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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on July 20, 2015, 12:50:35 AM

Title: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 20, 2015, 12:50:35 AM: Her supporters have been ordered not to talk to the press (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/18/hillary-clinton-campaign-orders-young-supporters-n/). As one reporter asked, "Now, why in the world would the campaign tell their own supporters who came out to campaign in favor Hillary Clinton, they can’t talk to reporters?"

The follow-up answer was priceless......“Nothing that those supporters could possibly say to the press is worse than the story of telling them not talk.”
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 20, 2015, 12:19:54 PM: You are loaded with priceless gems.

Actually no, they are worthless nonsense.

Who are you to tell Hillary how to run her campaign?
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 20, 2015, 12:25:01 PM: <<------------ "point"..............<<

Xo's head ----> O
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 21, 2015, 11:10:35 AM: What do you mean by "her supporters"? Do you mean those who are paid and volunteer campaign workers, or just anyone who attends a Hillary rally?

If you mean the former, they are free to leave the campaign.
I doubt that people merely attending a rally can be forced not to talk to anyone.

You see this silly shit online and you think it actually means something to people who think... but it doesn't.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 21, 2015, 02:55:56 PM: It's irrelevent if they are a paid staffer or simply a koolaide drinking supporter. The issue is her Campaign telling people not to talk to the press. Again, if this were the Walker camp providing such intricate restrictions to the press, the left would be going apesnot
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 21, 2015, 05:49:26 PM: No, they would be saying "Walker? Walker? is that Johny Walker Red or Johny Walker Black?"
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 21, 2015, 06:36:46 PM: I doubt the media would be asking that of a Walker supporter
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 21, 2015, 08:19:13 PM: Johny Walker..........................keep on walking.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 21, 2015, 08:24:30 PM: I doubt he drinks it, but maybe it'll come up in conversation at some point, though it's largely an irrelevant subject. I'm an A&W Rootbeer person, myself
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on July 21, 2015, 10:04:32 PM: (http://s24.postimg.org/il9utn92t/HILLary_Sharpton.jpg)
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 12:01:07 PM: Better than your usual ratbag rightwing posts.

It is fortuitous that there is a semi creative source of racist drivel to keep your unwarranted hatred of Al Sharpton and Hillary stoked.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 22, 2015, 12:32:43 PM: ...and still more irrelevent dribble masquearading as civil discussion
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 01:52:21 PM: This is the most trivial and useless of topics imaginable.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on July 22, 2015, 02:05:01 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 01:52:21 PM
This is the most trivial and useless of topics imaginable.

You honestly think the Democratic leading candidate "tanking" in the polls is not newsworthy?

Having once led all GOP contenders, Clinton now trails U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio,
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in these states.

(http://s30.postimg.org/c61bex91d/quinnipiac_01_1024x564.jpg)
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 02:18:06 PM: Why should I give a shit?

Give yourself a gold star. TWO gold stars.

Nothing significant has happened yet. No one has debated one single issue.

This is about as meaningful as the Miss America Pageant.

Spread out all your trivial popularity polls on the ground and roll in them. IT is all meaningless and trivial.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 22, 2015, 02:26:40 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 01:52:21 PM
This is the most trivial and useless of topics imaginable.

Right, because a Candidate telling its minions not to talk to the press is so unimportant. So much better to talk about .... oh, someone's checkbook, or someone else's booger flicking ability ::)
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 02:50:29 PM: I am not Hillary, I have never met Hillary. I have no control over Hillary or her campaign. I have no reason to assume that I could give her any better advice than whatever she is already giving. I have nothing to do with Hillary. Telling me "nyah, nyah, half the people in the Weaselbait® poll in Colorado love Hillary, hate Hillary or are indifferent to Hillary" is just fucking childish. All it reveals is (a) you are being childish and (b) want to annoy me. Fine. Now go fuck yourself. Up your giggie with a wah-wah brush.

I will not tell Hillary, I will not write Hillary, I see nothing, absolutely nothing of importance in your idiotic dumbass poll. IF Hillary runs for president as a Democrat in 2016, that is the only significant poll.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on July 22, 2015, 03:41:38 PM: X0 I agree it's very early...
And I know my prediction has little value
But I think Hillary will not be your nominee.
And I actually fear that possibility worse than you know.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 22, 2015, 03:44:52 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 02:50:29 PM
I am not Hillary, I have never met Hillary. I have no control over Hillary or her campaign. I have no reason to assume that I could give her any better advice than whatever she is already giving. I have nothing to do with Hillary. Telling me "nyah, nyah, half the people in the Weaselbait® poll in Colorado love Hillary, hate Hillary or are indifferent to Hillary" is just fucking childish. All it reveals is (a) you are being childish and (b) want to annoy me. Fine. Now go fuck yourself. Up your giggie with a wah-wah brush.

I will not tell Hillary, I will not write Hillary, I see nothing, absolutely nothing of importance in your idiotic dumbass poll. IF Hillary runs for president as a Democrat in 2016, that is the only significant poll.

Dr Deflection strikes again. You seem to have no problem in critiquing GOP Candidates in what they do or don't do, yet you have no control over their campaigns. Notice how this has nothing to do with what you do or don't have control over with someone else's campaign. So why bring it up? Deflection 101....argue a point no one is making. And of course, follow that up with more name calling.....that'd be xo 101
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 06:52:27 PM: As I have said, I am for Bernie Sanders. Yay Bernie!

But I would prefer Hillary over any of the various Republican'ts.
I disagree with the ideology of the Republican't Party.
The whole idea of shrinking the government so that it can barely function, and then blaming it for not being able to function and then punishing it for that is absurd.

For a long time, the percentage of the economy that is paid out in wages has declined. That is why the economy has not done better. It is a consumer economy, and consumers cannot consume unless they have money to buy stuff. This hurts everyone in the long run, but in the short run, it makes the CEOs happy and some of the investors happy, depending on the industry. I think wages should rise with productivity, and that is not happening.

I see Bernie as being able to achieve this better than anyone else. Plus, I am for universal healthcare, better education, guaranteed paid vacations and a lot more renewable energy.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on July 22, 2015, 07:08:42 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 06:52:27 PM
As I have said, I am for Bernie Sanders. Yay Bernie!
But I would prefer Hillary over any of the various Republican'ts.

That's exactly why I pray Hillary is the Dems nominee...a large section of her support is soft.
Sanders would be even easier to beat than Hillary....but he serves a purpose now.
It would be cool if Sanders got enough support to demand the VP spot.
I just would hate to see a well spoken/well rounded Dem Governor get the nod.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 07:38:07 PM: I cannot imagine any of the 16 Republican'ts who say they want to be president being really effective at representing what the people of this country need.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 22, 2015, 08:18:25 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 06:52:27 PM
As I have said, I am for Bernie Sanders. Yay Bernie!

But I would prefer Hillary over any of the various Republican'ts.
I disagree with the ideology of the Republican't Party.
The whole idea of shrinking the government so that it can barely function, and then blaming it for not being able to function and then punishing it for that is absurd.

For a long time, the percentage of the economy that is paid out in wages has declined. That is why the economy has not done better. It is a consumer economy, and consumers cannot consume unless they have money to buy stuff. This hurts everyone in the long run, but in the short run, it makes the CEOs happy and some of the investors happy, depending on the industry. I think wages should rise with productivity, and that is not happening.

I see Bernie as being able to achieve this better than anyone else. Plus, I am for universal healthcare, better education, guaranteed paid vacations and a lot more renewable energy.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the point of the thread, but your opinion on the tangetial change of subject is appreciated. Now, if you want to debate the nonsense os supposedly shrinking the government to a non-functional state....THAT NO ONE IS ADVOCATING, by all means, that would be an interesting thread to read, if you want to initiate that one. The irony is that the Government in its current bariatric state is largely "barely functional"
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 09:11:11 PM: That is not even close to true.
Every month, Medicare pays for my health insurance. Every month my SS check gets deposited. Six days a week, I get my mail.
The government is working fine for my needs.
When it does dumb things, there is always a stupidass Republican't behind it.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: sirs on July 22, 2015, 09:42:42 PM: Glad it's working for you. There are millions of others in this country that would disagree however
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Plane on July 23, 2015, 12:54:35 AM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 06:52:27 PM

For a long time, the percentage of the economy that is paid out in wages has declined. That is why the economy has not done better. It is a consumer economy, and consumers cannot consume unless they have money to buy stuff. This hurts everyone in the long run, but in the short run, it makes the CEOs happy and some of the investors happy, depending on the industry. I think wages should rise with productivity, and that is not happening.

This seems reasonable , but how can you entertain this thought and also think it good that a greater portion of the economy ought to be soaked up in taxes?

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 22, 2015, 02:18:06 PM

Nothing significant has happened yet. No one has debated one single issue.

This is about as meaningful as the Miss America Pageant.

Ha!
That is a good thought!

There still needs to be debates, and Hillary is going to be savaged by any of the potential opponents.

I do not know Bernie Sanders well enough to comment directly , but he would have to be abysmal to be worse than Hillary.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 23, 2015, 11:48:55 AM: Here is what really could be happening: remember how Bill Clinton defeated Olebush: Ross Perot an unbalanced uberrich guy decided to use his own fortune to run for president, siphoning off votes and helping Clinton, and bye bye Bush.

Does history repeat itself? Now another Bush rears his ugly head, and another unbalanced rich guy is making a big flap. Trump will surely be correctly defined as an unbalanced crazy by one or more of the other 15 Republican'ts, and Trump will feel unfairly treated (a common affliction of people with Napoleonic complexes) and he runs as a third party candidate. Guess who beats the Jebster?

Clinton, of course!

In the past Trump has supported Hillary with donations.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Plane on July 23, 2015, 11:52:57 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on July 23, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Here is what really could be happening: .....
......
Does history repeat itself?

Yes , anything that ever works gets tried again.

I don't think Trump cares that much , to plan this out this completely.

He may know his chance for winning is slim, but his chance for building his brand is assured.
Title: Re: Hillary's camp imploding.....already?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 24, 2015, 10:11:28 AM: Trump surely understands complicated plans and devious maneuvers.