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Title: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Lanya on August 25, 2007, 06:55:55 PM
    

In obscenity-laced tirade, Ted Nugent jokes of killing Obama, calls Clinton a 'bitch'
Nick Juliano
Published: Friday August 24, 2007

At a recent stop on his "Love Grenade 2007 Shrapnel Tour," rocker Ted Nugent tossed some rhetorical bombs at a few top Democrats, and the possible future gubernatorial candidate joked about executing the most prominent African American politician in a generation.

"Obama, he's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun," Nugent said in front of a screaming crowd as he brandishes what appear to be two large assault rifles. He was referring to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination and would become the first black man to occupy the Oval Office.

In a video from a recent performance posted on LiveLeak, Nugent, a prominent pro-gun advocate, paced the stage with a machine gun in each hand as the crowd eggs on his increasingly vulgar tirades.

The video appeared Friday, but the date and venue of the performance is unclear. Nugent performed Thursday in Jackson, California, while a comment left on a YouTube post said that it was taken from an Anaheim performance last Tuesday.

"Hey Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset you worthless bitch," Nugent said, brandishing his weapons.

He also went after Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), suggesting she, too, might like to "suck on my machine gun." Nugent's tirade against California's other Democratic Senator, Diane Feinstein, is too garbled to transcribe, but one can hear Nugent call her a "whore."

In a recent profile, Nugent tried to paint a different picture of himself than his videotaped comments would suggest.

"I am almost Ward Cleaver-ish, but with more guns and enthusiasm," Nugent said in an e-mail interview with the El Paso Times. One imagines that tirades like the one posted Friday would make the whole Cleaver clan blush.

An avid hunter, Nugent has been politically active as an opponent of gun control laws and he is a board member of the National Rifle Association. He has considered trying to take his political activism all the way to the Governor's Mansion in his native Michigan.

"That would be beautiful," Nugent said when asked by Reuters if he would run for governor in 2010. "I have threatened to do so and I was sincere."
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/In_obscenitylaced_tirade_Ted_Nugent_jokes_0824.html
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Plane on August 25, 2007, 06:59:01 PM
  Indeed, very like the Dixie Chicks , but why didn't he go to Europe to berate these Politicians?


   I wish he had asked me first , I would have told him that this sort of tantrum doesn't harm the object of wrath nearly so much as it ricochets to cripple the career of the tantrumiser.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: crocat on August 25, 2007, 07:04:43 PM
Looking back into a place 'long ago and far away,' I do believe there was a rumor about them killing puppies  at one of the rock concerts.   me thinks he does not give a rats red ass about his 'reputation,' more like he revels in it.

Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Plane on August 25, 2007, 07:15:22 PM
Looking back into a place 'long ago and far away,' I do believe there was a rumor about them killing puppies  at one of the rock concerts.   me thinks he does not give a rats red ass about his 'reputation,' more like he revels in it.




So he is less vunerable than the Dixie Chicks were?


I suppose you may have a good point there , the demographic that listens to Ted Nugent will not feel betrayed by this display of pique , they may reward him.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 25, 2007, 07:42:02 PM
Compare what exactly? 
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Plane on August 25, 2007, 07:54:20 PM
Compare what exactly? 


Gtting on stage befre a paying audience to make a political statement.

In the US or in Europe.


Loud and raunchy or loud and plain.


Pandeing to the audience or pandering to the audience.


Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 25, 2007, 07:59:00 PM
Compare what exactly? 
Gtting on stage befre a paying audience to make a political statement.

In the US or in Europe.

Loud and raunchy or loud and plain.

Pandeing to the audience or pandering to the audience.

Ahhhhhhh, gotcha.  Thanks Plane     ;)
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: yellow_crane on August 25, 2007, 08:59:45 PM
Looking back into a place 'long ago and far away,' I do believe there was a rumor about them killing puppies  at one of the rock concerts.   me thinks he does not give a rats red ass about his 'reputation,' more like he revels in it.




So he is less vunerable than the Dixie Chicks were?


I suppose you may have a good point there , the demographic that listens to Ted Nugent will not feel betrayed by this display of pique , they may reward him.



I always thought Ted Nugent killed little mammels with a bow and arrow.

Turns out he does, but he also uses an arrow to pick his teeth after he eats them raw.

You have to go a long way to find someone as despicable as Ted Nugest.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: BT on August 26, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
Nugent has a different fan base than the Chicks did. He also has a talk show so people are used to him "expressing his opinions" strongly.

And it would be a bit odd for the people who thought the treatment of the Chicks was so unfair to demand censure of Nugent.

Kind of a Catch -22.


Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Universe Prince on August 26, 2007, 01:34:57 AM
Seems to me this is less like the Dixie Chicks and more like the columnist who wondered where all the assassins of presidents have gone at the end of a column complaining about President Bush.

Who takes Ted Nugent seriously anyway?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Lanya on August 26, 2007, 11:52:31 AM
It's OK if you're a Republican, yes?   
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: BT on August 26, 2007, 12:03:48 PM
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It's OK if you're a Republican, yes?

What's OK?



Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 26, 2007, 12:59:45 PM
My question as well.  Lanya?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: crocat on August 26, 2007, 01:58:55 PM
Compare what exactly? 


Getting on stage before a paying audience to make a political statement.

In the US or in Europe.


Loud and raunchy or loud and plain.


Pandering to the audience or pandering to the audience.





That said... the comparison is that the Dixie Chicks somehow misjudged their 'real' audience.  After doing so, they tended to whine and then put on the air of not really caring.  Something that their 'history' didn't hold up.

Ted has spent his whole career with his middle finger in the air.  How can you punish someone that tells you repeatedly that they don't really care what you think?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Universe Prince on August 26, 2007, 02:16:42 PM

It's OK if you're a Republican, yes?


Taking Ted Nugent seriously is okay if you're Republican? Um, I don't really know. Do political parties really need to be involved in that discussion?

I guess I don't understand why anyone gives a flying fish what Ted Nugent thinks. Is he a relevant contributor to the public debate? I had the impression he was a "Hey! Look at me! Ain't I weird!" sort of fellow. Was I wrong? I was under the impression once that the Dixie Chicks were a girl band of some sort, but I found out later they were an influential, anti-American rebel group out to undermine the troops' morale with songs like "Travellin' Soldier". So I could be wrong about Ted Nugent too... but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Richpo64 on August 26, 2007, 02:41:59 PM
The difference is, Ted Nugent has been attacked for years by liberals. He's even had his life threatened by some limp-wristed internet liberals. The Chicks (who's music I loved) were never threatened by anyone. They ran off to Europe and acted tough. The people spoke, and now they're done.

Ted has a right to his attitude toward the twisted left in this country. He finally went off. Good for him. Tell 'em were to stuff it Ted.

WANGO TANGO!!!!
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: yellow_crane on August 26, 2007, 09:32:27 PM
The difference is, Ted Nugent has been attacked for years by liberals. He's even had his life threatened by some limp-wristed internet liberals. The Chicks (who's music I loved) were never threatened by anyone. They ran off to Europe and acted tough. The people spoke, and now they're done.

Ted has a right to his attitude toward the twisted left in this country. He finally went off. Good for him. Tell 'em were to stuff it Ted.

WANGO TANGO!!!!
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Nugent takes it in his fundament.

He huffs and puffs to disguise his faggotry.

Psychologists everywhere where it counts have determined that while a male may be a fan of Teddy and not have conscious knowledge of his Brokeback prediliction, on the subconscious level his mind will pick it up, making that fan a passive if not active homosexual.  Usually this dynamic reveals a closeted pajarita who beats his chest and threatens, even when it is absurd to do so, all in a desparate game to hide his pansy.

From where the sun now stands, I will call him Tedpo--po being the homosexual secret password for the word "poo."



Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Richpo64 on August 26, 2007, 09:35:14 PM
>>He huffs and puffs to disguise his faggotry.<<

Isn't funny how leftists/communists make laws to protect homosexuals and condemn anyone who makes a joke using the word "fag," but when they reach the bottom of the barrel for an insult (the barrel is really deep for leftists) they call someone a fag?

Just more hypocrisy on parade.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 26, 2007, 09:56:39 PM
Lanya?  Still looking for clarity on your part
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 26, 2007, 11:35:50 PM
Nugent has a different fan base than the Chicks did. He also has a talk show so people are used to him "expressing his opinions" strongly.

And it would be a bit odd for the people who thought the treatment of the Chicks was so unfair to demand censure of Nugent.

Kind of a Catch -22.




I won't be one of these alleged people that you are talking about; but I will be one of the people who is continually disgusted and repulsed by those who will shrug at his comments whilst being totally offended by the Dixie Chick's comment.

Nugent says, "Hey, Hillary, suck on this, you bitch!" and Natalie Maines said, "I just want y'all to know that we're ashamed that the President is from our state."

Admittedly, Ted Nugent is playing bars and is certifiably psychotic (in fact, that's an insult to certified psychotics everywhere) and isn't worth the one bullet it would take to kill him but this isn't about him or his comments.  It is about who WE are.  WE don't do that.   We don't even joke about killing elected officials.  That undermines democracy and the idea of a republic.

Maines' comments weren't even an attack.  It was her opinion.  Nugents' comments have gotten ZERO negative comments from any on the right here as far as I've read.  Yet there were cries of disgust and outrage from those on the right when Maines made her, by comparison, overly benign comment.

And FYI, the locale of the comment has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 26, 2007, 11:39:49 PM
Ted has a right to his attitude toward the twisted left in this country. He finally went off. Good for him. Tell 'em were to stuff it Ted.

I love forums where people are free to voice their opinion that anyone in government they don't like should be killed.

Hey, Rich, how would you like to see Hillary, Barak, Edwards and the rest killed?  Bullets to the brain ok?  Or would you like to see something a little slower?

Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Richpo64 on August 26, 2007, 11:42:51 PM
>>Hey, Rich, how would you like to see Hillary, Barak, Edwards and the rest killed?  Bullets to the brain ok? <<

I'm hoping the Clintons take care of it some time soon. People they don't like have a habit of ending up dead. Take Buddy the dog for instance. He knew to much, and was "hit by a car."

 ;D
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 26, 2007, 11:46:57 PM
Brass, with all due respect, the issue here is does he have a right to spew garbage?  You apparently had no problem when the Chicks did it.....in another country.  (And when Garrafalo did it, and when the Baldwins did it, and when the Sheens did it, and when Glover did it, and when J Roberts did it, and when Streisand continually does it.  I think you were even miffed at the idea that those who ususally listen to the Chicks, might stop buying their albums.  Am I not correct?  Are you supporting a double standard here??
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: BT on August 26, 2007, 11:50:49 PM
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I won't be one of these alleged people that you are talking about; but I will be one of the people who is continually disgusted and repulsed by those who will shrug at his comments whilst being totally offended by the Dixie Chick's comment.

Wasn't bothered by the Chicks comments either.

The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. ~ Hubert H Humphry
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Richpo64 on August 26, 2007, 11:59:39 PM
>>whilst being totally offended by the Dixie Chick's comment.<<

I wasn't offended by their comments, frankly I was shocked.

I was a HUGE chicks fan. Hell, I was even a member of their fan club (got you first dibs on concert tickets and such). I even went to see them after they made their dumbass comments. I haven't listened to them since, nor did I buy their latest album.

What they did more than anything else was insult and alienate their fans. Most of us decided we didn't want to support artists who didn't support us. So now the chicks are history. To damn bad. They asked for it.

As for Ted, as I said before, he's taken shit form those people for years. For people on the left to act all holier than thou after what they've said about Republicans (see sirs list) is just another example of the hypocrisy of the left.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 12:02:57 AM
Brass, with all due respect, the issue here is does he have a right to spew garbage?  You apparently had no problem when the Chicks did it.....in another country.  (And when Garrafalo did it, and when the Baldwins did it, and when the Sheens did it, and when Glover did it, and when J Roberts did it, and when Streisand continually does it.  I think you were even miffed at the idea that those who ususally listen to the Chicks, might stop buying their albums.  Am I not correct?  Are you supporting a double standard here??

Spewing garbage is a cute way of describing Nugent expressing his opinion that he wants to kill Democratic nominees.

What happened to those on the right that went to such lengths to harass anyone hear who said they hope nothing happens to Bush because they didn't want Cheney to be president?  Where are those people who felt that those on the left who said that actually WANTED Bush to be killed?  Where are those righties tonight?

If Nugent had said, "I'm ashamed of Hillary, Obama, et al, " then I'd have no problem but that's NOT what he said, is it?

Who is supporting the double standard here, sirs?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 12:05:18 AM
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I won't be one of these alleged people that you are talking about; but I will be one of the people who is continually disgusted and repulsed by those who will shrug at his comments whilst being totally offended by the Dixie Chick's comment.

Wasn't bothered by the Chicks comments either.

The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. ~ Hubert H Humphry

So, you would have not the teensiest problem with someone onthe left saying that Bush should be shot in the head and his body dragged through the streets of DC?  That wouldn't phase you in the least?*

*Not saying he should, mind you.  Just curious about BT's line of demarcation on free speech.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 12:10:19 AM
>>whilst being totally offended by the Dixie Chick's comment.<<

I wasn't offended by their comments, frankly I was shocked.

I was a HUGE chicks fan. Hell, I was even a member of their fan club (got you first dibs on concert tickets and such). I even went to see them after they made their dumbass comments. I haven't listened to them since, nor did I buy their latest album.

What they did more than anything else was insult and alienate their fans. Most of us decided we didn't want to support artists who didn't support us. So now the chicks are history. To damn bad. They asked for it.

As for Ted, as I said before, he's taken shit form those people for years. For people on the left to act all holier than thou after what they've said about Republicans (see sirs list) is just another example of the hypocrisy of the left.


At the 49th Grammy Awards Show in 2007, the Chicks, as they are informally known, won all five categories for which they were nominated, including the coveted Song, Record, and Album of the Year, in a vote Maines interprets as partly a statement for free speech.[3]

Despite minimal airplay, Taking the Long Way debuted at number one on both the U.S. pop albums chart and the U.S. country albums chart, selling 526,000 copies in the first week (the year's second-best such total for any country act) and making it a gold record within its first week. The Chicks became the first female group in chart history to have three albums debut at #1.[28]

In Europe, both singles from their Taking the Long Way were well received by country radio, remaining on the European Country Charts for more than 20 weeks each: Not Ready To Make Nice peaked at #13 and Everybody Knows at #11.[29]

The group's Accidents & Accusations Tour began in July 2006. Ticket sales were strong in Canada and in some Northeastern markets, but notably weak in other areas. A number of shows were cancelled or relocated to smaller venues due to poor sales, and in Houston, Texas, tickets never even went on sale when local radio stations refused to accept advertising for the event.[30] In August, a re-routed tour schedule was announced with a greater emphasis on Canadian dates, where Taking the Long Way had gone five-times-platinum. The tour's shows themselves generally refrained from any explicit verbal political comments, letting the music, especially the central performance of Not Ready to Make Nice, speak for itself. At a Nov. 5, 2006 concert in Calgary, Alberta the Chicks received a thunderous ovation when the song was over, and the band held up a handwritten sign from a fan that read "Nobody likes a nasty Bush."

During 2006, the Dixie Chicks became the first major band to hire a designated blogger to be embedded with them for their promotional activities and tour. They partnered with Microsoft and hired Junichi Semitsu, a Professor of Law at the University of San Diego, to write first-hand accounts for their Accidents & Accusations Tour at the website http://dixiechicks.msn.com.[31] MSN broadcasted an entire live concert, called "Scene of the Crime", of the Dixie Chicks' return to Shepherds Bush, England, the site of "The Incident". Toward the end of the concert Natalie said from the stage, "Everyone has been asking me what I'm going to say and well, I guess it can't hurt to repeat myself. I'm ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas," which was met with thunderous applause and cheers.


In 2006, Taking the Long Way was the ninth best-selling album in the United States. It won the 2007 Grammy Award for Best Album, Best Record, and Best Song (for "Not Ready To Make Nice") - 14 years since one artist or group last swept those three awards[32] - and Best Country Album on February 11, 2007. After their Grammy win the Dixie Chicks album Taking the Long Way hit #8 on Billboard 200 and #1 on the country album charts and the song of the year winning Not Ready to Make Nice re-entered the charts at #4 on the Hot 100.

The music video for "Not Ready to Make Nice" was nominated for the 2007 CMT Music Video Awards in the categories of "Video of the Year" and "Group Video of the Year," however, the video did not win in its nominated categories.[33]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks#Continued_success_with_a_.22non-commercial.22_sound
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 12:11:34 AM
Brass, with all due respect, the issue here is does he have a right to spew garbage?  You apparently had no problem when the Chicks did it.....in another country.  (And when Garrafalo did it, and when the Baldwins did it, and when the Sheens did it, and when Glover did it, and when J Roberts did it, and when Streisand continually does it.  I think you were even miffed at the idea that those who ususally listen to the Chicks, might stop buying their albums.  Am I not correct?  Are you supporting a double standard here??

Any of these people insinuate or state plainly that Bush should be killed or shot?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: BT on August 27, 2007, 12:17:43 AM
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So, you would have not the teensiest problem with someone onthe left saying that Bush should be shot in the head and his body dragged through the streets of DC?  That wouldn't phase you in the least?*

Nope.

The Secret Service might have a problem with it, though.

Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 12:29:56 AM
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So, you would have not the teensiest problem with someone onthe left saying that Bush should be shot in the head and his body dragged through the streets of DC?  That wouldn't phase you in the least?*

Nope.

The Secret Service might have a problem with it, though.

Do you think that political opponents should be shot?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: BT on August 27, 2007, 01:20:01 AM
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Do you think that political opponents should be shot?

Nope

I don't believe i have ever advocated that.

I wouldn't mind seeing some of them being administered truth serum.

But I'm sure that is just a fantasy.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 02:52:17 AM
Brass, with all due respect, the issue here is does he have a right to spew garbage?  You apparently had no problem when the Chicks did it.....in another country.  (And when Garrafalo did it, and when the Baldwin's did it, and when the Sheen's did it, and when Glover did it, and Penn did it, and when Sarandon did it, and when Belafonte dd it, when J Roberts did it, and when Streisand continually does it).  I think you were even miffed at the idea that those who ususally listen to the Chicks, might stop buying their albums.  Am I not correct?  Are you supporting a double standard here??

Spewing garbage is a cute way of describing Nugent expressing his opinion that he wants to kill Democratic nominees.

Funny, how in reading his spewing, I don't see anywhere where he's planning on the assasination of either nominee.  I see him ranting uncontrollably, much like Olberman does, but I don't see any seriousness connected.  You think he's actually looking towards such an act?  Really??  Kinda like stoning a certain speaker of the house, and his family??  Expressing an OPINION is the cornerstone of the 1st amendment, need I remind you.  Then again, you're on the side that has no trouble rationalizing how certain opinions should be silenced.


Who is supporting the double standard here, sirs?

That'd be you, considering the support you've given all those other names I mentioned above, and my on record criticism of Nugent's spewing.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Universe Prince on August 27, 2007, 03:47:34 AM

The difference is, Ted Nugent has been attacked for years by liberals.


I confess, I haven't the least idea how or why that is the difference.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Universe Prince on August 27, 2007, 04:20:07 AM

What they did more than anything else was insult and alienate their fans. Most of us decided we didn't want to support artists who didn't support us.


I also confess that makes no sense to me at all. I know that was the basis for the huge public outcry against the Dixie Chicks and for all the bravery of not buying any more Dixie Chicks albums, but, I simply don't understand how "we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas" becomes an insult and a sign of being against the fans. Maines even later apologized for making the comment. Yes, of course, people are perfectly free to form their own opinions of the Dixie Chicks and not buy Dixie Chicks albums. All I'm saying is I don't understand how "we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas" becomes an insult and a sign of being against the fans. That reaction just doesn't make any sense to me. If Maines had said, "F--- the fans", I could understand the reaction, but she didn't say anything remotely like that.

My only guess is that it has something to do with the pseudo-relationships that fans often feel exists between them them and celebrities they like. But then, not being a psychologist, I cannot claim to understand those pseudo-relationships either.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 27, 2007, 09:42:53 AM
I wish he had asked me first , I would have told him that this sort of tantrum doesn't harm the object of wrath nearly so much as it ricochets to cripple the career of the tantrumiser.

The difference would be that Ted Nugent would have to have a career to cripple.

He's a talentless hack. I mean, Cat Scratch Fever? Blech.

I could care less what the guy's politics are, at least the Chick's have talent. Nugent is a washed up one hit wonder (and that one "hit" is suspect).
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Henny on August 27, 2007, 09:50:15 AM
I could care less what the guy's politics are, at least the Chick's have talent. Nugent is a washed up one hit wonder (and that one "hit" is suspect).

Sigh. Being that Ted is a native and famous Michigander, I feel that I have to defend - even if I hate his politics.

He certainly had more hits that "Cat Scratch Fever." Think "Little Miss Dangerous," "Fred Bear," "Free for All," and more. And his work with Damn Yankees was great.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 27, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
Sigh. Being that Ted is a native and famous Michigander, I feel that I have to defend - even if I hate his politics.

He certainly had more hits that "Cat Scratch Fever." Think "Little Miss Dangerous," "Fred Bear," "Free for All," and more. And his work with Damn Yankees was great.

Ummm...

None of those ring a bell. :)

Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 10:02:06 AM
Brass, with all due respect, the issue here is does he have a right to spew garbage?  You apparently had no problem when the Chicks did it.....in another country.  (And when Garrafalo did it, and when the Baldwin's did it, and when the Sheen's did it, and when Glover did it, and Penn did it, and when Sarandon did it, and when Belafonte dd it, when J Roberts did it, and when Streisand continually does it).  I think you were even miffed at the idea that those who ususally listen to the Chicks, might stop buying their albums.  Am I not correct?  Are you supporting a double standard here??

Spewing garbage is a cute way of describing Nugent expressing his opinion that he wants to kill Democratic nominees.

Funny, how in reading his spewing, I don't see anywhere where he's planning on the assasination of either nominee.  I see him ranting uncontrollably, much like Olberman does, but I don't see any seriousness connected.  You think he's actually looking towards such an act?  Really??  Kinda like stoning a certain speaker of the house, and his family??  Expressing an OPINION is the cornerstone of the 1st amendment, need I remind you.  Then again, you're on the side that has no trouble rationalizing how certain opinions should be silenced.


Who is supporting the double standard here, sirs?

That'd be you, considering the support you've given all those other names I mentioned above, and my on record criticism of Nugent's spewing.


Hair-splitting till the bitter end I see.

How do you interpret this?

"Obama, he's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun,"

"Hey Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset you worthless bitch," Nugent said, brandishing his weapons.

He also went after Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), suggesting she, too, might like to "suck on my machine gun."

Just having some good-ole-fashioned free spech fun, I suppose.

Yet Natalie Maines is a brazen cowardly traitor  out to destroy America when she mildly bleats that the Dixie Chicks were "...ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."

That kooky old Ted!  What a kooky fun guy he is.  Kind of like that wacky Annie Coulter who said, "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." and silly things like "If I'm gonna say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot," and, of course, wacky old this Colmes: "You hate liberals. You despise liberals. This is unbelievable.We should execute them to make liberals scared?"
Coulter: "Right. Right!"
-- Feb. 10, 2002

What is it with right wingers wanting to kill everyone they don't like or disagree with?

Wasn't that one of things about the John Birch Society?  Weren't they in favor of killing fold they didn't like?  And the KKK?

Pro death penalty.  Pro-war.  Pro-Jesus's death.

Resorting to death threats and killing is indicative of a failure to work with reason.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 10:08:40 AM

What they did more than anything else was insult and alienate their fans. Most of us decided we didn't want to support artists who didn't support us.


I also confess that makes no sense to me at all. I know that was the basis for the huge public outcry against the Dixie Chicks and for all the bravery of not buying any more Dixie Chicks albums, but, I simply don't understand how "we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas" becomes an insult and a sign of being against the fans. Maines even later apologized for making the comment. Yes, of course, people are perfectly free to form their own opinions of the Dixie Chicks and not buy Dixie Chicks albums. All I'm saying is I don't understand how "we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas" becomes an insult and a sign of being against the fans. That reaction just doesn't make any sense to me. If Maines had said, "F--- the fans", I could understand the reaction, but she didn't say anything remotely like that.

My only guess is that it has something to do with the pseudo-relationships that fans often feel exists between them them and celebrities they like. But then, not being a psychologist, I cannot claim to understand those pseudo-relationships either.

This is an excellent point, UP and brings me to the realization of a couple of things.

First, that I have once again allowed myself to be a victim of the tried and true use of red herrings in defense of outrageous right-wing crazy types.  Rather than decry one of their own, they circle the wagons and try to make the discussion about something else.  This is a learning experience for me and I thank you for it as I have done numerous times in the past.

The other is the realization that in defending the abhorrent behaviour of one of their own, the hard core rightwingers here are not interested in doing what is right but only interested in defending their own no matter how vile their own may be.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 27, 2007, 10:10:33 AM
Brass, these are the people who would likely fully agree with General Jack D. Ripper from Doctor Strangelove, not realising the dark comedy element of the film (or just choosing to ignore it).

Out of curiosity, when does free speech become assault?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 10:12:49 AM
And his work with Damn Yankees was great.

 :-\

This is debatable as well.

I will say that there was never a group of odd ducks like that one. 

The band was formed in 1989, consisting of Tommy Shaw of Styx, Jack Blades of Night Ranger, Ted Nugent of Amboy Dukes and his own solo career, and Michael Cartellone. Presumably inspired by the musical of the same name, Nugent once also explained that he coined the name because whenever someone asked him how he and Tommy Shaw would sound playing together, he would always reply by saying they would sound like ?a bunch of damn Yankees.? With Tommy Shaw from Alabama, Jack Blades from California, Michael Cartellone from Bellevue, Nebraska and Ted Nugent from Michigan, it did seem as if the band represented all four corners of the nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Yankees_(band)
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 10:21:12 AM

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Brass, these are the people who would likely fully agree with General Jack D. Ripper from Doctor Strangelove, not realising the dark comedy element of the film (or just choosing to ignore it).
I concur with your assessment.

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Out of curiosity, when does free speech become assault?

In the context of every day life, that is something that must be looked at on a case by case instance.  If we are looking at the Ted Nugent situation, I would say that he has not so much crossed that line of every day life of telling someone to suck on this when that someone is far, far away.  Sure, he is just venting and revving the crowd (his buddies) up and big talking.

In the context of a celebrity with a talk show with some influence and the people he is talking about, Nugent has clearly crossed the line.  Most of us here, I believe, would agree that if someone threatens to kill or believes that an elected official (usually the "president" here) should be shot, then that person has crossed the line into crazyland and perhaps could have broken the law or at least may have raised the curiosity of law enforcement.

If I remember correctly, threatening the life of the "president" is against the law.  I am not so sure about threatening the life of senators or congressmen.

If there is a law against that, then, I believe, a case could be made for the idea that Nugent has broken that law.

I hope this has answered your question.

(BTW, is it hot in your neck of the woods?  I'm sick of the heat.)
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 27, 2007, 10:32:35 AM
As I understand assault, it is when you threaten to perform bodily harm on another person. Though, that person has to have some reasonable belief that the threat is of a serious nature.

That, of course, is my very non-legal definition.

And yes, I'm tired of the heat and of the drought. We have broken so many records in August it is ridiculous. I think that yesterday was our 32nd consecutive day in the 90's and we've had 15 days in the 100's this month (though the record for that is 20, set in 1952). We've broken a few single day records and came within one degree of Nashville's all time single day record of 107 (we hit 106 one day).

What really stinks is that at 10 and 11 at night, it is still in the 90's or high 80's. I think we're supposed to get some respite this weekend...maybe.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Universe Prince on August 27, 2007, 10:55:43 AM

The other is the realization that in defending the abhorrent behaviour of one of their own, the hard core rightwingers here are not interested in doing what is right but only interested in defending their own no matter how vile their own may be.


I have zero intention of defending Nugent's comments, but I have to ask again, who takes Ted Nugent seriously anyway? He's just proven himself to have have nothing of value or substance to say. I'm not saying you have to laugh at him, but I guess Nugent's comments seem to me to rate dismissal rather than outrage.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 11:17:35 AM
Who is supporting the double standard here, sirs?

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That'd be you, considering the support you've given all those other names I mentioned above, and my on record criticism of Nugent's spewing.

Hair-splitting till the bitter end I see.  How do you interpret this?  "Obama, he's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun," "Hey Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset you worthless bitch," Nugent said, brandishing his weapons.  He also went after Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), suggesting she, too, might like to "suck on my machine gun."  Just having some good-ole-fashioned free spech fun, I suppose.  That kooky old Ted!  What a kooky fun guy he is.  

YEA, precisely.  Someone excercising their 1st amendment right to be stupid  And note, I never said "fun guy".   So again I ask, you ACTUALLY believe Nugent is planning the assasination of your prescious Dems??  And yet you still support all the garbage of all those other celebrities I've listed have said in spades, including stoning to death??  And you still note how I'm not supportive of Nugent's ranting, unlike yourself of all the others + many more like them.  Thus the double standard.


Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 11:20:20 AM
The other is the realization that in defending the abhorrent behaviour of one of their own, the hard core rightwingers here are not interested in doing what is right but only interested in defending their own no matter how vile their own may be.

I have zero intention of defending Nugent's comments, but I have to ask again, who takes Ted Nugent seriously anyway? He's just proven himself to have have nothing of value or substance to say. I'm not saying you have to laugh at him, but I guess Nugent's comments seem to me to rate dismissal rather than outrage.

BINGO!!
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Henny on August 27, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
I have zero intention of defending Nugent's comments, but I have to ask again, who takes Ted Nugent seriously anyway? He's just proven himself to have have nothing of value or substance to say. I'm not saying you have to laugh at him, but I guess Nugent's comments seem to me to rate dismissal rather than outrage.

Exactly, Prince. Fine behind the guitar, but he makes an ass of himself when he opens his mouth speak. I can't imagine that anyone would take this fool seriously enough to get excited about this.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 27, 2007, 11:51:17 AM
Exactly, Prince. Fine behind the guitar, but he makes an ass of himself when he opens his mouth speak.

Hey, that actually puts him a step ahead of some people, at least he can play the guitar...

(A joke, a joke!)
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 11:52:51 AM
I have zero intention of defending Nugent's comments, but I have to ask again, who takes Ted Nugent seriously anyway? He's just proven himself to have have nothing of value or substance to say. I'm not saying you have to laugh at him, but I guess Nugent's comments seem to me to rate dismissal rather than outrage.

Exactly, Prince. Fine behind the guitar, but he makes an ass of himself when he opens his mouth speak. I can't imagine that anyone would take this fool seriously enough to get excited about this.

Yet apparently Brass thinks this is a legitimate precursor to Nugent's plans on taking out Democrat nominees.  Go figure
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 12:07:31 PM
Interesting note here, but here we are on post #50 of this thread, and Lanya still hasn't provided any clarity to what she posed on post #10       :-\
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Richpo64 on August 27, 2007, 12:37:03 PM
>>I confess, I haven't the least idea how or why that is the difference.<<

Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Richpo64 on August 27, 2007, 12:37:49 PM
>>I also confess that makes no sense to me at all.<<

I remain unsurprised.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 03:22:49 PM
Yet apparently Brass thinks this is a legitimate precursor to Nugent's plans on taking out Democrat nominees.  Go figure

So the Feds were wrong when they arrested those guys for "plotting" to blow up some buildings in Chicago, then, right?

They were goofs who couldn't get anything done but still a threat, right?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 03:32:33 PM
Yet apparently Brass thinks this is a legitimate precursor to Nugent's plans on taking out Democrat nominees.  Go figure

So the Feds were wrong when they arrested those guys for "plotting" to blow up some buildings in Chicago, then, right?

They were ACTIVELY looking to aquire the means to do such, No??  They were ACTIVELY planning such, no??  You realize you're actually helping to reinforce my point, right Brass?

Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Lanya on August 27, 2007, 03:40:49 PM
Was Nugent ACTIVELY pursuing the purchase of guns?

Wait, he already HAD GUNS?  Then arrest him, part of his plan is already complete!   
You just want to wait until he blows some politician away?  That's so pre-9/11 thinking.....
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: hnumpah on August 27, 2007, 03:43:50 PM
Hey, there you go, a pre-emptive arrest.

Just like Bush's little pre-emptive invasion of Iraq.

We can twist things around and change our stories to justify it later.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 27, 2007, 04:01:37 PM
We have evidence of Nugent making a phonecall to an arms dealer in Niger.

He also has pipes at his home. We all know that pipes can be turned into pipe bombs.

Clearly Nugent is an immediate threat to his liberal neighbors.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
Was Nugent ACTIVELY pursuing the purchase of guns?

You mean guns he already had? or guns that no evidence demonstrates he was trying to aquire (machineguns)?


Wait, he already HAD GUNS?
 

You mean he actually excercised his 2nd amendment right to have a firearm.  The bastard


Then arrest him, part of his plan is already complete!  

Oh, you have evidence of his "plot"?  Do tell  


You just want to wait until he blows some politician away? 

Naaa, I'm actually waiting until there's an ounce of credibility to the claim.  More to the point, it appears the left has a problem with anyone on the right, who dares excercise EITHER of their 1st OR 2nd amendment rights.  Imagine that.

And interesting all this energy to respond to a non direct query, not 1 ounce of energy applied to clarify an earlier position
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 27, 2007, 05:15:09 PM
I'm tired of America-haters interfering with pre-emptive arrests that are meant to protect innocent lives.

These are the enemies of freedom. Sirs, all you are doing is aiding and abetting the enemies of freedom, indeed the enemies of all that this country stands for. Worse than that, you're doing so while our troops are in harms way!

I don't know how treasonous America-haters live with themselves. It is time we start arresting people before they commit these atrocious crimes against the forces of freedom.

This is the post-9/11 world and you have to understand that our freedoms are under constant threat by those who are at war with our very way of life. We must make arrests before crimes happen. Lanya and hnumpah are spot on!

Out of the way America-hating, liberal, pinko scum. Make way for the real patriots to run this country.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Plane on August 27, 2007, 05:24:11 PM




have determined that while a male may be a fan of Teddy and not have conscious knowledge of his Brokeback prediliction, on the subconscious level his mind will pick it up, making that fan a passive if not active homosexual. 





Psychologists everywhere where it counts , beleive in gaydar?
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Plane on August 27, 2007, 05:27:06 PM
Looking back into a place 'long ago and far away,' I do believe there was a rumor about them killing puppies  at one of the rock concerts.   me thinks he does not give a rats red ass about his 'reputation,' more like he revels in it.




So he is less vunerable than the Dixie Chicks were?


I suppose you may have a good point there , the demographic that listens to Ted Nugent will not feel betrayed by this display of pique , they may reward him.



I always thought Ted Nugent killed little mammels with a bow and arrow.

Turns out he does, but he also uses an arrow to pick his teeth after he eats them raw.

You have to go a long way to find someone as despicable as Ted Nugest.


  The Dixie Chicks did not know their fans , they went to Europe and pandered to the audience but were shjocked when the core of their listership was offended in them for it.

   Ted knows his fans , I have thought about this a few days now , and have changed my mind ,Ted is going to benefit from this.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 05:46:43 PM
I'm tired of America-haters interfering with pre-emptive arrests that are meant to protect innocent lives.  These are the enemies of freedom. Sirs, all you are doing is aiding and abetting the enemies of freedom, indeed the enemies of all that this country stands for. Worse than that, you're doing so while our troops are in harms way![/b]

Yea, you try flying with that one Js.  And you'll remind us when I ever actually supported what Nugent said, right?      ::)

Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Brassmask on August 27, 2007, 06:40:46 PM
Yet apparently Brass thinks this is a legitimate precursor to Nugent's plans on taking out Democrat nominees.  Go figure

So the Feds were wrong when they arrested those guys for "plotting" to blow up some buildings in Chicago, then, right?

They were ACTIVELY looking to aquire the means to do such, No??  They were ACTIVELY planning such, no??  You realize you're actually helping to reinforce my point, right Brass?



You realize that Nugent had actual guns in his hands when he said all these things, right?  How much more active do you need?  The guys I mentioned didn't have any equipment nro any ACCESS to any kind of equipment.  Anybody can say they are planning to do something.  I am planning on renovating my house but I don't have the money for it right now and it will take years to get it.  Does that mean I should hire a contractor right now?  NO.

If you compare the two, nugent and the guys in Chicago, Nugent is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the guys.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 06:48:07 PM
And you realize that Nugent has a 2nd amendment right to own his guns.  Now, perhaps you can step in for Lanya to detail for us this supposed plan of his, in order to actually take what he's saying with even an ounce of seriousness, compared to the fellas that were actually planning their attacks.

At least if YOU want to be taken seriously
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: crocat on August 27, 2007, 07:39:48 PM
and now for the truth of the whole matter.....

why would any of us give credence to an entertainer.  For my money... and excuse my language... I would just as soon the stick to singing and shut the fuck up about things that we don't pay to hear.  I have difficulty understanding how we as the public put up with entertainers, athletic heroes and the like think that their opinion has more weight than mine. 

Our only option (as I see it) is to hit them were it hurts... stop buying their product.  Let them try and make it in the political arena if they think they are that important.

cro
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 27, 2007, 07:43:37 PM
and now for the truth of the whole matter.....why would any of us give credence to an entertainer.  Our only option (as I see it) is to hit them were it hurts... stop buying their product.  Let them try and make it in the political arena if they think they are that important.

Precisely, which was also Prince's point, and my point.  Apparently however, Brass thinks this entertainer, unlike any other who has been bashing Republican politicans & Bush, is serious in his rant.  And yet I'm still waiting from him &/or Lanya to showcase this apparent plan of his in order to actually give credence to this entertainer's rant.  It would seem it only requires one be critical of Democrats     :-\
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: yellow_crane on August 27, 2007, 09:13:07 PM

The other is the realization that in defending the abhorrent behaviour of one of their own, the hard core rightwingers here are not interested in doing what is right but only interested in defending their own no matter how vile their own may be.


I have zero intention of defending Nugent's comments, but I have to ask again, who takes Ted Nugent seriously anyway? He's just proven himself to have have nothing of value or substance to say. I'm not saying you have to laugh at him, but I guess Nugent's comments seem to me to rate dismissal rather than outrage.


If Ted Nugent was not an entertainer, or a celebrity, what would people think of his gleefully killing little mammels?

There is the bonafide psychological fact that serial killers often have a history of killing little, innocent mammels.

Nugent is beyond "hunter."  His bloody rhetoric shoves it down everybody's throat.  There are millions of hunters in America, how many of them talk in the same emotionally charged rhetoric?

His culpability cog slips a notch because of his celebrity, not his talent or his relevance pr irrelevance.

Celebrity . . . has replaced our hero image, or more accurately, has become our hero replacement.  This explains most of the prolific exonerations we bestow on those celebrities who are truly guilty.  We betray our responsibility to a meaningful modeling of law concerning human behavior.  And it must be remembered that surrounding all these celebrities and their outrages and resulting deferences are huge media bucks. 

I think a very interesting comparison could be made about the similarities of behavior of Ted Bundy and Ted Nugent.   Nugent seems to talk out loud quite strikingly like Ted talked to his victims--relishing in the fact that he could terrorize them with bloody threats.  They both get a buzz out of being, above all, cruel.

There is no serious psychologist or astute laymen observer who cannot be alarmed by Nugent's giddiness and laughter--laughter of defiance and cruel threat, not "just joking" laughter.  I see Nugent on one side of the line, and Bundy crossed over that line.  A line's difference. 

Imagine the effect on Ted Bundy watching Ted Nugent echoing his thoughts and feelings.  Would Ted feel psychological fed, acknowledged, legitimized and vindicated?  Properly functioning societies tend to edit out this behavior as too potentially harmful.  I think America crossed a line when we were introduced to "slasher" films.  Unlike all the Hitchcockian and other psychological thrillers, slasher films appealed to a whole new and different set of emotional response keys.

The fact that Bundy focused on the same type of female like the one who rejected him does not define his malady--it is simply a focus on a trigger.  It is more a fetish object than "the" cause.   Much like addiction, wherein the 'fetish' is the drug of choice, but the disease underlying is the same for all kinds of addicts, no matter their focus of substance.

There is a tendency in the public mind that sees people wearing different guises and treating them differently.  We think that avid hunters are American to the blood.  We think people who otherwise have no public clout are creepy prekillers.  The press tends to sensationalize predators, making it difficult for rational explanations; the 'media play' ($) supersedes professional accuracy.  Look at the bucks generated by Hansen on NBC, which is now cloning into expansion.  We look at the monster in the cage, while, like the first owner of Elephant Man, the media is reaping huge profits.


They tend to want to make him Lecter, when the reality is not one of rare twist, but of something quite common and defined by self-control, sanctioned and defined by legal structure of a responsible society.
One realizes the potential in any war--many soldiers snap into feral, and do things beyond the call of duty.  War brings it out of us--not the heroic fighting back, but the cruelty every army degenerates into.

One thing I do see brewing in all this:  people like Coulter, black rappers (sorry, don't know names, but the lyrics are not misreported or exaggerated), Nugent, et al,  are all getting attention and  receiving air time.  I think as a nation we are beginning to worry about the feral rhetoric and everyday safety.

It is freedom of speech coming to full circle to the theater metaphor.

Division is not always good, but sometimes it can be.  It is like a good sherrif calming a jeering crowd by reminding them that their noiseful, vengeful revelry will be held accountable by a stable and sane society.

Nugent is a litmus of the society you are a part of, and that makes him relevant.  Like you, I do not think it should be, but let's face it--like the slasher films, which must get more extreme or die, big bucks are being made of all this.  Hansen has made bucks for the NBC corporation for outing pedophiles, and the important concurring phenomenon is that America is beginning to see that pedophiles are not that rare deformity
being displayed, for a ticket, in the cage.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Richpo64 on August 27, 2007, 10:57:37 PM
>>If Ted Nugent was not an entertainer, or a celebrity, what would people think of his gleefully killing little mammels?<<

Once again the left creates it's own reality.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: Universe Prince on August 28, 2007, 05:10:32 AM

If Ted Nugent was not an entertainer, or a celebrity, what would people think of his gleefully killing little mammels?

There is the bonafide psychological fact that serial killers often have a history of killing little, innocent mammels.


I have no idea. But then, I don't know what people think of it now. Most probably most people don't think of it at all. Do you spend a lot of time thinking about it? Ever eaten raccoon meat? I hear it's good if prepared properly. Rattlesnake isn't bad, but it's kinda blah, like white chicken meat. Hunting happens a lot in this country, and I am fairly certain that the vast majority of hunters are not psychologically deranged serial killers. Most of them are probably not like Ted Nugent either.


Nugent is beyond "hunter."  His bloody rhetoric shoves it down everybody's throat.


Since when? I go months, possibly years, without hearing Ted Nugent's comments. Maybe you just need to quit paying attention to him.


Nugent is a litmus of the society you are a part of, and that makes him relevant.


I disagree. I'm sure Nugent would like to be a litmus, but his comments get press because he's extreme and makes noise. He is only a litmus if we react. If we dismiss him, rather than reacting one way or the other, then he remains irrelevant. He only becomes relevant if we make him so. And quite frankly, if, by our actions, we make every nutty celebrity into a relevant social/political commentator that is no one's fault but our own.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 28, 2007, 09:52:35 AM
I'm tired of America-haters interfering with pre-emptive arrests that are meant to protect innocent lives.  These are the enemies of freedom. Sirs, all you are doing is aiding and abetting the enemies of freedom, indeed the enemies of all that this country stands for. Worse than that, you're doing so while our troops are in harms way![/b]

Yea, you try flying with that one Js.  And you'll remind us when I ever actually supported what Nugent said, right?      ::)

We all witnessed you defending the pre-criminal.

America-hater.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 28, 2007, 11:07:02 AM
Yea, you try flying with that one Js.  And you'll remind us when I ever actually supported what Nugent said, right?      ::)

We all witnessed you defending the pre-criminal.  America-hater.

LOL.....yea right.  Defending someome's 1st amendment right to be an ass is so "America-hating"
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: hnumpah on August 28, 2007, 11:32:14 AM
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We all witnessed you defending the pre-criminal.

America-hater.

I say we lock him up indefinitely at our new secret prison, Gotchabytheballs Bay, and subject him to endless repetitions of 'Disco Duck', played at high volume.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 28, 2007, 12:11:44 PM
I say we lock him up indefinitely at our new secret prison, Gotchabytheballs Bay, and subject him to endless repetitions of 'Disco Duck', played at high volume.

You're as bad as AlQeada       :P
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: hnumpah on August 28, 2007, 01:10:20 PM
Worse, actually.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 28, 2007, 02:46:13 PM
I say we lock him up indefinitely at our new secret prison, Gotchabytheballs Bay, and subject him to endless repetitions of 'Disco Duck', played at high volume.

I agree. We cannot have these enemies of freedom simply roaming the streets using our own system against us. Look at this defending a pre-criminal by using our very own constitution!

WHy don't you just urinate on a flag, America-hater.
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 28, 2007, 02:51:52 PM
Don't quit your day job        :D
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: _JS on August 28, 2007, 02:56:26 PM
;)
Title: Re: Compare this to what happened to the Dixie Chicks
Post by: sirs on August 28, 2007, 06:52:10 PM
I especially got a chuckle out of the new term "pre-criminal".  Reminded me of the movie Minority Report      8)