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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Mucho on April 04, 2007, 01:28:11 PM
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This musta really embarrassed the Bushidiot as well, no?
Wednesday, Apr 4, 2007
Posted on Sun, Apr. 01, 2007
Lawmakers visit Syria to discuss ties
By ALBERT AJI
U.S. House members meeting with President Bashar Assad Sunday said they believed there was an opportunity for dialogue with the Syrian leadership.
The U.S. House members, who included Virginia Republican Frank Wolf, Pennsylvania Republican Joe Pitts and Alabama Republican Robert Aderholt, also said they had raised with Syrian officials the issue of stopping the alleged flow of foreign fighters from Syria to Iraq.
In a statement issued by the U.S. Embassy in Damascus, the congressmen said they had talked about "ending support for Hezbollah and Hamas, recognizing Israel's right to exist in peace and security, and ceasing interference in Lebanon."
"We came because we believe there is an opportunity for dialogue," the statement said. "We are following in the lead of Ronald Reagan, who reached out to the Soviets during the Cold War," it added.
Syria's official news agency said Assad discussed U.S.-Syria relations and the latest developments in the Middle East with the representatives.
Despite the poor relationship between the two countries stemming from disagreements over Iraq and suspected Syrian support for militant groups, there have been recent calls in the U.S. to engage Syria.
Earlier this year, a bipartisan U.S. commission initially proposed by Wolf recommended the Bush administration launch new diplomatic initiatives with both Syria and Iran, something it has refused to do.
The congressional delegation met earlier in the day with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem, who expressed Syria's desire to bring security and stability to the Middle East and called for dialogue with the U.S., SANA reported.
He said discussions between the two countries could produce "common stands conducive to putting an end to current crises in the region."
The visit came ahead of one on Tuesday by the leader of the U.S. House of Representatives, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the highest-ranking politician to visit Damascus since relations began souring in 2003.
Pelosi, heading a congressional delegation, is on a fact-finding trip to the Middle East that includes visits to Israel, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. Her trip comes as the Democratic majority in Congress is locked in a battle with President George W. Bush over strategy in Iraq.
Washington and Damascus have not been on friendly terms in recent years. Washington has accused Syria of allowing Islamic militants to cross its border into Iraq, supporting Palestinian militants and funneling arms to the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.
Relations deteriorated significantly in early 2005 when Washington withdrew its Syrian ambassador to protest the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, who was killed in a Beirut truck bombing that his supporters blamed on Syria. Syria has denied involvement.
The U.S. delegation traveled to Jordan after their talks with Syrian officials.
http://www.thestate.com/372/v-print/story/24186.html
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I'm not sure it embarrassed Bush, but perhaps it embarrassed her feminist supporters.
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I'm not sure it embarrassed Bush, but perhaps it embarrassed her feminist supporters.
What a weird thing to say. Watching the word's most powerful woman upstaging the world's most powerful & evil man ( Bush , not Assad for your benefit)wouldn't embarrass a feminist.
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Well i doubt she is the world's most powerful woman, no more than Hastert was the world's most powerful man.
And I'm trying to remember photos of Rice or Albright all scarved up and bowing to the patriarchy whilst in the Middle East.
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And I'm trying to remember photos of Rice or Albright all scarved up and bowing to the patriarchy whilst in the Middle East.
D'OH....oooh that hurt
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Well i doubt she is the world's most powerful woman, no more than Hastert was the world's most powerful man.
And I'm trying to remember photos of Rice or Albright all scarved up and bowing to the patriarchy whilst in the Middle East.
Being sensitive to other peoples culture is only a weakness to jingoistic yahoos such as youhoo. I bet Hastert is the world's most powerful smelling man the world .
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I guess your verdict is that Madeline Albright was not sensitive to world culture.
And your remark about Hastert is reminiscent of a thrid graders retort.
I guess you are improving just a bit.
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I guess your verdict is that Madeline Albright was not sensitive to world culture.
And your remark about Hastert is reminiscent of a thrid graders retort.
I guess you are improving just a bit.
You know nothing of Madelyn Albright. She would be sensitive to other cultures. Feminists are not as stupid as Repubs and understand that people are different. As to my supposed 3rd grade remark: Being a sensitive guy such as I am ,I like to speak on the level of those to whom I am speaking and I was speaking to you.
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http://www.mahablog.com/2007/04/04/pelosi-wears-scarf-righties-bark-at-moon/
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http://www.mahablog.com/2007/04/04/pelosi-wears-scarf-righties-bark-at-moon/
Thanx , Lanya. They never seem to grow weary of being wrong in defense of their uberfuehrer.
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They never seem to grow weary of being wrong in defense of their uberfuehrer.
You mean being wrong about Republicans "being sensitive to other peoples [sic] culture"? Oh, wait, that was you.
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http://www.mahablog.com/2007/04/04/pelosi-wears-scarf-righties-bark-at-moon/
It's one thing to wear a scarf to a mosque or a church, it is quite another to wear a scarf to market.
Perhaps she was just having a bad hair day.
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http://www.mahablog.com/2007/04/04/pelosi-wears-scarf-righties-bark-at-moon/
It's one thing to wear a scarf to a mosque or a church, it is quite another to wear a scarf to market.
Perhaps she was just having a bad hair day.
Do you worry about such petty shit to keep your feeble minds off of how badly the Bushidiot&you have fucked things up ?
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You know, the view never changes when you are at the rear of the intellectual train...
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Do you worry about such petty shit to keep your feeble minds off of how badly the Bushidiot&you have fucked things up ?
Not worried about Pelosi in the least. And since she took the trip and is the one wearing the scarves going to market, i don't see what Bush has to do with it.
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One of my high school friends couldn't believe all this fuss over scarves.
She was in charge of getting her 10 brothers and sisters ready for mass every week, and in case there weren't enough chapel caps, her mom kept Kleenex in the car so the girls could wear that into church. If I went to mass with a friend, I wore a scarf.
Tradition and respect is important, especially for someone talking to a head of state.
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Do you wear scarves to the grocery store?
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Scarves are a huge deal to Muslims. I fail to see the point of it, but they do.
Of course, to refuse to wear a scarf is to make as big a deal of wearing one as they do of not wearing one.
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I don't wear scarves at all anymore, not even to mass. If I lived in a country/region where I'd stick out or give offense by not wearing one, I'd wear one.
I think it was a nice gesture for Pelosi. It neither broke her bones nor picked her pocket---nor ours.
From Corinthians:
"But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head—it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil.
"For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels....If any one is disposed to be contentious, we recognize no other practice, nor do the churches of God." (1 Corinthians 11:3-10,16)
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The thing is the feminists were all over the forced wearing of burkas etc in everyday life.
You yourself as well as Terra posted articles about Afghani women being forced to wear burkas again after the Taliban was overthrown.
I don't have a problem with her wearing a scarve to the mosque. But why did she feel obligated to wear one to the market.
Symbolism being what it is , is she sending the wrong message?
Seems like a disconnect. But i also guess it is ok if you are a democrat.
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I agree, Lanya. Wearing a scarve in such a culture is only appropriate. And, don't Moslem women wear them EVERYWHERE?
I see this as "majoring in the minors", e.g. worrying about scarves versus the warped purpose of the trip itself.
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I see this as "majoring in the minors", e.g. worrying about scarves versus the warped purpose of the trip itself.
BINGO !! Give that man a scarf
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I'm sure it is no surprise that I am supportive of opening dialogue with Syria.
However, I am NOT supportive of Pelosi going into Syria and making inaccurate and unauthorized statements on the behalf of the United States and Israel just to "show up" Bush. And while I am not a fan of Bush's foreign policy, I hardly think that Pelosi should be running around the Middle East as a representative of the U.S. when her message is not on par with the message Bush would like to send.
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I'm sure it is no surprise that I am supportive of opening dialogue with Syria.
However, I am NOT supportive of Pelosi going into Syria and making inaccurate and unauthorized statements on the behalf of the United States and Israel just to "show up" Bush. And while I am not a fan of Bush's foreign policy, I hardly think that Pelosi should be running around the Middle East as a representative of the U.S. when her message is not on par with the message Bush would like to send.
It doesnt take anything to show up the Bushidiot because he screws up everything and any message is better than the jingoistic cowboy nonsense he blurts. Even the crybaby Repub Congrassman Darrell Issa knows Bush is an idiot and he actually was more critical of Bush when he was just in Syria after Pelosi.
http://www.washingtoncritic.com/?p=469
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It doesnt take anything to show up the Bushidiot because he screws up everything and any message is better than the jingoistic cowboy nonsense he blurts.
Gee, what a surprise. Knutty supports illegal actions by Democrats. Why am I not surprised?
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It doesnt take anything to show up the Bushidiot because he screws up everything and any message is better than the jingoistic cowboy nonsense he blurts. Even the crybaby Repub Congrassman Darrell Issa knows Bush is an idiot and he actually was more critical of Bush when he was just in Syria after Pelosi.
http://www.washingtoncritic.com/?p=469
If Bush wants to look like an idiot or make an ass out of himself, that's his prerogative. It's not Pelosi's place to do it for him. Sorry, perhaps it's overly simplistic, but the fact of the matter is - like it or not - Bush is the President. The Dems will have their turn again.
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The Dems will have their turn again.
It's their election to lose. And it looks like they are trying their damndest to do just that.
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So true, BT, but this Iraqi debacle overshadows everything, I am afraid.
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So true, BT, but this Iraqi debacle overshadows everything, I am afraid.
I don't think Bush can run again.
And i don't think Thompson, Guilliani, Romney or the Newtster had much to do with the execution of the war.
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So true, BT, but this Iraqi debacle overshadows everything, I am afraid.
I don't think Bush can run again. And i don't think Thompson, Guilliani, Romney or the Newtster had much to do with the execution of the war.
It's that dreaded "R" after their names. That proclaims how bad they really are, regardless of if they had anything to do with the war. You heard that they want all women to die of cancer, right?
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So true, BT, but this Iraqi debacle overshadows everything, I am afraid.
I don't think Bush can run again.
And i don't think Thompson, Guilliani, Romney or the Newtster had much to do with the execution of the war.
So true, but the Democrats have doing a good job at putting a "R" over the issue.
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So true, but the DEms have doen a good job at putting a "R" over the issue.
Kinda hard to do that when a lot of D votes authorized and funded the war. But it's like i said, if they want to think the American people that stupid, that can be their mistake.
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Kinda hard to do that when a lot of D votes authorized and funded the war. But it's like i said, if they want to think the American people that stupid, that can be their mistake.
Agreed....BUT.....when do you ever see anyone from the mainscream media facilitate that line? All I seem to get is 24/7 doom & gloom, all the cause of Bush & co., and by the way he's a Republican. But your point is absolutely valid, in that the Dems are likely hoping such a 24/7 distorted view, propogated by the likes of the mainscream media and its Cafferty-like pundits, are indeed able to dupe the American populace into believing that this supposed Iraq debacle is not just Bush, but is all GOP caused
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I think the American People are also wise to the MSM.
The way i look at it even though the MSM speaks to the masses, decisions on their credibility are made one by one. Point counterpoint dialogs are key.
Never let a lie, misrepresentation or distortion pass unchallenged.
Consider it your duty.
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The way i look at it even though the MSM speaks to the masses, decisions on their credibility are made one by one. Point counterpoint dialogs are key. Never let a lie, misrepresentation or distortion pass unchallenged. Consider it your duty.
I'll do my part