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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on February 22, 2017, 02:47:41 PM
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Americans overwhelmingly oppose sanctuary cities
An overwhelming majority of Americans believe that cities that arrest illegal immigrants for crimes should be required to turn them over to federal authorities.
The poll shows that President Trump has broad public support in his effort to crack down on sanctuary cities.
A survey from Harvard-Harris Poll provided exclusively to The Hill found that 80 percent of voters say local authorities should have to comply with the law by reporting to federal agents the illegal immigrants they come into contact with.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320487-poll-americans-overwhelmingly-oppose-sanctuary-cities
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But do you see this reported with any mainstream authority? Of course not. There's a template that must be adhered to, much like with abortion....blanket the coverage with stories about the "repercussions" of such policy...as if that's the norm
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Thats more likely due to the perceptions of a sanctuary city. I read data they are overall very safe but it only takes one incident to ruin the rep for all sanctuary cities. Notice how little we hear incidents. San francisco had a very famous homicide and has since very lttle happened. Im not too crazy about it but suspect this topic is very biased against it.
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A misrepresented perception, pushed by leftists & the media. And last I looked, messers Los Angeles, San Francisco, & Chicago are hardly "1 incident" safe spaces
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I wonder how the Left would respond if conservative cities decided to be "sanctuary cities" for fed tax evaders,"sanctuary cities" from fed gun control laws, "sanctuary cities" fed crazy snail darter epa rules, "sanctuary cities" from federal housing laws?
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SIRS.....I am sure these Top 10 Most Wanted in LA are all native born American citizens!...Ha Ha
http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted
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Those three cities are still very thriving tourist destinations so obviously it can't be that serious yet.
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Yea, they have areas that are good tourist attactions....and they have areas you wouldn't be caught dead in
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I can only speak about san francisco but it`s going through a constant internal struggle on multiple issues and it`s sanctuary status is not that big a priority. the one advantage is labor which it seriously need since nobody can afford to live here. this might be why it`s it`s sanctuary status.
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Of course its not. None of those sanctuary cities consider that status a priority to deal with. Quite the opposite in fact, in which their fighting to ignore federal law. I did read that the area once known as a great tourist area, up & down Market Street has completely devolved to a point, no tourists would want to traverse thru there, unless they were getting from point A to point B, and had to go thru there
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Market street has been a tourist spot for decades . Only recently its starting to cleanup due the presense of twitter and by finally getting funds to get it clean. The nimby people are fighting it but its hard to argue about aclean market street. I mention how much cleaner chinatown is compared to the business district but nobody want to talk about it. I'm a landlord and im kinda consider the enemy of san francisco . Not many is more critical about san francisco than me
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I'm sure Frisco, as does LA, as does Chicago, as does Detroit, as does a host of other "sanctuary cities" have their upsides. The reality is the proportion of up is degrading with the rise of the down, perpetuated by the horde of criminal element that the sanctuary status is pulling in. I just heard a news report not 1 week ago, discuss just how far Friso had fallen, especially in the Market District. And don't even go near Golden Gate park after the sun sets
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Really? I never had problem in golden gate park and I work in deyoung museum in the very center of it . My only problem is when its dark im scared of tripping. Market street is getting cleaner due to more businesses and less empty stores. The serious problems there has nothing to do with illegals but the homeless and they do not give the impression thier from another country. Funny thing they also hate illegals and feel threaten by them.
I do agree it was an issue in the past which san franciscans refuse to talk about . We used to have serious holloween parties in the gay area call castro but it shut down by violence of certain people. They refuse to say it gang related and of a certain ethnic type which tend to be illegal. But later on the feds had to get involved and take out the largest gang in the city. But we still can't have holloween in the castro.
It seems simple capitalism is expensively fixing san francisco whether they like it or not
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Yea, really. Just reading and listening to the myriad of news reporting the status of crime in these locations.....increasing exponentially with their sanctuary status compared to cities that don't have or push such a status
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Im simply working there and walking around various parts of san francisco. Downtown is dirty and scarey looking but it does not give me fear to avoid these areas. Now hunters point has serious crime and its nothing to do with illegals. Tenderlion is bad and its a different kind of immigrants thats not south of the border. I think the data your reading paints a inaccurate picture. Im not saying san francisco doesnt have problems. It seriously has insane problems but the sanctuary statutus is not on the top of the list.
The people here is so stuckup they wont drink thier own tap water which is so good the mayor once thought of bottling it fir sale. But now due to people not caring the water dept. is cutting down the quality. its so unfriendly here most of the new resident take thier free time out of the city. note most illegals do not want to be caught so thier not as inclined to do anything blatant. Even san francisco has limits
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I'm glad you're working and will continue to pray for your safety. The fact remains that in these so-called "sanctuary cities", the plethora of reporting has reinforced what is largely a logical conclusion, that crime is skyrocketing in sanctuary cities, due in large part their effort to protect actual violent criminals, from Federal law & subsequent deportation
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My critique on that matter is how viable is security to stop it. people who are not even muslim or middle eastern are being stopped and american born citizens are being deported. one would think this means security is very tight but I think security maybe so flawed that the wrong people can get in. I`m using profiling as an example in the drug trade police despite all data tend profile minorities as drug mules but the facts says college girls are used. I say it`ll only tyake a few months observing what demographic get detained to bypass our security. our government may say we use complex methods but as a government employee I got doubts.
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also making america an isolationist country will very likely have some serious drawbacks . ex removing tourism from our economy will be rough .
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I disagree.....on multiple levels. No, we're not trying to become isolationist where we're merely enforcing existing law. Tourism will be just fine. And no, our security is anthing BUT tight, which is why so many people are having such a coniption. When our acutely laxed enforcement of immigration law is seen as the norm, the perception that we're somehow bringing down the guantlet, for shifting to actually enforce our current laws, can be seen as somehow, "over the top". That's an erroneous perception. There's is no massive effort to "show me your papers". Thousands and thousands of people, were coming thru from Muslim countries, just fine, with Trump's 1st EO. There were a few hundred who were merely inconvienienced, but when you listened to the news, the perception is that anyone that largely walked on 2 legs was stopped by ICE or Customs.
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I'm only the pointing isolationist image the us is going toward. You say only a few are inconvenience but only take much to change peoples. Doesn't help a NASA scientist. Did get detained and was made to give access classified data to tsa.
It starting to look like to avoid hassle people should stop traveling to or from the u.s. . You say it's not an issue but normal regular travel is a chore so this is easily a deal breaker to make people avoid an overseas flight
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But see, that's my point....we're not. We're simply enforcing our laws. We're not enacting any new laws. We're not enacting some draconian measures. People have simply gotten used to our Government NOT enforcing our current laws. Well folks, there's a new Sheriff in town
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i`m just pointing out the image and it can be enough to talk a person to save thier money on a expensive trip. I remember my flight to europe was easier than my trip back and had to figure what can be declares or not. my sister was furious i got detained it`s not my fault I got those marin county criminal features.
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There, I can agree......for most on the left, its all about appearance & perception, regardless if its counter to reality. Shall I argue when they randomly picked out my 85year old as-white-as-white-can-be mother in law for "special screening". What were here features? too many suspicious wrinkles? It's polticial correctness that's the true enemy here. It's what these sanctuary cities are trying to hide behind, and screw how much more in danger it puts its citizenry in
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I can only speak about san francisco but it`s going through a constant internal struggle on multiple issues and it`s sanctuary status is not that big a priority. the one advantage is labor which it seriously need since nobody can afford to live here. this might be why it`s it`s sanctuary status.
OK , how indeed do the people who work at a discount live in San Francisco?
Seems as if there is just so much rent or commuting a person could afford, too much and a person can not afford a low paying job?
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to me san francisco is the easiest to find work but the hardest to afford to live in. most commute and pretty sure to cut cost people share spaces. but thats a bandaide . i already hear twitter is losing it`s talent due to housing cost. hints businesses may leave if they can`t retain it`s employees
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.... and if state Democrat legislators pull what they're hinting at pulling, (state version of Obamacare), watch a far greater loss (of middle & upper class folk bailing the state, in advance of the massive tax increase that would be required to cover it) See what businesses can retain anyone then, much less stay viably profitable
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Can't say for california but san francisco for the moment still having people with massive diposable funds to pay any price to live there. Workers on the other hand not so much despite all the negative you may hear the town still has attractive things about it. For me its the food and various used bookstores. I refuse to buy things online since it cannot make me go outside and move around. Every single male friend of mine who buys online is over 200lbs. In a bad way. I'm still losing weight and do not need vitamin d supplements. Anyway san francisco is an excellent place to walk around.
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Never said Frisco didn't have its positives....WAS a great place to visit. Not so much now. And going to get a lot worse
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I will say if it tanks it not from its sanctuary status. It will be from the conflicting policies that confus and endangers the place.
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I respectfully disagree. WHEN it tanks, its sanctuary status will have contributed to its tanking exponentially
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i think we may never know since nothing is blatant in issues about thos town except it has homeless
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...and that it is a predominant self-proclaimed, self-adored sanctuary city
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?? The homeless is a separate issue . You give the impression you would blame all issue to that status and refuse to believe the contrary.
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Not at all. What contributes to increase homelessness? More and more taking in low/no income illegal immigrants, with pretty much no means to pay for anything, thus the need for increased services and increased taxes to support them, driving cots up and the price of homes even higher.
And now Brown & the Democrats want to add mandatory healthcare coverage for them as well??
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Are you.assuming this ? Be ause our homeless situation is caused by no oversight of where the budget goes and the massive cost of housing has drained funds that can go to people. We had an audit over a decade ago and it somehow got shutdown. Our home prices is not from from illegals but from highly restitctive policies that gives no advatages to homeowners that forces them to take advantage of the extemely high demand for homes in this city.
By your reasoning prices should go down not up. If sanctuary was really that bad it woukd be a very welcoming thing for the people of san francisco. Our housing prices is very strong indicator we don't have enough crime
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I'm assuming the basics of math & reality. When a city (or state) embraces anyone that wants to come in illegally, and will even protect them from Federal prosecution for their crime of entering illegally, with many of these illegal immigrants having precious little to support themselves, much less a family, that's a Democrat politician's dream...more potential votes to push for more Government assistance, at a greater cost to tax payers. A win win for the politician, and a lose lose for the middle class
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you were correct excpet for one factor greater tax cost would lower cost to housing not increase it due to deminishing demand which does not exsit in san francisco. I state the visible problem in san francisco is the homeless which existed decades before and not from lack of funds . Housing cost is a greater factor why funds (over 400mil)seems to not to lower the numbers. To say illegals automaticlly get assistance more likely be partially true to the very blatant but most tend to stay enough it seems here in san francisco to not have any real impact.
Im not saying illegals are not a problem but thier not the primary issue to pin everything else to. We got enough idiots that has nothing to do with illegals to blame for that. Example we alwats have money to fix potholes but never use the money for it due to being diverted to pet projects. We actually had a tiger attack due to Laps regulations.
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Our housing prices is very strong indicator we don't have enough crime
Hahahaha!
There is a new thought!
I understand that the last gun shop in the city limits has closed now , is there really so little crime that the demand for pistols is nil?
This is just very outside my experience.
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Crime isn't that low but it hasn't yet effect the residence enough cause people to not leave there like oakland or detroit
Oakland has recently gain a housing price increase due the spillover from san francisco . The demand to live here is so high it's driving the price around everything else. The oakland is still quite scarey to visit but it has pockets of prosperity.