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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on May 20, 2016, 12:25:35 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html?postshare=8481463748284568&tid=ss_fb
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It is a dumb choice of a name, and there is no real choice between "caring for our people" and "worrying about names like the Washington Redskins".
One can do both or either at the same time.
This is an illogical false dichotomy.
I don't personally care about pro football in any aspect. It is something that bores me, and I ignore it.
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Well offense require context alot of times.
I used the punch in the face scenerio. Will you hear that word before being punched in the face.
Hey ------ then a punch. The word tends to roll off the toungue easy.
Native American,redskin doesn't work very well. Injun kinda rings
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Why aren't Minnesotans and Swedes offended when the Vikings are having a bad season?
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The Vikings chose their own name.
The term "Redskin" was coined by the White Men.
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If you about it blacks are racist against each other because they would use that word while punching a face. It does roll off the tongue.
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Black people and White people alike have used the "n word" since the times the first slaves arrived.
It has become a taboo word. Blacks allow other Blacks to use it and use it themselves, but they do not want Whites to use it.
Once, I was fiddling around at my college after registration, getting all the stuff together foer the next day, since I was in charge of Humanities Registration that day.
Coach Parker the basketball coach and Coach Smith were talking about the team for the coming year. And Coach Parker said "We'd have a great team if we could get them n****rs to practice as much as they should. They always missing practice or cutting off before we're through. But you know, them n****rs LAZY! Then Coach Parker said, "Sorry Dr (Onassis) we didn't mean for you to hear that."
I think I said "that's okay".
Such is the nature of verbal taboos.
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...and such is the nature of Hypocrisy
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I just think it`s a bad idea and will becomes a steady headache for like sagging pants.
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opp forgot
this is a new one cultural appropriation which is anything unique to ones culture is cannot be used by anyone else. I`m goona sound crazy but isn`t this the total opposite of diversity?
that would mean nobody but italians is allowed to eat italian food.
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Taboos are common in every culture. They are irrational, but I don't think they are hypocritical. There is a taboo against asking a person one does not know about how much they earn, pointing at people, calling adults by their first name, asking about one's sex life, discussing menstruation in mixed company, and a variety of taboos about death and dying.
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opp forgot
this is a new one cultural appropriation which is anything unique to ones culture is cannot be used by anyone else. I`m goona sound crazy but isn`t this the total opposite of diversity?
that would mean nobody but italians is allowed to eat italian food.
I agree, people don't need to be restricted to a few costumes.
If a Chinese guy wants to wear a kilt, that is fine with me.
If he wants to wear our tartan,...well that is still ok as long as we don't have a feud going on.
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Taboos are common in every culture. They are irrational, but I don't think they are hypocritical.
Of course they're hypocritical. No one is condemned or vilified for asking how much someone else makes. Asking about sex or menstruation isn't taboo, its simply very poor taste, if not overtly rude. Claiming its ok for person x to say the n word, but condemning person y for saying it is the very definition of hypocrisy.
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Team names are supposed to be good for the team.
This should be the first criterion.
If the fans don't like the name , this is a fail.
If the name causes the team more heartache than benefit for any reason , then it fails.
Is "Redskins" a made up problem?
How does it really affect the team?
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There are no Indians on the Redskins team, Probably a few of the players have an Indian chromosome or two, but there are no ethnic Indians. Poor sirs would like t0o use the n word but he is barred from using it publicly by a social taboo . Gotta feel sorry for sirs.
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Yo moron....I have zero desire to use the n-word. I merely point out the hypocrisy of those who use it, while others are condemned for using it
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I really enjoyed it when the Leftist assumed the worst arrogant do-gooder crowd were told to shut the hell up by the Seminole Nation and that damn straight the University of Florida State could use the Seminoles as their battle cry and approved the Indian on the horse on the sidelines of football games. The "everything is about race" crowd rushing in to "save the world" I laughed at!
"Throughout the reservation, loyalty to Florida State is declared on mailboxes with "FSU #1 FAN" stickers, and on pickup trucks with vanity plates"
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/sports/florida-state-can-keep-its-seminoles.html
Watch this video and weep Liberals that were basically told to sit the F down & shut the hell up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQcNEPulVO8
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Does the Seminole tribe have a real relationship with the Seminole football team?
I could like seeing a two way benefit.
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Seminole is a Creek word for "renegade". The Seminoles were the Indians that renounced farming and the White man's ways and the Christian religion and headed south into the swamps of Florida.
I am sure that a few Seminoles have attended Florida State and graduated.
The tradition is to name teams after fierce beasts: Lions, Tigers, Eagles, Wildcats, Panthers, Timber wolves, Bobcats, Bears, and such.
The problem is that there a shortage of fierce beasts. The Moa of New Zealand was eight feet tall, but the Maoris seem to have killed and eaten them before their fierceness was appreciated.
The dinosaur extinction was NOT a boon for those naming pro football teams.
So then they resorted to fierce humans: Vikings, Buccaneers, Pirates. Titans are somehow less convincing than Giants.
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Baseball is less aggressive and honors less aggressive types. cardinals, bluejays, cubs and orioles and even footwear: redsox, whitesox.
Washington himself had slaves, but I imagine that a lot of players would reject the name "Washington Slaves".
What would be a better name for the Redskins? Perhaps in out own small way we could end the controversy by coming up with a better name.
The Washington Lobbyists? The Washington Filibusterers? The Washington Committeemen? The Washington Washintonians?
They could move the Stadium and be the Chevy Chasers. The Prince Georgians would be confusing. Perhaps the Washington Potomacs?
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Those are some good names XO.
I think I have said this before they could be the Washington Rednecks , but we will want them to win more games if they do that.
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They could keep the name and change the logo to a redskin peanut or a redskin potato.