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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on March 18, 2016, 07:53:07 AM
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Every Wal*Mart has unisex bathrooms, where people can change their babies and such. This cartoon is 100% BOGUS.
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A unisex bathroom, like at Walmart, is a bathroom that allows any ONE person in (and their baby if necessary), regardless of their sex. The point Cu4 is making are those bathrooms where any number of people may enter. oy vey ::)
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The point of the cartoon is hatred of transgendered people. That is all there is to it.
Men can easily open the door to the Women's bathroom presently. They don't check ID's
And the same cmplaint would be made against the fictitious phony transgendered guy in the cartoon
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No, the point of the cartoon is the idea of letting men into the women's bathroom, based on some claim they're transgender
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I think the amount of guys trying to get away with that is very small and most times the womens is at fault for not letting the man use it. Pretty rude to make him wait when thry got room.
I've actually seen this in walking charaties women shamelessly takeover mens rooms thinking its thier right.
In fact i recall several situations where men's room have been taken over and women cry foul if a man has to go. We tend to not speak up and complain
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Pretty rude to make him wait when thry got room.
So you think that multi-person public restrooms should all be unisex?
That we should not have separate men/women bathrooms when public bathrooms are multi-person?
Oh now that wouldn't lead to any problems now would it?
If your 7 year old granddaughter is in a stall and there is an empty stall next to
hers then a 50 year old man should be allowed to plop down in the stall next to hers? ::)
I am sure it would work out ok for a hot 17 year old girl being in a stall with her panties
down at her ankles and have 40 year old men in stalls on both sides of her? ::)
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When that room is empty I dont see an issue. But the reverse happened to me I was in mid stream in a multi person bathroom when the it got tookover . I think she expected me to leave right away to let the other women to get in but i just dont do that mid stream.
I believe due to our plumbing it is believed we should always surrender the bathroom and I actually was told go to the bushes
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When that room is empty I dont see an issue.
Ok Kimba...how would that work?
40 year old guy is in public multi person restroom at 11AM
Mother with 8 year old daughter enters same public multi person restroom at 11:02AM
13 year old girl enters same multi person public restroom at 11:03AM
18 year old male enters same multi person public restroom at 11:03. 28
How would one know if opposite sex is already in the public multi person restroom?
Do we hire a traffic directors at huge cost at every multi-person public restroom?
so the tiny tiny tiny fraction of transgender leaning dumbasses dont get offended
Or do we do it the way it has worked for decades having multi-person public restrooms separated by male/female
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When the bathroom is unisex it'll not be much of a problem they would be design for people to not see each others plumbing. Mensroom used to have barriers but for some reason they went away. The transgender person would not even be noticed.
I'm for it since I notice alot more bathroom access for me for the past year.
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I'm sorry...but it's insane to have a bunch of grown-ass men
in the same multi person bathrooms with teenage girls
schools, airports, restaurants, sports venues, office towers, bars
men and women all in the same multi-person bathrooms?
yeah right!
no way jose
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There is nothing stopping men from busti8ng into the ladies room now. Pretending to be transgendered is hardly going to be any sort of excuse. There is no logical point to this stupid cartoon. They do not card people entering restrooms now.
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There is nothing stopping men from busti8ng into the ladies room now.
Ok so next time you are at a major airport....Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Atlanta go try hanging out for 20 minutes in the women's bathroom and see how long it takes before a cop visits to kick your ass out...and if you refuse you will be arrested.
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We merely need a third category of privacy.
MEN
WOMEN
UNDECIDED
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I have no desire to invade women's bathrooms. Transgendered people are few and no threat to anyone. If they were actually men pretending to be transgendered, they would also be arrested, just as now.
The cartoon makes no fucking sense.
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In Rome you can visit the public restrooms that were in operation in the time of the Ceasers.
They were unisex , but extremely so.
There was a row of seats and slots above a gutter that was constantly flowing.
Since those times we have changed our expectation of privacy, why did we do that?
http://ancientpeoples.tumblr.com/post/51068743901/roman-bathroom-habits-the-romans-were-not-shy
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As i witness several times women has busted into mensroom so shouldn't men doing it be at a wait and see situation. Why complain since the reverse got press sovfar
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The reason was, of course, the extreme prudishness of Jews, which was passed on to the Christians. Paul thought women should (1) always wear veils in public and (2) should refrain from saying anything in church. Noah's sons saw Noah NAKED!!! They saw his junk!!! Bad, bad things ensued. The Jews were not the only prides in the Middle East. Arabs were prudes both before and after Islam. Salome was described as a horrible wicked woman, because she DANCED IN FRONT OF MEN! She was probably better clothed than mosy modern dance performers or the girls at Cirque de Soleil.
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So the basic reason for separating the sexes on occasions of necessary nudity is the comfort of prudes?
Ok.
So if a lot of us are prudes , is it better that we be uncomfortable?
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I don't think that banning transgendered people from the bathrooms of their choice is an issue.
The Japanese bathe naked in unisex hot tubs. I don't think that this has caused them any major problems.
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There is a saying in Japan "Nudity is often seen but seldom observed".
I note this saying does not work in the land of Larry Flint.
https://books.google.com/books?id=_Pg1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=Nudity+is+often+seen+but+seldom+observed+,+Japan&source=bl&ots=cg1D3SPyRl&sig=9x0fHoaQYiGGzYjE-xUb4ec8slg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis79nTtdXLAhWD6iYKHWJqABcQ6AEIKjAD#v=onepage&q=Nudity%20is%20often%20seen%20but%20seldom%20observed%20%2C%20Japan&f=false
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I don't think that banning transgendered people from the bathrooms of their choice is an issue.
Yes how 'bout....
if you have a penis you use men's restrooms
if you have a vagina you use women's restrooms
pretty simple to understand uh?
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Since the transgendered are modifying their bodies, why do none of them choose to have both?
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but a toilet can do both. When i want more privacy i use that for either function. Basicly unisex is fairly viable
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if you have a penis you use men's restrooms
if you have a vagina you use women's restrooms
pretty simple to understand uh?
So then, should everyone be obliged to show their equipment at the door?
Strangely, I do not think that is a useful solution.
Transsexuals are by definition people who have redefined themselves surgically
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Well thats where its get confusing and understandedly not spoken about. Transsexual are actually not as define as we think. I'll use caitlyn jenner as an example . She still has all original equipment and likely will keep it. Not all bother to go alll the way . The clothes and the surfaces changes tend to be enough for some.
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Well thats where its get confusing and understandedly not spoken about. Transsexual are actually not as define as we think. I'll use caitlyn jenner as an example . She still has all original equipment and likely will keep it. Not all bother to go alll the way . The clothes and the surfaces changes tend to be enough for some.
Much like this thread, making mounrains out of molehills and not changing anything else.
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I doubt that Caitlyn Jenner and those like her are seen as much of a threat to women.
I consciously avoid looking at other guy's junk in public restrooms, and so does everyone else.
If they had a blue banana there I doubt I would be aware of it.
Women have stalls and not urinals and far less to see.
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Alot of women are offended by caitlyn because she got woman of the year by some magazine . Say it takes a man to be woman of the year really offensive
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They should blame those who gave her the award.
I fail to se why anyone should get upset over this.
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I find find it very funny and bring it up whenever i see a chance.
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Alot of women are offended by caitlyn because she got woman of the year by some magazine .
Say it takes a man to be woman of the year really offensive
Hey Kimba....
Bruce deserves any and all awards for putting up with the Kardashian women for as long as he did.
I predict Kanye will be the next "victim" that wants to escape.
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you guys will hate me for saying this but I kinda think all that constant kardashian exposure kinda push bruce to change so they will minimize thier contact with him/her.
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I can't count the ways he could've minimized such efforts, that would have been far more sane oriented, vs this "transgender" angle
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you guys will hate me for saying this but I kinda think all that constant kardashian exposure
kinda push bruce to change so they will minimize thier contact with him/her.
On some level I agree with you.
yes they drove Bruce crazy
he seems much happier living alone on tbe beach
those women drive those men to the brink
i think...what is it...2 NBA Players have left/bailed/or practically killed themselves over those hoes
the other guy...Scott....they've driven him to alcoholism.
Screw them....i'd ten times rather be single than be with them
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I am no fan of any Kardashian, but sharing a bathroom with Bruce Jenner is not something I would consider any problem.
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I am no fan of any Kardashian, but sharing a bathroom with Bruce Jenner is not something I would consider any problem.
Me neither...Bruce Jenner has a dick....I have a dick...so we should be in same restroom
people with dicks belong in the same bathroom
people with vaginas belong in the same bathroom
it's worked quite well
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Passing special laws is simply pandering. Stuff as shown in your original cartoon is already illegal.
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"Transgender people in Washington state to use restrooms based on identity, not anatomy"
"A Washington state commission enacted rules requiring that bathroom,
shower and locker room use in public accommodations be based on "gender identity" not sex"
"California's Assembly Bill 1266, which requires public schools to allow access to restrooms,
showers and sports teams to boys who identify as girls"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/31/transgenders-in-washington-state-to-use-restrooms-/?page=all
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This is not an important issue, really.
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If its such a non-important issue, why do you keep posting to it, as if it is??
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If it is not important why are corporate bullies pushing this insanity agenda?
North Carolina Passes Anti-Trans Bill, Corporate Bullies Circling
by AUSTIN RUSE
25 Mar 2016930
North Carolina is the latest state to pass legislation making it illegal for men and boys who pose as females to use women's shower rooms and restrooms throughout the state.
The bill, passed with unanimous support from Republicans and signed into law by the Governor, also makes it illegal for municipalities to pass so-called non-discrimination bills aimed at advancing the transsexual agenda.
The bill came in response to such a law passed recently in Charlotte. That effort was led by a homosexual man who was later revealed to be a sex offender required to register yearly. When Breitbart News broke the story nationally, Chad Sevearance stepped down from his lead role at the gay chamber of commerce.
The North Carolina bill passed Wednesday after a day of often emotional testimony. Chloe Jefferson, a junior at a Christian school told lawmakers, ?Girls like me should never be made to shower and undress in front of boys.?
There is a great deal of confusion about transgenderism. Advocates argue that people are "assigned" a gender at birth, an "assignment" that may not comport with their eventual "gender identity" or "gender expression" which could include up more than 58 possibilities, according to Facebook, including something called "gender non-binary" where someone believes he is neither male or female.
According to a statement released this week by the American Academy of Pediatricians, the transgender ideology is actually a form of child abuse. The statement cites studies that show children who are gender confused need psychological help and that nearly all of them straighten out by their mid-twenties.
The Academy points out that giving a child hormone treatment to halt puberty is highly dangerous.
Dr. Paul McHugh, former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University, who closed the transgender surgery center at the venerable institution, says transsexual surgery is dangerous, does not turn men into woman and that those who undergo such surgery end up as unhappy or more unhappy than before their castration.
Both McHugh and the Academy point to the vastly higher rate of suicides among those who have gone through castration surgery, even in such "trans-friendly" countries as Sweden.
Walt Heyer, a business executive who lived for eight years as a woman, after undergoing castration, now regrets what he did. He now lives as a man and runs a website called Sex Change Regret that is full of stories from men and women just like him who were taken in by the notion that they were born with the wrong sex.
Powerful forces are now circling around North Carolina and threatening to do harm to the State's economy. Mark Benihoff, of the cloud computing company SalesForce that has a market capitalization of $48 billion is organizing other CEOs to hurt North Carolina. He has announced he is joining forces with Bank of America that is the country's second largest bank and is headquartered in Charlotte. Benihoff is running a similar take-down in Georgia where a similar bill was passed over the veto of the governor.
The Disney Company and Marvel are threatening Georgia with not filming in the state because of the law. Similar to what they did in Arizona over a religious freedom bill, the NFL is also threatening Georgia with not getting the Super Bowl any time soon.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/25/north-carolina-passes-anti-trans-bill-corporate-bullies-circling/
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The status quo is that everyone is equal.
The agenda belongs to the rednecks that wrote this stupid bill. Their agenda is to get out the gay hater vote.
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Gee...who could have thought this would have happened? (http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/what-gender-neutral-bathrooms-begets-man-arrested-for-filming-women)
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Stuff like this happens all the time. It is not political at all. There have always been perverts and probably always will be perverts. They caught this one. That proves that the system works, and has not one thing to do with politics.
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No, it doesn't (happen all the time). But with the idiocy of getting to "choose" your bathroom, the frequency by which this stuff is going to happen, will go up significantly
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Gee...who could have thought this would have happened? (http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/what-gender-neutral-bathrooms-begets-man-arrested-for-filming-women)
All right , basic question.
Why do women want privacy in a public restroom?
Why do they want more privacy from men than from other women?
Repeat these questions for men.
Why do men want privacy in a public restroom?
Why do they want more privacy from women than from other men?
If the answer is to escape the prurient interest and leers of those that may be sexually attracted, then do we need a separate restroom for each grade of homosexual?
Our culture used to get along with a plain separation of one sex from the other , in occasions that make partial nudity needful.
Now do we give up a lot of plumbing efficiency and make all of our restrooms into single holers, or is the better choice to return to the ancient Roman Society casual attitude to community defecation ?
If we just quit desiring the privacy, we can build pretty good bathrooms for large numbers much more cheaply.
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I can only speak for myself . But in matters of privacy i do prefer a splash partition between urinals. I'm pretty sure alot of us dudes don't want to see each other while peeing and the splash issue require alot more shielding then what we get
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Kimba I agree...you would not believe how much "urine mist and urine splash" in the air when guys piss.
I saw a segment of a show awhile back that showed it and it was terribly messy but mostly unseen by a naked eye.
My niece will not allow the males in her household to stand and piss.
Everyone sits on the toilet to piss or they feel her wrath and are assigned toilet/floor scrub duty.
At first I thought she was crazy, but males standing and pissing into a toilet is actually pretty messy.
Urinals are not much better, sure it's easier on the aim, but still creates the urine mist.
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Our shoes cant possibly be safe from this
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What I don't understand is men who don't comprehend we can miss our target and it's not a aiming issue about a rare equipment problem. Basicly sometimes it shoots wrong.
Only one movie called you.me and irene actually brought that up and it mostly happens after sex.
I would say men who don't have sex would not understand but one of my boss who is a father did not believe men can miss.
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Our shoes cant possibly be safe from this
Oh hell no...they aren't.
But hell I read the most germ covered item in a hotel room is the TV remote...even more than the toilet.
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"Fecal bacteria was found on 81 percent of all surfaces" (hotel rooms)
http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-health-hotel-idUSLNE85I00L20120619
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This make me feel like felix unger and want to purell everything. But as a dude this will pass. A sterile world is not exactly a healthy one. I really do know a family thats quite germaphobic and every single one of them get sick all the time. I do believe our immune system needs to get challenges to function properly. Of cource i dont nean rolling in filth
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When Did It Become Controversial
To Keep Men Out Of The Women's Bathroom?
John Hawkins | Apr 05, 2016
"But I will tell you what: the first man that walks in my daughter's bathroom, he ain't going to have to worry about surgery" -- Lt. Gen. (ret.) William "Jerry" Boykin
I'm sure there are a great many people who are probably shocked to see that quote from William Boykin, but why should they be? Men have had that sort of protective attitude toward their daughters for as long as anyone can remember. That hasn't changed, but what has recently changed is the profoundly unhealthy attitude many people in our society have taken towards transsexualism.
Determining what percentage of the population is actually transgender is very difficult. For example, would Bruce Jenner have counted before he started dressing in women's clothes or not? But, the best estimate puts transgenders at about .3% of the population. However, if you're talking about people who've had hormones and surgery and also dress in the opposite gender's clothes as opposed to simply "feeling like a woman," it?s most certainly lower. On the other hand, roughly 50.4% of Americans really are women. That means there are 168 women for every transgender person in America. Even if we accept that a transgender man dressed like a woman would be embarrassed to go into a men's bathroom, doesn't it make more sense for him to be uncomfortable than all those women? Why do his rights supersede the rights of so many women who just want to use the bathroom in peace without prying male eyes watching them?
Even with the limited experience we have as a society with this ridiculous idea, there have already been some incidents that should prompt the concern of lawmakers who are interested in protecting women in their state.
"A Palmdale, California man wearing women?s clothing was arrested in a Lancaster Macy's store after he was seen in a women's bathroom. The man was allegedly videotaping women in the bathroom".
"Seattle Parks and Recreation is facing a first-of-a-kind challenge to gender bathroom rules. A man undressed in a women's locker room, citing a new state rule that allows people to choose a bathroom based on gender identity. It was a busy time at Evans Pool....The pool was open for lap swim. According to Seattle Parks and Recreation, a man wearing board shorts entered the women's locker room and took off his shirt. Women alerted staff, who told the man to leave, but he said "the law has changed and I have a right to be here."
How would you feel if you watched your 8-year-old daughter walk into a locker room and that man in Seattle walked in right after her? For that matter, what would you think about your college-aged daughter having to get dressed next to Bruce Jenner, who still has his male genitalia and is attracted to women? In a society where you can't go five minutes without hearing someone scream "rape culture" or "it's a war on women," how is it that a threat to the safety, comfort and privacy of women in the bathroom is being treated like it is irrelevant?
It stems from the uniquely unhealthy way we treat this mental disorder and, yes, if you feel like you are the wrong gender, you have a mental disorder. The good news, especially if you're young, is that it's probably not a permanent condition. As the former psychiatrist in chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital Dr. Paul McHugh has said, "80% of those kids will" grow out of it as they get older.
So, what about the other 20% who will feel like they have the "wrong" gender long-term? Mental illness doesn't make you a bad or broken person any more than a broken leg does, but like a broken leg, your disorder needs to be treated. Some people get over a broken leg in a few months. Others may have to deal with the consequences of that misfortune for the rest of their lives. So it is with mental illness. If you have a mental illness, it is possible that you may have to struggle with it for your entire life. That's a sad reality that millions of decent people have to deal with every day.
Unfortunately, when it comes to transsexuals we make two huge mistakes.
First, we encourage them to embrace their mental illness. We don't do this with depression, schizophrenia, paranoia, multiple personality disorder or almost anything else because it's a terrible idea. It's like telling someone who's depressed that he's worthless and everyone else would be better off without him. We would be appalled if anyone did that; yet encouraging someone to mutilate himself in a futile attempt to change genders is an even more horrible thing to do to another human being.
Our second mistake is that instead of having sympathy for people in that position, wishing them well and hoping for their recovery, we insist that everyone else cater to their mental disorder. There's no law that says you have to stop cutting your hedges because your paranoid neighbor is suspicious of it. There's no law that says you have to ask a person with multiple personality disorder whom he?s speaking to so you don't shock him if you call him the wrong name. So, why are we willing to violate the privacy of half the population at one of their most vulnerable points during the day in order to cater to a mental disorder that afflicts a fraction of a percent of Americans?
This is insanity and until this mental health issue is no longer falsely treated like a civil rights issue, legislatures should do their duty and protect their female citizens by passing bathroom bills.
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/04/05/when-did-it-become-controversial-to-keep-men-out-of-the-womens-bathroom-n2143586
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Damn. What stupid bigotry.
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When Did It Become Controversial
To Keep Men Out Of The Women's Bathroom?
John Hawkins | Apr 05, 2016
[http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/04/05/when-did-it-become-controversial-to-keep-men-out-of-the-womens-bathroom-n2143586
I like this.
It speaks to the basic question ,"What is the purpose of the privacy?"
Why must a biological male have privacy from other biological males for purposes of excretion?
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A boy and his father walk a snowy field...
Boy: Come look Daddy! Come and see!
Father: What am I looking at here son?
Boy: Look Daddy I wrote my name in the snow!
Father: Well you certainly did Tim! Such nice cursive!
Boy: Look there Daddy , my friends did the same , there is where Dave Bell, Sam McDoo, Ed Smith and over there is where Al Finn wrote their names in the snow.
Father: Very impressive you and your friends seem to have mastered the trick.
They move on a few steps.
Father: Say son what is this over here? A snow angel?
Boy: Oh no, this is where Odysseus Delacroix Snodgrass Vercingetorix VI passed out.
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There were formerly fewer reasons for people desiring privacy when taking a dump.
In the Middle Ages, it was possible, but quite unlikely that someone might sketch a person taking a dump and post it in the public square.
With the advent of photography and the printing press,it became possible to take a snapshot of someone taking a dump and publishing it in some sort of newspaper.
Now it is quite easy to take a photo of a person taking a dump and posting it on the Internet for all to see.
It could be altered with Photoshop to be even more embarrassing.
Still, it is not common. We can be thankful for that, I think.
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i did state women have been presently taking over mensroom when it suits them with no controversy. but the oppsite is the uproar despite no example that it actually happened.
how is this not fair???
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It's not......they shouldn't.......and I have uproared
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The most common remark is men can just go to the bushes so women should have greater claim to mensroom when need be. I even remember an old episode of designing women even stating this.
As i said before since the unisex bathroom been introduced I've have greater access then ever before. I have no objection in this matter.
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And a unisex bathroom isn't the issue. It's simply 1 bathroom, that anyone can use. No one is objecting to that. It locks for that 1 person, end of story. The issue is the restroom with multiple stalls, where the push is to allow someone to choose a restroom, based on how they feel themselves to be
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But the showcased scenerio is very specific and as i stated the opposite sex version has been done to no fanfare. Only when a male wants to use to restroom then it's a problem . I'll even say it's not even about gender identification.
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I do not recall ever seeing anyone I would call "transgendered" in any public bathroom, or even near one, The fact is that 99.99999999999999% of everyone just goes to the bathroom, does their business, and leaves. Only CU4 seems upset over the possibility of meeting a a Tranny in a bathroom.
That seems to say a lot about him. Why the hangup?
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Not really concern with the hangup but the hypocracy
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What hypocrisy?
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Basically the concern is specifically men going into womens room. I state that i witness several time women going into and taking over mensroom and no outrage on our part.
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I don't think that there have been any major problems with men who self-identify with women and are dressed as women using the women's bathroom. Since women's toilets are normally partitioned into stalls with doors, I doubt that many people have ever noticed.
Why is freaks out CU4 is a mystery.
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Are Women more vulnerable ?
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If it's a matter of womens safety then wouldn't this topic have no effect at all?
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If it's a matter of womens safety then wouldn't this topic have no effect at all?
No.
Generally you want some privacy for excretion.
But privacy is not what you want with a stronger attacker.
Men get attacked too , but I do not consider the problem evenly distributed by sex.
Privacy itself is damaged by the presence of the opposite sex, but this is just squeamishness.
I recall the head nearest my berth on my ship when I was in the Navy.
There were four toilets facing each other in pairs.
Good for a card game , not so much for privacy.
Sailors though are accustomed to a low standard of privacy, and we were all men, so not so much a problem by day three.
Since I have left the Navy , it has been thoroughly integrated with Women and homosexuals, so I can't offer any report on the present need for shipboard privacy.
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A very onesided sqeamishness.
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Many books of quotations include a caustic quote attributed to Winston Churchill (1874-1965) in which he supposedly called British naval tradition nothing but “rum, sodomy, and the lash.” (Sometimes given as “rum, buggery and the lash,” using the old British slang term “buggery” to refer to homosexual sex.)
The earliest source commonly cited for this quip is the diary of former British diplomat, politician and author Harold Nicolson (1886-1968).
The British Navy was said to have traditions as well:
In a diary entry dated August 17, 1950, Nicolson recorded some anecdotes about Churchill.
One involves a version of the “rum, sodomy, and the lash” quote.
But the version Nicolson wrote about that day included “prayers” in the litany. His diary entry says:
…when Winston was at the Admiralty, the Board objected to some suggestion of his on the grounds that it would not be in accord with naval tradition. ‘Naval tradition? Naval tradition?’ said Winston. ‘Monstrous. Nothing but rum, sodomy, prayers and the lash.’
This is why some books of quotations give the alleged Churchill quote as “rum, sodomy, prayers and the lash.
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The British Navy is very different than the USN.
There is a relationship, but the connection is not that they copy us or we copy them.
I was a guest on the HMS London one time , very hospitable , very professional.
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A very onesided sqeamishness.
Does this depend on culture?
Or are Women genuinely different than men and have a different need for privacy than men do?
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Of course men and women see exposure to the opposite sex differently.
Compare men's and women's magazines to see how.
Compare ads for men's and women's products and see how.
There is no real problem of transsexual former men abusing women in public bathrooms.
This is a stupid debate.
I am thinking that at some time, a woman saw CU4's willie and commented on its insufficiency, and did not allow him to explain "shrinkage" a al the famous Seinfeld episode.
And now the poor dude is obssessed.
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This begs to question does this mean women's room has no partitions between toilets? Unlike mensroom
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I do not have extensive experience at observing women's bathrooms, but I did do some janitorial work in a factory and in a college and I can report that I have never seen a women's room in which the toilets were not both partitioned and had doors the woman could shut.
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If women really do not mind a male audience , then why have two bathrooms?
The truly old fashioned way does not assume a complete right to privacy, it is just a luxury we have gotten used to.
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I do not think that the presence of a transsexual man dressed as a woman in an enclosed toilet stall would even be apparent to most women.
Neither men nor women socialize with strangers in lavatories. I imagine that transsexuals would keep to themselves, jus6t like everyone else.
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I do not think that the presence of a transsexual man dressed as a woman in an enclosed toilet stall would even be apparent to most women.
Neither men nor women socialize with strangers in lavatories. I imagine that transsexuals would keep to themselves, jus6t like everyone else.
You mean that the Charlotte NC rule was entirely moot in the first place?
If there is no need to specially permit transsexuals to enter opposite sex restrooms , why did Charlotte NC make a rule to permit this?
Springsteen is going to feel pretty silly for canceling his NC concert when this gets explained to him.
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I do not have a clue as to what was on the minds of the fools in Charlotte.
Bruce Springsteen can take care of himself.
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I do not have a clue as to what was on the minds of the fools in Charlotte.
Bruce Springsteen can take care of himself.
You are not prepared to argue this argument.
What happened first is the city of Charlotte created a rule that persons may without any penalty use the restroom of the sex they identify with , regardless of the biological facts of their bodies.
Why do you suppose the LGBT community of Charlotte asked for this rule?
The NC statehouse and governor re-acted by withdrawing the civic authority of any town to make such a rule.
Which by your quite perceptive statement seems we agree.
Was never enforceable in either direction.
I do not think that the presence of a transsexual man dressed as a woman in an enclosed toilet stall would even be apparent to most women.
Neither men nor women socialize with strangers in lavatories. I imagine that transsexuals would keep to themselves, jus6t like everyone else.
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The trasgender issue this point to get the law through but it's really to allow refusal of businesses for religious reason and that has very big leeway.
As long its not race religion can be used in refusal bases of sexuality other religions certain types of food and medical
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It is just sully to claim, "you cannot use my restroom unless you prove your gender, because I think God told me to do this."
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It is just sully to claim, "you cannot use my restroom unless you prove your gender, because I think God told me to do this."
You bring God into everything.
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Bless your heart.
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You are the one doing this, not me.
Transgendered males causing problems in women's toilets is NOT a problem. This whole bag o crap was devised to get out the fundie voters.
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Why did the LBGT community ask for something that invites "fundie" attention?
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You mean to be respected and allowed to behave and be treated as everyone else?
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Wow, it would be nice if that was all they wanted.
Makes a demand to access opposite restrooms seem silly doesn't it?
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Not at all.
Not to me.
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There aren't even 10,000 transsexuals in the entire country.
There is no problem of transsexual males taking over women's lavatories.
The goal of these stupid laws is to get out the fundie vote.
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There's a problem with just ONE tweaked MALE using a FEMALE's bathroom
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Who is that?
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Not at all.
Not to me.
And it isn't silly because ...
A desire for privacy is silly?
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Who is that?
Any anatomical guy, who thinks they're a girl
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First there are laws against sexual display and indecency already.
Second, no one is going to require an ID to enter a public bathroom.
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No one is suggesting ID to enter a bathroom....simply that guys go into the guys restroom, and girls go into the girls. Doesn't get much simpler than that
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Then passing this stupid law would have no effect.
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Then passing this stupid law would have no effect.
So why should rock stars and corporations care?
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Exactly
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This would be because this law is perceived to ba a haters' law and corporations do not want to be blacklisted or boycotted. People that buy music are intolerant of intolerance.
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That must be like being a Goose allergic to down.
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This would be because this law is perceived to ba a haters' law and corporations do not want to be blacklisted or boycotted. People that buy music are intolerant of intolerance.
It's only perceived that way by those who can't tolerate anything that goes against their predominant pathological political correctness. To the rational minded its simply that guys are to go into the guys room, and girls are to go into the girls room.....period. The notion we actually need a law to make that clear is the real story
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oh boy!
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That must be like being a Goose allergic to down.
So...with China on the verge of outlawing gay marriage, is the Obama administration about to stop all trade with China? Are our entertainment performers cancelling all their pending shows in China?
Or is it just easier to try and bully a small state?
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I don't think the US will bully anyone over this. Eventually, gay marriage will be legal everywhere
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Oh, you think China will quake in its boots, and acquiesce to gay marriage. if the Boss doesn't play another version of Born in the USA, in Beijing? Or more so, which entertainers are lining up to boycott playing in China, for that matter?
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China being the government it has, Gay Marriage could become mandated if it solved a problem.
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The Chinese are pragmatic. They are not Christians, and there are not the religious objections to gays that exist in the West. The Chinese are acting according to traditions. But traditions change in China and can change abruptly, as at the time of the Cultural Revolution and after Mao's death.
Bruce Springsteen has no effect on China, just as Chinese Opera has no effect in the US.
Again, over a gradual andf probably long process, I think gays and gay marriage will be accepted worldwide. It might take centuries.
But,happen it will.
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The Chinese are pragmatic. They are not Christians, and there are not the religious objections to gays that exist in the West. The Chinese are acting according to traditions.
What the hell is Christianity if not based on tradition?? So, its ok for China to pass laws against gay marriage, because it "goes against their tradition" (which incidentally, is religious based), but we're going to tar and feather states like North Carolina
Bruce Springsteen has no effect on China, just as Chinese Opera has no effect in the US.
China imports have a direct effect on our economy, just as entertainers and Hollywood have on the economy of a small state like NC. But there's no need to boycott anything Chinese, you're saying? Too big to fail?
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Tradition is not the same as religion.
Tradition is doing what the grandparents did because that is the way they have always done it. Like lighting candles.
Religion is based on direction from a spirit world.
The Gods did not tell the Chinese to oppress gays, or to prohibit them from marriage.
Gay couples do not fit into small village life because they do not reproduce.
In the cities, gays have a clear place in a variety of occupations.
I would not expect the US to boycott China for any reason. Too much money to be made.
The North Carolina governor and legislature passed this idiotic and unenforceable law just to get the support of the fundies, of whicvh NC has many.
I could declare that I will boycott NC, which is sort pf true, because I do not expect to go there this tyear, but then, I have never visited NC, I have only passed through
The last time was when I drove a U Haul from MD to FL. I-95 at that time was not finished around some hick town called Lumberton, so we had to get off the highway and drive through the town. Right there at the compulsory exit was a huge billboard with the legend UNITED KLANS OF NORTH CAROLINA WELCOME YOU TO LUMBERTON! It had three hooded figures and a burning cross illustrated over this welcome.
The sons and grandsons of the yokels who put up that sign elected Jesse Helmns to the Senate and surely will turn out because their fellow yokels in the Legislature -Republican'ts all-- passed this idiotic law.
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Tradition is not the same as religion.
Religion IS BASED ON Tradition. It's just entertaining to see how China gets a pass in its anti-gay marriage legislation, applied thru-out its country, but NC gets condemned. Like I said, its easier to bully a small state than a country we have some much riding on financially
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Religion may be based on tradition, but it involves being punished by an all-seeing, all knowing vindictive deity. In China such a deity is not thought to exist.
I do not favor boycotting China for being anti-gay. That would be ineffective and dumb.
Nonetheless, I am certain that eventually gay marriage will be accepted nearly everywhere.
Acceptance of gays is an urban thing. The more urban and less rural a society is, the more gays are accepted.
I have no personal attachment to gay rights. I can simply identify trends in what is happening.
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Religion may be based on tradition, ....
...despite you claiming it didn't. Thank you for correcting your error
I do not favor boycotting China for being anti-gay. That would be ineffective and dumb.
Again, making my point....so much easier to bully a small state, despite China being the far more egregious in its anti-gay legislation.
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Another example of Urban life being bad for people.
I have been thinking that it is strange that some people believe in evolution and also believe that homosexuality is harmless.
In evolutionary terms , seems it would qualify as an unfit flaw.
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Homosexuality is bad only in the sense that the homosexual as less likely to pass on his genes to the future generations, (though not completely so, as many gay people have children even though they do not enjoy heterosexual sex much), but not bad for the community, as gay people clearly serve a purpose in the urban communities in which they live.
We evolved to be tree and cave dwellers and then hunter-gatherers. Life on farms is definitely not the only thing humans can evolve to be. We humans are obviously the most sophisticated inhabitants of this planet, and urban life clearly helps us reach a higher level. I don't think that the goal of the human race is to consist of a scattered numbers of Amish-like farm communities.
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City life includes stresses that lead to increased and even exaggerated criminality. Citys also divorce people from reality as farm or nomadic life wed one to nature instead.
Homosexuality is bad only in the sense that the homosexual as less likely to pass on his genes to the future generations,....
In terms of Evolution , what is worse? Apoptosis?
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Yeah, let's all move back to the country and raise chickens. You go first, CU4.
I lived on a Maryland Tobacco farm for a year while teaching in Maryland. It was fun driving to work in the snow, dodging Amish buggies.
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Evolution doesn't beget we live in urban jungles.....nor is it the normalization of abhorent behavior. The "evolution" of this country is one of freedom....freedom to chose to live where we want, while not being a subservent to those who chose to act and live elsewhere
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We are not free to live where we want, unless we are independently wealthy. The 98% that are not must live where we can find work.
Most people are in the cities, and therefore most work is in the cities.
Economics, not evolution tells us where we must live. Evolution helps us adapt rather slowly, to new surroundings. Andeans are barrel-chestedm Africans do not sunburn painfully. That sort of thing.
Not sure what "urban jungle" means. Surrounded by darkies? Indians? Mexicans?
No one on my block but me was born in the US. But I do not consider my 75 X125 ft lot and small detached house to be part if an "urban jungle".
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We are not free to live where we want
Not talking "universal"...like I want to live in the White House. The point is if we want to live in a urban jungle, we can. If we want to live in an rural area, we can. Nothing prevetns that outside of specific locations. So no, you don't have to be independing wealthy. You have the freedom in this country to do what you want where you want. There's always compromise involved...as in if you want to live ina spcific place, you may have to work to earn extra money. If you are more interested in a specifc job, then one will have to be more compromising on where they want to live.
People leave the cities with barely 5 dollars to their name, to try and find a better life for themselves and/or family. No one is condemned to live in an urban jungle
Not sure what "urban jungle" means. Surrounded by darkies? Indians? Mexicans?
You're such an ass. Leave it to you to inject race into an issue that had nothing to do with race. Urban jungle is specific to the density of a population, within a city. The greater the density REGARDLESS OF RACE, the greater an urban jungle it becomes. NYCity, Detroit, Los Angeles are all Urban Jungles
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So a building with over 500 people living in it on Park Avenue is an "Urban Jungle" to you?
You are free to leave with barely $5 and seek your fortune. But you will get hungry in many placwes and not even a Mckey D's to sell you a burger. You will have to survive by eating roots and grubs.
Some recipes might be helpful.
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Did I say building?? I think not. I said CITY. Point remains unrefuted however, no one is condemned to stay in one
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Okay, twenty buildings with 10000 people in them.
That sounds like my ex's place at Century Village. It does not look like an Urban jungle.
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Still stuck on buildings are you. Let me know when you expect to get back to the issue of cities, since that's the urban jungle I keep referring to
Here's a hint.....you don't get to make up how I define terms
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Yeah, let's all move back to the country and raise chickens. You go first, CU4.
Not sure why you addressed this comment towards me...
i love the country
i am now spending almost every weekend out in the country
but I also like the big city
i think i'd go nuts out in the country full time
even if ya love ice cream sundaes...ya might not want one every day...ya know?
so i strike a balance....
work, concerts, sporting events, shopping, church, family in the big city
woodpeckers, ATV's, fishing poles, bonfires, walks in the woods in the country
variety is the spice of life XO!
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sirs likes the ideas of urban jungles without buildings. For reasons known only to him, he does not like the idea of urban jungles with buildings.
I am okay the the country, but it would be a long commute to buy groceries.
In my neighborhood, there are small burrowing owls that hoot all day. I have never seen one.
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So a building with over 500 people living in it on Park Avenue is an "Urban Jungle" to you?
I lived on a thirty million dollar ship for a long time , there were thirty of us racked in the same berth and ours was not the big one.
Officers lived mostly two to a stateroom, the most senior officers had space exclusively their own , but even the Captains cabin would be a pretty small apartment in a city.
This was like living in a 25000 horsepower vehicle , constantly hissing and vibrating.
Some things about the Navy I just don't miss. Crowding for certain.
Yes , I would not like an opulent but crowded habitat either.
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sirs likes the ideas of urban jungles without buildings.
and xo continues to make up nonsense that sirs never said, or even implied......for reasons known only to him. Go figure
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How can you talk about cities and not talk about buildings?
Buildings are essential to any city.
Urban jungles must involve buildings.
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Of course they include buildings, ::) but that's just 1 component, that you wanted to fixate on. An urban jungle is a laundry list of components that make up a city's urban jungles, which includes buildings. It also include dense population, streets, alleys, traffic, noise, pollution, higher than the average crime rates & unemployment, just to name some other components.
But you had some fixation on buidlings, as if that's all that was needed to make some urban jungle. As I said, only reasons known to you
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It is nice to think on alternatives.
Atlanta is built in the forest , such that the trees are thick among the buildings.
Perhaps someday a genetically modified tree will serve as a building.
Seacrete is already a way to grow giant shells in the ocean, we could live in a city of floating seashells.
Or perhaps genetically modified people will be more weather hardened and live in the open sans shelter.
Right now cities seem to be a need, a place to park all the unproductive people.
Who suffer in the surety that they are superfluous.
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All cities are certainly not urban jungles. Nor are cities bad places to live. There have been no advanced civilizations that did not include cities. Cities are where culture has taken place. I suppose with the Internet and printers and such, cultural interchanges are now possible without face to face contact, but cities will be where it is happening for a very long time. Every year the o=planet it=s becoming more urban.
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Nor did I ever claim "all" cities were urban jungles, professor deflection. I already gave you an example of some that are. Try to pay attention
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Only some parts of those cities are in any way "urban jungles"
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No, Los Angeles is an urban jungle...Detroit is an urban jungle. ... NY city is an urban jungle
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cities will be where it is happening for a very long time.
XO another big plus to cities is medical facilities
i have friends that live in remote areas
and I would not want to be that far from elite medical care
of course SIRS being a medical professional knows this!
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Indeed
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Cities are where culture has taken place.
This is entirely a prejudice on your part.
Rural people are loaded with culture , and sprout poets as often per capata as any city.
Cities demand support from the countryside , and what do they provide in return?
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Cities provide a market for agricultural products. cities provide diversity of thought, cities provide organization and education.
^This country is at least 80% urban by any definition. If rural life was so great, why did it lose out?
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It hasn't lost out....that's the point. In the movie Hunger Games, the Capital couldn't survive without all its rural out-lyers, and only then at gunpoint. Just because cities are more densely populated doesn't make them "the winners", it simply makes them more populated. And in many of those cases, those cities becomes precisely the urban jungle, so many wish they could escape from
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Hunger Games is fictional. It is a fantasy place where mutant jaybirds spy on the people.
If you want to continue with the allegation that Beverly Hills, Grosse Point and all of LA and Detroit are urban jungles, go ahead.
But it is nonsense.
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I know Hunger Games is fictional.....the point was that cities rarely function on their own. There is some need from outlying districts, be it food, water, logistics, whatever. And I never said Beverly Hills was an urban jungle. I clearly said Los Angeles was. Never said Gross Point was an urban jungle. I clearly said Detroit was. Is reading that difficult for you??
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Meanwhile, as you quibble about how only SOME of Los Angeles is not an "urban ghetto", innocent little girls in 49 states are being endangered by the phony transsexual child abusers in public lavatories unprotected by the brave and bold NC state government.
I bet some of these abusers are from URBAN GHETTOS and have traveled to wealthy burbs so as to violate a classier type of innocent little girl.
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Dr Deflection, strikes again. Bravo
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Cities provide a market for agricultural products. cities provide diversity of thought, cities provide organization and education.
^This country is at least 80% urban by any definition. If rural life was so great, why did it lose out?
Hong Kong is a well run city.
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And it is huge.
Mexico city, has a poor infrastructure , geologic problems and a ridiculous government.
But because of the habits of the people there, the crime rates stay low , compared with other North American cities.
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I could make a living there, but I would yearn for more air.
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Cities provide a market for agricultural products. cities provide diversity of thought, cities provide organization and education.
^This country is at least 80% urban by any definition. If rural life was so great, why did it lose out?
Farmers don't require markets, markets require farmers.
Farmers can get by pretty easily if they are left alone most of the time.
In Communist countries the rural culture was wiped out on purpose with collectivization , killing off the Kulaks engendering artificial famine and etcetera.
In Capitalist countries they instituted a death tax to make farming more an agribusiness proposition because a corporate person never pays a death tax, farmer persons do. So it is also in effect a measure for collectivitisation .
And either way the cities promise more than they can deliver and the farmers children pile up in the slums that ring most of the large cities on the planet.
Also there are periodic natural calamitys like floods and droughts, which interrupt the payments of mortgages.
Our Nation was founded on the supportive land and on a land use that was almost too productive, the availability of productive land staved off a great European famine .
Yet now we are converting to a feudal model in which hired farmers work for owners who live in the city.
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I have spoken with a lot of ex campesinos who have moved to cities like Mexico City, Guadalajara, Juarez and Barahona and Santo Domingo. The consensus it that life is all around better in the cities. Of course, none of them owned lands, except for very small plots.
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Anecdotal......When I lived in a town of no more than 900 population, and the capital of the county had a mere 5000, I spoke to dozens upon dozens of folks who couldn't wait to move out of their urban sprawls, to get to where I came across their paths, citing how life was far superior than that of the city
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I can only speak for cities in china but thier is actually very little problem of children of farmers i the city. The laws are very strict that parent can work in the city but are forbidden to bring children into the city. So thier are probly tens if not hundred of million children to live by themselves in china to support themselves. The parents can only visit eveyy 4,5 months. Its starting to be a problem and I think last month the government is thinking of doing something about it.
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Mother Earth News sells well in the city.
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The laws are very strict that parent can work in the city but are forbidden to bring children into the city.
Wow, that is pretty wild.
What problem does this solve?
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The usual couple has only one or two children, and they are generally raised by their grandparents or uncles and aunts. This is sure to cause many changes in the Chinese culture.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-behind_children_in_China
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I think this will cause some serious societally gaps and the government will have serious things to deal with in less than ten years from now
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I agree with you.
China's rulers think that children raised out in the backlands by grandparents than overpopulation in the cities. It is more efficient and productive for the economy and more stable for the city governments. But it will have consequences,
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http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/123354222-story
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The Unisex bathroom scare is nothing new.
They used it when they were trying to defeat the Equal Rights Amendment.
They said that women with Equal Rights would demand to use the Little Boys' Room.
Then they would check out your junk and report back.
"Hey, I saw The Donald's junk and is is just like they said: teensy!"
Soon every woman in American would know,
There is a long Biblical tradition about this.
Noah got drunk and one of his sons saw his pecker and was ruined for life.
The other two sons covered the old fool up with their eyes averted...or so they said.
Jesus does not want people looking at one anothers' peckers.
He came to FULFILL the laws not to change them.
After thew Crucifixion, the Two Marys came to dress Jesus' corpse...apparently they did not think He would rise from the dead.
They might have seen his junk if not for the Resurrection.
Republicans do not want women to have equal rights.
They do not want anyone staring at anyone else's junk.
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Ignoring for the moment the idiocy that the GOP doesn't want women to have equal rights, again, the point on this issue continues to be beyond simple.....men should use the men's room, women should use the women's room.....of story. Not how you feel, but how you were born anatomically. Nothing about junk, or civil rights, or the crucifixion. You're born a guy, you use the men's room. You're born a girl, you use the ladies room.....period
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The Republicans have never wanted women to have equal rights. If they had, they would have supported the ERA, ans=d would support a bill in Congress that would require equal pay. But they didn't, and they don't. They do not tell men what they can do with their bodies, but they are all over women, forcing them to have waiting periods and tests before abortions, limiting the places they can have abortions. They are the ANTI EQUALITY PARTY.
All over 49 states of the Union, transvestite men who thin=inl of themselves as women are invading the ladies' rooms all over thew country and doing it with impunity, and YOU sirs, are LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!!!
Your only choice is clear: go to the most frequented public women's room you know of, and stand at the door and check those birth certificates.
They are very sneaky, these trannies, so you may have to verify their gender with a little groping from time to time.
I'd buy a mannequin ans a dildo and get some practice first, but that's just me.
If you are unwilling to do this, then STFU.
It is just that simple.
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Again, ignoring the nonsense about what the GOP "wants" (with the ongoing absense of anything remotely validating the asanine claim), if you're born a man, you use the men's room....if you're born a woman, you use the women's room.....end of story. Shouldn't require a law for something so transparently simple to grasp
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Then the governor and legislature of0 NC are total assholes to pass this bill, because it has cost the state millions, And has made no woman safer.
Why did they pass it? Because these fools need to get out the fundie yokel vote to get reelected. It is simple as that.
Men who think of themselves as women and dress as women are not a threat to women in public restrooms or anywhere else.
Rape is not about sex or horniness, but violence and domination. Men who want to rape and dominate women are not at all likely to put on a dress and make up to get into the women's room.
This law is worse than useless, because it will stop no rapists and cannot be enforced any more readily that laws against rape assault and battery that are already on the books, and it cost the state a pile of money already. Many of the people who are needed to put on a concert are gay. If you are a rock star and your lights guy or the drummer or sax player in your band says "I'm not going there", then you have to hire someone else. And often a musician and his group ate very tightly bonded, like a family.,
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Oh, I absolutely agree...it shouldn't take a law to make it a point that men are to use the men's room, and women are to use the women's room. The fact that NC has had to go that extra step isn't a reflection of the state, but that of how viral political correctness is becoming. Men who feel they are a woman and like to dress in women's clothes....IS STILL A MAN, and IS TO USE THE MEN'S ROOM......end of story
But like I said, I love how you're actually making the arguement of how uesless more gun laws would be in trying to stop muderers, rapists, and thugs from using guns. I do thank you for that concession
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Why did they pass it? Because these fools.........
Back up one, the fools that started the round were the friends of LGBT in Charlotte that made the law that the State countermanded.
If it is unimportant ,what was their idea?
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Well assessed
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The fact remains that the idiot legislature and the yokel governor lost the state millions.
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Huh?
It is only money, integrity is better than money.
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All the while, xo apparently can't answer Plane's question which facilitated the legislation to begin with. Minus that effort, there would have been no need to spend anything in reminding everyone that men are to use the men's room, and women are to use the women's room
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Or what makes it important for a Transgendered guy to have privacy among the women?
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Ask one. I donlt know any, or at least so far as I know.
^This has ZERO to do with anything called "integrity".
It is trolling for the hicktown yokel vote. The Cletusus in Klanville cannot abide the smart people in the Research Triangle trying to pull the state out of poverty and ignorance.
They cannot enforce a "show your birth certificate before you pee at the Wall*Mart" law it is ignorance to pass unenforceable laws.
And it has cost then a ton of money.
Integrity! Bah! Go burn a cross,
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Target Stores Open Women's Bathrooms, Changing Rooms to Men
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by WARNER TODD HUSTON
20 Apr 2016
The Target department store chain has jumped into the transgender bathroom debate by declaring that men who claim to be women may use whatever bathroom or changing room they choose.
"Inclusivity is a core belief at Target," a new company statement reads. "It's something we celebrate. We stand for equality and equity, and strive to make our guests and team members feel accepted, respected and welcomed in our stores and workplaces every day."
The retailer added, "We welcome transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."
"Everyone deserves to feel like they belong," the statement concluded. "You?ll always be accepted, respected and welcomed at Target."
Target spokeswoman Molly Snyder added that the policy statement is a public confirmation of its longstanding policy. "It's just us being very overt in stating it," she said.
Customers and potential customers almost immediately spoke out against Target's decision to ignore the biological difference between men and women.
"Why would you choose to allow men in the women's restroom when every single store has a single family restroom that can easily accommodate your Transgender customers," Sandy Bell Small wrote on Facebook. "Way to go Target for choosing to protect the .03% of the ADULT transgender population over your women, children, mothers, grandchildren, teenager population. I'm sure you will say you I longer miss us but I'm sure the $$$'s spent weekly will be felt somewhere."
A recent study of the 2010 census showed that only 89,667 adults had changed their names from one sex to another. That's roughly 1 in 2,500 adults. Advocates of greater status for people who live like people of the opposite sex, however, say one in every 400 American adults are transgender.
Some commenters told Target they would never shop at the retailer again. Others said they feared for the safety of their loved ones. Liz Ammons, for instance, reminded Target that its policy is not made without dangerous consequences by posting the story of a pervert who was arrested after harassing girls in a Walmart bathroom.
"Dear Target, I am not one to treat others cruel," Laura Prater wrote on the Target Facebook page, adding:
However in your desire to be inclusive, you have failed to be inclusive to women and children. If anything change all your bathrooms and changing rooms to single stall. Perhaps you missed the recent news story in Washington State where a man kept filming women. Perhaps you have missed the other news stories where folks have used this as a way to bring harm? You need to seriously reconsider this decision. You are not above the laws to protect ALL your guests, not just the LGBT community.
On April 19, a three-judge federal court announced that schools cannot stop girls who claim to be boys from using boys' bathrooms. The decision, however, will make it impossible for schools to have bathrooms just for boys or just for girls. It will also be impossible for schools to comply with federal privacy laws, said a statement from the one judge who opposed the decision.
Twitter also erupted with complaints about the policy announcement.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/20/target-stores-open-womens-bathrooms-changing-rooms-to-men/
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Good the Target!
It is pretty hard to spot a transvestite transsexual anyway. You cannot turn your employees into sex policemen.
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Ask one. I donlt know any, or at least so far as I know.
^This has ZERO to do with anything called "integrity".
It has everything to do with integrity, and more so, common decency. Seriously, its a staggering notion the idea that some folks can't grasp the concept of men using the men's room, and women using the women's room.
And to top it off, xo can't seem to answer Plan'e question, that facilitates the NC law to begin with. Bravo
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The answer is to just to let the people of Charlotte make their own damned laws. Men who think of themselves as women who wear women's clothes are very few, and uninterested in molesting little girls or anyone else. They will enter a stall, take a piss or a dumb, wash their hands and walk out just like everyone else.
The governor is a redneck jerk.
The members of the legislature who wrote and passed this thing are also ignorant and prejudiced jerks.
They have lost the state a lot of money for no reason.
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The answer is to just to let the people of Charlotte make their own damned laws.
we may agree on something
let people make their own damn laws
let Texas make their own damn laws
let Californian make their own F-ing perverted laws
i really don't give a shit what Cali does or anywhere else
so i agree let like minded people wherever they are make their own damned laws!
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The answer is to just to let the people of Charlotte make their own damned laws. Men who think of themselves as women who wear women's clothes are very few, and uninterested in molesting little girls or anyone else. They will enter a stall, take a piss or a dumb, wash their hands and walk out just like everyone else.
The governor is a redneck jerk.
The members of the legislature who wrote and passed this thing are also ignorant and prejudiced jerks.
They have lost the state a lot of money for no reason.
I guarantee Target has offended more customers than NC has , should stockholders put up with this major loss for minor reason?
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Watch and see how the stock responds to this.
Most people know that women are not threatened by Bruce Jenner in public bathrooms.
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http://www.barchart.com/quotes/stocks/TGT
Down just a little today.
So Target does not need the customers that want privacy?
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In any women's bathroom, everyone has privacy except when washing hands.
If a transsexual dressed as a woman were washing his/ her hands, it would probably not be noticed.
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In any women's bathroom, everyone has privacy except when washing hands.
How do you know?
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If a transsexual dressed as a woman were washing his/ her hands, it would probably not be noticed.
True, so there was no point in the LGBT of Charlotte to pick a fight was there?
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The answer is to just to let the people of Charlotte make their own damned laws.
Close....this is a state issue. Let the state make its own damned laws. Still fascinating to think we now need a law to indicate men are to use the men's room and women are to use the women's room. One would think that was as common sense as cheese on a cheeseburger. Apparently not any longer
And again, as Plane made so plainly apparent, if it weren't for the LGBT efforts to throw common sense out the window, in the 1st place, NC wouldn't have had to spend a cent
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The answer is to just to let the people of Charlotte make their own damned laws.
Close....this is a state issue. Let the state make its own damned laws. Still fascinating to think we now need a law to indicate men are to use the men's room and women are to use the women's room. One would think that was as common sense as cheese on a cheeseburger. Apparently not any longer
And again, as Plane made so plainly apparent, if it weren't for the LGBT efforts to throw common sense out the window, in the 1st place, NC wouldn't have had to spend a cent
Yes, but this is not the only way.
Let Target make the rule for Target , and Pops burger stand make the rule for pops burger stand.
Why does this question deserve the Federal treatment?
Or even the city wide treatment?
Anywhere that a customer is made uncomfortable , he returns seldom, this is a major power not surpassed by any Presidential or congressional edict that is never enforced.
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I fail to see why this should be a state issue.
It is an utterly unenforceable law, anyway, It is a very dumb idea, and the only reason for it is to get out the bigoted yokel vote.
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Whose vote were the yokels that run Charlotte NC trying to get, when they made the offensive and unenforceable rule that restrooms be transgender friendly?
It may be dumb , but they had something in mind.
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They were obviously trying to mAke Charlotte more convention friendly. It is incorrect to assume that they were after anyone's votes.
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I fail to see why this should be a state issue.
Why not? Why would it solely be a Charlotte issue? Issues not referenced as a function of the Federal Government, are by direct design a state issue
It is an utterly unenforceable law, anyway
Many laws are...yet they get passed anyways. Did you know Alabama has a law against fake mustaches? In Florida its actually illegal to cohabitate with anyone else but your spouse
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In any women's bathroom, everyone has privacy except when washing hands.
How do you know?
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Because in any public women's lavatory, there are stalls with doors on the toilets, That makes them private.
The only things anyone can do in public is wash and dry their hands.
There have been no incidents of transsexuals assaulting women in public lavatories. This law could not stop it if this was a problem.
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In any women's bathroom, everyone has privacy except when washing hands.
How do you know?
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Because in any public women's lavatory, there are stalls with doors on the toilets, That makes them private.
The only things anyone can do in public is wash and dry their hands.
There have been no incidents of transsexuals assaulting women in public lavatories. This law could not stop it if this was a problem.
I have fixed this problem.
I went into a women's bathroom and I left the seat up.
This will not be tolerated long.
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Ha Ha...Plane!
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/pa-man-accused-peeping-restroom-hit-child-porn-charges/
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-500000-boycott-target-over-transgender-bathroom-policy/ar-BBseMUK?li=BBnb7Kz
Hmmmm... I only shop at Target once in a while , that I am not going there soon means little.
But the .03% that is directly affected, they should shop nowhere else.
https://corporate.target.com/press/corporate
Target has
• 1,793 stores in the United States
• 38 distribution centers in the United States
• 341,000 team members worldwide
• online business at target.com
• global locations in India
our guests
• Median age of 40
• Median household income of approx. $64K
• Approximately 43% have children at home
• About 57% have completed college
Target has a blog of its own, but this is not discussed there.
https://corporate.target.com/#?lnk=fnav_t_spc_1_7
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The lunacy of the Left has brought us to this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgL0c4B3gr8
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On Sunday we went to dinner. My 7yo daughter needed to use the restroom, the restroom was only 20ft away but out of view. In light of businesses and states believing that someone's "right" to use which ever bathroom they want is more important than those that use the bathroom that God intended them too, I decided I needed to stand just outside the door. No, I'm not the pecker checker, I'm not judging transgenders, I'm here to protect her from those that will take advantage of the situation, much like the CA government believes does with legal gun owners. I'm not a bigot, I'm not a hater, I'm a dad. I don't care if you want to tuck it back and call yourself Caitlyn. Tuck away more power to you, but for those disgusting people that will take advantage of these laws... Dads like me are on watch. Regardless of laws or store policy I refuse to allow a man to go into a restroom with my wife or daughters simply because he feels like it.
Gary Stein - Father
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So that group of rough looking guys loitering outside the ladies room , that is a gang of Dads?
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It is all right with me if this dude hangs out at the bathroom door.
He might creep some women out, though.
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It is all right with me if this dude hangs out at the bathroom door.
He might creep some women out, though.
Would he creep them out a little less if he went on in?
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Him entering the women's bathroom would sort of be like what CU4 fears most.
He looks pretty creepy in that photo.
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Many bladders will be burst in this search for justice.