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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: R.R. on February 18, 2007, 11:49:23 PM
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Iraq says violence in Baghdad cut by 80%
BAGHDAD, Feb. 17 -- Iraqi military said Saturday that violence and insurgent attacks have cut by 80 percent since the U.S. and Iraqi security forces launched crackdown operation in Baghdad earlier this week.
"Terrorist attacks in Baghdad have dropped by 80 percent," said Qasim al-Mussawi, spokesman for Lieutenant General Abboud Gambar, who commands a joint force of Iraqi army and police.
"Before the operation, the morgue was receiving 40 to 50 bodies every day, but now it has only received 20 bodies in the past 48 hours," al-Mussawi said.
He said that the Iraqi security forces have arrested 144 wanted suspects and 130 displaced families have returned home.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki announced Wednesday the start of a long-awaited security plan aimed at pacifying Iraqi cities, especially the capital.
On the same day, the Iraqi government closed the borders with the neighboring Syria and Iran for 72 hours as part of the crackdown plan.
Al-Mussawi said the borders would reopen but it would take 60 days for the crossing to return normal.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-02/17/content_5751463.htm
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Uh-huh.
63 die as blasts disrupt Iraq clampdown
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070219/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070218163959
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The article Ricky posted was written on the 17th. Yours has a datestamp of the 18th.
What was true yesterday does not necesarilly have to be true today.
Even if Ricky's article wasn't true to begin with.
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Awwwwwwwwwwwww...
Guess you didn't see when he posted it.
Terrorist attacks in Baghdad have been cut by 80%
« on: Today at 10:49:23 PM »
Less than an hour ago, in fact.
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Though I guess in light of the fact that some in here can't get past discredited claims of WMD and ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda that they keep bringing up as truth, maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
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His post time has little to do with when the article was written. Nor did he comment on it.
And it is quite possible he hasn't caught up with the daily news.
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Though I guess in light of the fact that some in here can't get past discredited claims of WMD and ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda that they keep bringing up as truth, maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
What is readily becoming apparent is some people have problems with understanding the concept of time.
Again what could be true yesterday does not automatically remain true today.
New data changes the equation constantly.
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Why do I get the feeling, H, that you're posting the terrorists' propaganda with such glee? It's cowardly to set off a car bomb to kill innocent people and then you run in here and post it up to shamelessly do their bidding. Tomorrow is another day. Even with these cowardly attacks, the number of terrorist attacks over the past few days has plummeted dramatically. But the demented anti-war left is going to pooh pooh any success.
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Though I guess in light of the fact that some in here can't get past discredited claims of WMD and ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda that they keep bringing up as truth, maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
Yea, if only that were the case, then you'd really have a leg to stand on ::)
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Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the number of "terrorist" attacks DIDN'T decrease over a period of months. The insurgency doesn't have to stand and fight at a time and place chosen by the occupiers. They can hide and bide their time. They live there. While the clock runs, the occupier bleeds megabucks. They can't afford to stay forever. The Resistance can.
Since R.R. is outraged by the cowardice of the terrorists, maybe he can tell me how cowardly is this: to drop white phosphorus on civilians; to torture helpless prisoners to death; to rape and murder a 14-year-old girl and her unarmed family.
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; to rape and murder a 14-year-old girl and her unarmed family.
The guys that comitted this crime are going to do hard time , everyone in our ared forces really ought to know alread that they are not sheilded from procicution if they commit crime.
The gus that killed sixty people with a bomb whose placement was carefully calibrated to catch as mny civilians as possible will be punished by who?
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<<The gus that killed sixty people with a bomb whose placement was carefully calibrated to catch as mny civilians as possible will be punished by who?>>
He'll probably die anonymously in his turn as the "sectarian warfare" continues its merry way down through the years.
What I'm more interested in is who will punish the guy who supplied the explosives to that guy and connived to allow him to pass unmolested through government and perhaps U.S. checkpoints. And who will punish the guys who dropped white phosphorus on civilians? And who will punish the torturers and murderers of Arab prisoners?
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<<The gus that killed sixty people with a bomb whose placement was carefully calibrated to catch as mny civilians as possible will be punished by who?>>
He'll probably die anonymously in his turn as the "sectarian warfare" continues its merry way down through the years.
Yes , if we catch him .
What I'm more interested in is who will punish the guy who supplied the explosives to that guy and connived to allow him to pass unmolested through government and perhaps U.S. checkpoints.
See above, when we catch him.
And who will punish the guys who dropped white phosphorus on civilians?
Nobody , unless they get caught targeting civilians, how was "bomber" Harris punished?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/harris_sir_arthur_bomber.shtml
And who will punish the torturers and murderers of Arab prisoners?
The US government , it ought to be Chrystal clear to the members of the Armed services that prosecution is likely if they mistreat a prisoner.
Not like any of our opponents who get commendation for killing lots of civilians or mistreating prisoners , this is a basic difference and I am glad our side is what it is.
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<<Not like any of our opponents who get commendation for killing lots of civilians or mistreating prisoners , this is a basic difference and I am glad our side is what it is.>>
Your side is a bunch of murdering opportunistic thugs who have invaded a small, oil-rich country on trumped-up excuses, killed hundreds of thousands of its citizens and are intent on subduing its citizens by any means possible including kidnapping, torture and murder, so that they can establish military bases for further regional aggression and ensure themselves a stable supply of energy that rightfully is not theirs to control.
You can pretend as much as you like that your side is not like that at all, but you are not fooling anyone else and most of the world including more than half of your own country now sees "your side" for what it really is.
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<<Not like any of our opponents who get commendation for killing lots of civilians or mistreating prisoners , this is a basic difference and I am glad our side is what it is.>>
Your side is a bunch of murdering opportunistic thugs who have invaded a small, oil-rich country on trumped-up excuses, killed hundreds of thousands of its citizens and are intent on subduing its citizens by any means possible including kidnapping, torture and murder, so that they can establish military bases for further regional aggression and ensure themselves a stable supply of energy that rightfully is not theirs to control.
You can pretend as much as you like that your side is not like that at all, but you are not fooling anyone else and most of the world including more than half of your own country now sees "your side" for what it really is.
I am not pretending that members of our armed fores that commit atrocitys can and do get caught and locked up , this is actual.
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Why do I get the feeling, H, that you're posting the terrorists' propaganda with such glee?
Maybe because you don't know me.
Maybe because you're an idiot.
Maybe because you mistake a penchant for accuracy for some sort of malevolence.
You tell me.
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Maybe because you mistake a penchant for accuracy for some sort of malevolence.
But you're not accurate. You and Knute fail to take into consideration the dramatic reduction in overall violence over the past 5 days now.
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<<You and Knute fail to take into consideration the dramatic reduction in overall violence over the past 5 days now.>>
R.R., does the phrase "lying low" mean anything to you? "Biding their time?"
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But you're not accurate. You and Knute fail to take into consideration the dramatic reduction in overall violence over the past 5 days now.
And you post outdated articles to try and push your point of view. Then accuse me of taking some sort of glee that the insurgents are off and running again.
So which is it - you don't know me, you're an idiot, you're mistaken, or is there some other reason why you would think that that I haven't considered yet? Why accuse me of taking some sort of satisfaction that our troops or innocent civilians are being attacked?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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And you post outdated articles to try and push your point of view.
The point of the article is not obsolete. Violence in Baghdad is way, way down. The beginning phase of the surge is going quite positively.
Then accuse me of taking some sort of glee that the insurgents are off and running again.
But the terrorists are not "off and running again." This is only in your own mind. They are cowards. Their leaders have fled. Sadr is hiding in Iran. Baghdad has been pretty calm over the past 5 days. About 500 families have returned home already.
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As you deftly avoid the question...