dent in illegal border crossings.  That's the 1st thing on the agenda, seal the border

And we're not talking Mexico alone.  As has already been established, Mexico is literally assisting thousands upon thousands of central americans across their country, into America.  hardly a "net 0".  And this is made all the worse, when these countries here our Presidence declaring his intention of not enforcing current immigration law, that he swore on the bible, that he would