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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Michael Tee on March 06, 2008, 10:31:39 PM
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<<commie bastards and Israelis somehow excuse all their actions by crying "collateral damage" as if that solves anything. The victim is still dead and whoever dropped the bomb or fired the shot had to know that a possible consequence of his action might be exactly what did happen.>>
BT, I just pasted the above para from my post to the "10 Killed in Seminary" thread. Somebody got into my post and substituted "commie bastards" for "Amerikkkans."
That's a serious breach of security. I'd appreciate it if you'd look into this and figure out how it happened. If that's possible. Till then, I'm done posting here.
Thank you to anyone who ever took the time to respond to my posts, regardless of the nature of the response. Thanks especially to those of you who irritated me the most - - I think I did some of my best writing in responding to you. To the good guys who fight the good fight - - I'd mention you by name but I wouldn't want to take the chance of leaving anyone out - - you know who you are: keep fighting. To the bad guys - - get help; seriously, YOU are what's wrong with Amerikkka. Goodbye for now.
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No breach. Was behind the curtain testing some features. Must not have undone it in time.
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Well I gotta tell you I found that disturbing. Next time set up a dummy board and test on that.
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Perhaps
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Hmmm.
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Perhaps
Looks like you succeeded in making only RW loons post on this piece of shit, BT. Keep up the good work.
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What's it matter.
We haven't had a decent exchange of thoughts since Prince and Pooch did the libertarian thread, and tat came after a long, long dry spell.
All we are now is a forum for gratuitous juvenile insults, veiled threats that barely get read. People talk past each other, they sure don't discuss issues and seek common ground.
That's why you come here, right? Not to debate, but to hurl insults or worse.
I'm pretty sure that this noble experiment of a "Tournament of Minds" has failed miserably.
We haven't grown in years, faithful members lurk, but don't participate. We are no better than our ast series of posts.
So ask yourself. Are you part of the problem? If so, what do you plan to do about it?
Because i have three choices.
1. Purge the extremes
2. Do nothing and let the board die a natural death
3. Pull the plug.
Think about it.
Everyone!
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I am part of the problem, and I apologize. I frequently let my overt conservative partisanship get in the way of so many debates. Partly because my time tends to be so limited, which limits my responses. And without time to produce quality responses, tends to cause the typical Political attack ad type of response. But that really is a poor excuse, and again, my apologies.
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I would like to see option 1.
With the current atmosphere around here, only quick one shots have a chance of being read.
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I'm a big problem.
Recently I've made satements about ignoring the people who I find reprehensable. That's what I'm going to do. I'll never be able to discuss anything with them, so I won't try. They don't exist. I wish we had the feature Yahoo used to have. Some of you may remember when you could make a member's posts simply invisible to you.
I'm going to find people who are willing to have hard hitting discussions that don't reach the level that's causing the problem.
I apologize for helping cause this problem and if I can't live up to my word, I'll leave.
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I'm trying to basically shut up and post much less. I thought that would help. (It probably has.) If there's something more I can do, please tell me.
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Good point BT. I'll climb down from my high horse and clean it up.
My apologies.
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I would like to see option 1.
With the current atmosphere around here, only quick one shots have a chance of being read.
I concur.
Even if I wind up being one of the purged extremists.
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I would like to see option 1.
With the current atmosphere around here, only quick one shots have a chance of being read.
This is really funny since you are one of the most extreme of all. I think BT should pull the plug. You Rwers are just circle jerking anymore with a rare retort from XO I notice that Michael & Lanya have cut back just as I hav. I expect tro see evn less of MT since he knows he is being edited by lunatics.
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This is really funny since you are one of the most extreme of all.
ROFLMAO
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Ironic, isn't it ;D
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I knew there was something about Ami that wasn't right, now I know what it is. ;D
He's actually one of the better people in here (and actually, there are several) about taking the time to make a coherent, persuasive, and impersonal argument. I'm surprised that Knute would feel the need to cast him as an extremist when there are some on both the left and right (and me in the middle) who probably fit that title better. BTW Ami, guess what I got today?
A Nokia N800.
Thanks for the suggestion, now if only I can figure out how to work it, and remember not to carry it in my pocket at work, where it'll be ruined by weld spatter in a matter of days.
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Thanks for the suggestion, now if only I can figure out how to work it, and remember not to carry it in my pocket at work, where it'll be ruined by weld spatter in a matter of days.
Start by upgrading the OS to OS2008 - it comes with OS2007 and the Opera browser, while OS2008 has Mozilla.
You should be able to go through the upgrade directions pretty trivially. If you have any problems, see my contact info over <=== there.
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I have to say, it pains me greatly to think of the Saloon going by the boards (no pun intended). But BT is absolutely correct in what he says. I haven't been as active as I once was because of being a lot more busy, but it is really astounding to have the exchange that UP and I had held up as an example of good debate. Frankly, while both UP and I made good points, most of it was deutero-debate and some of it was rude, arrogant and anything but civil. UP and I are capable of far better.
The problem is that we have a dichotomy. Civil debate requires certain ground rules, because political debate is, by nature, conflict and that often becomes personal. I choose to avoid religious doctrinal debate for just that reason. If we are to keep an atmosphere conducive to intelligent debate and a good social hang out in the bargain, we have to discipline ourselves. Yet there are many who consider limiting the use of foul language and personal attacks to be censorship. Some will leave if the atmosphere continues to be poisoned by the kinds of foul-mouthed rants and personal attacks that fills so many of these posts. Some will leave if we limit those. Frankly, part of me wouldn't miss most of the latter, but part of me would. I sure miss terra, even though she was often prone to flaming. I enjoy reading Brass's posts, even when he gets going full-tilt on how deluded we "Xians" are. I would even miss MT, even though his anti-American rants are damned offensive to me. We recently had a pretty good indication of how the members are willing to tolerate what would normally be considered inappropriate social behavior when the majority of us voted not to ban Rich for his comments to terra. Most of us come here for more than debate. We come here for the friends we have come to know and respect on the site. We are willing to take a certain amount of brawling because we know that none of us are perfect.
There is, however, another point. Several of us have taken leaves of absence for a breather, because sometimes this place just gets way too personal - and it brings out the worst in us. I used to slam Knute for fun. I had no substantive point to make against his arguments, because I didn't find them substantive in the first place. So I wasted a lot of psychic energy and cognitive power dreaming up really nasty insults. It was self-indulgence of the most petty kind, and I am sorry that I did it. As Rich has quite correctly pointed out, I should have just ignored him and gotten on with my cyber-life. I'm pretty sure this is true of a lot of other excellent debaters on this site. Sometimes you just indulge yourself in a flame session because the person on the other end of the network has given you some flimsy excuse. Flame ups are bound to happen in a forum like this, but given the talent and intelligence we have here, they should be few (or at least feweR) and far between.
I have in my mind the idea that perhaps we should consider having the opposite of the cesspool. There should be a forum on this site that DOES have ground rules. AMong those rules might be a prohibition on foul language and personal attacks. But there could also be an understanding that substantive debate is required. Every post need not be brilliant, but we can make points without resorting to phrases like "commie bastard" "wingnuts" "bedwetters" "baby killers" "Child murderers" and such. We should strive to rise above the Rush Limbaugh.Al Franken kind of argument, which relys heavily on stigmatizing the other side and only occasionally considers the merits of the argument.
We could, of course, do this right here. But one almost wonders if it is too late. It may be that, like an email account that is overrun with spam, we should just leave the saloon for the drunks and those of us who prefer a more refined brew should move it upstairs. I like the saloon, a lot. I am not actually making the suggestion that we start another forum (in fact, IIRC we tried that a few times and few showed up). I think there may even be some who would view such a forum as a bit too lofty for them to feel comfortable. (Not everyone on this site is blessed/cursed with the disproportionate ego I have.) So maybe that's not such a great idea. But I think we SHOULD limit posts to those which at the very least refrain from the use of foul language (and yes, you CAN make a point about those rotten liberals/commies/Americans/Christians/Muslims/Kiwanis without foul language). We should at least acknowledge that someone without the capacity to criticize an element of society in polite terms instead of resorting to silly terms like "Repugs" and "DemocRATS" - or childish ridcule of that nature really cannot claim to be intelligent or mature. We should learn to consider and acknowledge the merits of another side's arguments, even when we can't agree with them. In short, we should act like rational, intelligent adults instead of combatants and spectators at a WWF wrestling match.
I do not come here (in spite of the song lyrics I wrote several years ago) to solve the world's problems. I come here to learn, to teach where appropriate, to sharpen my cognitve and writing skills, to understand complex problems and to enjoy the companionship of people with good minds and interesting opinions. I don't want to see that end. I do want to see it move to a higher level, and I think to do so would require adherence to something like those ground rules I have suggested. But I wouldn't want to lose the atmosphere either. Yeah, it is a dichotomy.
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Start by upgrading the OS to OS2008 - it comes with OS2007 and the Opera browser, while OS2008 has Mozilla.
You should be able to go through the upgrade directions pretty trivially. If you have any problems, see my contact info over <=== there.
Thanks Ami, I'll be messing with it tomorrow trying to get to how I want it. I have a friend that is pretty handy with technology (I still use hand tools for carpentry), but if I run into anything I'll give you a shout.
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Now that was one good post Pooch, even if I'm guilty of some of it.
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Thanks Ami, I'll be messing with it tomorrow trying to get to how I want it. I have a friend that is pretty handy with technology (I still use hand tools for carpentry), but if I run into anything I'll give you a shout.
I'll be out and about, but you can call my GrandCentral number if you need. You can dig around a bit from the contact info to the left to find it.
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Now that was one good post Pooch, even if I'm guilty of some of it.
Ain't nobody throwing stones here, fatman. I'm as guilty as anyone and moreso than a lot.
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You want substantive? Honest? Open?
Pssshhhh! Been there and tried that, only to be accused of being 'dishonest', or not being 'rational' or 'sensible', or being called an outright liar. Some folks in here can't acept the fact that two people can form different opinions given the same set of facts, and have to belittle anyone who doesn't see things their way. When they start slinging the old fazoola around, my response generally depends on my mood and the kind of day I've had, and I don't apologize for not pulling any punches telling people what I think of them when they start that crap.
I'm willing have substantive, honest and open discussions with anyone in here, up to that point. One of the reasons I don't hang out in here as much as I used to, even when I'm not working my tail off, is just that - some folks just can't seem to not pass that point, and I'm damned tired of having to defend myself every time I post something.
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Some folks in here can't acept the fact that two people can form different opinions given the same set of facts, and have to belittle anyone who doesn't see things their way.
Exactly. That is the character trait that leads to bigotry, violence, and other forms of extremism. And we have that in spades in our society and in our saloon. That is an inescapable fact.
I'm willing have substantive, honest and open discussions with anyone in here, up to that point. One of the reasons I don't hang out in here as much as I used to, even when I'm not working my tail off, is just that - some folks just can't seem to not pass that point, and I'm damned tired of having to defend myself every time I post something.
Why do you have to defend yourself?
I know you WANT to defend yourself, and I am no different. But when you stop and think about it, why? I started a debate with MT a while back and he immediately started misrepresented what I was saying. I started to correct him and then I realized, what's the point? He isn't going to change his opinion. Some people will read what he writes and believe him and some won't. It's no big deal. I can spend time better debating with someone likely to offer a good exchange. Don't get me wrong, I understand your point, and I am not on a high horse. But it seems to me that we spend far too much time worrying that our honor has been hurt when somebody insults us. Sometimes it's best to simply suffer fools gladly, or at least remember that they are fools.
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Frankly, while both UP and I made good points, most of it was deutero-debate and some of it was rude, arrogant and anything but civil.
Oh yeah, bub? Well, I-
UP and I are capable of far better.
Oh.
Yeah, that is true.
I can get, er, cranky at times.
Talking here is irritating sometimes. Explain and explain and explain, and sometimes people react as if you had explained nothing and instead insulted their mothers. I guess I've done that last part too. It's life. Sometimes I just take a break from this place. Sometimes I'm here taking a break from something else.
Despite my occasional outbursts, I still like this place. Back when the naming of the forum went on, I proposed Three Dead Horses Saloon because it fit, I thought, what the forum was about. We're generally no convincing anyone, debating any topic over and over, and it's a place for adults. We're going to get testy and some folks are gonna cuss, and sometimes fights will break out. Sometimes we just need to tell people no, that's not appropriate behavior here. That sucks, but it's a reality.
I'd dislike to see this place go down. I don't discuss politics much with people in person because I've enough troubles without getting into arguments over politics. Here, I say my mind, and walk away if I have to, and I don't have to walk on eggshells when I do it. I hope that remains true.
Not saying I don't need to work on my own behavior here. I do. I really am a nice guy. Things are... not smooth, and sometimes my... emotional level spills over. It's life.
Sometimes I think some folks need to put on their long pants (and this sometimes means me) and deal with the fact that not ever conversation here is going to be academic and free of emotion and cussing. Sometimes I think some folks need to get out of the sandbox and learn to try to communicate like adults.
Most of all, we pretty much all need to do the one thing this forum should be able to help us accomplish, realize that we need to get along with people who don't agree with us whether it's a little or a lot. Sometimes that means keeping one's mouth shut (fingers still?). Sometimes it means taking a break before one reacts emotionally. There is no win between competing ideologies here. You'll never convince everyone. You'll never always be right, even if you think you are. The only real win is the sharpening of minds, and everyone has to figure out how that works for himself. Or herself.
Then again, sometimes folks just don't get along. It's life.
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Ok, I've read every post in this thread.....
Reminds me of 2001/2001/2002 threads of plenty, threads of voices heard, felt, and tossed like a salad.
Give me a break...nothing has changed and nothing will.
Why?
Human nature...bitch, whine, spew and hold contempt for...become bored, tormented, passionate self righteous, and counter attack, if not argue to the full extent of the place card.
Come on .....this saloon will never stop having a host of passion for what is felt or spoken at the grass root level. This saloon will never stop creating powerful poster thread leaders who in terms of what is worth the argue...hold supreme.
............this saloon will always have a lot to offer ----or a lot to provide....no matter the cost of the statement, no matter the truth in the moment. Thins will change, and thing will feel good /then bad.
We post in a time of poliical upheavel, in a time of personal responses to death, life and love of country.
We post because we are bored, not happy, addicted to, or just plain happy to be aboard real live people who are willing to find out more about ths sou.
We post. Period.
No rules..humans should have no rules at the heart of the essence that is humaniy.
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We post. Period.
No rules..humans should have no rules at the heart of the essence that is humaniy.
Unfortunately, that is the sort of idea which ends in violence, hatred and other evils. As an example, I think abortion is killing a child. Since killing a child is a terrible evil, I can't see any reason to compromise on the issue. In fact, I'm pretty sure I would be willing to give myy life to save a child from death. Better yet, why not prevent that death by taking the life of the person who would cause it? That's why people bomb abortion clinics.
I'm not saying anyone here is going out to strap on a backpack, but my point is that people have manners for a reason. I think it was here that someone said people in the old west had fewer fights because you never insulted a man you weren't willing to fight and you never fought a man you weren't willing to kill or be killed by. Ground rules that are held in common give a frame of reference that helps us avoid the extremes. When things get hairy, a simple reminder like "Smile when you say that, son" gives a chance to fall back on the guidelines before it gets out of hand. In a situation like political discussion, personal convictions can be very emotionally high. It is necessary to develop a thick skin, true. But it is also important to remember that however right our viewpoint may be, we are not justified in treating others like garbage. I don't think that stifles debate; I think it improves it.
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Talking here is irritating sometimes. Explain and explain and explain, and sometimes people react as if you had explained nothing and instead insulted their mothers.
HEY! You leave my mother outta this!
I guess I've done that last part too. It's life. Sometimes I just take a break from this place. Sometimes I'm here taking a break from something else.
Purty darn lyrical, there UP. Good point, too.
Despite my occasional outbursts, I still like this place. Back when the naming of the forum went on, I proposed Three Dead Horses Saloon because it fit, I thought, what the forum was about. We're generally no convincing anyone, debating any topic over and over, and it's a place for adults. We're going to get testy and some folks are gonna cuss, and sometimes fights will break out. Sometimes we just need to tell people no, that's not appropriate behavior here. That sucks, but it's a reality.
Exactly, and I'm not suggesting the place become sterile. It's just that sometimes the level of debate gets far beyond the kind of intensity that you and I just got into. I would feel a little uncomfortable having my Bishop read the thread that you and I just had, but I would never let him go near some of the stuff I have posted in debate with MT and I would claim ID theft if he read some of the stuff I've posted to Knute. I have had to learn to ignore put downs of my faith, slams on my fellow soldiers and general insults about my political views. Otherwise I would spend my whole time at the saloon engaged in flame wars. In a sense, it's good to go through some of that because it is helping to humble me a bit and temper my tendency to armor up everytime someone rubs me the wrong way. The problem with learning patience is that it requires you to already have a bit of what you are striving to obtain. The more I let my ego get the better of me and regret posts I re-read, the more mature I get. A steady diet of crow and humble pie gets to be boring. But while I have seen a lot of posters on this forum make those kinds of strides, I worry that we have lost far too many good posters who take their talents elsewhere in the process.
When we use this forum to vent, we do so to some degree with a bit of anonymity. I wouldn't know a one of you if I bumped into you on the street. I doubt that most of us would debate the same way we do here if we were in the same room, partially at least because it might end up with fists flying, but also because we tend to treat people standing in front of us like humans. Posting on a forum we get to just vent our feelings, without having to see the immediate emotional result. It's great for us, but it can really cause pain to others. If we were all in the same room, the kind of behavior we see in here would cause most of us to leave the room pretty quickly, and the ones left would be getting carted off in handcuffs not much later.
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Sometimes it's best to simply suffer fools gladly...
I don't seem to have that gene.
Why do I have to defend myself? Look at the other day - folks were discussing various president's military backgrounds, and I mentioned that even JuniorBush was in the military, when he wasn't skipping out - referring to his missing a required flight physical, and later asking for an early out. Bang, right off I'm accused of being a liar. I don't know about you, but where I come from you don't call a person a liar unless you have proof, or you're liable to end up seriously injured, or worse. But that goes on in here all the time when I, or anyone else, says something some of these folks don't agree with. I'm tired of having my honesty, integrity, intelligence and patriotism insulted by some of these folks. I admit, I get right damned testy when it happens, and I won't hesitate a second to let folks know how I feel about it, but damn, if I don't, who will? We've gone over and over this civility thing, and I'll tell you, when folks are civil and reasonable with me, I'm more than happy to return the favor. When they start slinging the shit, though, I'm more than happy to sling it right back.
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I think it was here that someone said people in the old west had fewer fights because you never insulted a man you weren't willing to fight and you never fought a man you weren't willing to kill or be killed by.
"An armed society is a polite society."
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We post. Period.
No rules..humans should have no rules at the heart of the essence that is humaniy.
Unfortunately, that is the sort of idea which ends in violence, hatred and other evils. As an example, I think abortion is killing a child. Since killing a child is a terrible evil, I can't see any reason to compromise on the issue. In fact, I'm pretty sure I would be willing to give myy life to save a child from death. Better yet, why not prevent that death by taking the life of the person who would cause it? That's why people bomb abortion clinics.
I'm not saying anyone here is going out to strap on a backpack, but my point is that people have manners for a reason. I think it was here that someone said people in the old west had fewer fights because you never insulted a man you weren't willing to fight and you never fought a man you weren't willing to kill or be killed by. Ground rules that are held in common give a frame of reference that helps us avoid the extremes. When things get hairy, a simple reminder like "Smile when you say that, son" gives a chance to fall back on the guidelines before it gets out of hand. In a situation like political discussion, personal convictions can be very emotionally high. It is necessary to develop a thick skin, true. But it is also important to remember that however right our viewpoint may be, we are not justified in treating others like garbage. I don't think that stifles debate; I think it improves it.
No Rules?? No. . . I meant to say fewer restrictions!! Retraction retraction retraction....
Of course civility and manners must be at the essence of any discussion, lest we don't give a damn at all for anyone, or anything!
I absolutely agree with you there, Pooch. It does improve debate.
I do think however that a slip into madness is going to be par for the course. IN the old west there were moments of high anxiety which led to a "quick and the dead shot" from the hip mentality.....all due to an overly heated need to get revenge or get one's way ----or get another one OUT OF THE WAY for good.
Yes,there are bound to be times when "stuff happens"...in such a case, I do believe that if a place like this has a zero tolerance set up, it's not realistic. It is going to get better if people agree to disagree..but 100% of the time?? Not reality.
I meant to say that we are human beings, with human frailties. There are times when we are going to fall off the beam ....and such statements as "An armed society is a polite society" won't be there to save the point.(which is a good quote, indeed...don't get me wrong, Ami)
But we must be able to breathe when we are confronted by scathing remarks...I experienced such a thing recently in my work place..and the first thing I wanted to do was to scream bloody murder NOT FAIR how dare you..etc, but, I did take steps back and let things roll off....and in the end polite and well mannered discussions came forth with solutions to boot.
So, there are times when we are going to do the wrong thing.....say the stupid thing....cry the wasted tears, bash the already beat up bear,.....
This board has grown tenfold times tenfold in the past few years....because people have been willing to step back, kick ass, step back and then forth with grace.... then settle into the point with a new approach . We end up shaping up and returning to the focus at hand....discussion/debate with sprinkles of pissiness if necessary.
Cynthia
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I could listen to what you have to say and develop a well thought out and well reasoned response that might cause you to pause and rethink your original thesis.
Or, I could just say, "You're wrong, fuckstick."
http://fasterthantheworld.com/blog/2007/05/arguing_for_the_sake_of_arguin.html
seemed relevant
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This is really funny since you are one of the most extreme of all.
ROFLMAO
I told you it was funny, honey.
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I told you it was funny, honey.
Doesn't your boyfriend get mad when you call other guys "honey"?
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I will miss this forum when it is gone , it has helped to write a chapter of my life. I have learned several things about interhuman communication from the people here who I presume are mostly human.
This would be a great place for a Turing test, a well composed program might be able to imitate one of us , perhaps one of us with a habit of brevity especially, ....hmmm...
Humanity has worse problems than whether or not the 3DHS forum is successfull or not , but many of our problems are descended from the same causes that make 3DHS struggle , it is hard to be tolerant of ignorance, it is hard to learn unpleasant truth , it is difficult to have epiphany, it is impossible to cause understanding where it isn't wanted. Someday we may loose a whole region of people to ire that is no more well founded than are our flame wars , so we are learning serious things in a low stakes environment.
I am pleased to have been accepted in this league , some posters I admire have been generous with me , and some otherwise have paid me the complement of considering my remarks worthy cause of great umbrage and high dudgeon
as if my opinion really mattered.
Each of us is free to define his own goals for the site , and my goals have been met. I have learned to type better , I have developed a style of writing , I have learned a lot of things about people that I wouldn't have otherwise. I didn't guess at the beginning that my logging into the PIP , the Spin Cycle , and the 3DHS would become a ten year journey through my own mind and the thoughts of so many others.
I shall be sanguine at the end of the project , tho I feel as if it could be continued , it can also die nobly haveing served so well. How did I ever presume it would be permanant? Let me thank you BT for being such a grand host for such a long party.
So do we want a revival or a funeral?
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>>So do we want a revival or a funeral? <<
It is already dead . Plane. BT turned it into a RW ingrown toenail.
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Is there some way of advertising the existence of this Forum so we may grow? I understand this maybeone of the major concerns here.
I have enjoyed my time here. As with other remarks here, it sometimes frustrates me, angers me, saddens me and enlightens me.
I contribute as life commitments allow, sometimes more, sometimes less. I postulate this is similar to most of you as well. Perhaps it is more of an ebb and flow issue and not as serious as is being presented?
It is true there are folks who have come and gone. A good friend of mine, Mr Perspective, was one. He just got too frustrated. Hey, it happens. I, too, have gotten so frustrated and, yes, pissed at folks I could spit. Recently, however, I have reached the conclusion that all you can do is present your view or relevant article and let the process flow. It has helped my blood pressure. :-)
Why not just let this Forum contine on. Perhaps we can all elevate our efforts at recruiting and so add more members and this more views, etc?
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I think that this is a good topic for discussion.
I've certainly had my moments in contributing to the downward trend. Hopefully I've added to the good discussions on occasion, as well.
I've taken a breather here and there (in fact very recently).
I think we need to do better with tolerance. All of us, left, right, middle, and anything in between or off the spectrum.
Perhaps we need to list what makes a forum succesful. I'm not sure that growth is a sign of success. It is a sign of quantitative performance, but not quality performance. I'd take quality over quantity any day.
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I told you it was funny, honey.
Doesn't your boyfriend get mad when you call other guys "honey"?
If you were a man, maybe.
Keep on feeding straight lines, moron.
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If you were a man, maybe.
Come here and give a smooch, you big teddy bear, you.
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Bt,
What if you had the main 3DHS forum here, and two separate subforums (subfora?) attached to 3DHS as well. One for right leaning folks and one for left leaning folks. People who joined one could not view the other. In fact, we might need to set up an approval system so no obvious person from the right joins the left and vice versa.
Within these subforums the individual may vent their frustrations. So Professor can post that "JS is a real jack ass" without worry. Also, extremely partisan articles could be posted, even debated, but without the intent of flaming.
It is just a thought and obviously no one would be obligated to join either one.
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One for right leaning folks and one for left leaning folks.
What about for those like me - right leaning for fiscal issues and left leaning for social / rights issues?
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Or those like me that are right leaning for social isses, and far right leaning for fiscal issues? Subunits/rooms depending on how far one leans ;)
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One for right leaning folks and one for left leaning folks.
What about for those like me - right leaning for fiscal issues and left leaning for social / rights issues?
Like I said, you don't have to join either. But I'd go with the one you'd feel more comfortable in considering your compatriots.
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Or those like me that are right leaning for social isses, and far right leaning for fiscal issues? Subunits/rooms depending on how far one leans ;)
I think we know where you'd fit. ;)
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Like I said, you don't have to join either. But I'd go with the one you'd feel more comfortable in considering your compatriots.
I feel about equally comfortable in either group.
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Bt,
What if you had the main 3DHS forum here, and two separate subforums (subfora?) attached to 3DHS as well. One for right leaning folks and one for left leaning folks. People who joined one could not view the other. In fact, we might need to set up an approval system so no obvious person from the right joins the left and vice versa.
Within these subforums the individual may vent their frustrations. So Professor can post that "JS is a real jack ass" without worry. Also, extremely partisan articles could be posted, even debated, but without the intent of flaming.
It is just a thought and obviously no one would be obligated to join either one.
Almighty Hero Member JS.....
I would be crying out, "Tear DOWN THAT wall" in a nano second.
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This is almost identical to the last Cheyne-Stokes that occurred before the Cesspool breathed it's last.
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Knute given the opportunity to contribute to the forum remains true to form and fails.
To the rest of you , your increased efforts at elevating the debate are noticed and appreciated.
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Knute given the opportunity to contribute to the forum remains true to form and fails.
To the rest of you , your increased efforts at elevating the debate are noticed and appreciated.
I am sure you are so oblivious that you dont notice, but there is no debate in here any more. It has become a rightwing masturbatorium. There are only two libs left on a regular basis and they will soon tire of your delusions.
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yeah being in a room where everybody agrees
on almost every topic would be awesome. ::)
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I am sure you are so oblivious that you dont notice, but there is no debate in here any more. It has become a rightwing masturbatorium. There are only two libs left on a regular basis and they will soon tire of your delusions.
There may be only two people who are liberal on a consistent basis, but there are more people with liberal leanings on some issues. There are probably more conservatives, but I don't see that as a bad thing, it's more people that I may have a debate with. I'd feel the same way if there were more liberals than conservatives. Generally I'm in the middle on a lot of issues. I certainly don't see this forum as a rightwing masturbatorium.
I haven't noticed you contributing anything other than random and occasional sniping. You're as bad, if not worse, than the most rabid right winger in here. I don't doubt that you are intelligent and capable of a debate if you want to, but I haven't noticed you wanting to debate. If there is no debate in here, then aren't you part of the problem and not the solution? If you want a debate, all you have to do is start one. This generally isn't done with name calling or whatever nefarious scheme you might devise.
As to the way BT runs this forum, I can only say that I have a lot of respect for him. Would I do some things differently? Probably. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback, it's probably as easy to be an armchair forum admin. I don't believe that he's paid for the time that he puts into this forum, as far as maintenance and time spent on the actual technical end of things. That he does this for free, so that we can all enjoy this place, says a lot about the person he is. That all that you can do is snipe and bitch, rather than contribute, says a lot about you too.
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One for right leaning folks and one for left leaning folks.
What about for those like me - right leaning for fiscal issues and left leaning for social / rights issues?
Like I said, you don't have to join either. But I'd go with the one you'd feel more comfortable in considering your compatriots.
This missed a major point, namely that debating others with differing viewpoits IS more beneficial than those of similar minds, IMHO.
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>You're as bad, if not worse, than the most rabid right winger in here.<
Thank you for the compliment. That is exactly what I am trying to do. Be worse than any including Rich and the only RW lunatic friend I still can tolerate.
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>You're as bad, if not worse, than the most rabid right winger in here.<
Thank you for the compliment. That is exactly what I am trying to do. Be worse than any including Rich and the only RW lunatic friend I still can tolerate.
The basic knoledge of capitolism , you get more of what you feed, less of what you starve.
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>You're as bad, if not worse, than the most rabid right winger in here.<
Thank you for the compliment. That is exactly what I am trying to do. Be worse than any including Rich and the only RW lunatic friend I still can tolerate.
Then you have no one but yourself to blame for this:
there is no debate in here any more
You know how it works. Sowing then reaping. That you choose to be part of the problem is no one's fault but yours.
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Hiya Knute!