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Title: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: hnumpah on September 16, 2015, 06:43:16 PM
Irving's police chief announced Wednesday that charges won’t be filed against Ahmed Mohamed, the MacArthur High School freshman arrested Monday after he brought what school officials and police described as a “hoax bomb” on campus.

At a joint press conference with Irving ISD, Chief Larry Boyd said the device -- confiscated by an English teacher despite the teen’s insistence that it was a clock -- was “certainly suspicious in nature.”

“The student showed the device to a teacher, who was concerned that it was possibly the infrastructure for a bomb,” Boyd said.

School officers questioned Ahmed about the device and why Ahmed had brought it to school. Boyd said Ahmed was then handcuffed “for his safety and for the safety of the officers” and taken to a juvenile detention center. He was later released to his parents, Boyd said.

“The follow-up investigation revealed the device apparently was a homemade experiment, and there’s no evidence to support the perception he intended to create alarm,” Boyd said, describing the incident as a "naive accident."

During the news conference, Boyd touted the “outstanding relationship” he’s had with the Muslim community in Irving. He said he talked to members of the Muslim community this morning and plans to meet with Ahmed's father later today.

Asked if the teen's religious beliefs factored into his arrest, Boyd said the reaction “would have been the same” under any circumstances.

“We live in an age where you can’t take things like that to school,” he said. “Of course we’ve seen across our country horrific things happen, so we have to err on the side of caution.”

Irving ISD spokeswoman Lesley Weaver also addressed the media, saying that information “made public to this point has been very unbalanced.”

She declined to provide details on how school officials handled the incident, citing laws intended to safeguard student privacy.

“We were doing everything with an abundance of caution to protect all of our students in Irving,” she said.

Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne took to Facebook to defend the actions of the school district and police, saying their daily work helped make Irving “one of the safest cities in the country.”

“I do not fault the school or the police for looking into what they saw as a potential threat,” Van Duyne wrote. “We have all seen terrible and violent acts committed in schools. ... Perhaps some of those could have been prevented and lives could have been spared if people were more vigilant.”

The mayor later amended her post, acknowledging that she would be “very upset” had the same thing happened to her own child.

“It is my sincere desire that Irving ISD students are encouraged to use their creativity, develop innovations and explore their interests in a manner that fosters higher learning,” Van Duyne wrote. “Hopefully, we can all learn from this week’s events and the student, who has obvious gifts, will not feel at all discouraged from pursuing his talent in electronics and engineering.”

Shortly after the press conference, President Barack Obama extended a Twitter invitation for Ahmed to bring his “cool clock” to the White House. “We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It’s what makes America great,” the tweet read.

Josh Earnest, Obama's press secretary, said the case goes to show how stereotypes can cloud the judgment of even the most “good-hearted people.”

“It’s clear that at least some of Ahmed's teachers failed him,” Earnest said. “That’s too bad, but it’s not too late for all of us to use this as a teachable moment and to search our own conscience for biases in whatever form they take.”

The White House also extended the teen an invitation to speak with NASA scientists and astronauts at next month’s Astronomy Night.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg also joined the social media chorus, extending an open invitation to visit and exhorting Ahmed to “keep building.”

“Having the skill and ambition to build something cool should lead to applause, not arrest,” Zuckerberg wrote. “The future belongs to people like Ahmed.”

Earlier Wednesday at a modest, red-brick house in central Irving, Ahmed and his family welcomed media crews at the front door and in the backyard as they tried to come to grips with the boy’s overnight ascension to international celebrity.

His sisters, 18-year-old Eyman and 17-year-old Ayisha, could hardly keep up with the tweets and stunning news about their little brother. Because Ahmed was never much for social media, the girls set up a Twitter account for him, @IStandWithAhmed, and watched it balloon to thousands of followers within hours.

“We’re trending No. 1!” Ayisha cried to her sister, holding a cellphone over a stuffed coffee table in the living room.

“It's a blessing and a curse,” Ayisha said of Ahmed’s arrest and subsequent fame. “I don’t think he’ll ever be able to live normally again.”

But they were happy for invitations to visit companies including Google and to move and study in other cities, and for the tweets of support, including one from Hillary Clinton. They recalled how, barely two days earlier, their brother described struggling to hold back tears in front of police officers after his arrest.

Ahmed, after finishing up another interview in the backyard, recalled his emotions as he was handcuffed at Irving MacArthur High School and removed from campus.

“I was really mad,” Ahmed said as he looked at a much-retweeted photo of himself in handcuffs. “I was like, ‘Why am I here?’”

A Council on American Islamic Relations representative then hustled Ahmed and his family off to talk to a lawyer.

After they left, Ahmed’s grandmother, Aisha Musa, lay on a bed in the dining room, resting her feet. She had immigrated from Sudan with the rest of the family years ago.

She doesn’t speak English or know her exact age, but her granddaughters translated her take on her grandson’s celebrity: “I want my son’s son to grow old and have a good job. I thank God there’s nothing people can say but [that] we are good people.”

Staff writers Avi Selk, Naheed Rajwani, Todd Gillman and Robert Wilonsky contributed to this report.

Update at 10:09 a.m. Wednesday: Former secretary of state and Democratic presidential candidiate Hillary Clinton joined the tidal wave of tweets supporting Mohamed Ahmed after his arrest Monday for bringing a homemade digital clock to school.

"Assumptions and fear don't keep us safe -- they hold us back. Ahmed, stay curious and keep building,” Clinton's tweet read.

Irving ISD officials and Irving police will hold a press conference at 11 a.m. Wednesday at the Irving Criminal Justice Center. We will continue to update this story as new developments emerge.

Update at 9:32 a.m. Wednesday: After the story of Ahmed Mohamed's arrest for bringing a homemade digital clock to school went viral Tuesday, triggering an outpouring of support for him on social media, Ahmed tweeted a thank-you early Wednesday.

Original story by Avi Selk:

IRVING — Ahmed Mohamed — who makes his own radios and repairs his own go-kart — hoped to impress his teachers when he brought a homemade clock to MacArthur High on Monday.

Instead, the school phoned police about Ahmed’s circuit-stuffed pencil case.

So the 14-year-old missed the student council meeting and took a trip in handcuffs to juvenile detention. His clock now sits in an evidence room. Police say they may yet charge him with making a hoax bomb — though they acknowledge he told everyone who would listen that it’s a clock.

In the meantime, Ahmed’s been suspended, his father is upset and the Council on American-Islamic Relations is once again eyeing claims of Islamophobia in Irving.

Box of circuit boards

A box full of circuit boards sits at the foot of Ahmed’s small bed in central Irving. His door marks the border where the Mohamed family’s cramped but lavishly decorated house begins to look like the back room at RadioShack.

“Here in high school, none of the teachers know what I can do,” Ahmed said, fiddling with a cable while a soldering iron dangled from the shelf behind him.

He loved robotics club in middle school and was searching for a similar niche in his first few weeks of high school.

So he decided to do what he’s always done: He built something.

Ahmed’s clock was hardly his most elaborate creation. He said he threw it together in about 20 minutes before bedtime on Sunday: a circuit board and power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front.

He showed it to his engineering teacher first thing Monday morning and didn’t get quite the reaction he’d hoped for.

“He was like, ‘That’s really nice,’” Ahmed said. “‘I would advise you not to show any other teachers.’”

He kept the clock inside his school bag in English class, but the teacher complained when the alarm beeped in the middle of a lesson. Ahmed brought his invention up to show her afterward.

“She was like, it looks like a bomb,” he said.

“I told her, ‘It doesn’t look like a bomb to me.’”

The teacher kept the clock. When the principal and a police officer pulled Ahmed out of sixth period, he suspected he wouldn’t get it back.

They led Ahmed into a room where four other police officers waited. He said an officer he’d never seen before leaned back in his chair and remarked: “Yup. That’s who I thought it was.”

Ahmed felt suddenly conscious of his brown skin and his name — one of the most common in the Muslim religion. But the police kept him busy with questions.

The bell rang at least twice, he said, while the officers searched his belongings and questioned his intentions. The principal threatened to expel him if he didn’t make a written statement, he said.

“They were like, ‘So you tried to make a bomb?’” Ahmed said.

“I told them no, I was trying to make a clock.”

“He said, ‘It looks like a movie bomb to me.’”

Police skepticism

Ahmed never claimed his device was anything but a clock, said police spokesman James McLellan. And police have no reason to think it was dangerous. But officers still didn’t believe Ahmed was giving them the whole story.


“We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.”

Asked what broader explanation the boy could have given, the spokesman explained:

“It could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car. The concern was, what was this thing built for? Do we take him into custody?”

Police led Ahmed out of MacArthur about 3 p.m., his hands cuffed behind him and an officer on each arm. A few students gaped in the halls. He remembers the shocked expression of his student counselor — the one “who knows I’m a good boy.”

Ahmed was spared the inside of a cell. The police sent him out of the juvenile detention center to meet his parents shortly after taking his fingerprints.

They’re still investigating the case, and Ahmed hasn’t been back to school. His family said the principal suspended him for three days.

“They thought, ‘How could someone like this build something like this unless it’s a threat?’” Ahmed said.

An Irving ISD statement gave no details about the case, citing student privacy laws. But a letter addressed to "Parents/Guardians" and signed by MacArthur Principal Dan Cummings said Irving police had "responded to a suspicious-looking item on campus" and had determined that "the item ... did not pose a threat to your child's safety."

‘Invent good things’

“He just wants to invent good things for mankind,” said Ahmed’s father, Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, who immigrated from Sudan and occasionally returns there to run for president. “But because his name is Mohamed and because of Sept. 11, I think my son got mistreated.”

Mohamed is familiar with anti-Islamic politics. He once made national headlines for debating a Florida pastor who burned a Quran.

But he wasn’t paying much attention this summer when Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne became a national celebrity in anti-Islamic circles, fueling rumors in speeches that the religious minority was plotting to usurp American laws.

However, the Council on American-Islamic Relations took note.

“This all raises a red flag for us: how Irving’s government entities are operating in the current climate,” said Alia Salem, who directs the council’s North Texas chapter and has spoken to lawyers about Ahmed’s arrest.

“We’re still investigating,” she said, “but it seems pretty egregious.”

Meanwhile, Ahmed is sitting home in his bedroom, tinkering with old gears and electrical converters, pronouncing words like “ethnicity” for what sounds like the first time.

He’s vowed never to take an invention to school again.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 16, 2015, 07:15:34 PM
Quote
.......... describing the incident as a "naive accident."


Yes.

Though who exactly it is who seems naïve right now he might be surprised at.

Lots of things other than bombs use timers, I feel there was a lack of careful thinking here.

It might be interesting to know whether this would have happened to a Caucasian Christian named Jack, but how to know that?


http://www.amazon.com/E-Projects-Digital-Clock-Soldering-Kit/dp/B00CPT88JO

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/331438499334?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82

http://electronicsusa.com/productskits.html

These were easy to find , clocks are a common electronic student project.

When I was a student such a project was a requirement, lots of clocks were built plain and fancy.

I built a Theremin, not a really good one , but it worked. 
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 16, 2015, 08:50:02 PM
It does make sense to be concern about an electronic device with a clock display but its also an episode of still the beaver which the beavers son made one as a school project.


people will hate to hear this but it take very little to stop innovation it's the reason we never hear anyone can replace steve jobs.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 16, 2015, 08:58:53 PM
It should have been obvious that it was a bomb because there was no explosive attached to it. Digital clocks are a common device for projects. Every computer has at least one built in.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 16, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
From now on he will have limits on what kind of stuff to buy or make at home. It will always be at the back of his head to second guess what people will think of things he's doing. Some will not see a problem but can we afford to such innovative limits
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 16, 2015, 09:43:56 PM
   A bomb might look like a cardboard box, a pressure cooker , a backpack, or a piece of string.

    Some look like pipe some look like pineapples and some look like clods of dirt.

     Some resemble a tuna can or a pie plate or a birdhouse or a fuel cylinder.

     Some real bombs actually look like black globes.

   It may be a good thing that most of us are not very familiar with what a bomb looks like, that is a very hard won familiarity.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 17, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
Dear Mr. President and Ahmed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN5Lj_74u38
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 17, 2015, 09:32:49 PM
President Obama did precisely the correct and right thing here.

We do not need bad publicity involving clever, well meaning Muslim kids.

Would McCain or Romney have invited him to thew White House?

I really doubt that the idea would have occed to them or any of their advisers.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 18, 2015, 02:28:28 AM
  It is a Reagan kind of thing to do.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 18, 2015, 03:47:09 AM
That doesn't make sense. None of those actions warrant an invite. But any kid who makes something tends to get on the list of possible invite. It doesn't help his arguement by saying muslim several times. It actually support the teens who claimed racism about the bomb charge.

He's too bias
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 18, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
 It is a Reagan kind of thing to do.
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No, it was NOT.


Reagan never did anything like this.

Not the real Reagan. Perhaps the image of St Ronald of Reagan that inhabits your merrythought.

It sent the exact message that this country needs to send to Muslims: we are not at war with your religion. We respect Muslims as human beings. We are only fighting those who seek to do us harm.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 19, 2015, 12:33:35 AM
It is a Reagan kind of thing to do.
====================================
No, it was NOT.


Reagan never did anything like this.

Not the real Reagan. Perhaps the image of St Ronald of Reagan that inhabits your merrythought.

It sent the exact message that this country needs to send to Muslims: we are not at war with your religion. We respect Muslims as human beings. We are only fighting those who seek to do us harm.

Yes Reagan was wont to make the large and conceptual into the personal and understandable.

There are several examples of Reagan sending congratulations personally , not too unlike this.

So....

You dislike Reagan so much that you can't let me complement President Obama via such a comparison ?


Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 19, 2015, 12:52:41 AM
Now im confused.

I saw the full picture and it looks like a briefcase with electronics in it. But how is that possible since the device was discovered in his bag. Meaning the image is off scale to look like a briefcase bomb.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 19, 2015, 01:22:58 AM
http://makezine.com/2015/09/16/this-is-ahmed-mohameds-clock/

(http://i0.wp.com/makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0916ahmedclock-sk.jpg?resize=790%2C478)

  I agree with this article , these look like the guts from a typical digital alarm clock.

   If he assembled this from found parts or repaired a broken clock it would look a lot like this.
Title: They didnlt think it was a bomb
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 19, 2015, 09:13:27 AM


Great Post Sent to Me Today

I said: it's sad they thought that kid had a bomb.
She said: they didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: yes, they thought he made a bomb and even called the police.
She said: They just wanted to humiliate a little Muslim boy. They didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: Don't be a conspiracy theorist. They might be a little prejudiced, but I'm sure they thought he had a bomb.
She said: OK.
But they didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't get as far away from him as possible, like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office: not like you do when there's a bomb
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive, and then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
Then they took pictures of it.

I said: Damn.....They never thought he had a bomb.

EQUAL RIGHTS are HUMAN RIGHTS
The Irving PD, & the School Admin will be rightfully sued.
They can now pay Ahmed's way to MIT.
Thanks.

"They never thought he had a bomb"
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: hnumpah on September 19, 2015, 03:34:58 PM
But but but...he was Ay-rab, with a name like Ahmed Mohamed it had to be a bomb...
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: sirs on September 19, 2015, 04:14:41 PM
The best part is him supposedly being arrested for constructing a faux bomb.....but....in order for it to be a faux bomb, doesn't that require him to claim his fake bomb was a bomb??....to justify the charge??  IIRC he claimed it was a clock thru-out this ridiculous debacle

------------------------------------------

On a related note however, its being reported that the "pictures of him being led away in handcuffs" did not occur inside the school, but taken at the father's request later on
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 19, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
Why would they put a kid in handcuffs?  The police in this incident are serious dorks.

Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 19, 2015, 04:42:53 PM
  There are forms to fill out and boxes to check on those forms.

   Whether or not to handcuff a suspect is not usually left to an officers discretion.

     None of the authority figures here look very smart from this , but some of these did not have any choice or discretion to use.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 19, 2015, 04:48:43 PM
I believe that somewhere in Dickens, a character points out that "The Law is a ass."

A spindly little Black kid forced to do a perp walk in cuffs for doing nothing illegal makes this country look very bad.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 19, 2015, 04:57:01 PM
I believe that somewhere in Dickens, a character points out that "The Law is a ass."

A spindly little Black kid forced to do a perp walk in cuffs for doing nothing illegal makes this country look very bad.

Well said ,
Whether the idiocy is individual or institutional or both, does not matter as much as the result .


All is well that ends well.
This kid is going to have a better reputation than he started with , not become one of the usual suspects.

If this had not raised such a stink , it might not have been cleaned up quite as well.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: sirs on September 19, 2015, 05:29:57 PM
  There are forms to fill out and boxes to check on those forms.

   Whether or not to handcuff a suspect is not usually left to an officers discretion.

     None of the authority figures here look very smart from this , but some of these did not have any choice or discretion to use.

Not to mention, that as I saw being reported, it was the father that wanted the handcuffs to stay on, and no longer on campus, with pictures taken at that time.  Doesn't excuse the ridiculous over reaction and "charge" for this supposed crime.  Just saying
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 19, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
and then there is reality!

http://nypost.com/2015/09/19/how-ahmeds-clock-became-a-false-convenient-tale-of-racism/
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 19, 2015, 06:45:51 PM
Instead of being credited with enlightenment for being the only white-majority country ever to elect a black leader, now we’re told that everything is about racism.

==============================================================
Each and every person that makes this comment will also tell you that they dod not vote for President Obama..

Sure, there are millions of people in schools in this country, and so the odds are that a lot of stupid crap happens in schools, like expelling a student for threatening class mates with a pop tart or saying "Bless you!" when someone sneezed. But there is not an ongoing contest for Most Stupid Thing Ever Done in a Classroom.

The face is  that everyone knew that this kid's project was of no danger to anyone, since they did not evacuate the school or set off alarms, as they would have done otherwise.

Suspending the kid for three days for nothing was a mistake. The police chief of Irving said a lot of stupid stuff. If I were a resident of Irving, I would vote his ass out of office.

And saying that the kid being Black and  Muslim to boot was not part of the reason for all the hoopla is just not true.
And peope with brains know this, and the usual idiots will deny it.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 19, 2015, 07:20:20 PM
yes white pop tart kid....not about race
muzzy or black....OMG it must be race!
no way a white kid with bomb looking shit gets in trouble....LOLOLOLLOLOL yeah sure!

http://madworldnews.com/muslim-bomb-clock-kids/
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 19, 2015, 11:01:49 PM
They say a picture is worth a thousand words

(http://s24.postimg.org/x8extlrzp/11227775_10153372587469442_8509541424153031550_n.jpg)
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 21, 2015, 02:12:45 AM
I thought i brought up the fact the kid put the clock in his bags points out the device looks more like a clock due to size.. That picture makes it look like its  briefcase size. Then i noticed the display and then it looked like a clock again
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 21, 2015, 11:42:42 PM
Watch: Bill Maher Asks The Question About The Kid Clock-Maker No One Wants To

http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-bill-maher-asks-the-question-about-the-kid-clock-maker-no-one-wants-to-sparks-outrage/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TPNNPages&utm_content=2015-09-21
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 22, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
  If that device had been an actual bomb , nothing done by any of the school personnel nor the police would have kept it from going off and killing some people.

   I don't think it would be much of a challenge to make a bomb that looked exactly like this, but a bomb could look like pretty much anything, it is the hidden nature of the weapon that makes them so effective.

    But this thing was not hidden, it was not presented as a hoax bomb, it didn't get the attention of a bomb squad, the area was not evacuated.

    And very likely every one of us owns these same components, only less tinkered with.

  The authorities are not covered in glory from this , no fault of Mohammed.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 22, 2015, 03:16:42 AM
I like what mark said that the kid is the only winner. But despite this will this event effect how he do things. Before he had no limits on what he can do but today he's now alot more aware of the outside world. He did get handcuffed and suspended. that kid does strike me as thug tough
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 22, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
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Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 22, 2015, 11:34:05 AM
 that kid does strike me as thug tough

Thug tough? Really?

He looks like the kid Steve Urkle would beat up on.

At worst he is a mere prankster.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 22, 2015, 12:13:01 PM
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Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 22, 2015, 02:33:04 PM
I think the clock and gun counter each other out. 

Joking about the thug statement . But i hear the kid is skittish now. The more i think about that maher vid the more i believe the boy did everything a kid his age would of done. Meaning this event would of happened no matter what
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 23, 2015, 05:07:09 AM
  Yes , everyone gets nervous and something like this becomes inevitable.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 23, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
That picture is so deceptive. I just have a hard time thinking its a pencil box not a briefcase. But it is
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 24, 2015, 07:55:45 AM
(http://www.billkassel.com/wp-content/uploads/logos/Breitbart-Logo.jpg)

AHMED'S SISTER ADMITS SCHOOL SUSPENSION
FOR ALLEGED BOMB THREAT 3 YEARS EARLIER


By NEIL MUNRO

23 Sep 2015

The sister of the boy who brought a suspected hoax-bomb to his Texas high school said she was suspended from a school in a prior bomb scare. Her suspension occurred in 2009 while she was attending middle school in the same district.

Lesley Weaver, a spokeswoman for the district, said school officials can't release any information about the 18-year-old sister's episode because the Sudanese parents won't sign the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, The school has already sent the form to the immigrant Sudanese parents, but they won''t sign it, she said.

The sister is named Eyman Mohamed.

"I wish we could". provide more information to the media," said Weaver, whose school district and local police force are now facing worldwide claims that they unfairly targeted the sister's brother 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed after he was detained Sept. 14 on the suspicion that he had brought a hoax bomb into the school.

The boy brought his device "a dismantled, 12-volt clock packed inside a school box" to show off to his teachers.

The sister claimed after the arrest that she had been suspended from a school for several days. "I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with," she said, without providing evidence or proof.

The episode occurred around 2009, she said. The scare happened in "my first year of attempting middle school in America. I knew English, but the culture was different, the people were different," Eyman said.

"I got suspended and I didn't do anything about it," she said.

"When I heard about Ahmed, I was so mad because it happened to me and I didn?t get to stand up, so I'm making sure he's standing up because it?s not right. So I'm not jealous, I'm kinda like it's like he's standing for me."

Two days after the Sept. 14 incident, President Barack Obama intervened by praising the boy, praising his clock-in-a-box, and inviting him to the White House for an October event. "Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great," Obama tweeted, effectively suggesting that Irving officials were unfair to the Muslim boy.

Since 2001, several thousand Americans have been murdered or killed by Muslims, who justify their actions by citing the jihad commandments in the religion?s Koran book.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/23/ahmeds-sister-admits-school-suspension-alleged-bomb-threat-3-years-earlier/
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 24, 2015, 10:19:38 AM
BINGO!

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Texas parents will sue for teenage inventor's rights

Sept. 24, 2015 at 6:26 AM   

IRVING, Texas, Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The parents of Ahmed Mohamed have hired lawyers and plan to sue over how he was treated for bringing his homemade clock to a Texas school.

Mohamed, the 14-year-old who was handcuffed and taken to an Irving police station after a teacher mistook his clock for a bomb, has become a celebrity both ridiculed and regaled for his inventions. His family said in a statement Wednesday they will "pursue Ahmed's legal rights and regain his science project from the Irving Police Department."

Charges were not filed, but after MacArthur High School in Irving suspended the young inventor for three days, Mohamed's parents withdrew all three of their children from the Irving School District, citing religious persecution. Now the parents have hired two high-powered Dallas attorneys, Thomas Bowers and Reggie London, to represent them.

Mohamed's case became a lightening rod on social media last week with some accusing him of being a terrorist, while others rallied to defend him, including President Barack Obama. Mohamed, who was the toast of the Google Science Fair earlier this week, has been offered internships at tech companies, will visit the White House and also will attend a United Nations summit this weekend.

Though Irving police told CNN the teen's clock is available for him to pick up, the family's lawyers say they will sue because the teen has been "severely traumatized" and no one should be treated the way he was.

Bowers has worked on high-profile cases before, like a sexual assault case against Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones as well as a dispute between billionaire T. Boone Pickens and his son.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/09/23/Ahmed-Mohameds-parents-will-sue-for-teenage-inventor-sons-rights/1481443041002/
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 25, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Look at all these "racist" college kids! (ha ha)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4KOW92fbSM



Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 25, 2015, 02:51:38 PM
If you plug it in, then you see the digital clock face. Until you do, it does not look like a clock.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 25, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
Look at all these "racist" college kids! (ha ha)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4KOW92fbSM

I blame Hollywood.

A movie does not need a realistic bomb , they need a prop that has a countdown display on it to build tension.

   If you ever walk across a field that has been struck by a cluster bomb and see something that looks like a metallic softball do not touch this , that is one of the worst most unpredictable bombs and it doesn't have a timer at all.


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http://srstern.com/2011/an-aside-into-cluster-bombs/
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One reason that this is bad is that they can sit undisturbed for long periods and explode when someone curious enough picks it up to have a look.

But does it look like a stereotypical bomb?


PS it probably won't be blue. and it can be shaped differently too.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 25, 2015, 08:52:54 PM
All Hollywood bombs need a countdown timer. I doubt that real bombs have anything of the sort.

A bomb in a movie needs to look dramatic.

In a real spy confrontation, the bad guy would not spend half an hour telling James Bond how he was going to kill him. He would just kill him, Bang! Like that.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: kimba1 on September 26, 2015, 01:36:25 AM
My one issue about the kids is that it's a clock. I've been taking apart stereos,clocks any piece of junk i can get my hands since i was 6. Meaning that clock is nowhere on par with the science fair kids. He's gonna need to step up his game later on. I read about a girl whose on track to actually cure cancer and she got 2nd place.

I believe kids younger than him are coding now.
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Plane on September 26, 2015, 05:47:20 AM
I wonder what sort of panic this would have caused if this kid had a more complex build?

Something more complex might have been more scary.

Kimba is right , those clock parts are pretty standard .
Title: Re: How to lose the next Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 26, 2015, 09:34:14 PM
The clock is basically what you would get if you just took a digital alarm clock out of its case.