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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on March 07, 2007, 07:43:59 PM
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http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=254264>1=7701
Captain America has been shot by a sniper.
I wouldn't be surprised if this were a "New Coke " ploy for activateing public awareness of Captain America shortly before his movie is made.
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Maybe they'll bring back Bucky Barnes, too.
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By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, he shall be avenged
dibs on the shield
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sockamagee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to buy it last night the clerk almost strangled me for asking.
that comic is sold out
not sure I would buy the second printing.
since that link already stated how he died.
I`m guessing he`ll get better later on due to that supersoldier serum.
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As I understand it, there are no plans for a second printing.
I am guessing that the Marvel version of the U.S. government will do as it did once when Steve Rogers stepped down as Captain America, and assign the role to someone else.
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the comic sold out less than a day
unless they`ve been holding out on the 1st ed. they`re gonna print a 2nd ed. to met demand
it`s all about the money.
I`m out of touch with the marvel universe
who can they recruit?
I got no idea who qualify nowadays
except for manthing are there any people out there with the supersoldier serum in them.
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Well, they might try to recruit a known person in the Marvel universe. Or they might create a new character. Or they might use a clone of Steve Rogers. Or maybe someone else in the Marvel universe will voluntarily try to step to the role. There has been speculation that Frank Castle would take up the mantle (hey, that rhymes), but that seems unlikely to me.
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frank castle just seems wrong for it
but maybe a whole charater to replace cap may happen and he`ll royally suck
which 12 months from now the original will comaback and retake his oldjob
and that character will off into a captain america variant
(the star spangle avenger,U.S. crusader,freedom dude,american patriot)
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Well, from what I've heard, Captain America is not dead after all. He's wounded, and hidden away, letting those who tried to assassinate him think that he's dead. Sweet cuppin' cakes! That didn't last long.
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I know its not hollywood but they really need to do something about clamping down on these spoiler leaks.
it`s not like comics are doing great nowadays
marvel at least has it`s movies to keep them afloat for now.
ghost rider is a rental movie i heard.
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It's not a leak. As I understand it, this unsurprising little twist was revealed in the one-shot comic book Civil War: the Initiative, in comic stores as of this past Wednesday.
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do you folow the civil war series?
I kinda skiped all of it
too many issues for me to buy
can you give a run down on it?
something about ironman going hogwild or something
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do you folow the civil war series?
The internet is a wonderful thing. I was able to follow the main plot points without buying a single issue. The quickest way to catch up on the basic story is to head on over to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_%28Marvel_Comics%29. The synopsis there is brief but generally accurate. It doesn't include the tie-ins, but there are links to Wikipedia pages for a few of those.
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thanks i forgot about wiki
it`s the tie-ins that made me limit my comics purchase
it got way out of hand for me
alot of my friends quit comics for that very reason
we just don`t to buy a dozen comics a month for one story line
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Both Marvel and DC generally publish major story arcs in collected form. They are called trade paperbacks I think. Many people wait for the trade paperbacks because the overall cost for the whole story is less, and of course they can be read from beginning to end without the long delays between issues.
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The real meaning of Capt America:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-heilbrunn9mar09,0,3196717.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
Captain America, RIP
What the comic book hero's career, and demise, say about our country.
By Jacob Heilbrunn
JACOB HEILBRUNN, a former Times editorial writer, is completing a book on neoconservatism.
March 9, 2007
FORGET THE endless congressional debates about Iraq. The most telling measure of America's current distemper can be found in a more mundane place — in the gory assassination of Captain America in issue No. 25, which hit the stands Wednesday.
The startling demise of Captain America, who until recently had been leading an underground insurgency against a government 9/11-style "Superhuman Registration Act" that forced superheroes to divulge their secret identities, captures the growing sense that America itself is floundering in the war on terrorism.
That message hasn't been missed by conservatives such as Michael Medved, who complains that Captain America is setting a terrible example for America's youth by turning soft on terrorism and is "anti-American." But a look at Captain America's evolution over the decades suggests he should not be dismissed so easily. In fact, Marvel Comics has almost always had a perfect feel for America and its moods.
Over the years, Captain America's story has accurately reflected U.S. attitudes, as our country moved from the self-confidence of the early Cold War to the guilt-ridden angst of the 1970s to the revival of national pride that characterized the Reagan 1980s.
Unlike Superman, who was created in the midst of the Depression, Captain America was a direct product of the fight against Nazism. The creation of Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, the comic debuted in 1941, just months before the U.S. officially entered World War II.
A prototypical 99-pound weakling who suffers the ultimate humiliation of being rejected as too frail for military service and stamped 4-F, Steve Rogers promptly volunteers for a U.S. government experiment run by a scientist code-named Professor Reinstein, who is concocting a "super serum" to create a new cadre of soldiers.
Rogers, whose wimpiness makes him the perfect candidate, is whisked away to a secret laboratory in Washington, where he is injected with the super serum and zapped with "vita-rays." Rogers, however, remains the New Deal everyman in spirit. He has the ability to bench press 800 pounds, amazing agility and indomitable willpower — but no supernatural powers. His only weapons are his fists and his invulnerable shield.
Captain America and his sidekick, Bucky Barnes, are sent off to battle the Nazis, and throughout the war, they daringly go behind the lines to administer a pasting to Hitler and his minions. It is only near the end of the war that Rogers and Bucky fall from a Nazi plane into the Arctic.
In the 1950s, a few issues appeared, but the strip went nowhere as comics focused on horror stories. It took Marvel mastermind Stan Lee to revive Captain America. In 1964, Captain America, who had been frozen in a block of ice, is fished out of the North Atlantic by the new superhero group "The Avengers." They realize that Captain America had remained in a state of suspended animation that prevented him from aging.
Initially, Rogers, the perfect square, fits in perfectly with the early 1960s Cold War ethos, battling the bad guys who seek to destroy the American way of life. But it was only when Rogers' complacent view of U.S. society and government was undermined by the Vietnam War and the rise of the counterculture that the comic book really took off. By the mid-1970s, the credulous square had been replaced by a disillusioned cynic. The brilliantly imaginative writer Steve Englehart had Captain America exposing a kind of Watergate — a "Secret Empire," complete with a Committee to Regain America's Principles (CRAP), in a play on Nixon's real-life Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP).
The Secret Empire series reaches its climax with Captain America racing into the White House to apprehend the leader of the Secret Empire, only to discover to his horror that the leader is, in fact, the president himself — Richard Nixon, of course, although he's not depicted. A disillusioned and heartbroken Captain America hangs up his uniform and shield to adopt a new persona — "Nomad." Like the U.S. itself, Nomad is in search of his true identity now that the ideals he once believed in have been besmirched.
By the 1980s, the crisis is over. In truth, by this time, Marvel Comics had turned Captain America into something of a neoconservative. Marvel caught the rah-rah spirit of the Reagan years, offering a stirring retelling by the traditionally minded artist John Byrne of Captain America's origins in its 40th anniversary issue in 1981. The issue, which features a 1940s-style heroic cover, ends with a contemporary Captain America returning to his Brooklyn apartment, wondering whether it's actually worth the effort to be a superhero. Then the television blares forth the strains of "The Star Spangled Banner." "It's worth it," Captain America proudly says to himself. The time for questioning authority has passed.
Cut to 2007. Today, in his latest incarnation, Captain America has morphed yet again, this time into the champion of the common man — defending individual liberty against an oppressive government that he once loyally served. To his credit, he calls on his troops to surrender once he sees the general devastation taking place in Manhattan. "We're not fighting for the people anymore," he says. "We're just fighting." Sound familiar?
Gunned down by a mysterious sniper in the latest issue as he's entering a Manhattan federal courthouse to be arraigned, Captain America symbolizes the death of the American dream. Can he and it come back? Of course! Captain America will no doubt be resurrected as soon as the country has recovered from its current fiasco. Until then, it seems hard to believe that the dark world portrayed by Marvel won't be sharply at odds with the heroic Army advertisement featured on the back of issue No. 25 of Captain America.
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There are few things Stephen King hasn't tried when it comes to his work. He's already the master of horror fiction, a tour guide through disturbing and fantastical worlds, a writing coach, a nonfiction author, a screen writer and even a director.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070311/ap_en_ot/books_stephen_king
He can now claim a new genre with the recent Marvel Entertainment comics publication "The Dark Tower," based on his books of the same name.
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"The Dark Tower" is good reading untill the very end then at the end he drops the ball.
If he can come up with a new ending this could be a great comic.
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http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/americas.html
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