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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on March 30, 2016, 06:08:35 PM
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...or perhaps better titled, Student Snowflakes. As it would appear that one of the commonalities that Sanders (& Clinton) are generating, is a growing chorus of malcontent students, who are so fragile, that the slightest phrase can apparently cause them considerable mental hardship. The erection of so called "safe zones". The notion that simply posting #trump 2016 is akin to violence. I heard a story today where a black student got all upset after seeing some white guy in dreadlocks, and how dare he try to "co-opt her culture". Good God :o
This is a generation of ignorant millineals, who have no fricken clue about our Constutition, and in particular the 1st amendment. The freedom of speech includes speech that could possibly make your blood boil. Those that support the Constitution like myself, would defend someone's right to say something I would otherwise totally abhor. THAT's what seperates us from so many other countries on this globe. THATs what seperates us from a colonial England, a communist Russia, or a Fascist Germany
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That surely applies to you, sirs.
Some fools have sure manipulated you good. Like The Great Divine Chiroproctorapologist in the Sky Himself.
Some students are easily manipulated, others are not. So what else is new. It isn't like your pissing and moaning about them here will change one damned thing,
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Professor Deflection strikes again. ::) Please let us know when you plan on joining the adults' table to this thread
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I am at the Adult's table, junior.
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No, you're not. Age has nothing to do with it. Implying I post things to "change" how these ignorant millennials are behaving is a child like deflection. This is a debate forum. You're the one who embraces the notion that is a pissing & moaning forum, otherwise you would have addressed the points being raised, vs your standard deflection tactic
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SIRS....the intolerance of the Left is becoming more and more obvious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shRtVAPjnKs
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Oh, it's downright blatant now >:(
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that means when I eventually go back to college I`ll be scaring the kids with my hard questions. more fun for me. might be true I notice in my last job I exceeded all my coworker in focus. I was way less qualified than everybody and my experience is totally outdated. I see a great dependence in tech that cause them to not problem solve very well. I call me macguyver over there. the young today just seem more frail to me
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Oh, you can't be giving them hard questions now.....it could cause them long term mental instability and hardship. Definately could be taken as offensive. In fact, if the class is a majority minority, you could be in violation of performing a racist act
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Hard Questions have an intrinsic value.
Should college have plenty of them?
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College should be a place where all sorts of ideas are discussed. That was what we did at NMSU when I attended there in the 1960's.
I first went to a Southern Baptist College in my home town. There was no comparison. The people I knew at NMSU were far more intellectual.
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I visited the campus of East New Mexico University a few years ago, it is a few miles south of Clovis.
I liked it there , I perused the museum they maintain there.
Bought a Greyhound TeeShirt.
Didn't get to discuss much, I was not there long enough.
Exploring the deep ideas takes time.
Also required , a certain amount of forgiveness and freedom.
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EMSU is in Portales. Lots of Texans. I have only driven through Portales. NMSU (Enema Shoe) is in Las Cruces in the Rio Grande valley. There is a symmetrical mountain behind the campus, called Aggie Mountain by the students.It has a huge whitewashed A on it.
The local Indians have another name for it and celebrate carrying torches up the mountain of Christmas and Easter.
For fun activities, we water skied in irrigation ditches, towed by a car. You have not water skied until you have done it at 60 mph. behind a cloud of dust.
The big danger was hitting a tumbleweed. Ouch.
We used to get a pickup and collect huge bunches of tumbleweeds and throw them into a gulch. When you have them oiled up 20 feet high then you set fire to them. WHOOSH! You can see the flash for miles. Once the police came to investigate. We passed them on the road back to town. By the time they got there, all the tumbleweeds had burned up. I suspect it is illegal. But it was fun.
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I was in Clovis working on Cannon AFB.
I did see a lot of tumble weed, it filled the hotel pool overnight, it stacked itself on fences until there was no sight of the fence itself.
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Burning tumbleweeds get very, very hot.
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College should be a place where all sorts of ideas are discussed. That was what we did at NMSU when I attended there in the 1960's.
Too bad that's not the standard now, where anything that even remotely leans conservative, is designated hate speech...conservative pundits/speakers/politicians are designated as hateful racists, and are dis-invited, so that the only ideas being discussed are liberal
...and thus more easily manipulated
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I last year a student tried to ban comics because she expected batman and superman not maus or anything thought provoking. I found those comics abit heady for me but would never ever think to prevent them to be read by anyone else.
Ill even go as far to say it's not even liberal but more of students right gone so far it endangers education.
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Oh no, make no mistake Kimba, this is predominantly liberal. One need only look at the mass of student support of someone like Sanders, and the rhetoric they echo of his
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mass of student support of someone like Sanders
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I say this because comics as a college course does not seem to me something conservatives would support. I think this has become some different kind of beast.
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Well, it's definately had a mutation factor to it, but its origins are distinctly liberal based, where discipline has all been but removed from the classroom and replaced with pathological political correctness
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i use pc to torture people. I have taken the notion od women should not be objectified and give the most lame compliments to women and ending it everytime with the phrase with respect to your intellect. They totally do not like it.
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http://www.amazon.com/American-Born-Chinese-Gene-Luen/dp/0312384483
Have you seen this?
This is a graphic novel (thick comic book).
The subject is the self conscious feeling of a person who wants to be American in all ways but has a foreign looking face.
I do not want to spoil the story further , but I highly recommend it as a cleverly written and thought provoking literature.
But it has a stereotypical character in it , a really intensely offensive one, this story depends on this character as Huckleberry Finn relies on Jim.
Would an effort to clean our literature of such characters leave us with an insipid inability to discuss anything negative and rob us of many worthwhile stories?
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May check it out. Likely relate to some aspect. I do wonder do nonchinese know what the word fob means. Im a fob despite how long i've been in the states
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There was a wacko Mexican guy at NMSU named Montestruc who was a fan of the John Birchers, and a Texan named Ed that was obsessed with a book called the Ordeal of Otto Otipka, about some bureaucrat who was demoted to a job in an empty room where he had to sit all day doing nothing to get paid by the Defense Dept. Of course, he used the time to write this book. NO one I knew took either of these guys seriously, and we laughed at them behind their backs. Otto Otipka was convinced that the Soviets were taking over because they ignored him. Montestruc believed that the Red Chinese had a plan to take over the US by poisoning everyone with fluoridated water, a common Bircher belief.
They were perhaps less loony than the current right wingers, who seem poised to support Trump to avoid Hillary turning the US into a
Communist state.
No one had been convicted so far as I know of "hate speech" for saying really stupid shit.
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See, there you are, telling college students that YOU have the right to decide for them.
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Wrong again, oh mighty professor of wrongness. No one is deciding anything for them....that's the damn point. They have the option of chosing to ignore anything and everything said that might hurt their fragile little ears. What they don't get to do is to shut down what other people say, regardless of how it might hurt their fragile mental state
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Who said they had such a right? Not me.
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And who claimed that I claimed some right to decide for them? Not me ::)
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To me this looks like a term " becoming ones own enemy "
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Who's becoming whose enemy?
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To me this looks like a term " becoming ones own enemy "
How so?
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Speaking of more campus lunacy, has anyone noticed the PC tidal wave of trying to rename Insitutions, buildings, and even streets adjacent to campuses, where the name in question was apparently acting politically incorrect, decades, if not centuries ago? Notice also other names that would also be considered to have been politically incorrect, but because they perfoemed some acts that would be liberal leaning, they get a pass.
Example: Brown University changed its Columbus Day celebration to Indigenous People's Day & Stanford students have demanded the renaming of buildings, malls and streets bearing the name of the recently canonized Junipero Serra, an 18th-century Franciscan priest who was often unkind to American Indians. And yet, San Diego State University students are not demanding that the school eliminate its nickname, "Aztecs," even though the Aztecs enslaved and slaughtered tens of thousands of people from tribes they conquered. Nor is there any demand by UC Berkeley students and faculty in the renaming of Warren Hall, named after California Attorney General Earl Warren, who instigated the wartime internment of tens of thousands of innocent Japanese-American citizens
President Woodrow Wilson was a racist who, among other racist acts, segregated civil service jobs. Should Princeton University rename its Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs plus rename its Woodrow Wilson fellowship program?
Our military has a number of deadly aircraft named with what the nation's leftist might consider racial slights, such as the Comanche, Apache, Iroquois, Kiowa, Lakota and the more peaceful Mescalero. Should they be renamed? Our military might also be seen as disrespecting the rights and dignity of animals. Should military death-dealing aircraft named after peace-loving animals -- such as the Eagle, Falcon, and Dolphin be renamed?
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I`m saying these seeming liberal students are acting so extreme they are doing very unliberal thing like banning courses and book which would normally supported by liberals. I can`t find the article but some liberal teachers has stated they can`t teacher thier normal topic out of fear they may offend thier students.
becoming ones own enemy
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ok, I can see where you're going with that now. Yes, indeed, making things so politically correct, even simple history can be taken as offensive
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The more I think about it I begin to wonder when these school start to bow to the whims of the students wouldn't the quality of the other get effected? Math and english is the most basic and highly undesirable. It's not unreasonable to think students will try to minimize these courses
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If a student cannot calculate or do math, then he cannot be an engineer and probably cannot function in a modern society in which money is important.
If a student cannot read and understand what he has read, and cannot explain what he means, he is simply incompetent for anything more sophisticated than a plow.
Reading, writing and math are essential, even if they are not amusing to some.
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As somebody who has some ability to do math it confused me for decades that people actually needed a calculator to figure something like 20% of 2000 and was amazed i can do this in my head.
It took me a long while to finally accept some folks just cant do this this and it's about intelligence. I obviously have not ability in grammer but i still try.
But I'm not turned off by my short coming i still try
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It seems as though your mind is trained to organize your thoughts in the patterns of Chinese grammar. English grammar is different. This is a common problem with bilingual learning.
Practice is the key.
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Actually your right because several chinese lawyers has pointed that out to me. Chinese is my birth language .
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I have heard that one reason Chinese tend to excel at math is because the number system is simpler.
11 is the equivalent of "ten-one", rather than an unrelated separate word, like "eleven".
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I heard that two. Eleven ,twelve& thirteen is confusing
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At my advance age i just want more bathroom availability don't care who else is there. Lets face itwe don't have enough tree despite what women say for us to go to
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At my advance age i just want more bathroom availability don't care who else is there. Lets face itwe don't have enough tree despite what women say for us to go to
So Kimba if you had an 11 year old granddaughter you really would not care if when she walked into the multi-person restroom at the park and there was already 6 men in the same restroom?
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but why would that even happen? In a park setting I or her parent would be with her. Your acting like that batman character who says if thiers a 1% chance superman can become bad we must kill superman.
It's not impossible but improbable
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SIX Transvestite men in a single Park bathroom! Wow!
Sounds like the GREAT TRANNY PISS-IN!
Another of the wacko events now showing in the warped mind of sirs.
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You really need to keep track of who's posting what :o
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Sorry, I meant the warped mind of CU4. You guys are so similar I get you confused. Tweedle dee dum and Twiddle de dumber, always vying for the top spot in silly statements.
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but why would that even happen?
I thought you previously stated that it was ok with you if all public multi-person restrooms became "gender neutral".
And if your wish comes true...
do you not think that children to teen age bracket would immediately often find themselves in that exact dilemma?
If like you say multi-person public restrooms became gender neutral of course teenage girls would suddenly find
themselves in park restrooms, restaurant restrooms, airport restrooms, and school restrooms with adult men and boys.
Do you really think that would be a good thing?
Why in the hell would we do that?
To put children, teenagers, and adult women at risk
To satisfy a tiny fraction of mentally ill gender confused people?
Or to make it so you can pee a bit faster?
That's ludicrous throw out baby with bathwater logic!
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Sorry, I meant the warped mind of CU4. You guys are so similar I get you confused. Tweedle dee dum and Twiddle de dumber, always vying for the top spot in silly statements.
Which, using your parameters, makes you......Tweedle dee dumbest, I guess
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People do not meet in public lavatories because of custom.
No one wants to be caught in the act of coitus in a public lavatory. People who seek coitus are even more aware of this than the average person, who would never think of doing it in a public john.
They are not likely to change this custom because of a new custom, inspired by the .00001% of the population that is transsexual.
I did not say that bathrooms should be "gender neutral". I said that people do not socialize in public lavatories.
I said that this law was unnecessary and was passed only to get out the yokel fundamentalist vote, just as the anti-gay marriage laws passed earlier for the same purpose.
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A unisex multi person restrooms is not whats in question and was never proposed by transgendered. True the opposition says that is whats going to happen to push the law through. This is about two set of bathroom and who gets in period. I intend both be unisex for my convience .by my set up your scenerio is highly unlike since thier still designated facilities fir the little girl to not be with the people you fear which is basically the inference is ironicly not transgender men but straight men.
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There are very, very few transgendered men, and of course, a man who is convinced that he is more feminine than masculine is hardly likely to molest little girls.
The problem as imagined by the yokels of the NC legislature is nonexistent.
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You guys claim this isn't setting up public multi-person gender neutral restrooms...
but what would prevent a predator confronted by authorities hanging out in women's bathrooms claiming "oh I am gender confused"?
and there isn't a damn thing authorities could do?
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There are very, very few transgendered men, and of course, a man who is convinced that he is more feminine than masculine is hardly likely to molest little girls.
The problem as imagined by the yokels of the NC legislature is nonexistent.
So what was the purpose of the law that removes the barriers to crossing the gender lines for bathrooms?
You know , the first move in that match?
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So what was the purpose of the law that removes the barriers to crossing the gender lines for bathrooms?
You know , the first move in that match?
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I have no idea what you are referring to.
This is a useless law, designed only to get out the yokel vote.
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So what was the purpose of the law that removes the barriers to crossing the gender lines for bathrooms?
You know , the first move in that match?
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I have no idea what you are referring to.
This is a useless law, designed only to get out the yokel vote.
The NC legislature attempted to retain the silly old notion that "single-sex, multiple-occupancy bathroom and changing facilities" should be entered based on a person's biological gender, not what the one they imagine it to be.....period
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It was a stupid idea, as they should be able to see by now.
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You're right....it was stupid to think people were going to be ok with a guy walking into women's restroom, based on nothing more than he believes himself to be a woman
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What is stopping that same man from walking into the ladies' room in the other 49 states?
Why have there been no national outcries about phony trannies marching into women's lavatories all over the country?
This was not a problem,and if it were a problem, this idiot law does nothing to stop it.
Right there where you live, there are lots of women's rooms in which phony trannies can mince right in to. You should go down ther and hang out and guard the local women and girls from phony transsexual rapists. Be on the lookout for Bruce Jenner lookalikes with beards and mustaches.
You might be a hero.
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What is stopping that same man from walking into the ladies' room in the other 49 states?
The law. NC's law simply makes the point that much clearer. Nothing more
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What is stopping phony transsexual rapists in the other 49 states? You oughta get CA to pass a similar law, since you like this one so much.
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Nothing stops anyone from breaking the law, if they're intent on doing such. I see you're coming around to the nonesense that more gun laws would stop gun crime. Good for you ;)
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Where you are right about the silliness and unenforceability, it is the LGBT supporters who opened this can of worms in Charlotte NC.
Why?
Because the LGBT don't feel hurt with silliness?
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No. More GUNS will prevent phony transsexuals from raping women in public bathrooms. NC does not have the answer. We need ARMED BATHROOM GUARDS in every women's room in the country to stop this imaginary crime wave,
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I like this thought.
It kinda creates the need and solves the need together.
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It is quite.......fantastical, isn't it
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Yes , but armed guards would not really be better than the police, which we can afford to increase in number only just so much, not enough to have a policeman or armed guard everywhere that a woman might be ambushed.
Much more economical and practical to arm a large number of women, ideally every one of them.
To start with elect me as mayor of Chicago, also make Wayne LaPierre Wesley Snipes and Ted Nugent aldermen.
We would organize classes in gun safety , gun care and markswomanship , issuing to every woman that graduated a concealed carry permit and a coupon good for four hundred dollars at Chucks gun and pawn shop.
That is about it.
Soon there would be, as a well known fact, a few thousand pistol packin women spread randomly across the whole city at every strata and class.
Rapists would forget how , abusers would learn manners. Anyone shooting wildly in the presence of children will be ventilated by the armed mothers of those children. Neighborhood watch will mean something.
Oh and restrooms will need civility , not rules.
Oh yes , lets make a point of sensitivity, we will not ask women to prove that they are women before enrolling them in the training and gun subsidy program. Ersatz women will only prove that they are citizens of Chicago, after all they need safety too.
Two years tops , Chicago will be reformed , when Chicago Il. is as peaceful as Kennesaw Ga. the idea will be well proven Then we make me president and Ronald "R." Lee Ermey will be appointed safety czar for the nation so that the training can go national.
Five years later , when at least twenty percent of all our women are armed , we can reduce taxes by fifteen percent because we will need about that much less police and prisons.
Terrorism will be a dead letter, no terrorists will have the ambition to bring Islam to a nation of armed women. They will hate us for our freedom all the more , but the frustration will be beneficial to them.
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And the good news there is that record numbers of women are purchasing firearms for personal protection. Smart women
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Yes , but modest results can be ignored.
Suppose a policy changed Chicago from 900 murders a quarter , to 900 murders a year?
Would this be large or small news?
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This will never be an Islam dominated country and armed women will not be the reason.
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Bruce Springsteen canceled his concert in Greensboro, North Carolina because of the state's new law, which he believes blocks anti-discrimination rules covering the LGBT community. A letter in response to Springsteen cancelling his concert was released by The Stream, and it perfectly explains what?s wrong with Bruce's decision.
Dear Bruce,
As a resident of North Carolina since 2003, I read with interest that you decided to cancel your April 10th concert in Greensboro because of HB2, the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act.
In your statement you explained that, in your view, the bill is "an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress."
You added that it was time for you and your band "to show solidarity for those freedom fighters"
(speaking of transgender activists), and you ended your statement with these powerful words: "Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry" which is happening as I write, is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards."
I also read that your guitarist, Steven Van Zandt, has likened HB2 to an "evil virus" that is spreading through the United States in the form of similar legislation.
These are strong words, and they represent strong convictions. So, let me first commend you and your band members for putting your principles before your livelihood, even to the disappointment of your North Carolina fans. I have read that you regretted not performing at the 1985 Live Aid concert in Wembley, and perhaps this is your way of saying, "I do care and I'm here to make a difference."
Whatever your motivation, I admire anyone who puts morality before money. My question to you and your band is simply this: In boycotting North Carolina and siding against HB2, did you really side with morality? Are you truly standing with "freedom fighters"?
I'm assuming you read HB2 for yourself and you're not just listening to media reports attacking the bill or, worse still, getting your talking points from biased lobbyist groups like the Human Rights Campaign. (If you're not really familiar with the bill, then click here and here and here.)
So, please allow me to ask you some questions.
First, how do you know if someone is really "transgender" or not? Is it determined entirely by how they feel about themselves? If so, do you think that it might be hard to make laws based entirely on how people feel? Did you ever stop to consider that?
Second, what's the difference between someone with "gender dysphoria" (or, as it used to be called, gender identity disorder) and someone, say, with schizophrenia or "multiple personality disorder" or some other psychological condition? In other words, if a man is a biological and chromosomal male but believes he is a woman, is he actually a woman, or does he have a psychological disorder?
If he does have a psychological disorder, should we try to treat that disorder or should we celebrate that disorder? And is it right to call biological males who feel they are women and biological women who feel they are men "freedom fighters" Perhaps that's not the best use of the term?
If you are deeply offended that I would dare suggest that many transgender individuals are dealing with a psychological disorder, could you kindly point me to the definitive scientific literature that explains that these biological males are actually females and these biological females are actually males?
I?m not saying they don?t deserve compassion. To the contrary, I'm saying that's exactly what they deserve: compassion, not celebration.
But perhaps I'm being too abstract here, so let's get really practical. Let's say that a 6' 4 male who used to play professional football and who has secretly agonized over his gender identity for years finally determines that he must be true to himself and live as a woman.
Do you think it might be traumatic for a little girl using the library bathroom to see this big man walk into her room wearing a dress and a wig? Should we take her feelings into account, or is she not important? What if that was your granddaughter? Would you care if she was traumatized? And when you speak of the human rights of all of our citizens? does that include little girls like this?
I understand that this gentleman will have difficulties should he decide to dress and live as a woman, but that is still a choice he is making, and it is not fair to impose his struggles on innocent little children, is it?
And what if this same man, whom we'll assume is not a sexual predator, wants to share the YMCA locker room with your wife and daughter, standing there in his underwear as they come out of the shower stalls wrapped in towels. Is this fair to them?
Let?s take this one step further. If any man who claims to be a woman can use women's bathrooms and locker rooms, then how do we keep the sexual predators out? I?ve asked people to watch this short video, giving examples of male heterosexual predators who donned women's clothing to get into the ladies? rooms, and I'd encourage you to watch it too. Without HB2, rapists and voyeurs and pedophiles would have free access to our women and daughters in the safety of their own bathrooms and locker rooms.
Since you don't like HB2, indeed, your guitarist called it an "evil virus" what's your plan to keep the predators out? How can we tell the difference between a "genuine" transgender person and a sexual predator? Since everyone knows you as "The Boss," what would you do to keep the ladies and children safe?
And one final question.
When you booked the concert in Greenboro, the laws in North Carolina were just as they are today: In public facilities, people had to use the bathrooms and locker rooms that corresponded to their biological sex. Why, then, did you agree to come in the first place? Why cancel the concert when things today are just what they were six months ago?
Again, I appreciate your sincerity, but I question your judgment. In your zeal to do what is right, you have actually done what is wrong.
(Via The Stream)
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Dear Bruce Springsteen
And band
And entourage.
In response to your refusal of service to North Carolina , don't try to skip out on your Atlanta gig this is no longer legal in Georgia.
You best show up here on schedule with a song in your heart.
Refusing to serve in Georgia will result in a state backed suit that will relieve you of your money and equipment reeeel quick.
I know we almost had a law that would have prevented such a suit , but I vetoed it, so ,THERE ....Boss!
Also you are hereby under a gag order , such that you may not discuss the suit with the public or press.
So looking forward to your music concert , be there or be sued .
Have a Blessed Day
Georgia Governor
Nathan Deal
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https://gov.georgia.gov/
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We are the party of freedom and small government and if you do not sing and dance for our amusement, we will sue you.
But Georgia did not succeed in passing its anti-gay law.
Assuming there is anything real in any part of this this government bullying, how does any of this make sense?
Boycotting North Carolina is the right of any performer, in the long run. They can simply refuse to agree to concerts in NC.
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We are the party of freedom and small government and if you do not sing and dance for our amusement, we will sue you.
But Georgia did not succeed in passing its anti-gay law.
Assuming there is anything real in any part of this this government bullying, how does any of this make sense?
Boycotting North Carolina is the right of any performer, in the long run. They can simply refuse to agree to concerts in NC.
No the right to serve or not serve at will is lost now.
Why do you want Bruce Springsteen to be an exception?
If he refuses service , the suit should automatically happen, and he will sing or loose his operation.
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BINGO
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But Georgia did not succeed in passing its anti-gay law.
Why do you want to call it an anti gay law?
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its all about phrasing the argument....it's a not an unborn child, its a "fetus". It's not about common sense decency, morals, or even religious freedom, its "anti-gay"
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Boycotting North Carolina is the right of any performer, in the long run. They can simply refuse to agree to concerts in NC.
Why must we draw a line between who must have the freedom to refuse and those who do not have the freedom to refuse?
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This will never be an Islam dominated country and armed women will not be the reason.
There is a particular reason?
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its all about phrasing the argument....it's a not an unborn child, its a "fetus". It's not about common sense decency, morals, or even religious freedom, its "anti-gay"
George Orwell was very concerned with this , in "Nineteen Eighty Four" he exaggerated the ordinary weasel words of politicians into government policy , such that the governments power to define the meanings of words made it a crime to call a thing what it really was.
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Americans are not ever going to be that religious as top convert to Islam.
American women are too independent to submit to Islam. Arab women do, but this is done by marrying them off in their teens to men as old as their fathers.
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Actually before 911 islam was the fastest growing religion in the united states. Islam has many attractive aspect for men and women . Remember queen noor is an educated American woman who volunteered to be muslim . But post 911 is another matter which confound alot of my very devote muslim friends.
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. Islam has many attractive aspect for men and women .
It does? It is like fundamentalist Christianity, but with more demands and uglier clothes.
I cannot think of any advantage to Islam at all. If I had been born into Islam, I would have dropped it long,long ago.
People have a right to do really sucky, stupid things, and becoming a Muslim is among the worst.
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Well I find muslims today very similar to christain of centuries past. The behavior,cloths even the food restrictions.
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...all the while Christian prayer, even when done by an individual, is condemned if on campus, or a sporting event, while efforts to provide opportunities for prayer and teaching of the Koran are being pushed in all levels of public schooling
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Was not aware other prayer was allowed
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Now, if I were xo, I'd be telling you to go google it yourself. Being that I'm of the model of supporting, that which I claim, indeed, it is being allowed (http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/Muslim-Prayer-in-Schools-Religion-Students/2015/03/25/id/634403/). In multiple locations, no less (http://lastresistance.com/michigan-public-school-board-allows-muslims-pray/)
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Well that seems unfair. I maybe biased since I am baptist. I got no issue banning prayer in school due to separation of church and state but then why allow others. You can't say cultural consideration since we can use thst defense also
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Of course its unfair, horribly so....but its politically correct to bash Christianity, but coddle Islam, so it gets a pass
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I do not think anyone "coddles Islam" in this country.
I have seen no evidence of this whatever,
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I just provided one
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Prayer officially led by school officials is outlawed as establishment of religion.
I don't agree with "Muslim prayer rooms". On the other hand, the alternative is that some assigned time you might have a several students dropping to the floor in the classroom or lunchroom to pray, with their butts in the air.
Then the administration has to guard their silly Muslim butts from getting kicked, or simply evicting them from the school. There is no alternative to either let them prsay or throw them out.
Making religious martyrs should not be the function of our schools.
Newsmax has no solution to this, and neither do you or I.
Islam sucks. But we still have freedom of religion.
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If they let muslim get thier prayer then they should use thst room for other folks also. Have no prsyer in class but provide a nondenominational room
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Exactly. But instead you have the left making rationalizing somersaults to justify why its ok for Muslim prayer while we continue to condemn any other prayer. By every other definition, this is coddling, and worse, its enabling the continued virus of political correctness
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I agree that if they have a prayer room, it should be open to all.
Prayer is essentially talking to yourself, so nonreligious people who want to mumble to themselves also should have access.
In Junior high, anyone in the usual grovelling Muslim prayer position with their ass in the air is just asking for a kick in the butt.
When I see a roomful of guys doing this, I cannot help but think of kicking them. Not that I would, mind you.
So you cannot have Muslims praying in the classroom or in the lunchroom.
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I agree that if they have a prayer room, it should be open to all.
BUT ITS NOT.....THAT'S THE FRICKEN POINT. PUBLIC schools, across the country, are condemning and banning anything even remotely Christian, on school grounds, even after a school is closed, but will go out of its way to provide prayer rooms and mandatory teaching of the Koran
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No, they do not teach the Koran. Get serious.
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I said, in some cases, they mandate some teaching of the Koran, including memorizing some scripture. I did not claim anyone was taking or teaching Koran 101, Dr Deflection
The fact that there's any such teaching, along with allowing muslim prayer in public schools, while condemning anything/everything Christian, Catholic, or even Jewish, is the present hypocritical issue at hand
Either they all be allowed or NONE be allowed. You don't pick and choose which religion is to be deemed politically correct
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Uhm I think we're actually all in agreement here.
Wierd
No comfortable
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I favor not favoring any religion the best way possible,
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The best way possible is to condemn all efforts EQUALLY
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Again, you are the principal. A couple of Muslims have prostrated them selves on the floor and are praying in Arabic.
You can ignore them. After all, Christian kids can pray to themselves seated in their desks, can't they?
Keep an eye on them so they do not get kicked in the butt.
Send them home. (they will be martyrs for Allah)
Give them detention. (They will be martyrs for Allah)
Provide a prayer room.
Do you have any other suggestions?
As for teaching the Koran as a religious document, I would have none of that.
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It is like fundamentalist Christianity, .........................
There are important differences.
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Again, you are the principal. A couple of Muslims have prostrated them selves on the floor and are praying in Arabic.
You can ignore them. After all, Christian kids can pray to themselves seated in their desks, can't they?
NO, they can't. Any sign that they're praying, hands closed, kneeling, clutching a bible, is condemned, and they're told they are not allowed on a public campus. You're doing exactly what I knew you would...you're rationalizing to justify why it should be ok to allow Muslim prayer....because they'll do it anyway?? Is that it??
No, the "suggestion" here is to condemn it as much as you condemn any Christian efforts, while on campus
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I was in a courtroom for a traffic ticket and witnessed a Judge and a Muslim interact.
The Bailiff instructed everyone to stand and remove hats, this guy did not.
He did not mind standing , but he kept his hat on.
So the judge addressed him directly.
... after a few questions were answered ...
The judge was assured that no disrespect to the court was intended and that the reason for the hat was religious obligation.
So he allowed it.
There is room for discretion and accommodation, but there must be good reason for it , if it causes a larger problem.
I remember news accounts of several Muslim women who wanted to keep scarves on their hair or their faces partially hidden when their pictures were taken for drivers license, this seems to be where the line is , they were disallowed because having a masked picture on the drivers license ruins it as an ID and so ruins it as a permit to drive the states roads. They were still free to walk or ride , just no driving with a masked ID.
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I will have arguements from this but the scarf and covering of the face is cultural not a religious thing. Notice not all muslim women cover up.