DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on August 11, 2015, 10:13:32 PM
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In the face of increased FBI scrutiny Hillary turned over her private server to the FBI.
Hillary Clinton has repeatedly denied she ever sent or received classified information on her private e=mail.
It has now been disclosed that two emails on her private account have been classified as "Top Secret."
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In the face of increased FBI scrutiny Hillary turned over her private server to the FBI.
Hillary Clinton has repeatedly denied she ever sent or received classified information on her private e=mail.
It has now been disclosed that two emails on her private account have been classified as "Top Secret."
This never made any sense.
She was Secretary of State, she should have been communicating top secret stuff hourly.
If all of her e-mail was from her privately held server , and she never sent any secrets across it , then she must not have been doing her job.
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HILLARY CLINTON MAY GO TO PRISON
by JOEL B. POLLAK
11 Aug 2015
Hillary Clinton is going to prison or would be, if she were an ordinary person. The FBI has reportedly taken possession of the emails on her home computer server, according to U.S. officials cited by the Associated Press.
According to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), at least two of the emails contained "Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information."
An ordinary person?or even a well-known leader like General David Petraeus would be prosecuted for moving classified information onto a private system. And that is just the beginning of her legal problems.
Clinton not only allegedly exchanged classified information via private e-mail, but also destroyed her emails before handing them over to the State Department before the government could determine for itself which were personal and which were job-related. That could constitute a felony, with a three-year prison sentence attached. And that is just the beginning of what is known.
It is worth noting, too, that much of the information emerging on Hillary Clinton first emerged from three sources: the Benghazi select committee, which the left attempted to dismiss; the independent Judicial Watch organization, which submitted key Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests; and the thorough research of Peter Schweizer, who documented Clinton?s alleged conflicts of interests.
This time, the Clinton magic may not be able to save her.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/11/hillary-clinton-may-go-to-prison/
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A) she won't (go to prison), since she's a Clinton
B) she won't (drop out of the race), too much $$$$$ has been invested into her, for that to happen
C) she won't (win any presidential election) as Patraeus was convicted for far less
Xo should be grinning from ear to ear however, as his guy, Sanders, now can start applying the accelerator
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If Hillary for some reason or another decides to drop out of the race , would she be a good sport about it and give her campaign money to the new Democratic candidate?
I believe she mostly gets to make that decision and even keep that money .
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-sanders-surges-ahead-of-clinton-in-nh/ar-BBlFpGX
It isn't fair to make a headline of a small poll, with less than 500 people asked the potential error seems much larger than what they claim.
Still , perhaps I ought to learn more about Mr. Sanders, I can't knock him just for being a Democrat.
Tempting tho that is...
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There is no reason at all for Hillary to drop out.
First of all, polls show she could beat each and every one of the assorted Republican'ts that think they should be the candidate.
This e mail thing in on way affects her ability to be president. Seriously, it is just another stupid flap, like the Planned Parenthood idiocy.
The Republican'ts, they got nothing and no one. Just a bunch of angry old White guys and a Black guy who does not understand diplomacy.
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OMG this is funny no matter who you support.
Jimmy Fallon or SNL material for sure! Ha Ha....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prls6Iz3B3E
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The Republican'ts, they got nothing and no one. Just a bunch of angry old White guys and a Black guy who does not understand diplomacy.
While the Demawon'ts have a few angry old white guys and a woman, who apparently don't understand the law or the Constitution
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Yeah, the Constitution is very clear about private e-mail servers.
It says a lot about Benghazi as well.
And there are several amendments that address dealing in fetal body parts.
Hillary has no reason on Earth to withdraw at this point.
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It also says alot about the law.....and when its broken
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What are you babbling about, sirs?
There are Cocker Spaniels that know more about the law than you.
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XO are you....man enough...honest enough.... to admit it is not a good thing
for our country to have at least two "TOP SECRET" e-mails on Hillary's private e-mail server?
Does this not tell you something about her judgement?
I 'm sorry but this proves she is unfit for office!
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What are you babbling about, sirs?
There are Cocker Spaniels that know more about the law than you.
Says the professor who routinely trashes the Constitution & rule of law, when it gets in the way
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The supposition is that her private e mail server is (1) known to spies and (2) is accessible to them.
There is no evidence that any harm has been done to this country because of her private e mail.
If ( probably WHEN) she becomes PRESIDENT HILLARY, she will no longer have such an account.
So it is no big deal.
The Constitution has nothing at all to say about the security of even written letters, let alone e-mail.
And you would be against Hillary no matter what she did or how she did it, so your opinion is pretty much worthless.
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No, the supposition is that SHE HAD NO BUSINESS OR LEGAL STANDING USING A PRIVATE SERVER TO CONDUCT PUBLIC BUSINESS AS SOS
We have yet to know of what damage may have been caused, but the point you keep trying to sweep under the rug is her using her own private server in the 1st place, in direct violation of law, that mandates public employees use a Government authorized server. That is to ensure Government oversight, in the event something like Benghazi happens, and the person most directly involved can't hide/delete any incriminating evidence of just how incompotent or corrupt she is
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You would not know corruption if it grabbed your face like the critter in Alien.
But we know you would not try to abort it.
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Weak, albeit expected deflection effort. It's always nice to know when the other side has run out of defensible ammo. Thanks for the confirmation, xo
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Hillary has no reason to drop out.
She is ahead.
She beats every Republican't in the polls.
No one is guilty of anything until they are convicted.
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The supposition is that her private e mail server is (1) known to spies and (2) is accessible to them
That is "Hilary-us"
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It turns out that at least two of the emails which traversed Hillary Clinton’s personal email account and server were “top secret,” according to the inspector general for the Intelligence Community as reported by McClatchy. To describe that as reckless is an understatement given that, as AP notes, “There is no evidence she used encryption to shield the emails or her personal server from foreign intelligence services or other potentially prying eyes.” The FBI has now taken possession of that server.
When it comes to low-level government employees with no power, the Obama administration has purposely prosecuted them as harshly as possible to the point of vindictiveness: It has notoriously prosecuted more individuals under the Espionage Act of 1917 for improperly handling classified information than all previous administrations combined.
- NSA whistleblower Tom Drake, for instance, faced years in prison, and ultimately had his career destroyed, based on the Obama DOJ’s claims that he “mishandled” classified information (it included information that was not formally classified at the time but was retroactively decreed to be such).
- Less than two weeks ago, “a Naval reservist was convicted and sentenced for mishandling classified military materials” despite no “evidence he intended to distribute them.”
- Last year, a Naval officer was convicted of mishandling classified information also in the absence of any intent to distribute it.
In the light of these new Clinton revelations, the very same people who spent years justifying this obsessive assault are now scampering for reasons why a huge exception should be made for the Democratic Party front-runner. Fascinatingly, one of the most vocal defenders of this Obama DOJ record of persecution has been Hillary Clinton herself.
In December 2011, Chelsea Manning’s court-martial was set to begin. None of the documents at issue in that prosecution was “top secret,” unlike the documents found on Hillary Clinton’s server. Nonetheless, the then-secretary of state convened a press conference to denounce Manning and defend the prosecution. This is what she said:
If his case goes to trial and he is convicted, Manning could face life in prison. The government has said it would not seek the death penalty.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called Manning’s alleged actions damaging and unfortunate in remarks to reporters at the State Department on Thursday.
“I think that in an age where so much information is flying through cyberspace, we all have to be aware of the fact that some information which is sensitive, which does affect the security of individuals and relationships, deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so,” Clinton said.
Manning was convicted and sentenced to 35 years in prison. At the time, the only thing Hillary Clinton had to say about that was to issue a sermon about how classified information “deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so” because it “affects the security of individuals and relationships.”
That was during the time that she had covertly installed a non-government server and was using it and a personal email account to receive classified and, apparently, even top-secret information. While there’s no evidence she herself placed those documents on the server or sent them herself, it is her use of a personal server and email account that — quite predictably — caused the vulnerability.
It goes without saying that the U.S. government wildly overclassifies almost everything it touches, even the most benign information. As former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden said in 2010, “Everything’s secret. I mean, I got an email saying ‘Merry Christmas.’ It carried a top secret NSA classification marking.”
For that reason, almost all of these prosecutions for mishandling classified information have been wildly overzealous, way out of proportion to any harm they caused or could have caused, certainly out of proportion to the actual wrongdoing.
But that’s an argument that Hillary Clinton never uttered in order to object as people’s lives and careers were destroyed and they were hauled off to prison. To the contrary, she more often than not defended it, using rationale that, as it turns out, condemned herself and her own behavior at least as much as those whose persecution she was defending.
OUCH (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/12/hillary-clinton-sanctity-protecting-classified-information/)
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Rant on and on, but Hillary is not dropping out now. The idea that she would do that is just stupid. Like you, sirs.
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Nor did I claim she would. Too much money has bought and paid for her to drop out now. Just helps reinforce how there are rules for the Clintons and rules for the rest of us, that don't apply to them
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NO ONE of either party in Hillary's position would drop out now. NO one.
You might as well allege that Donald Trump should be on the cover of the next issue of O Magazine, or that Newt Gingrich challenge Sarah Palin to a game of laser tag.
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If the same potential illegal act were hanging over Trump or Jeb, the left would be going apoplectic in how they should not only drop out, but be arrested by the FBI immediately. Problem is, its your gal with the huge illegal albatross hanging around her neck.
But like I said, this should make you giddy with the notion that Sanders is going to be your front runner come party nomination time
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I would not expect them to drop out. Don't tell me what I would do.
You are clueless as a fortune teller. I would not expect the FBI to arrest either one of them for e mail. Jeez.
I think Hillary will be the most likely candidate. She does not expect someone like you to support her. She does not need your vote.
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I can tell you anything I want. Lesser candidates would absolutely drop out, and anyone in "Hillary's position", as in having potentially covered up a felony while functioning as our SoS, would absolutely be raked over the media coals, and see their poll #'s plummet, with the added push to drop out, before really hurting the party's chances come election time.
Here's the problem your gal has......now that the FBI is in possession of her server, they'll be able to identify when the "top SECRET clearance" was either applied or removed, from those e-mails, that have been determined to have been classified, despite her declaration she had nothing classified in her system.
- If it was removed AFTER she received it, then she has committed a crime, since she's on record as declaring she neither received nor sent any such classified information, much less top secret stuff.
- It if was removed before she received it, where the IG has now determined that it was indeed top secret classified stuff she had, then someone on her staff has committed 2 felonies, where by they both tampered with top secret classified information, AND placed said top secret information on an unsecured private server...hers
You better pray they don't find out who that person was, because you can bet they're not going to take the full felony fall, without naming names. My "support", or lack there of, is both irrelevant and yet another deflection effort
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Why I "had better pray" I do not understand. Hillary's problems are not my problems. I had nothing at all to do with her e mails. And prayer is pretty much talking to yourself, anyway. Hillary is not "my gal", she is simply the frontrunner among Democratic candidates.
No one that has amassed the campaign funds that Hillary has would ever drop out.
This was not my suggestion, but yours, and is totally stupid and unrealistic. Hillary is not going to take your advice.
No one is guilty until convicted.
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Once again, the "better pray", was rhetorical, not literal ::)
But you keep ignoring the reference I keep making, that I agree Hillary's not going to drop out, as she's been bought and payed for 10x over any other candidate. So no, it was neither my suggestion nor my expectation, professor wrong-yet-again
And yes, she hasn't been convicted of anything, but if this were a GOP candidate, you would have judged and convicted him before this debacle got even half as bad as it is for her now. (RHETORICAL, NOT LITERAL, since I'm aware you're not a member of any jury) One former attorney/judge even deemed her legal situation is beyond grave. NOT her political situation, but her actual legal situation, when you consider Patraeus was convicted for far less
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You are the one that started this, by saying "Hillary should drop out of the race"
Now you say that she won't and that it would be logical for her NOT to drop out.
You make no sense by posting this, then.
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Basically you are saying "No, I did not post this dumb shit, because it was rhetorical dumb shit when I posted it."
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You are the one that started this, by saying "Hillary should drop out of the race"
Show us Professor wrong-as-usual.....show us the quote where I made that claim.
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Hillary's Private Emails: The Vise Slowly Tightens
By Charles Lipson - August 13, 2015
The political class is seriously underestimating the impact of Hillary Clinton's email controversy. They see it mainly as a problem of public opinion and electoral politics, where it has been increasingly costly but not yet fatal. The political damage, the drip, drip, drip of revelations has been bad, but there is worse to come.
Hillary Clinton's big problem now is legal, and it could well be insurmountable politically. Here's why. Once a "political" issue finally moves into the legal system, as the Clinton email server has, it moves forward with an independent logic. That logic will slowly ensnare Secretary Clinton.
You can already see it happening. Two weeks ago, the Department of Justice acknowledged that it "has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information." The referral was not criminal, and the Clinton camp immediately pummeled the New York Times sloppy reporting that it was. But that's small ball and misleading at that. The DOJ is not investigating a civil matter here. It is investigating a crime. As that investigation moves forward, it will take on a life of its own, as it should in a government of laws.
Even if the Department of Justice is highly politicized, and it is, there is a powerful legal procedure here that will be hard to kill off. It began when the intelligence community's inspector general, I. Charles McCullough III, and his counterpart at the State Department, Steve Linick, made a referral to DOJ, saying that classified materials may have been compromised. McCullough also wrote Congress that a spot check of 40 Clinton emails showed that "four contained classified [intelligence community] information." That meant classified materials were being held in an unauthorized, insecure site, the Clinton server. In fact, the materials were also being held in a second unauthorized site. Clinton had given the materials to her attorney, David Kendall, on thumb-drives for his safekeeping. Since the communications are, by her own admission, official business and possibly classified, she may not have been authorized to transfer them, nor he to receive them.
The FBI has clear legal responsibilities when it is presented with such a referral. It must investigate and secure the materials. Fortunately, the FBI is run by a director with a reputation for independence and integrity. James Comey's agency has now gotten the server and thumb-drives, the ones Clinton said she would never give up. She had no choice but to surrender them or face obstruction-of-justice charges.
The legal and bureaucratic wheels will keep turning, and they will grind exceedingly fine. Since classified information was on the server, the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, and other intelligence services will be tasked with going through thousands of documents. They will want to know where the information originated, whether it was classified (either when it was received or later), and whether senior officials like Secretary Clinton and her top aides should have known the material was sensitive or subject to classification, even if it was not marked that way at the time. The intelligence agencies are already livid about this breach of security, and they will go through this material carefully. My guess is they will find hundreds of documents that should never have left a secure government location.
They will want to know several more things. Did the Clinton server meet the federal government's standards for how servers are built, how they are secured, and how data is retained? Was all sensitive material encrypted or did it circulate without those protections? Did anybody hack into the server? Did Secretary Clinton, who says she erased all "personal" emails from the server, actually erase some government documents? If so, was that inadvertent or a possible coverup? Who handled IT security for this server? Could he read the materials if he wished? These are legal questions with huge political ramifications.
I assume the Department of Justice will be lethargic. Under Eric Holder, the Obama Justice Department was the most politicized since John Mitchell cleaned the Augean Stables for Richard Nixon. The department is still packed with political appointees, but Holder?s successor, Loretta Lynch, has a good reputation from her days as a prosecutor. She may well play this straight. If so, then she would start with the IT guy and Clinton's assistants and try to roll them up, as you would in a normal criminal probe. My guess is she will do that only if she gets a wink and a nod from a White House ready to sink Hillary.
Politicized or not, the DOJ will be increasingly boxed in by the FBI and intelligence community investigations. Normally, when the intelligence community finds classified materials in unauthorized locations, it seeks felony prosecutions. Gen. David Petraeus was sunk for keeping his own personal calendars in an unlocked drawer at home. The calendars were deemed classified, even if they lacked an official stamp. President Clinton?s CIA Director, John Deutsch, lost his job and security clearance for using his portable computer at home. It had classified material on it. Those violations are trifling compared to Hillary Clinton's exposure.
If the FBI officially determines classified material was being held on the server, or foreign intelligence agencies hacked into it, or official materials were erased and not turned over to the courts, as Clinton stated under oath she had, then Director Comey will face the hardest decision of his professional life. If he recommends prosecution and the DOJ refuses, you can be sure an infuriated intelligence community will leak the news. That would be fatal to Clinton politically since it would smell like a cover-up. It is possible, of course, that the investigations will give Secretary Clinton a clean bill of health. But it is far more likely that they will bring legal peril, and, with it, political disaster.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/13/hillarys_private_emails_the_vice_slowly_tightens_127758.html
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Show you where?
IT IS THE TITLE OF YOUR FUCKING POST!!!!!
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Speaking of morons, you do grasp who I am vs who initiated the thread, right??
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Gotta love this quote, too:
You are the one that started this, by saying "Hillary should drop out of the race"
Now you say that she won't and that it would be logical for her NOT to drop out.
You make no sense by posting this, then.
;D
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Here's the problem your gal has......now that the FBI is in possession of her server, they'll be able to identify when the "top SECRET clearance" was either applied or removed, from those e-mails, that have been determined to have been classified, despite her declaration she had nothing classified in her system.
- If it was removed AFTER she received it, then she has committed a crime, since she's on record as declaring she neither received nor sent any such classified information, much less top secret stuff.
- If it was removed before she received it, where the IG has now determined that it was indeed top secret classified stuff she had, then someone on her staff has committed 2 felonies, where by they both tampered with top secret classified information, AND placed said top secret information on an unsecured private server...hers
You better pray they don't find out who that person was, because you can bet they're not going to take the full felony fall, without naming names.
This was exactly what I was referring to earlier :) (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/08/14/hmm-did-hillarys-inner-circle-strip-emails-of-classified-indicators-n2038665)
Two independent Inspectors General concluded when they referred this case to the DOJ for investigation: The material "was classified when they were sent, and are classified now," they wrote. Two of the handful of emails reviewed by the IGs contained top secret information, which would clearly have been classified at the time. And if classified markings were indeed stripped off of the emails prior to sending them into Hillary's unsecure private server -- since wiped clean, after more than 30,000 emails were unilaterally deleted by her team -- it stands to reason that it would have been someone at the top of her organization making those calls
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She is not going to drop out, and has no reason to do so at this point.
If she does, then Elizabeth Warren would easily trounce any of the Republican'ts.
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She is not going to drop out, and has no reason to do so at this point.
Yep.....far too much money has been spent buying her, for her to be allowed to drop out now
If she does, then Elizabeth Warren would easily trounce any of the Republican'ts.
LOL....eating those "special cookies" again, I see
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The last candidate to drop out of a national presidential election was Tom Eagleton, who apparently failed to tell George McGovern about some therapy he had for depression. He was replaced by Sargent Shriver.
I do not see the e mail flap or this ridiculous "Bill Clinton might have rode on an airplane with a suspicious woman" flap to be taken seriously by most voters. But it it did become a major obstacle, then I imagine Hillary mighrt drop out and be replaced by Elizabeth Warren, who is a very honest woman with far less baggage.
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What you "fail to see" is the overt laws that have been broken, and the ongoing lies in trying to cover it up. At this point, Clinton is getting closer to moving into the "Big House" vs the White House
And I'm pretty sure yout can't really apply the term "honest" to Warren's claims of Indian ancestry, in some apparent transparent effort to puff up her resume. But that's for another thread, for those who want to fantasize about Warren jumping in
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Hillary should drop out of the race if she thinks it is more important to have a Democrat President than to have a Hillary Clinton President.
What we already know about Hillary and her e-mail account would cause severe discipline to fall upon any of her own subordinates , including me, I know these rules because I must obey them.
If we later learn that there were leaks due to careless handling this will be even worse, but even without this it is already careless handling and due cause for disciplinary action.
Bill Clinton got forgiven for every sort of outrageous infraction , his voters acted more like a fan club than citizens interested in good government.
Perhaps Hillary is depending on having her audience just as charmed.
When rules are broken , just tell the people that it is old stuff you are tired of talking about , it is totally clintonian.
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You know what's funny now.....pay attention to both the media and the Clinton camp as they imply that any ongoing investigation, isn't one of Clinton, but of the server. As if the server became self aware, and simply initiated all these acts, on its own. Who knew that it'd be the Clintons that founded Skynet
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The major mantra of the Right Wing is that "Government cannot do anything right: only private enterprise can be trusted."
But then they harp on how Hillary should have let the GOVERNMENT servers handle her e-mail, rather than a private company.
So great is their Hillaryhate that they violate the basic premise of "Conservatism".
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LOL....priceless. So now her defense for breaking the law is ...... that she could do a better job than the Government could do at oversight?? ;D
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Bob Woodward says the Hillary e-mail situation reminds him of the Nixon tapes
YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgCEeWKPq-o
A new week and a new set of problems for Hillary Clinton as she tries to deal with the expanding Emailgate scandal, as well as a new level of distress for the Democrat Party as it faces the intensifying fallout from the former secretary of state's use of a private email server.
On Sunday, ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl reported that there may exist a complete set of Clinton emails on a backup server that can provide investigators with a full record of Hillary's correspondence, even those emails that she determined were personal and ordered to be deleted. This development, as reported by Breitbart, could expose Clinton to serious legal problems if backup files show she destroyed evidence important to the Benghazi investigation.
The primary server on which Clinton supposedly stored her official and her personal emails has been seized by the FBI as the Justice Department investigates what kind of classified info may have been contained in those digital communications that were apparently unsecured. Some reports say that primary server has been professionally wiped clean, which makes the existence of a possible backup all the more significant.
ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Karl in his report for the ABC News show This Week:
"...in the most intriguing new development, Platte River Networks, the Colorado company that set up Clinton's server, told ABC News it is highly likely that a full backup of the server was made, meaning those thousands of emails she deleted, may still exist. The company says it's cooperating with the FBI."
In another blockbuster report, The Washington Times says the number of Hillary Clinton's emails now believed to contain classified information is exploded, from 4 to 60. Clinton has maintained that her emails, which were managed on a personal server kept in her private residence, contained no classified materials.
"That figure [of 60] is current through the end of July and is likely to grow as officials wade through a total of 30,000 work-related emails that passed through her personal email server, officials said. The process is expected to take months,? reports the Times.
And in one of the most damning assessments to date about Hillary Clinton's potential problems stemming from the Emailgate scandal, famed Watergate reporter Bob Woodward says the situation reminds him of the Nixon tapes and the fall of the former president.
Woodward made his explosive comment early Monday on the MSNBC show Morning Joe. By clicking on the video above, you can see the segment that may well have Democrat party officials and power brokers pulling their hair out.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-what-this-famous-reporter-just-said-about-hillary-emails-will-make-dems-heads-explode/
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Since the basic tenet of the Republican Party is that government cannot do anything right, why is it suddenly the right thing to force Hillary to entrust the government with her e mails?
Could it be that the Republican'ts trust the government to get it right more often than a free enterprise server?
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Since the basic tenet of the Republican Party is that government cannot do anything right, why is it suddenly the right thing to force Hillary to entrust the government with her e mails?
The Republican Party certainly supports less gvt, but it is ridiculous to equate that to believing it is ok
for high gvt officials to keep top secret national security documents in their private low security e-mail documents.
Hillary blew it and she will never be President because of her horrible mistakes and lapses in judgement.
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MSNBC reporter on Hillary laughing off emails: Not a "joking matter" to many Democrats
MSNBC Reporter Mark Halperin:
"I have never in my career dealt with a presidential campaign who's as unresponsive to basic questions"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=33&v=A93ThmFgpRM
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Since the basic tenet of the Republican Party is that government cannot do anything right,
Wrong again.....the basic tenent of the GOP is that the bigger Government, the more inefficent, bureaucratic, abusive, & oppressive it can become. You're speaking as if those who are conservative are anarchists, who want to do away with Government. Not even close. Government has an absolute vital role to the security of this country, and Congress has the....wait for it.....CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE of oversight. It should be just big enough to perform those functions, mandated by the Constitution
This has nothing to do with "trusting Government", and everything to do with the rule of law and Constitutional seperation of powers. You seriously think everything VP Cheney and SoS Rice corresponded to, via e-mail, should have been kept from Congress?? Yea, try to sell that
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Choosing a server for one's e mail has everything to do with trusting government or mistrusting government.
Again, the basic tenet of the GOP is that Government cannot do anything well, that private enterprise always does everything better.
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Choosing a server for one's e mail has everything to do with trusting government or mistrusting government.
Funny how that's not the excuse being used by the Clinton camp. It was all about "ease of use", and apparently screw the rule of law. What's patently obvious is that Clinton didn't want Congress to be able to see anything she was doing as SoS, contrary to rule of law and the Congress' constitutional right/obligation to see everything she was doing as SoS
Like I said, you really expect us to believe you'd have been perfectly ok with Cheney using only a private server for all his duties as VP?? Riiiiiiiiiiight
Again, the basic tenet of the GOP is that Government cannot do anything well
And again, you're wrong. But cudos on the new defense tactic.....as ridiculous as it is
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The Oligarchy that bought & paid Clinton 10x over is going to have a real hard time keeping her perched. The amount of "classified" e-mails she claimed she never had, started with around 6 that the IG flagged, increased to 60, now looks to be over 300+....CLASSIFIED E-MAILS on her private server, where she claimed she had ZERO, which should have never been on an unsecured private server, IN THE 1ST PLACE
Xo & Sanders have to be truly giddy at this prospect. Why Warren's name keeps getting thrown in, is really bizarrre
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Warren is a very effective speaker and is not corrupt in any way. She is also not a part of the Washington establishment. She could beat the crap out of a doofus like Scott Walker or a lout like Trump.
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She is also not running, and has made it clear she has no intention of running. Why you keep injecting her name vs lauding the increased chances Sanders has, who IS running. is truly bizarre
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Why you keep injecting her name vs lauding the increased chances Sanders has, who IS running. is truly bizarre
This guy is gaining quickly!
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Choosing a server for one's e mail has everything to do with trusting government or mistrusting government.
Again, the basic tenet of the GOP is that Government cannot do anything well, that private enterprise always does everything better.
Are you saying that Hillary, with her distrust of Government monitored communication and avoidance of FOIA, is by nature Republican?
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Hey Newt.....get in the backseat.....I predicted this before you!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/17/gingrich_hillary_will_not_be_the_nominee_republicans_should_worry_about_sanders.html
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Look at the title of this thread......looks like I have company!
(http://www.adamwarrock.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/guardian-uk-logo.jpg)
Mary Dejevsky: I'm a Hillary Clinton fan. But I hope she bows out with grace
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/17/hillary-clinton-white-house-too-much-baggage
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Hillary is not dropping out of the race because of some British columnist with a Russian name. She has no reason to do so.
I wonder if Trump or Ted Cruz will "bow out with grace".
The voters can decide who they want their candidate to be, not some homophobic Trumpster and some British writer.
As for Bernie Sanders, he is incorruptible, honest and not a part of the Establishment.
The purpose of elections is to decide this.
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The Oligarchy owns Clinton, so she's not going to bow out. Too much arrogance to do so gracefully either
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Hillary is not dropping out of the race
Hillary will NOT be the Democratic nominee!
At this point I predict a Biden/Warren ticket.
Which works well with female vote and Biden serving only one term.
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That's a pretty solid prediction. Allows Warren not to backtrack on her pledge not to run, if shes simply asked to be the VP nominee
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That's a pretty solid prediction. Allows Warren not to backtrack on her pledge not to run, if shes simply asked to be the VP nominee
SIRS....plus if Biden/Warren won she would be an odd's on favorite in 2020 and be first female VP in history.
not a bad reward from her standpoint.
I just can not see the Democratic Party nominating Sanders....who is not even in the Democratic Party.
These are all Bernie Sanders quotes:
"You don't change the system from within the Democratic Party"
"My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt"
"We have to ask ourselves, "Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don't agree with anything the Democratic Party says?"
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That's a pretty solid prediction. Allows Warren not to backtrack on her pledge not to run, if shes simply asked to be the VP nominee
SIRS....plus if Biden/Warren won she would be an odd's on favorite in 2020 and be first female VP in history.
not a bad reward from her standpoint.
Yea...but when's the last time the Democrat party did something "smart"? Biden is such a certified doofus, I don't think he could carry the ticket, since ultimately its who you're voting for to be President, and not who could be 4 years from now
I just can not see the Democratic Party nominating Sanders....who is not even in the Democratic Party.
I disagree......he's up front.....he's bascially a Democrat version of Trump, in that he's going to say what he believes, and damn the consequences. I'd be shocked if they ever did nominate a Socialist, but considering they nominated, and the country subsequently elected a stealth Socialist, I wouldn't put it past them. Especially when you consider how much further left the base of the party has become. What hurts him is his age, and quite frankly, his honesty
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starting to see a few of these around town:
(http://s14.postimg.org/a2zdzsp0h/Hillary_Prison.jpg)
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Texas has swarms of stupid people, but my guess is that you just saw this only online and thought it was clever.
The time for the stupid Texans to get really stupid about the 2016 election has not yet arrived. Presently, I imagine they are using their stupidity in other ways, like discussing sports.
Not all Texans are stupid, but those that are, are as easy to identify as Moe, Shemp, Larry and Curly Joe were.
Por el canto se conoce el pájaro
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Sirs....before or after Hillary drops out....this could be the ticket!
(http://s15.postimg.org/nxey2e6h7/Biden_Warren.jpg)
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I would prefer Warren to be president. Sanders for vice president.
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You might as well want Oprah as President with Danny Glover her VP as it relates to that ticket ever occurring
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XO....I'm afraid SIRS is right....you will never see a Warren/Sanders ticket.
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I did not say I would, I said what I would LIKE to see.
And I don't think Biden will run. But it is after all, up to him and even more up to those who will fund his campaign.
I do not dislike Biden, I just do not think he is likely to run.
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I did not say I would, I said what I would LIKE to see.
Ok fair enough....
i think Biden was not considering running until he saw what is happening
Uncle Joe will wait and see if Hillary begins to unravel.
I think Biden may do it if she continues to be a scandal magnet.
I am surprised O'Malley has not caught more wind in his sails.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZfMyW_Tw8U&spfreload=10
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What does O'Malley have to offer?
Baltimore is not a shining example of political excellence. This is true of most cities in these times, since that tax income has dropped and the benefits have grown.
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What does O'Malley have to offer?
Executive experience, right age, well spoken, and seems a much easier sell than baggage/drama magnet Hillary.
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He is pretty much totally unknown.
All I know about him is (a) he is from Baltimore and (b) he is at least partly Irish.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-lawyer-says-her-email-server-was-wiped-clean/ar-BBlT2xE
It is cleaned out. Blank, evidence gone.
If I were a prosecutor I would consider this worse than suspicious.
As a voter it is convicting, but she does not loose my vote for this , I have been too hurt with her to vote for her since "travelgate".
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I was watching many a Clinton supporter referencing a similar conclusion. .... if having "turned everything in" why would you then have the server professionally sweeped, before turning it over, and only after it had been required to to b3 turned over by the FBI. She makes it look more and more like she was trying to hide something
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if having "turned everything in" why would you then have the server professionally sweeped,
before turning it over, and only after it had been required to to b3 turned over by the FBI.
She makes it look more and more like she was trying to hide something
Many would be in jail over doing that....destruction of evidence...
but the Clinton's think they live by different rules...arrogance
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My prediction still stands......Obama's justice dept will perform a "thorough investigation" and.conclude that Clinton didn't "knowingly" violate any laws, and the recommendation will be made that all subsequent high level officials maintain all government related materials on government run server. ......like the one used by the IRS
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(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/bg082015dAPR20150820114559.jpg)
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Is she about done?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-says-classified-emails-were-on-server-1440030491
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But....but.....I thought she made it abudantly clear herself, that she had none, zip, squat, nada classified materials, on her private non-secured server :o
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this short video is devastating to Hillary.....i predict she will quit before the year is out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV0il-90JnI
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Uh oh......now the reporting coming out is that all the classified stuff that went onto the unsecured private server, WAS CLASSIFIED to begin with?? :o
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Sirs....before or after Hillary drops out....this could be the ticket!
(http://s15.postimg.org/nxey2e6h7/Biden_Warren.jpg)
Biden consults with Warren (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150822/us--dem_2016-biden-849296f43f.html)
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Too funny, not to share (https://youtu.be/Prls6Iz3B3E)