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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on May 16, 2016, 01:12:53 PM
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Any bets this will result in meds student demanding not to see icky dead bodies and study gross stuff.
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...if it offends them
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i just read the claim is safe spaces will make the student into trailblazers to more able the change the world for the better instead of being compliant. Let me state a fact a large percentage of comedians are giving up going to campuses due to these hyper-sensitive students. if these kids do change the world it means humor will be gone.
jerry sienfeld gave up going to campuses . these kids grew up on his show and he can`t do his bit.
I`m actually inspired to make pc based jokes. ex. Oh I`m sorry I didn`t mean to say you look nice I understand thats offensive nowadays.
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i just read the claim is safe spaces will make the student into trailblazers to more able the change the world for the better instead of being compliant.
It will, and has been, doing precisely the opposite. The idea that people, students in particular, should be shielded from opposing points of view, isn't being "compliant", it's being respectful and civil. No one says you have to agree, and will absolutely have the opposite effect proponets claim. Although I love the term that's being applied to these supposed stellar minds....that of "prescious little snowflakes"
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Their also take offense to pc being a negative and say pc means being polite
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The way of semantics. PC is actually the opposite of being polite....it's being intolerant. Polite would be in respectfully disagreeing, not using rhetoric to attempt to inhibit, if not prevent, a differing thought or perspective.
It's consistent with how the pro-transgender crowd is attempting to redefine the Bill of Rights, when it refers to discrimination based on race or sex is unconstitutional. Sex here is clearly in relation to biology. ..not how someone feels, at any given time
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The best I can see , respect for another person includes respect for their right to be different.
Not just in appearance but in thought and habit.
If PC does not do this , then it does not deserve to be called politeness.
Politeness is a formalized respect , and is how every relationship ought to be started.
The passage of time can loosen the bindings of politeness and allow a deeper understanding of respect to take over. A real friend can tell you that you stink.
PC has some of the form of politeness, but without the reciprocal respect. What does the passage of time lead PC to develop into?
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Political Correctness is the shutting down of opposing viewpoints in the guise of politeness. Another way of putting it is in the absense of any conflict, then all that's left is supposed politeness. Never mind that the "offensive" thought/POV has been shut down to not allow any potential conflict. That's the land of Political Correctness
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7 months ago i was listening to an interveiw who was a gay black conservative that got his speaking gig cancelled at a college because despite it was sold out the very thought of him coming(not yet there) was traumatizing to some of the students there and counselling was being provided. i think this the incident that may of started the notion of safe spaces.
a few years ago I kinda notice that my old world upbringing of looking at people`s eyes while talking to them intimidates young people. technology has made this new batch abit more timid. the idea cyber bullying a nonphysical attack is traumatizing kids is just so .. my caveman brain has trouble with this
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I found one of the supoosed positives for asian is no more people saying arent you good at math. I rarely ever get that to begin with and none of my friends gives a rats ass if we ever hear it. We're too busy trying to get our kids into college without being denied for being asian let alone just getting hired.
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Bye , don't let the doir hit you in the ass
http://www.progressivestoday.com/progressive-students-oberlin-college-want-abolish-low-grades/
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I would think a Gay Black Conservative would be an interesting person to listen to.
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He's quite funny and with this current trend of comedians not taking college gigs . I think he would of gotten band anyway.
I do understand why , comedy is mostly about finding humor in every single thing possible. It will cross boundaries. Even clean humor will touch the edge of whats not appropriate.
i find seinfeld very restrained so to think he offends student kinda pushed me over the edge to make this post. Most comedians has clean skits for children so when thats not enough .....
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A student would be have to be seriously hypersensitive to be offended by Jerry Seinfeld.
I respect Seinfeld for quitting while he was ahead and ending his series appropriately.
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A student would be have to be seriously hypersensitive to be offended by Jerry Seinfeld.
And yet they are.....which is why he doesn't perform on college campuses any longer, with all those prescious snowflakes, that apparently can be so mentally damaged. I respect him all the more for quitting those
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america had a steady diet of seinfeld for years and still the kids can`t take it. it does answer why cyberbullying works. I have trouble with how someone can get hurt by the internet. if you guys attack me I just switch to tv or netflix. take a walk . push come to shove learn to watch porn if thats possible in the internet
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We used to have a bigger circle here.
I guess only the most tolerant are left?
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true but I still learn stuff here and I gives me the ability to argue with people outside of here pretty well
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Jerry Seinfeld does not need the money, and I am sure that he is pretty sick of flying, airports and one night gigs.
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Most comedians, like Seinfeld live for those gigs ::) I can't count how many prominant comedians I've seen interviewed, who proclaim how they can't wait to get back out on the road
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for seinfeld it`s not a money issue but a need to perform. I think he`s said in the article that his show did`nt really end but that his road tour is the continuation of it.
this greatly impact alot of comedians since college gigs is the life blood of most of them. but the problem is some college gives no second chances to modify so thats why we hear comedians just quitting instead of changing thier gigs. it`s that extreme
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I am pretty sure you cannot count them.
Seinfeld has his cars and other stuff to occupy his time.
He can easily find an appreciative audience anywhere.
I am sure he could fill the house at the Century Village Theatre in Pembroke Pines.
An ABBA cover group and some phenomenal Chinese acrobats I had never heard of sold out all the seats two weeks in advance.
True, at $11 bucks a ticket, it is easy to sell out there are 25,000 residents there.
You could not find a more appreciative audience anywhere.
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Xo, you're coming at it from a non-comedien POV....of course YOU wouldn't want to go gig to gig. But that's what drives comediens like Seinfeld. Just because he's found fame doesn't negate what largely was what made him the happiest, in attaining that fame
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You claim to understand a comedian? You, sirs, who were born with no sense of humor and then has had three humorectomies?
I like Seinfeld, he has not said one single thing in stand up acts or the series that I found objectionable.
I don't know what he said that these mythical students were offended by.
If Seinfeld wants to do stand up comedy, there are thousands of places that will welcome him.
Still, the country is not suffering from a lack of comedy.
Especially since The Donald came along to jeer at and mock.
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I don't claim to understand anyone...I MERELY LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY, and what Comediens, including even the late Robin Williams, consistently reference is their love for doing their nightly gig in front of a live audience. And these prescious snowflakes on campus in question, aren't mythical either. If they were, Seinfeld would still be doing his campus circuit
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Latest trauma
I just read a student needed counseling for seeing a confederate flag sticker on a studentseparate laptop. I often joke I'm the scarey minority. Now I'm not sure that's a joke anymore .
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Those prescious prescious snowflakes.....so emotionally and mentally fragile :-[
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Latest trauma
I just read a student needed counseling for seeing a confederate flag sticker on a studentseparate laptop. I often joke I'm the scarey minority. Now I'm not sure that's a joke anymore .
I feel your pain.
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It is absurd to be afraid of a rebel flag.
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I'm curious how they will shapers of worlds.
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They won't be.
Most people are followers, that is the way the world is set up.
The system admits few to actually lead.
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What "system" does that, and who in that "system" produces this mythic firewall, to not allow more folks who may want to be a leader??
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It is typical for followers to outnumber leaders.
This is because groups of whatever size can be led by few.
Except in OZ where an army that had one rifleman and a half dozen generals invaded.
Rough that was , even though no one dies in OZ.
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I am not a political leader, but not normally a follower, either.
sirs is not any sort of leader.
What was OZ, you mean the one that where Dorothy and Toto met the Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion?
There was at least one witch that was melted.
Dorothy's house fell on another,
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Actually, I'm a leader in many ways, both at the Hospital, and in extracurricular activities. A leader is someone who simply helps take charge of things. As Plane indicated, there will ALWAYS be less leaders than followers, since that's generally how life works. It's not some nefarious Republican Corporate plan to bar people from leading
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I don`t find it hard to get people to follow my instructions. I find I just show I know what I`m doing and the rest fall together. I do observed people who wants it tend to rely on position to get people to follow. I call them title huggers and they don`t do great.
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I am not a political leader, but not normally a follower, either.
sirs is not any sort of leader.
What was OZ, you mean the one that where Dorothy and Toto met the Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion?
There was at least one witch that was melted.
Dorothy's house fell on another,
There were a dozen OZ books by Frank Baum.
I have read several of them.
The Army Of Oz was a single individual robot who would defend very well if he was properly wound .
The army with one musketeer and six generals worked for an invading princess.
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I only read the first two of the OZ books, so I did not recognize the allusion.
My Aunt Margaret forced my cousins Susan and Martha to loan me the OZ books and in a month I had only read the first two, I think I was eight or nine at the time. I did not know they did not agree to lend the books to me, but then they threw a fit and I had to return them before I finished all of them.
I was supposed to check them out of the library, but other books interested me more.
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I don`t find it hard to get people to follow my instructions. I find I just show I know what I`m doing and the rest fall together.
And it would appear no corporate or Republican forces conspired to prevent this, did they
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but not everyone does this and seem to likely title hug. the military is out of practicallity require it`s soldiers to respect the title but thiers has been whispers of fragging. the postal service is famous for it. a supervisor does not need to be friends with anyone but should show that they earn trust.
I had a job which nobody trusted the supervisor to do anything. He did not last long in that position. the damage to morale is still an issue now.
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point being, while it can be hard to "become a leader" in certain areas, there's no nefarious plot to prevent it...... as implied earlier
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I actually had people tried to take my position . I laugh at them. A leadership job is a very troublesome job. I never liked doing it. I was told the reason I'm good at it was because my total lack of ambition will make me not do anything stupid. I'm too focus on doing my job. Abitious people are not the best workers.
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i remember two very abitious people who got transfered out. they ARE smarter , faster and more qualified than me but found out both are very sloppy and had a very high failure rate. I never multi-task and took my time with everything.
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I never wanted to be Department Chairman at my college and declined all attempts to get me to lead others, because at my college, the Chair was never given a budget or any power such as the power to fire or hire. If you wrote a grant, then you were responsible for seeing that the money was spent as intended. The administration put all the money in a slush fund and used the money to hire their frat brothers and sisters as administrators or just pissed it away on whatever. So I wanted no part of being responsible for seeing that money I was assigned to watch disappear to where I could not watch it.
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Your giving clues on how responsible colleges are with it's money. Do you think the tuition cost today is justified. Shoukd students pay that much. Putting students in financial is ok.
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A major problem is with administration. College professors, if they are competent, do not need much administration: they need adequate scheduling ans a way to access technology needed. Administrators are normally not people who have any course work in human relations or management, they are generally teachers with ambition that seek "promotion" because administrators are paid more . a LOT more. Professors are often adjuncts, paid by the course, as low as $20K per year with zero benefits. Administrators like to hire as many adjuncts as possible, because it frees up money to pay administrators and to hire administrators. There are no adjunct administrators. All were paid over $75K, with full professors who did the actual teaching, getting $10 to $20K less. New hires got less, unless they taught business or accounting.
The feds decide how much they will pay in student aid, and when this is increased, then tuition is increased. This often does not result in professors getting paid more. There are a lot of young people who can barely read and are worthless as workers, and if they have a HS diploma or even a GED, many of them end up in college, where they cannot handle the reading and math, as they are at a fifth grade level in both.
They get placed in remedial courses, which are not for college credit, and many are ashamed to be in such classes and drop out, Those that failed at the public college, junior college or whatever still can borrow money. Students who do not understand that the private college will cause them to owe ten times more than the public ones have parents who are also no good at math and they ended up as freshmen in my college. They wanted to be studying for a business degree, but could not do even arithmetic or read the textbook, so they got in remedial courses. Some took these seriously, but a majority of the students did not, and spent most of their time partying.
'When I was in college at NMSU, everyone I knew studied hard, and this was a powerful reason for everyone top do so. If everyone you know is partying,then most people are inclined to party.
I think that the percentage of students who successfully completed a degree within five years at my college was around 12%. The college knew the retention rate numbers, but never told anyone, because I suspect they were so low. Most of the freshmen class flunked out before I saw them, since Spanish was a sophomore course for those who has remedial courses. By the time I retired, most of the graduates had not taken any foreign language, because they had transferred in and had the requirement waived. So I do not know how well prepared they were.
My opinion is that my college now serves no real purpose. They should can the officer and administrators and turn it over to Miami Dade College, where tuitoni s lower and salaries for professors are higher.
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I`ve always suspected by the sheer volume and cost that colleges are lowering entry requirements just to get that financial aid money from students.I don`t often hear about the graduation rate . except of course the ivy league school has better than most but thier not even the most expensive and they brag they charge a set cost unlike most schools which you do not know the overall cost .
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Harvard,Yale MIT, Cal Tech, and such only accept the best and the brightest. They are the easiest sort of people to teach on the planet. All you have to do is point them in the right direction and teach them some memory techniques and such and they will come back with amazing ideas.
The hardest people to teach are those too fucking dumb to see any value in knowledge.
You play them music so they can hear the cadences of the language and the way phonemes combine differently from English someone asks "Is this gonna be on the test?"
The easy jobs in academe are the most rewarding, The worst thing that can happen with a brilliant student is when he is a smartass and decided to show the prof how ignorant he is. Like Galileo, Fyneman, perhaps Einstein.
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It common to not see value in things. People think geology is a waste of time. But that one of the most in demand job around. Nasa is considered a waste of money but it took less than a year and a half to prove how wrong it was to defund it.
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Nasa is still at work. I do notn thi8nkit was ever completely defunded.
Geology is quite useful.
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Just the manned mission was shutdown and this in turn they found effect satellite launches and other problems. One of the main reason is no difference in expenses and notice alot of money spent outside of the country. The nail on the coffin is russia refusing in our space program.
It doesn't exactly help that the best satellite rockets are not American. We're actually falling behind and have alot of catching up
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Manned missions do not make sense, because we have no reason to visit the Moon against, and we still do not have the technology to send people to Mars and return them to Earth.
Sending robots does not require a life support system, and humans are nit required to be in the vehicle to acquire the data we want and need.
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People need to be there to occupy the real estate.
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So we can prevent the Thelosians from taking over? Or the Breen?
Little is known of the Breen.
I do not think that manned missions are over. But the difference between a Moon mission and a mission even to Mars. like the distance, is huge.
I think that for the next dozen years or so we need to work on safer and more efficient technology using unmanned missions.
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Manned mission has nothing to do with people going to space. It has everything to do with progress . The very challenge to go into space with bring innovation in transportation,communications,medicine etc.
The moon is a fixed satellite and maybe very helpful with our telecommunications. The very act of going to mars for humans has tremendous medical applications. Remember man is totally completely not meant to be in space. So if we can get people to survive in trips in space the benefits will be great.
A lady once argued against space travel with me and said we should not be space to inspire us to innovate. My quick answer is so far that has never been proven true. Doesn't help her case that nasa funding got restored in such a short time and afterward we had some had some serious huge failure proving we got alot of catching up to do.
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afterward we had some had some serious huge failure proving we got alot of catching up to do.
We did? I don't recall anyone dying. Did I miss something?
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no deaths but very costly failed launches.